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msawm...@gmail.com

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Mar 11, 2014, 7:21:46 AM3/11/14
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Dear sirs,
              I am attaching herewith a photo of climber for your id. The fruits are edible. Place of collection : Tuirial, Aizawl dist., Mizoram. Date : Unknown. Latitude : ca. 200 - 900 m.



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Mar 19, 2014, 1:36:27 AM3/19/14
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Uvariasome species in India & eFI with some keys.

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Mar 25, 2014, 12:50:58 AM3/25/14
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Uvaria- some species in India & eFI with some keys.

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Apr 26, 2014, 8:58:10 PM4/26/14
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If you think this is Uvaria, it looks somewhat similar to http://mindingthefarm.wordpress.com/tree-list-arranged-alphabetically-by-local-name/susong-kalabaw/. But, you will have to ensure the characters meet the description in the link above or in http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200008602.

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Gurcharan Singh

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Apr 4, 2021, 11:50:00 AMApr 4
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Forwarding for ID
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Gurcharan Singh

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surajit koley

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Apr 7, 2021, 9:44:59 AMApr 7
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Sorry, Sir, I am unable to identify this species, I need more details other than a picture of fruits only!
I would ask the author to consult "A revised taxonomy for Uvaria (Annonaceae) in continental Asia", CSIRO publishing.

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Apr 12, 2021, 1:55:48 AMApr 12
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Hi, Sawmliana ji,
Could you get it identified ?

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J.M. Garg

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Apr 16, 2021, 7:43:35 AMApr 16
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Apr 17, 2021, 12:12:18 PMApr 17
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Please check if it can be Uvaria concava of the "Uvaria Paper" previously mentioned,

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J.M. Garg

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Apr 22, 2021, 5:27:23 AMApr 22
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Thanks, Surajit ji.
Pl. see if you can nail it down, from the paper I have sent you.
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surajit koley

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Apr 22, 2021, 12:09:59 PMApr 22
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Sir, to my understanding, typical Uvaria concava fruit would look like the one we have in our database - https://08511630493324166816.googlegroups.com/attach/bcba2a177696c320/DSC_0248-800.jpg?part=0.2&view=1&vt=ANaJVrGkQ4adOr3feT3MsZLoO_s5KR7Ai5HSCcveleC3RRP198esRVtL_2-H4DmCS7XLvrGJrPzwdbpS905ySpCroRHtpaliAyJGXGug5ng2B3wyJiGYplI


Whereas

the fruit (monocarps) in this discussion is neither glabrous, nor have small apicules. So, I have much doubt.

Only favourable points are the orange colour of the monocarps and the "variation in floral and fruit characters" mentioned in the said 'paper'.

I will check the entire annonaceae and let you know.

Meanwhile, it would be very helpful if Swamliana ji could provide us his opinion and/or more detail.


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surajit koley

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Apr 22, 2021, 12:15:02 PMApr 22
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Please, pardon me, Sawmliana ji, for mis-spelling your name.


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surajit koley

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Apr 25, 2021, 10:03:29 AMApr 25
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The problem here is we do ot have entire leaf picture for character evaluation and other details like fruit size or view of the monocarps in different angles.

.I have two suggestions here - 
  1. Uvaria argentea Bl. var. bracteata : It is U. bracteata Roxb. of FLORA INDICA and Flora of British India. In Roxburgh's own words, "berries ..... when ripe of a rich yellow." But the type species, i.e., U. argentea var. argentea, which is restricted to peninsular Malaysia features red or purple monocarps
  2. Uvaria concava Teijsm. & Binn. : It is U. narum var. macrophylla & U. lurida of Flora of British India. monocarps green turning orange or yellow at maturity..... young stipe and monocarp with sparse indument, later subglabrous.
So, I think the species in this thread is U. concava.

Endnote : there is ample scope for mis-identification, because not much, or even adequate data is available from the submitted picture in this thread. 

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Surajit Koley

J.M. Garg

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Apr 30, 2021, 8:12:16 AMApr 30
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I think looks different from Uvaria concava as per 
ATRP
iNaturalist
GBIF

Also looks different from Uvaria argentea Bl. var. bracteata as per GBIF- specimen
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J.M. Garg

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Apr 30, 2021, 8:16:06 AMApr 30
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Can it be Uvaria hamiltonii as per GBIF - specimens onetwo and three and four ?
To me appears some possibility.
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surajit koley

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Apr 30, 2021, 11:49:15 AMApr 30
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At first, I did think that too, Sir.
Then I thought, "if this is U. hamiltonii then what is the other one at - https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/zWXWqY6TV24/m/XGFigk_f65cJ?"

Whatever little part of the leaf seen in the submitted picture, it seems to be obovate.
Can this monocarps be called having tomentose epicarp? At most, I think those are pubescence.
Is there much difference between this submitted picture and the first one at "inaturalist (they too always update those ids, like us)" - https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/960017-Uvaria-concava/browse_photos?

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