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    Sankhadip Das <das...@gmail.com> Sep 23 04:17PM +0530 ^
     
    Bishnu Ji
     
    In Gita, Bhagawan never mentioned about veg or non-veg diet. He mentioned
    about type and class of foods such as Satwik, Rajasik and Tamasik. Meat is
    considered as rajasik food but that is needed as per the person's health.
     
    Doctors suggested Gandhiji's wife to take non-veg diet as she was very ill.
    Ultimately, Gandhiji allowed only egg.
     
    As you feel better to leave non-veg, in same manner one of my friend told me
    that he felt more energy when he starts taking non-veg. He was on veg diet
    for 5-6 years. So, the diet should be based on person's requirement, health.
     
    The diet is also influenced by region. Mainly in coastal areas fish are
    abundantly available, so it is considered as one of the main composition of
    diet. In South and North India, the availability of fresh fish is less. So,
    vegetarian diet is in common.
     
    Further, RKM gives freedom to their followers. No rules, regulation is
    slapped. They believe as people progresses in the path of spirituality, the
    surroundings, diet etc will change automatically. No force is needed.
     
    Suppose i convert to veg, and continue thinking of Chicken biriyani, Shik
    kabab, Mutton kasha etc in meditation, so what is the purpose of this veg
    diet. So, let concentrate on spiritual development, the diet will
    automatically change. As Thakur said - more you go to East, West will be far
    from you.
     
    As per your suggestion, all goat, cow etc are all creation of God. So, plant
    kingdom is. A seed sprouts, grows into trees, they reproduce by pollination,
    gives birth to fruit. So, you should leave veg diet also. As per vedanta,
    every thing comes from consciousness. Even inert material is condensed form
    of consciousness or energy. So, animal and plant only differs in expression
    of consciousness. If you are talking about sin for killing, i think one
    acquires equal sin if he kills a vegetable. Then one should think to live
    only on dry leaves or dead bodies (that to contains million bacteria).
     
    As per Gita, Atma can not be killed. So, killing goat, fish do not do any
    harm to Atma. Thakur previously felt pain to see fishes were kept in bowl of
    water, so that they could be eaten later. But later He saw that only body
    dies, nothing happens to Atma.
     
    The same Thakur who ate fish, rebuked Swami Abhedananda Ji for fishing
    activity out of fun as in that fish were allured to bait and ultimately
    killed. He told it is same as inviting guests and offering them poisoned
    food. When Abhedananda Ji replied Atma can not be killed, Thakur said if you
    feel / understand the meaning, then why you should kill fish. So, the
    purpose is to be judged. We should not kill animal for fun.
     
    Further, cow was sacrificed in yagna in vedic times. It was narrated in
    Nachiketa's story and many other hymns of Vedas. But that was only for yagna
    purpose. Later considering the benefits of cow in society it was prohibited.
    In Math we eat prasad, so there is no question of veg or non-veg as it is
    sacrificed to God.
     
    You say:"that the world would be a better place to live If all its member
    become VEG ……… GO Greeen …. One planet to survive…."
     
    I oppose it. The reason for Bharat could not resist muslim invasion due to
    lack of strength. By the influence of Budhhism and Jainism, khastriyas were
    taken Ahimsa as vow. So, it was cake walk for foreigners to loot Bharat.
    Still we are seeing the effect.
     
    Go Green does not mean to eat veg, it means convert industrialisation
    eco-friendly. Ahimsha does not contain only eating non-veg, even if you
    think ill of other, that is also equal to kill. First we should try to love
    our neighbour, at least human, even by eating meat we can love each other.
    There are many murderers who is vegetarian.
     
    My point is spirituality is beyond meat eating. One should not waste time
    whether he should go veg or non-veg. Time is fleeting. If you think non-veg
    is wrong, leave that, but do not force other to accept your view and give
    judgement that they are wrong.
     
    Regards
    Das

     

    Sankhadip Das <das...@gmail.com> Sep 23 04:47PM +0530 ^
     
    Bishnu Ji
     
    You can go through the Rig veda. There you will find some hymns where it is
    mentioned about significance of offering.
     
    But i am confirmed that in the time of Veda, people ate meat of bull, horse.
    Ashwamedh Yagna is one of the event, where horse was sacrificed.
     
    But meat eating was constricted only by offering to God. Rather priests
    guaranteed that the animal attained higher 'Yoni' of human. To replenish,
    Brahmana sacrificed their austerity and kings donated plenty amount of gold,
    cow, land etc.
     
    The issue is highly controversial, but still the truth is that Hindus are
    never pure vegetarian atleast upto the Buddhism and Jainism and Vaisnavism.
     
    Again Khastriya should eat meat. Suppose army starts eating pure satwik
    diet, it will reduce their aggressiveness, which results in defeat of
    country. As early said, that was one important reason why Bharat was
    repeatedly trampled.
     
    Again, i would like to say that the diet is only personal choice, as Tirtha
    Ji mentions.
     
    Regards
    Das

     

    Swami Purnananda <purnanan...@gmail.com> Sep 23 12:58PM +0100 ^
     
    Even the Kshatriya of ancient times was prone more to eat hunted meat in
    order to hone up archery skills etc. and for physical expenditure of
    vigorous energy (see Valmiki Ramayana & other texts). The venison was what
    we call today "free range" and therefore did not have some of the health
    implications of today's processed meat. Many years ago I witnessed some
    funny (good humored) discussions held at Belur Math amongst the Holy Sadhus.
    Bengali Brothers stated that fish was not meat and that Shri Thakur Himself
    ate fish. "Why do you not grow a beard like Him also?" came the South Indian
    retort - and so on.
     
    The fact is that meat eating is more practically to do with health. Meat is
    less digestible and therefore more liable to the production of accumulated
    toxins in the body. We here avoid mentioning the production of stress
    hormones and uric acid that will surely create stress in the eater. In the
    step by step disciplines outlined as Niyama in the Patanjali Yogasutras,
    there is the necessity for the cultivation of purity. Adding the Vedantic
    approach of revaluation rather than control, we can see how the body can be
    given a re-allocated ownership as the Lord's temple. If we do this nicely,
    concern for illness and disease becomes replaced by cleaning the Lord's
    house internally and externally. If well balanced sattwic food (as suggested
    in Gita ) is offered as yagna in the fire of digestion (the Lord as
    Vaishvanara), surely pure bodily cells will be produced as a fit instrument
    for the Lord's sacred work.
     
    Besides all this Swami Vivekananda had much to say on the subject of diet,
    diabetes, water purification etc. that is worth reading.
     
    Love & Blessings
    Purnananda
     
     
     

     

    Tirtha Mitra <mitra....@gmail.com> Sep 23 06:19PM +0530 ^
     
    Dear Bishnuji,
    Namashkar. Please do not take offense with me.
    If you are not trying to impose it, then why raise this topic atall?
    Bharatji and other devotees have discussed it at length. Please stop it here
    as it is pointless to discuss on this issue. We can never meet on this issue
    in our thought, though remaining a devotee of Holy Trio. Let the variety of
    people converge to the lotus feet of Sri Ramakrishna and let they not try to
    count holes on one another. This will destroy the variety. Let people select
    their food by nature. You are working for a company producing motor vehicles
    which is one of the largest contributor of warming. Will you stop working
    for Tata Motor just because, it is warming up the globe? Definitely not and
    we do not want you to do so. Therefore, leave us meat eaters also. Hope, now
    you will refrain and withdraw from further discussion on this issue.
    Balaram Basu was getting disturbed by mosquitoes while meditating. He was a
    vegetarian and did not kill mosquitoes. He wanted to ask Thakur about this.
    The day he visited with this question, he found that Thakur was killing bed
    bugs. He got his answer.
    Once Thakur asked Sw. Yogananda to take away a cockroach and kill it. He
    caught it and left it outside. On his return Thakur asked if he killed it.
    Thakur was angry as he did not kill it. So we see how Sri Ramakrishna
    trained his disciples. Once there was rain in Kamarpukur and all ponds were
    overflowing. A fish was playing near his feet. He told Hriday to catch it
    and leave in the pond. Hriday was upset as he missed the feast. Thakur told
    him that the fish took shelter at His feet so he should save it. You will
    find plenty of such incidents in Avataras lives. These are all rules of
    nature. Only human has a choice other do not. A tiger can not eat grass
    neither a cow can eat meat. Let the human chose their path.
    Jai Sri Ramakrishna
     
    Tirtha
     
     
     
     

     

    Radha Mangala <radham...@hotmail.com> Sep 23 11:00AM -0300 ^
     
    Jai Thakur! jai Maa!

    Dear Bishnuji

    I found in Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda (The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda
    Volume 2 [ Page : 297 ] PRACTICAL VEDANTA: PART I) . I thought that it could be useful.
    I am vegetarian too, I prefer it. I can understand your point of view, but each one has freedom to choose. The Swami Purnanandaji's explanation was so clear.
     

    For you must always remember that the one central ideal of Vedanta is this oneness. There are no two in anything, no two lives, nor even two different kinds of life for the two worlds. You will find the Vedas speaking of heavens and things like that at first; but later on, when they come to the highest ideals of their philosophy, they brush away all these things. There is but one life, one world, one existence. Everything is that One, the difference is in degree and not in kind. The Vedanta entirely denies such ideas as that animals are separate from men, and that they were made and created by God to be used for our food.
    Some people have been kind enough to start an anti - vivisection society. I asked a member, "Why do you think, my friend, that it is quite lawful to kill animals for food, and not to kill one or two for scientific experiments?" He replied, "Vivisection is most horrible, but animals have been given to us for food." Oneness includes all animals. If man's life is immortal, so also is the animal's. The difference is only in degree and not in kind. The amoeba and I are the same, the difference is only in degree; and from the standpoint of the highest life, all these differences vanish. A man may see a great deal of difference between grass and a little tree, but if you mount very high, the grass and the biggest tree will appear much the same. So, from the standpoint of the highest ideal, the lowest animal and the highest man are the same. If you believe there is a God, the animals and the highest creatures must be the same. A God who is partial to his children called men, and cruel to his children called brute beasts, is worse than a demon. I would rather die a hundred times than worship such a God. My whole life would be a fight with such a God. But there is no difference, and those who say there is, are irresponsible, heartless people who do not know. Here is a case of the word practical used in a wrong sense. I myself may not be a very strict vegetarian, but I understand the ideal. When I eat meat I know it is wrong. Even if I am bound to eat it under certain circumstances, I know it is cruel. I must not drag my ideal down to the actual and apologize for my weak conduct in this way. The ideal is not to eat flesh, not to injure any being, for all animals are my brothers. If you can think of them as your brothers, you have made a little headway towards the brotherhood of all souls, not to speak of the brotherhood of man! That is child's play. You generally find that this is not very acceptable to many, because it teaches them to give up the actual, and go higher up to the ideal. But if you bring out a theory which is reconciled with their present conduct, they regard it as entirely practical.
     
     
    May the Lord may bless all of us
     
     
    radha

     
     

    Antes de imprimir pense em sua responsabilidade e compromisso com o MEIO AMBIENTE

    O mundo não está ameaçado pelas pessoas más, e sim por aquelas que permitem a maldade. Não ouça maldades. Recusemo-nos a ouvir fofocas, calúnias e outras formas de falas negativas. Fuja das fofocas e maldades gratuitas. Precisamos de mais tolerância, respeito e humildade.
     


    The more the shades around deepen, the more the ends approach and the more one understands the true meaning of life, that it is a dream; and we begin to understand the failure of everyone to grasp it, for they only attempted to get meaning out of the meaningless. To get reality out of a dream is boyish enthusiasm. "Everything is evanescent, everything is changeful" — knowing this, the sage gives up both pleasure and pain and becomes a witness of this panorama (the universe) without attaching himself to anything. Swamiji to Mary Hale 1895



     
     
     

     
     
    Subject: [Devotees of Holy Trio:22646] VEG Vs NON VEG
    Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:27:51 +0530
    From: bishnu...@tatamotors.com
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    Dear All ,

    I like everything of Ramakrishna Mission . Except the NON-VEG eating by the monks .

    It is a fact that If more & more people become VEG , The Global warming effect can be reduced

    SO I think Ram Krishna Mission should promote Vegetarian diet .


    Regards

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    Bharat Churiwala <bchur...@msn.com> Sep 23 04:27PM +0530 ^
     
    Respected Vishnuji,
     

     
    Saadar Pranaam.
     

     
    First of all let me apologise for addressing you as Vishnuji instead of Bishnuji. As I am also from Rajsthan ( My family is strictly vegetarian!) we always pronounce V as V and not as B.
     

     
    I will narrate a small incident in this regard. I dont know the authenticity of this incident because I was not present while it happened.
     

     
    Once one close Devotee of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj (I personally believe, He was last Saint born on this earth!) asked Swamiji, "Maharajji, you always PRAISE Ramakrishna Paramhans in your pravachan, but at the same time you also strictly believe in Strict Vegetarianism! These both things are contradictory! Ramakrishna used to eat Fish! So how it can be that He was a Great Saint you call him?"
     

     
    Ramsukhdasji became very serious and then asked the Devotee, "Have you ever been to Hrishikesh? (Maharajji was in Haridwar at that time!).
     
    Devotee: Yes Maharajji.
     
    Maharajji: Have you ever seen Neelkanth Parvat in Hrishikesh?
     
    Devotee: Yes Maharajji.
     
    Maharajji: Have you ever noticed a small whole in Neelkanth Parvat?
     
    Devotee: No, Maharajji. I HAVENT NOTICED THAT WHOLE!
     
    Maharajji: WHEN YOU LOOK AT NEELKANTH PARVAT, YOU LOOK AT THE ENORMOUS HEIGHT AND SIZE OF MOUNTAIN! YOU APPRECIATE THE ENORMITY OF MOUNTAIN! YOU DONT LOOK AT THE INSIGNIFICANT SMALL WHOLE IN THAT MOUNTAIN! KHABRDAAR, NEVER TALK ABOUT THIS TOPIC IN FRONT OF ME!
     

     
    Respected Vishnuji, This topic is such a topic which is NEVER ENDING TOPIC! On the contrary, I strongly feel that PRESENT DAY DETRACTORS OF SANATAN DHARMA KEEPS ON RAISING SUCH DOUBTS IN "OUR MIND" every now and then. I remember reading in one interview given by "A very Prominent present day Leader of a political party" said, "What is wrong in my eating Meat and Fish! Even Ram and Krishna used to eat MEAT AND FISH!
     

     
    I hope, you will give a sincere thought to what I have mentioned, (not because I am saying all this as Moderator!) and REST THIS ISSUE AMICABLY.
     

     
    I very well understand your anxiety and concern and it cleary shows your DEVOTION and FAITH IN HOLY TRIO AND RAMAKRISHNA VIVEKANANDA PHILOSOPHY!
     

     
    a devotee of Devotees of Holy Trio

     

    Sankhadip Das <das...@gmail.com> Sep 23 05:01PM +0530 ^
     
    Bishnu Ji
     
    The points Bharat Ji mentioned is very true, that today's politicians,
    evangelists are using these issues deliberately to denigrate Sanatan Dharma
    as Sanatan Dharma is only concentrated on eating veg or non-veg, leaving the
    core part.
     
    When Swamiji first introduced "Shiva Gyane Jiva Seva", the other cult of
    Sannyasi of Bharat ridiculed monks of RKM as "Bhangi Sadhu (sweeper monks)".
    Now these concepts is considered as true Vedanta.
     
    So, please do not consider these issues of veg or non-veg as big as *NEELKANTH
    PARVAT.*
    *
    *
    *Regards*
    *S.Das*

     

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