[efloraofindia:35220] DV - 15MAY10 - 0308 :: ¿ Carissa congesta ?

[Dinesh Valke]

Dear friends,
ID please ... looks like some species of Carissa, would it be C. congesta ?



Date/Time : May 15, 2010 at 3.08pm IST
Location Place : Veermata Jijabai Bhonsale Udyan (Nursery)

Altitude : 13 m
GPS : 18°58'38.49"N, 72°50'17.86"E

Habitat : garden
Type : ...

Plant
Habit : shrub
Height : about 3 m
Length : - not a climber -

Leaves
Type : simple, margin entire, slightly wavy, oppositely arranged, some single, short petioled (about 3 - 5 mm)
Shape : oval, rounded at both ends
Size : about 2 x 1.5 inches

Inflorescence
Type : terminal corymbs
Size : do not know

Flowers
Size : do not know
Colour : do not know
Calyx : do not know
Bracts : - no bracts -

Fruits
Type : berry
Shape : ellipsoid, rounded ends, faintly tipped.
Size : .about 1.5 - 2 cm
Seeds : do not know

Other Info

Fragrance : do not know
Pollinator : do not know
Uses : edible.

 

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[tanay bose]

yes we in bengali call it KARAMCHA use to make chutney extremely sour to taste
Tanay

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[Balkar Arya]

I think C carandas
Used for making Achar, known as Karonda

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[Neil Soares]

Hi Dinesh,   It is Carissa congesta var.albida. Please check the archives of this group for our previous discussion on this.                         Regards,                           Neil.  --- On Tue, 5/18/10, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Neil Soares]

Hi,  Just to add. It was first discovered by Fr.Santapau in the market place of a village in Purandhar. It has since been introduced in most gardens as an ornamental. Sprigs were used to adorn the hats of young women.                           Regards,                             Neil. --- On Tue, 5/18/10, Neil Soares <drneil...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Dinesh Valke]

Many thanks Tanay, Balkar ji and Neil ji for validating my query.

Actually had got surprised when one of my flickr contacts, posed a doubt of this plant being Carissa !!
Neil ji's ID clarified my thinking: why must wild and abundant C. congesta, be cultivated at a nursery.

Many thanks once again to all.
Regards.

[mani nair]

It is called Karbanda and when it is ripe called Kaali Maina.

Thanks

Mani.

[Balkar Arya]

more info on Carissa
http://www.worldagroforestrycentre.org/sea/Products/AFDbases/af/asp/SpeciesInfo.asp?SpID=18030

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[Neil Soares]

Hi,  Carissa congesta [Carvanda] is fruiting extensively in Shahapur right now. Sending a few photographs.                         Regards,                           Neil Soares. --- On Tue, 5/18/10, Balkar Arya <balka...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Farida Abraham]

called karaunda in hindi. Makes a delicious pickle. Also used as the 'sour' ingredient in chutneys. This is also coloured and preserved in sugar syrup and sold n the Indiam market as Glaced cherries for akes/puddings etc. FA

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[Dinesh Valke]

Carissa congesta (var. albida) ... is commonly known as: Bengal currant, Christ's thorn, corinda tree, karanda • Bengali: করমচা karamcha • Gujarati: કરમર્દ kararmarda • Hindi: बलालक balalak, डिण्डिमी dindimi, करौंदा karaunda, सुषेण sushena • Kannada: ಕರೆಕಾಯಿ karekayi • Konkani: करवंद karavanda • Malayalam: കരിമുളളി karimulali • Marathi: करांदा karanda, करवंद karavanda • Oriya: sushena • Punjabi ਕੌਂਦਾ karaunda • Sanskrit: करमर्द्द karamarda, सुषेण sushena • Tamil: களாக்காய் kalakkay, பெருங்களா perungala • Telugu: కలివె kalive, ఓక oka, పెద్ద వాకకాయ pedda-vakakaya


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[promila chaturvedi]

Yes, this is C. carandas-Karonda. Chatni, picle and sweet and savour vegetable is made out of this fruit.

Promila

[JM Garg]

I think it should be Carissa carandas if we go by keys provided by Singh ji as per efi thread :

C. carandas                                                         C. spinarum

1. Lateral veins of leaf ca. 8 pairs      1. Lateral veins of leaf 3-5 pairs

2. Leaves 3.5-8 cm long                    2. Leaves 2-5 cm long

3. Leaf apex rounded, emarginate     3. Leaf apex acute or acuminate

to apiculate

4. Fruit ellipsoid, 15-25 mm long.     4. Fruit subglobose, 5-12 mm

5. Ripe fruit reddish-purple               5. Ripe fruit shining black

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[Dinesh Valke]

Many thanks Garg ji for resurfacing my post. 

The post in eFI group that you have pointed, has keys provided by Gurcharan ji. He concludes by saying "Things are not very clear seeing lot of variability and confusion in literature but for me most features especially leaves and young fruit go with C. carandas".

There is lot of variability and confusion; status of C. congesta is not clear. Let us hope some one sorting this genus comes forward and puts his / her thoughts too. 

Regards.

Dinesh

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Dinesh ji.

As per WCSP, Carissa congesta Wight, Icon. Pl. Ind. Orient. 4: t. 1289 (1848) is a syn. of Carissa spinarum L., Mant. Pl. 2: 559 (1771).

You can see a large number of synonyms for this species at WCSP link

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[J.M. Garg]

Also pursue other threads in Carissa carandas

[Dinesh Valke]

Many thanks Garg ji.

Will make relevant changes in my flickr notes.

Regards.

Dinesh

[Neil Soares]

Hi,

  This is Carissa cogesta [Wight] var. albida [Sant]. Please check this link for our previous discussion on this ;

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Carissa$20congesta$20var.$20albida$20Neil$20Soares%7Csort:relevance/indiantreepix/AOGm5bADYQY/wmuM399rzYsJ

                       With regards,

                          Neil Soares.

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Neil ji,

There has been a lot of taxonomic confusions in this genus with hundreds of synonyms.

I don't find anything like Carissa congesta var. albida (in Kew Bull. 1948: 490. 1949) either in WCSP or GRIN

BSI eflora of India list so many species, which are mostly synonyms now as per WCSP link.

As per WCSP, Carissa congesta Wight, Icon. Pl. Ind. Orient. 4: t. 1289 (1848) is a syn. of Carissa spinarum L., Mant. Pl. 2: 559 (1771).

If you pursue other threads in Carissa carandas, you will certainly feel that the current post is of Carissa carandas

[Neil Soares]

Hi Mr. Garg,

   Please check Dr. Almeida's ' Flora of Maharashtra', Vol. 3.

             Regards,

               Neil Soares.

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