[efloraofindia:35220] DV - 15MAY10 - 0308 :: ¿ Carissa congesta ?

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Dinesh Valke

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May 18, 2010, 12:24:03 PM5/18/10
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Dear friends,
ID please ... looks like some species of Carissa, would it be C. congesta ?



Date/Time
: May 15, 2010 at 3.08pm IST
Location Place : Veermata Jijabai Bhonsale Udyan (Nursery)

Altitude : 13 m
GPS : 18°58'38.49"N, 72°50'17.86"E

Habitat : garden
Type : ...

Plant
Habit
: shrub
Height : about 3 m
Length : - not a climber -

Leaves
Type
: simple, margin entire, slightly wavy, oppositely arranged, some single, short petioled (about 3 - 5 mm)
Shape : oval, rounded at both ends
Size : about 2 x 1.5 inches

Inflorescence
Type
: terminal corymbs
Size : do not know

Flowers
Size
: do not know
Colour : do not know
Calyx : do not know
Bracts : - no bracts -

Fruits
Type
: berry
Shape : ellipsoid, rounded ends, faintly tipped.
Size : .about 1.5 - 2 cm
Seeds : do not know


Other Info
Fragrance : do not know
Pollinator : do not know
Uses : edible.

 



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tanay bose

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May 18, 2010, 12:26:27 PM5/18/10
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yes we in bengali call it KARAMCHA use to make chutney extremely sour to taste
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Balkar Arya

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May 18, 2010, 12:42:30 PM5/18/10
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I think C carandas
Used for making Achar, known as Karonda

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Neil Soares

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May 18, 2010, 12:53:15 PM5/18/10
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Hi Dinesh,
  It is Carissa congesta var.albida. Please check the archives of this group for our previous discussion on this.
                        Regards,
                          Neil. 

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Neil Soares

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May 18, 2010, 1:02:35 PM5/18/10
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Hi,
 Just to add. It was first discovered by Fr.Santapau in the market place of a village in Purandhar. It has since been introduced in most gardens as an ornamental. Sprigs were used to adorn the hats of young women.
                          Regards,
                            Neil.


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Dinesh Valke

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May 18, 2010, 1:08:52 PM5/18/10
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Many thanks Tanay, Balkar ji and Neil ji for validating my query.

Actually had got surprised when one of my flickr contacts, posed a doubt of this plant being Carissa !!
Neil ji's ID clarified my thinking: why must wild and abundant C. congesta, be cultivated at a nursery.

Many thanks once again to all.
Regards.

mani nair

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May 18, 2010, 1:11:48 PM5/18/10
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It is called Karbanda and when it is ripe called Kaali Maina.
Thanks
Mani.

Balkar Arya

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May 18, 2010, 1:27:04 PM5/18/10
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more info on Carissa
http://www.worldagroforestrycentre.org/sea/Products/AFDbases/af/asp/SpeciesInfo.asp?SpID=18030


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Neil Soares

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May 18, 2010, 1:33:24 PM5/18/10
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Hi,
 Carissa congesta [Carvanda] is fruiting extensively in Shahapur right now. Sending a few photographs.
                        Regards,
                          Neil Soares.

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Carissa congesta, Carvanda 1.jpg
Carissa congesta, Carvanda 2.jpg
Carissa congesta, Carvanda 3.jpg
Carissa congesta, Carvanda 4.jpg

Farida Abraham

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May 18, 2010, 9:37:55 PM5/18/10
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called karaunda in hindi. Makes a delicious pickle. Also used as the 'sour' ingredient in chutneys. This is also coloured and preserved in sugar syrup and sold n the Indiam market as Glaced cherries for akes/puddings etc. FA
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Dinesh Valke

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May 18, 2010, 11:18:00 PM5/18/10
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Carissa congesta (var. albida) ... is commonly known as: Bengal currant, Christ's thorn, corinda tree, karanda • Bengali: করমচা karamcha • Gujarati: કરમર્દ kararmarda • Hindi: बलालक balalak, डिण्डिमी dindimi, करौंदा karaunda, सुषेण sushena • Kannada: ಕರೆಕಾಯಿ karekayi • Konkani: करवंद karavanda • Malayalam: കരിമുളളി karimulali • Marathi: करांदा karanda, करवंद karavanda • Oriya: sushena • Punjabi ਕੌਂਦਾ karaunda • Sanskrit: करमर्द्द karamarda, सुषेण sushena • Tamil: களாக்காய் kalakkay, பெருங்களா perungala • Telugu: కలివె kalive, ఓక oka, పెద్ద వాకకాయ pedda-vakakaya


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promila chaturvedi

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May 20, 2010, 8:20:30 AM5/20/10
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Yes, this is C. carandas-Karonda. Chatni, picle and sweet and savour vegetable is made out of this fruit.
Promila

JM Garg

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Feb 25, 2016, 2:32:50 AM2/25/16
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I think it should be Carissa carandas if we go by keys provided by Singh ji as per efi thread :

C. carandas                                                         C. spinarum
1. Lateral veins of leaf ca. 8 pairs      1. Lateral veins of leaf 3-5 pairs
2. Leaves 3.5-8 cm long                    2. Leaves 2-5 cm long
3. Leaf apex rounded, emarginate     3. Leaf apex acute or acuminate
to apiculate
4. Fruit ellipsoid, 15-25 mm long.     4. Fruit subglobose, 5-12 mm
5. Ripe fruit reddish-purple               5. Ripe fruit shining black
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Dinesh Valke

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Feb 25, 2016, 5:32:16 AM2/25/16
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Many thanks Garg ji for resurfacing my post

The post in eFI group that you have pointed, has keys provided by Gurcharan ji. He concludes by saying "Things are not very clear seeing lot of variability and confusion in literature but for me most features especially leaves and young fruit go with C. carandas".

There is lot of variability and confusion; status of C. congesta is not clear. Let us hope some one sorting this genus comes forward and puts his / her thoughts too. 

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J.M. Garg

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Feb 25, 2016, 5:52:40 AM2/25/16
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Thanks, Dinesh ji.
As per WCSP, Carissa congesta Wight, Icon. Pl. Ind. Orient. 4: t. 1289 (1848) is a syn. of Carissa spinarum L., Mant. Pl. 2: 559 (1771).
You can see a large number of synonyms for this species at WCSP link
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J.M. Garg

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Feb 25, 2016, 6:09:56 AM2/25/16
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Also pursue other threads in Carissa carandas

Dinesh Valke

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Feb 25, 2016, 6:57:55 AM2/25/16
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Many thanks Garg ji.
Will make relevant changes in my flickr notes.
Regards.
Dinesh

Neil Soares

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Feb 25, 2016, 8:04:04 AM2/25/16
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Hi,
  This is Carissa cogesta [Wight] var. albida [Sant]. Please check this link for our previous discussion on this ;


                       With regards,
                          Neil Soares.




From: Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
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J.M. Garg

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Feb 25, 2016, 11:49:00 PM2/25/16
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Hi, Neil ji,
There has been a lot of taxonomic confusions in this genus with hundreds of synonyms.

I don't find anything like Carissa congesta var. albida (in Kew Bull. 1948: 490. 1949) either in WCSP or GRIN
BSI eflora of India list so many species, which are mostly synonyms now as per WCSP link.

As per WCSP, Carissa congesta Wight, Icon. Pl. Ind. Orient. 4: t. 1289 (1848) is a syn. of Carissa spinarum L., Mant. Pl. 2: 559 (1771).

If you pursue other threads in Carissa carandas, you will certainly feel that the current post is of Carissa carandas

Neil Soares

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Feb 26, 2016, 2:29:53 AM2/26/16
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Hi Mr. Garg,
   Please check Dr. Almeida's ' Flora of Maharashtra', Vol. 3.
             Regards,
               Neil Soares.



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