> Scanned this yesterday, JC. I always hope for the SETI result,
> and it always disappoints.
> Even if it was ETI working on a black hole project for their own (its own?) benefit, always there is the simpler explanation that covers the evidence.
> neutron stars falling into the alleged AGN, active galactic nucleus to perform just as you have described.
If I had to conjecture, I would say maybe this is a natural maser. This may have two possible sources, some configuration of gas near the Sgr*A black hole or from the black hole itself.
In the first case the environment with ionizing radiation and UV photons that excite atoms, maybe there is a population inversion. Atoms in some ionized region might acts as atoms in an RF cavity and there is then a natural maser established.
The second with the black hole is the rotation of the black hole blue shifts light along the direction of rotation and red shifts them in the opposite direction. This superradiance then acts as a way to create a population inversion of atomic states nears the black hole. In this case the radiation we receive is highly redshifted as it escapes the black hole.
It is unlikely to be ETI. Life in this region, except for maybe subsurface microbes, is tough. Complex life such as anything intelligent is very unlikely.
LC
On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 11:48 AM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:
> Scanned this yesterday, JC. I always hope for the SETI result,
There is zero evidence this has anything to do with ET.
> and it always disappoints.
That's because every time a new astronomical discovery is made that cannot immediately be explained somebody ALWAYS says it must be ET. Personally, because I am unable to find a flaw in the Great Flter argument, I would be devastated if we detected ET; it would mean the civilization we received a radio message from would have almost certainly been destroyed by now, and the future of the human race is likely to be very bleak indeed. I like to think the reason we haven't detected any other civilization already is because we are the first, not because we just haven't encountered the mysterious civilization destroying phenomenon yet that every intelligent species always eventually finds itself facing.
> Even if it was ETI working on a black hole project for their own (its own?) benefit, always there is the simpler explanation that covers the evidence.
There is no known mechanism by which a Black Hole or a Neutron Star could produce radio waves and nothing else, much less highly circularly polarized radio waves.
> neutron stars falling into the alleged AGN, active galactic nucleus to perform just as you have described.
That would produce massive amounts of X-Rays and Gamma Rays as well as visible light, but there was none, only an intense burst of circularly polarized radio waves emanating from a very compact object at irregular times.
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> and it always disappoints.That's because every time a new astronomical discovery is made that cannot immediately be explained somebody ALWAYS says it must be ET. Personally, because I am unable to find a flaw in the Great Flter argument, I would be devastated if we detected ET;
> If I had to conjecture, I would say maybe this is a natural maser.
> This may have two possible sources, some configuration of gas near the Sgr*A black hole or from the black hole itself.
> If you notice, our radiation to space has decreased as we have used higher frequencies and more directed communication (like fiber optics and directional antennae) and as we compress and encrypt the radiation will look more and more thermal.
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> I don't know how you conclude an intelligent civilization would be obvious;
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> I don't know how you conclude an intelligent civilization would be obvious;Even if you make the ridiculously conservative assumption that ET will never be able to achieve speeds any faster than we can with our space probes, they could still send a Von Neumann Probe to every star in the Galaxy in less than 50,000 years, and the night sky would never look the same again. I'm not talking about perpetual motion machines or time machines or faster than light travel, a Von Neumann Probe does not need any new science, just improved engineering, the ability to place individual atoms where you want them to be.
> And you know they would do this how?
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