[efloraofindia:32434] DV - 14APR10 - 0138 :: ¿ Spondias acuminata ?

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Dinesh Valke

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Apr 16, 2010, 1:57:41 PM4/16/10
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Dear friends,
Could provide very scant information; the leafless tree in far distance attracted me due to its cream-coloured inflorescence.
The photos too may not provide much clues to ID; yet hoping to get some info.


Date/Time
: April 14, 2010 at 1.38pm IST
Location Place : Palghar Road (Ghat section)

Altitude : 82 m
GPS : 19°42'0.75"N, 72°49'17.99"E

Habitat : wild
Type : mixed deciduous forest

Plant
Habit
: medium sized deciduous tree
Height : 15 - 20 ft
Length : - not a climber -

Leaves
Type
: do not know
Shape : do not know
Size : do not know

Inflorescence
Type
: panicle
Size : can not guess

Flowers
Size
: can not guess
Colour : off-white
Calyx : do not know
Bracts : - no bracts -

Fruits
Type
: do not know
Shape : do not know
Size : do not know
Seeds : do not know


Other Info
Fragrance : do not know
Pollinator : do not know
Uses : do not know




Thoughts exchanged between Satish (Pardeshi) ji and me at Google Buzz put here:

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satish pardeshi - first two pic look like that of Spondias!!!

Dinesh Valke - yes !!! ... many thanks, Satish ji.

satish pardeshi - Palghar is really nice place, i have been there a few times... the estuary, the beaches, the forest on the hills along the highway, the water bodies and the wadis of the local people for growing vegetables and fruit... all is really nice.

Dinesh Valke - Satish ji ... on second thoughts ... slightly not confident about the plant being S. pinnata.
Have got few views of S. pinnata seen at Yeoor Hills and near Revdanda ...
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Spondiaspinnata&w=91314344%40N00&m=tags

The inflorescence in my earlier views, seem to be wiry and relatively longer and much more branched.

Your thoughts please.

satish pardeshi - Yes Dinesh ji
it is different from ur pics at flicr...i am pretty sure this is of Spondias species.

Dinesh Valke - Cooke's Flora of Bombay describes two species: S. mangifera ( syn. of S. pinnata ) and lesser known S. acuminata.

Key described:
Panicle 12 - 15 in. long; stone rough ................................. S. mangifera
Panicle 6 - 8 in. long; stone smooth .................................. S. acuminata

Another difference found in the descriptions:
S. mangifera:
... bark smooth, ash coloured, branches nearly horizontal;
... leaflets 3 - 5 pairs and a terminal one ...

S. acuminata:
... bark smooth, olive-grey; branches spreading in all directions from erecto-patent above to divaricate below
... leaflets 5 - 8 pairs (and a terminal one) ...

BUT the book mentions that existence of S. acuminata in Bombay Presidency is somewhat doubtful, ... Cooke had seen one imperfect specimen from the hills of Kanheri, not differing from S. mangifera !!

Satish ji, do you think this plant to be S. acuminata OR yet some other species of Spondias ?

Many thanks.

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Neil Soares

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Apr 16, 2010, 2:18:56 PM4/16/10
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Hi Dinesh,
  It looks like Moi [Llanea coromandalica] just getting ready to fruit.
                     Regards,
                       Neil. 

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Dinesh Valke

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Apr 16, 2010, 10:32:59 PM4/16/10
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But Neil ji, have always felt that the inflorecence of L. coromandelica is wiry bunch of strands ... each of them is unbranched, some of them drooping too.
Have a feeling that this plant is not L. coromandelica.

Regards.
'

Neil Soares

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Apr 16, 2010, 11:52:43 PM4/16/10
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Hi Dinesh,
  My apologies for the slip-up. I meant Kakad [Garuga pinnata]. Sending you some of my of photographs to prove my point.
                     Regards,
                       Neil.
Garuga pinnata,Kakad flowers 1.jpg
Garuga pinnata, Kakad flowers 2.jpg
Garuga pinnata, Kakad fruit 1.jpg
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Dinesh Valke

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Apr 17, 2010, 12:17:04 AM4/17/10
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Neil ji, to me does not look like G. pinnata, because here, the inflorescence stalk is pink, with buds (or flowers) of red tinted white colour, they are smaller at the end of panicles and are clinging close to the stalk ... whereas in G. pinnata the stalk is light green, the much branched pinnacle has its buds and flowers diverging from the stalks.

Regards.

Muthu Karthick

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Apr 17, 2010, 2:03:53 AM4/17/10
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Dineshji,
More possibilities for Anacardiaceae.
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Hemanth

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Apr 17, 2010, 4:15:45 AM4/17/10
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This can go with Spondias pinnata /Spondias mangifera
a close up of flowers shud confirm.

On Apr 17, 11:03 am, Muthu Karthick <nmk....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dineshji,
> More possibilities for Anacardiaceae.
>
> On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Neil ji, to me does not look like *G. pinnata*, because here, the
> > inflorescence stalk is pink, with buds (or flowers) of red tinted white
> > colour, they are smaller at the end of panicles and are clinging close to
> > the stalk ... whereas in *G. pinnata* the stalk is light green, the much
> > branched pinnacle has its buds and flowers diverging from the stalks.
>
> > Regards.
>
> > On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> >>  Hi Dinesh,
> >>   My apologies for the slip-up. I meant Kakad [Garuga pinnata]. Sending
> >> you some of my of photographs to prove my point.
> >>                      Regards,
> >>                        Neil.
>
> >> --- On *Sat, 4/17/10, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> >> From: Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32434] DV - 14APR10 - 0138 :: ¿ Spondias
> >> acuminata ?
> >> To: "Neil Soares" <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: "efloraofindia" <indian...@googlegroups.com
> >> Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 8:02 AM
>
> >> But Neil ji, have always felt that the inflorecence of *L. coromandelica*is wiry bunch of strands ... each of them is unbranched, some of them
> >> drooping too.
> >> Have a feeling that this plant is not *L. coromandelica*.
>
> >> Regards.
> >> '
>
> >> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=drneilsoa...@yahoo.com>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >>>   Hi Dinesh,
> >>>   It looks like Moi [Llanea coromandalica] just getting ready to fruit.
> >>>                      Regards,
> >>>                        Neil.
>
> >>> --- On *Fri, 4/16/10, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dinesh.va...@gmail.com>
> >>> >* wrote:
>
> >>> From: Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dinesh.va...@gmail.com>
>
> >>> Subject: [efloraofindia:32434] DV - 14APR10 - 0138 :: ¿ Spondias
> >>> acuminata ?
> >>> To: "efloraofindia" <indian...@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantreepix@googlegrou...>
> >>> satish pardeshi - first two pic look like that of *Spondias*!!!
>
> >>> Dinesh Valke - yes !!! ... many thanks, Satish ji.
>
> >>> satish pardeshi - Palghar is really nice place, i have been there a few
> >>> times... the estuary, the beaches, the forest on the hills along the
> >>> highway, the water bodies and the wadis of the local people for growing
> >>> vegetables and fruit... all is really nice.
>
> >>> Dinesh Valke - Satish ji ... on second thoughts ... slightly not
> >>> confident about the plant being *S. pinnata*.
> >>> Have got few views of *S. pinnata* seen at Yeoor Hills and near Revdanda
> >>> ...
> >>>http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Spondiaspinnata&w=91314344%40N00&m=tags
>
> >>> The inflorescence in my earlier views, seem to be wiry and relatively
> >>> longer and much more branched.
>
> >>> Your thoughts please.
>
> >>> satish pardeshi - Yes Dinesh ji
> >>> it is different from ur pics at flicr...i am pretty sure this is of *
> >>> Spondias* species.
>
> >>> Dinesh Valke - Cooke's Flora of Bombay describes two species: *S.
> >>> mangifera* ( syn. of *S. pinnata* ) and lesser known *S. acuminata*.
>
> >>> Key described:
> >>> Panicle 12 - 15 in. long; stone rough .................................
> >>> *S. mangifera*
> >>> Panicle 6 - 8 in. long; stone smooth ..................................
> >>> *S. acuminata*
>
> >>> Another difference found in the descriptions:
> >>> *S. mangifera*:
> >>> ... bark smooth, ash coloured, branches nearly horizontal;
> >>> ... leaflets 3 - 5 pairs and a terminal one ...
>
> >>> *S. acuminata*:
> >>> ... bark smooth, olive-grey; branches spreading in all directions from
> >>> erecto-patent above to divaricate below
> >>> ... leaflets 5 - 8 pairs (and a terminal one) ...
>
> >>> BUT the book mentions that existence of *S. acuminata* in Bombay
> >>> Presidency is somewhat doubtful, ... Cooke had seen one imperfect specimen
> >>> from the hills of Kanheri, not differing from *S. mangifera* !!
>
> >>> Satish ji, do you think this plant to be *S. acuminata* OR yet some
> >>> other species of *Spondias* ?
>
> >>> Many thanks.
>
> >>> x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
> >>> x x x x x x x x
>
> >>> Regards.
>
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Satish Phadke

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Apr 17, 2010, 5:55:25 AM4/17/10
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Dinesh
I recently had a chance to see the inflorescence of known planted tree Spondias pinnata at Smruti Udyan Pune. This tree is just 4 feet tall and was flowering and no leaves were present as in your picture.
Just attaching the picture to share with you all.(I hope the ID is correct)
I think I was a bit late to capture it as you can see the flowers drying ...almost dieing and a small fruit is also visible.
Dr Satish Phadke
Spondias pinnata .jpg

Dinesh Valke

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Apr 17, 2010, 6:25:04 AM4/17/10
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Hemanth, Satish (Phadke) ji,

As said earlier, not confident about the plant being S. pinnata.
You may take a look at few views of S. pinnata seen at Yeoor Hills and near Revdanda ...

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Spondiaspinnata&w=91314344%40N00&m=tags

The inflorescence in my earlier views, seem to be wiry and relatively longer and much more branched.

The plant in this post has buds (and flowers) relatively in tighter succession, and the stalk has not much branching.

Regards.

Gurcharan Singh

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May 9, 2010, 2:59:38 AM5/9/10
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Resurfacing again for ID confirmation

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Satish Phadke

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May 10, 2010, 12:08:44 PM5/10/10
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No responses (?)
Spondias genus seems to be rather uncommon.
Rashida ji Prashant ji Pravin ji and those who have seen a lot of Western ghat flora what are your opinions?and of course Neil ji if he has not yet left fot the trip of Northeast.

Neil Soares

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May 10, 2010, 2:03:51 PM5/10/10
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Hi Dr. Phadke,
  Have seen a few trees of Spondias acuminata in the Borivali N.P. and also on the Leopard trail at C.E.C., Goregaon. At Shahapur have seen only one specimen in the wild, so would agree that it is relatively uncommon.
                        Regards,
                          Neil.

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Rashida Atthar

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May 11, 2010, 10:34:54 AM5/11/10
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Dinesh ji, Satish ji,

 I would guess this to be Sterculia villosa from the slightly greenish, white, shiny bark. I have not seen S. acuminata so can't be sure.

regards,
Rashida.

Gurcharan Singh

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May 11, 2010, 12:21:19 PM5/11/10
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Rashida ji
Sterculia is confusing me Rashida ji. Did you mean to type Spondias?


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Rashida Atthar

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May 12, 2010, 1:08:10 AM5/12/10
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Sir I meant Sterculia villosa, the bark appears to be matching.

regards,
Rasihda. 

Gurcharan Singh

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May 12, 2010, 1:32:55 AM5/12/10
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Rashida ji
Sterculia appears unlikely, because in few flowers where fruits have started forming, we can see a single ovary where as in Sterculia there should be up to 5 separate ovaries. Also the flowers would be larger in Sterculia.
    The confusion earlier arose because Sterculia villosa was followed by S. acuminata, which to normal reader would imply Sterculia acuminata only. However, we were discussing Spondias acuminata so I wanted clarification because Sterculia acuminata would be much different plant Cola acuminata.

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Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
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Neil Soares

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May 12, 2010, 3:32:35 AM5/12/10
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Hi,
 A reply from my friend Amogh Ghaisas, who runs a nursery for forest trees at Rajmachi, Lonavala.
                               Regards,
                                 Neil Soares.
 

It is Garuga pinnata according to me.

 

Regards,

 

Amogh Ghaisas

                                     
                              Regards,
                                Neil Soares



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Rashida Atthar

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May 12, 2010, 4:08:26 AM5/12/10
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 Perhaps your friend is correct. G. pinnata seems quite likely,  only doubt is the partially dried inflorescence should be appearing more yellowish rather than creamish, white.  Attaching separately pics of G. pinnate taken at CEC in Feb. '10. for comparison.

regards,
Rashida.

Pardeshi S.

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May 12, 2010, 7:38:22 AM5/12/10
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Hello all
To me it is Spondia pinnata. Garuga pinnata have infloresecence more
or less globular. in this case it is pyramidal.
spondias is quiet common in Palghar area.

Regards
Satish Pardeshi

On May 12, 1:08 pm, Rashida Atthar <atthar.rash...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  Perhaps your friend is correct. G. pinnata seems quite likely,  only doubt
> is the partially dried inflorescence should be appearing more yellowish
> rather than creamish, white.  Attaching separately pics of G. pinnate taken
> at CEC in Feb. '10. for comparison.
>
> regards,
> Rashida.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >  A reply from my friend Amogh Ghaisas, who runs a nursery for forest trees
> > at Rajmachi, Lonavala.
> >                                Regards,
> >                                  Neil Soares.
>
> > It is Garuga pinnata according to me.
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Amogh Ghaisas
>
> >                               Regards,
> >                                 Neil Soares
>
> > --- On *Wed, 5/12/10, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> > From: Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:34600] DV - 14APR10 - 0138 :: ¿ Spondias
> > acuminata ?
> > To: "Rashida Atthar" <atthar.rash...@gmail.com>
> > Cc: "Satish Phadke" <drsmpha...@gmail.com>, "efloraofindia" <
> > indian...@googlegroups.com>, "Neil Soares" <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com>,
> > "Nayan Singh" <ns_dungri...@yahoo.co.in>, "Vijayasankar Raman" <
> > vijay.botan...@gmail.com>, "Muthu Karthick" <nmk....@gmail.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:02 AM
>
> > Rashida ji
> > Sterculia appears unlikely, because in few flowers where fruits have
> > started forming, we can see a single ovary where as in Sterculia there
> > should be up to 5 separate ovaries. Also the flowers would be larger in
> > Sterculia.
> >     The confusion earlier arose because Sterculia villosa was followed by
> > S. acuminata, which to normal reader would imply Sterculia acuminata only.
> > However, we were discussing Spondias acuminata so I wanted clarification
> > because Sterculia acuminata would be much different plant Cola acuminata.
>
> > --
> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> > Retired  Associate Professor
> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> > Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
> >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/>
>
> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Rashida Atthar <atthar.rash...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=atthar.rash...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> >> Sir I meant Sterculia villosa, the bark appears to be matching.
>
> >> regards,
> >> Rasihda.
>
> >> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=singh...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >>> Rashida ji
> >>> Sterculia is confusing me Rashida ji. Did you mean to type Spondias?
>
> >>> --
> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> >>> Retired  Associate Professor
> >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> >>> Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
> >>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/>
>
> >>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Rashida Atthar <
> >>> atthar.rash...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=atthar.rash...@gmail.com>
> >>> > wrote:
>
> >>>> Dinesh ji, Satish ji,
>
> >>>>  I would guess this to be Sterculia villosa from the slightly greenish,
> >>>> white, shiny bark. I have not seen S. acuminata so can't be sure.
>
> >>>> regards,
> >>>> Rashida.
>
> >>>> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Satish Phadke <drsmpha...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=drsmpha...@gmail.com>
> >>>> > wrote:
>
> >>>>> No responses (?)
> >>>>> Spondias genus seems to be rather uncommon.
> >>>>> Rashida ji Prashant ji Pravin ji and those who have seen a lot of
> >>>>> Western ghat flora what are your opinions?and of course Neil ji if he has
> >>>>> not yet left fot the trip of Northeast.
>
> >>>>> On 9 May 2010 12:29, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=singh...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> > wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Resurfacing again for ID confirmation
>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> >>>>>> Retired  Associate Professor
> >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
> >>>>>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/>
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> >>>>>> Date: Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:27 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:32434] DV - 14APR10 - 0138 :: ¿ Spondias
> >>>>>> acuminata ?
> >>>>>> To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantreepix@googlegrou...>
> >>>>>> satish pardeshi - first two pic look like that of *Spondias*!!!
>
> >>>>>> Dinesh Valke - yes !!! ... many thanks, Satish ji.
>
> >>>>>> satish pardeshi - Palghar is really nice place, i have been there a
> >>>>>> few times... the estuary, the beaches, the forest on the hills along the
> >>>>>> highway, the water bodies and the wadis of the local people for growing
> >>>>>> vegetables and fruit... all is really nice.
>
> >>>>>> Dinesh Valke - Satish ji ... on second thoughts ... slightly not
> >>>>>> confident about the plant being *S. pinnata*.
> >>>>>> Have got few views of *S. pinnata* seen at Yeoor Hills and near
> >>>>>> Revdanda ...
>
> >>>>>>http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Spondiaspinnata&w=91314344%40N00&m=tags
>
> >>>>>> The inflorescence in my earlier views, seem to be wiry and relatively
> >>>>>> longer and much more branched.
>
> >>>>>> Your thoughts please.
>
> >>>>>> satish pardeshi - Yes Dinesh ji
> >>>>>> it is different from ur pics at flicr...i am pretty sure this is of *
> >>>>>> Spondias* species.
>
> >>>>>> Dinesh Valke - Cooke's Flora of Bombay describes two species: *S.
> >>>>>> mangifera* ( syn. of *S. pinnata* ) and lesser known *S. acuminata*.
>
> >>>>>> Key described:
> >>>>>> Panicle 12 - 15 in. long; stone rough
> >>>>>> ................................. *S. mangifera*
> >>>>>> Panicle 6 - 8 in. long; stone smooth
> >>>>>> .................................. *S. acuminata*
>
> >>>>>> Another difference found in the descriptions:
> >>>>>> *S. mangifera*:
> >>>>>> ... bark smooth, ash coloured, branches nearly horizontal;
> >>>>>> ... leaflets 3 - 5 pairs and a terminal one ...
>
> >>>>>> *S. acuminata*:
> >>>>>> ... bark smooth, olive-grey; branches spreading in all directions from
> >>>>>> erecto-patent above to divaricate below
> >>>>>> ... leaflets 5 - 8 pairs (and a terminal one) ...
>
> >>>>>> BUT the book mentions that existence of *S. acuminata* in Bombay
> >>>>>> Presidency is somewhat doubtful, ... Cooke had seen one imperfect specimen
> >>>>>> from the hills of Kanheri, not differing from *S. mangifera* !!
>
> >>>>>> Satish ji, do you think this plant to be *S. acuminata* OR yet some
> >>>>>> other species of *Spondias* ?
>
> >>>>>> Many thanks.
>
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Dinesh Valke

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May 12, 2010, 9:07:27 AM5/12/10
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Dear friends, many many many thanks to all of you: Neil ji, Muthu ji, Hemanth ji, Satish Phadke ji, Gurcharan ji, Rashida ji, Amogh ji, Satish Pardeshi ji.

The difficulty with making ID is obviously because of distant (and blurred) photo.
Hopefully one of coming weekends, will visit this spot to check its phase ... again would be a distant shot ... perhaps it will help us in asserting on OR ruling out some genus.

Until then, Spondias (pinnata) seems to be the most likely candidate.

Thoughts are yet welcome.

Regards.

Gurcharan Singh

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May 30, 2010, 12:17:04 AM5/30/10
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Resurfacing again for ID

Several diverse IDs have been suggested such as Spondias pinnata, Garuga pinnata, Sterculia villosa. Most likely candidate Spondias pinnata.


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Gurcharan Singh

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Gurcharan Singh

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Dinesh Valke

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Mar 31, 2021, 10:26:44 AM3/31/21
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Many thanks Gurcharan ji for resurfacing this query.
I am believing the posted plant must be Garuga pinnata.
Many thanks to all for their thoughts; many thanks to Neil ji.
Here are the URLs to reach flickr pages for downloading original size pictures, in case it helps in validating the species ID.


Regards.
Dinesh

radha veach

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Mar 31, 2021, 12:51:21 PM3/31/21
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Dear Dinesh,
I believe these images are of Spondias pinnata. The shape of the inflorescence is more pyramidal, whereas in Garuga it is more rounded. Doesn't the shape have more affinity with Anacardiaceae to you? (Think of mango flowers!)
The other small clue is the season. Mostly in these parts Garuga flowers about a month earlier than Spondias and these images are from April.

regards
Radha

J.M. Garg

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Apr 4, 2021, 3:24:26 AM4/4/21
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Thanks, Radha ji

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Dinesh Valke

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Apr 4, 2021, 7:48:38 AM4/4/21
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Many many thanks dear Radha, for arresting my mistake. I will correct my notes.
Thank you very very much, Garg ji and Gurcharan ji, for resurfacing and following up this long pending query.
Regards.
Dinesh
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