Consciousness research

[Brent Meeker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q78UL1gYhXI

Four researchers on consciousness who take a operational and scientific
approach and have a program to try to test theories of consciousness.

Brent

[Bruno Marchal]

It is never to late, but I guess they remain in the Aristotelian framework, which makes them impossible to take into account the elementary consequences of Mechanism in metaphysics. If you can sum up their approaches or just tell me their basic hypotheses ... In my university, it too time, but eventually there is a course on consciousness, but only the "weak problem" is allowed to be researched, which is better than nothing.

Bruno

[spudb...@aol.com]

Opinion, does this development have any real impact on the subject of whether a machine can eventually be conscious. This is a paper from Rutgers and seems to be along the lines of the topic. 

https://www.newswise.com/articles/researchers-find-human-learning-can-be-duplicated-in-solid-matter

The method seemingly can be imitated.

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[Lawrence Crowell]

Welcome back Philip. Long time since I heard from you. We really do not know for sure. Consciousness is something we experience subjectively and has some elusive nature with objectivity. 

LC

On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 1:11:24 PM UTC-5 cloud...@gmail.com wrote:

“The growing field of AI requires hardware that can host adaptive memory properties beyond what is used in today’s computers,” he added. “We find that nickel oxide insulators, which historically have been restricted to academic pursuits, might be interesting candidates to be tested in future for brain-inspired computers and robotics.” 

Consciousness is beyond what understood to be conventionally computational. It that sense, it cannot be simulated, it can only be synthesized.

[spudb...@aol.com]

My thinking is literally we need 'better' equipment to properly answer either quantum gravity or consciousness. These are surely not civilizational priorities and so the progress is limited. If CERN or RIKEN, or Fermilab cannot delve into what a proton yields, then this is where we are. Neither have we really cranked up machinery to address consciousness. We're doing better on the neuroscience thing then we have in the past, because the machinery used until then very recently is way too simple. Encephalographs + white lab coats just ain't going to produce.   For cosmology, yeah, with better telescopes we detect more granular detail. Or what's an exo-planet for? 

A deeper question on how to get there is the possibility that machine intelligence could accelerate discovery and invention? This ought to be a meta-goal for our species. Medical science and pharmacology is a sure beneficiary of AI, and thus the human body becomes a beneficiary in this fashion. 

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[Lawrence Crowell]

I doubt quantum gravitation and consciousness have much to do with each other.

LC

[John Clark]

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 6:09 AM Lawrence Crowell <goldenfield...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I doubt quantum gravitation and consciousness have much to do with each other.

I could not agree with you more! About the only thing quantum gravity and consciousness have in common is that they're both somewhat mysterious. The biggest difference between the two is that the human race has made enormous progress in understanding gravity over the centuries but precisely zero progress in understanding consciousness. My hunch for the reason for that is that there is simply nothing to understand; it's just a brute fact that consciousness is the way data feels when it is being processed intelligently. That would explain why Darwinian Evolution (random mutation plus natural selection) bothered to make something conscious in the first place, because although evolution can't see consciousness it can see intelligent behavior. That's why I'm conscious, and that's probably why you're conscious too; assuming that is that I'm not the only conscious being in the universe, and I rather doubt that I am.  

John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis

grx

[spudb...@aol.com]

Professionally from a physicist, I expect nothing more. It's all good and ok by me and it's factual. Nothing indicates the squishy warm environment of mammal and yeah, bird brains to have anything to do with a primary force of gravity. Happily conceded and no no problems with the standard, normal, view. Eventually, maybe a very long time from now, new discoveries will be made by improved instruments that will confirm, challenge, or upend the current models of the universe, and perhaps even open up new insights. That day is not today. But there is always room for improvement, in people and systems.

One such improvement in our understanding I am believing is this work by the Author, and his colleagues which at some future point have impact. 

https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691179506/lectures-on-the-infrared-structure-of-gravity-and-gauge-theory

Call it a guess, and dismiss as desired, NP.

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[spudb...@aol.com]

No, no, JC, you are. We are just grateful to be part of your solipsism. 

assuming that is that I'm not the only conscious being in the universe, and I rather doubt that I am.  

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[Alina Gutoreva]

Any serious text would benefit from silly images.

Grateful, 

Ally

P.S. Feminism is good for you.

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