SK112SEP21-2016:ID

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Members ,

Sharing some pictures for ID shot in Nubra Valley on 21 August 2014 at 11000 ft.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[D.S Rawat]

Malva sp. (Malvaceae).
Please compare with images in eFI.
Elevation suggest M. neglecta.
DSRawat Pantnagar

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Malva sp. (Malvaceae). Please compare with images in eFI. Elevation suggest M. neglecta. DSRawat Pantnagar

Looks different from images of M. neglecta at the following: Malvaceae Fortnight: Malva neglecta from Kashmir-GSJULY41/41 Malvaceae Fortnight:: Malva neglecta from Chakrata: NS July 07/07 Malvaceae Fortnight :: Malva neglecta :: Manali:: PKAJUL12 ::

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Chadwell ji.

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From: C CHADWELL
Date: 23 September 2016 at 23:25
Subject: Re: Fwd: SK112SEP21-2016:ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Yes, a Malva.

Dickore & Klimes list 5 species for Ladakh.  Stewart listed 4 species -

these lists do not fully tally.

Klimes records Malva pamiroalaica Bijn (not known in Stewart's day) as a weed in potato and corn fields,

in gardens, trampled 'dumps' in villages, along roads, in ditches and along irrigation channels in one part

of Ladakh but given the habitats described, presumably widespread.  Dickore

thinks this species may have previously been misidentified as M.parviflora.

Stewart records M.sylvestris (which the plant photographed by Saroj is not) as commonly

cultivated in flower gardens from the plains and as far inland as Leh, sometimes appearing to

be self-sown.  But this species is not mentioned by Dickore & Klimes.

Stewart also lists M.verticillata - an erect field weed, recorded in the 19th Century in Hunza.

Again, Dickore & Klimes  do not mention this.

My current thoughts are that this genus needs further investigation in Ladakh, so not

in a position to confirm suggested identification of M.neglecta - which has been confirmed

as occurring in Ladakh - as have M.pamiroalaica (see above), M.parviflora, M.pusilla and

M.sinensis.

Shall look into this further when I can but would welcome other thoughts/contributions to help this process. 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

http://www.shpa.org.uk/

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>; D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, 23 September 2016, 11:22
Subject: Fwd: SK112SEP21-2016:ID

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Malva sp. (Malvaceae). Please compare with images in eFI. Elevation suggest M. neglecta. DSRawat Pantnagar

Looks different from images of M. neglecta at the following: Malvaceae Fortnight: Malva neglecta from Kashmir-GSJULY41/41 Malvaceae Fortnight:: Malva neglecta from Chakrata: NS July 07/07 Malvaceae Fortnight :: Malva neglecta :: Manali:: PKAJUL12 ::

Yes, a Malva. Dickore & Klimes list 5 species for Ladakh.  Stewart listed 4 species - these lists do not fully tally. Klimes records Malva pamiroalaica Bijn (not known in Stewart's day) as a weed in potato and corn fields, in gardens, trampled 'dumps' in villages, along roads, in ditches and along irrigation channels in one part of Ladakh but given the habitats described, presumably widespread.  Dickore thinks this species may have previously been misidentified as M.parviflora. Stewart records M.sylvestris (which the plant photographed by Saroj is not) as commonly cultivated in flower gardens from the plains and as far inland as Leh, sometimes appearing to be self-sown.  But this species is not mentioned by Dickore & Klimes. Stewart also lists M.verticillata - an erect field weed, recorded in the 19th Century in Hunza. Again, Dickore & Klimes  do not mention this. My current thoughts are that this genus needs further investigation in Ladakh, so not in a position to confirm suggested identification of M.neglecta - which has been confirmed as occurring in Ladakh - as have M.pamiroalaica (see above), M.parviflora, M.pusilla and M.sinensis.

Shall look into this further when I can but would welcome other thoughts/ contributions to help this process.  Best Wishes, Chris Chadwell

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: 21 September 2016 at 18:37
Subject: SK112SEP21-2016:ID

To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

[J.M. Garg]

I tried further checking on net.

Did not find any images of M. pamiroalaica

Images of M.pusilla looked different at http://barry.fotopage.ru/gallery/index_class.php?id=16911

Appears close to images of Malva parviflora L. as per http://www.iewf.org/weedid/Malva_parviflora.htm

Also see Malva sinensis Cav. at

http://taibif.tw/zh/namecode/203690?order=solr_document_3&sort=desc

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Chadwell ji.

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From: C CHADWELL
Date: 28 September 2016 at 23:54
Subject: Re: SK112SEP21-2016:ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Thanks for additional images etc.

Have just spotted that Stewart did list M.pusilla in his catalogue but only as a doubtful species -

recorded from Karachi....

I am in agreement that the images from Nubra do not match those (or others I have seen) of M.pusilla.

The images we have do not show the flowers fully open or fruits, so that makes things harder.

It has similarities to the images of M.sinensis but I am uncertain still.

We have M.neglecta in UK.  The image I have seen of this does not match.

Do not know what M.pamirolaica is and how to distinguish from M.neglecta - they presumably must be

similar for the comment that it may have been misidentified as M.neglecta.

Still unsure.

 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

http://www.shpa.org.uk/

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>; D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>

Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2016, 8:25
Subject: Re: SK112SEP21-2016:ID

[Saroj Kasaju]

Malva pusilla Sm.  ??

http://botanicalillustrations.org/species.php?id_species=637906

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

Thanks, Chadwell ji.

To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

[Saroj Kasaju]

Malvaceae

Malva pamiroalaica Iljin – 2, 13, 18, 19, 22 [2483], 23, 27. Weed in potato and corn fields, in gardens, trampled dumpy sites in villages, along roads, in ditches and along irrigation ca- nals. Previously possibly misidentified as M. parviflora, see Stewart (1972).  ??

A contribution to the vascular plant flora of Lower Ladakh ...www.butbn.cas.cz › ladakh › pdf › Klimes_Dickore

Malva pamiroalaica Iljin 

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Yes, May be possible.

With regards,
J.M.Garg

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Tabish, 

Please check and do the needful.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:52 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Dear Members ,

Sharing some pictures for ID shot in Nubra Valley on 21 August 2014 at 11000 ft.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:07 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Malva sp. (Malvaceae). Please compare with images in eFI. Elevation suggest M. neglecta. DSRawat Pantnagar

Looks different from images of M. neglecta at the following: Malvaceae Fortnight: Malva neglecta from Kashmir-GSJULY41/41 Malvaceae Fortnight:: Malva neglecta from Chakrata: NS July 07/07 Malvaceae Fortnight :: Malva neglecta :: Manali:: PKAJUL12 ::

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With regards,
J.M.Garg

'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'

Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia. 

For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group (largest in the world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia website (with a species database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images).

The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.

Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'.

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 9:12 AM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>

Thanks, Chadwell ji.

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From: C CHADWELL

Date: 23 September 2016 at 23:25

Subject: Re: Fwd: SK112SEP21-2016:ID
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Yes, a Malva.

Dickore & Klimes list 5 species for Ladakh.  Stewart listed 4 species -

these lists do not fully tally.

Klimes records Malva pamiroalaica Bijn (not known in Stewart's day) as a weed in potato and corn fields,

in gardens, trampled 'dumps' in villages, along roads, in ditches and along irrigation channels in one part

of Ladakh but given the habitats described, presumably widespread.  Dickore

thinks this species may have previously been misidentified as M.parviflora.

Stewart records M.sylvestris (which the plant photographed by Saroj is not) as commonly

cultivated in flower gardens from the plains and as far inland as Leh, sometimes appearing to

be self-sown.  But this species is not mentioned by Dickore & Klimes.

Stewart also lists M.verticillata - an erect field weed, recorded in the 19th Century in Hunza.

Again, Dickore & Klimes  do not mention this.

My current thoughts are that this genus needs further investigation in Ladakh, so not

in a position to confirm suggested identification of M.neglecta - which has been confirmed

as occurring in Ladakh - as have M.pamiroalaica (see above), M.parviflora, M.pusilla and

M.sinensis.

Shall look into this further when I can but would welcome other thoughts/contributions to help this process. 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

http://www.shpa.org.uk/

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>; D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>

Sent: Friday, 23 September 2016, 11:22
Subject: Fwd: SK112SEP21-2016:ID

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 2:44 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>

Some earlier relevant feedback:

To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 1:10 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>

I tried further checking on net.

Did not find any images of M. pamiroalaica

Images of M.pusilla looked different at http://barry.fotopage.ru/gallery/index_class.php?id=16911

Appears close to images of Malva parviflora L. as per http://www.iewf.org/weedid/Malva_parviflora.htm

Also see Malva sinensis Cav. at

http://taibif.tw/zh/namecode/203690?order=solr_document_3&sort=desc

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:33 AM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Date: Tue, May 22, 2018 at 12:32 AM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>

Malva pusilla Sm.  ??

http://botanicalillustrations.org/species.php?id_species=637906

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Date: Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:27 PM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>

Malvaceae

Malva pamiroalaica Iljin – 2, 13, 18, 19, 22 [2483], 23, 27. Weed in potato and corn fields, in gardens, trampled dumpy sites in villages, along roads, in ditches and along irrigation ca- nals. Previously possibly misidentified as M. parviflora, see Stewart (1972).  ??

A contribution to the vascular plant flora of Lower Ladakh ...www.butbn.cas.cz › ladakh › pdf › Klimes_Dickore

Malva pamiroalaica Iljin 

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 12:32 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>

Yes, May be possible.

With regards,
J.M.Garg

[Tabish]

It does look like Malva verticillata

 See the images and herbaria here:

 http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:561971-1

 It is found in the Himalayas too. Has fascicled pinkish flowers.

  Tabish

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[Saroj Kasaju]

No Tabish, latest suggestion is Malva pamiroalaica Iljin . Please check the mail.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Tabish]

Dear Saroj,

   I did go through the mail. However, I could not find how Malva verticillata has been ruled out. All I could see is this:

 "Stewart also lists M.verticillata - an erect field weed, recorded in the 19th Century in Hunza.

Again, Dickore & Klimes  do not mention this."

  Is there something more that I missed?

  Tabish

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The waterhole of flower lovers

[Saroj Kasaju]

M. verticillata images in the net showing erect plants whereas this one is something like runner

which looks matching  with Malva pamiroalaica Iljin  and also mentioned recorded in Ladakh 

according link above .

This is my opinion!

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

I find Malva verticillata to be different as per images herein.

[Paradesi Anjaneyulu]

Sorry, Saroj Ji, I haven't experience species level with this genus,

With regards.  

On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 at 20:25, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Any idea Paradesi Ji ??

Malva pamiroalaica Iljin

Malva pamiroalaica Iljin 

Malva pamiroalaica Iljin

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Date: Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 1:55 PM
To: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>, flowers...@gmail.com <flowers...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Dear Tabish, 

Some earlier relevant feedback:

To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 1:10 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>

I tried further checking on net.

Did not find any images of M. pamiroalaica

Images of M.pusilla looked different at http://barry.fotopage.ru/gallery/index_class.php?id=16911

Appears close to images of Malva parviflora L. as per http://www.iewf.org/weedid/Malva_parviflora.htm

Also see Malva sinensis Cav. at

http://taibif.tw/zh/namecode/203690?order=solr_document_3&sort=desc

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:33 AM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com>

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From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:22 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: flowers...@gmail.com <flowers...@gmail.com>, efloraindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

It does look like Malva verticillata

 See the images and herbaria here:

 http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:561971-1

 It is found in the Himalayas too. Has fascicled pinkish flowers.

  Tabish

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www.flowersofindia.net
The waterhole of flower lovers

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Date: Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:40 PM
To: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, efloraindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, flowers...@gmail.com <flowers...@gmail.com>

No Tabish, latest suggestion is Malva pamiroalaica Iljin . Please check the mail.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:00 AM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, efloraindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, flowers...@gmail.com <flowers...@gmail.com>

Dear Saroj,

   I did go through the mail. However, I could not find how Malva verticillata has been ruled out. All I could see is this:

 "Stewart also lists M.verticillata - an erect field weed, recorded in the 19th Century in Hunza.

Again, Dickore & Klimes  do not mention this."

  Is there something more that I missed?

  Tabish

-------------------------------------------
www.flowersofindia.net
The waterhole of flower lovers

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Date: Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:13 PM
To: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, efloraindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, flowers...@gmail.com <flowers...@gmail.com>

M. verticillata images in the net showing erect plants whereas this one is something like runner

which looks matching  with Malva pamiroalaica Iljin  and also mentioned recorded in Ladakh 

according link above .

This is my opinion!

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 4:56 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>, efloraindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

[Saroj Kasaju]

Ok.

Thank you Paradesi ji.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Waiting for this post to be sorted out !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Malva pamiroalaica ?

Group discussion at

SK112SEP21-2016:ID (google.com)

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Malva pamiroalaica ?

Group discussion at

SK112SEP21-2016:ID (google.com)

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From: Saroj Kumar Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 6:37:13 PM UTC+5:30
Subject: SK112SEP21-2016:ID

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding again

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.

https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/

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[Saroj Kasaju]

ID still pending !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Malva verticillata var. rafiqii Abedin ??

https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/3407866303

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=250071354

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/281424&ved=2ahUKEwify5SIkruIAxX-dvUHHRcEEp8QFnoECCcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0TyXzZQCf3g55wle7EEahK

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju