Europeans are smarter than Americans

[John Clark]

I guess the Atlantic Ocean was wide enough to keep Europeans from catching the stupid disease from the highly contagious Donald Trump:

The European Union pulls ahead of the United States in Vaccinations

John K Clark

[Brent Meeker]

America has the BEST populist demagogues!  USA! USA!

Brent

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Many of the surge of the delta flavor is because of Biden opening the southern US border. These emigre's are unvaccinated because the medical systems they came from, say Honduras, El salvador, & Mexico have been slow in spending on the considerable costs of vaccinations. Epidemiologically speaking, it is not white rednecks that are in the lead as being super spreaders, but Biden's (new?) democratic party voters, which is the principal reason why these folks are being allowed in unimpeded. They carry the bug,being unvaccinated in their homelands, and are released into the US, per Joe's approval, along with the various flavors of Covid (delta, lambda,etc.) I have read most immigrants are refusing being vaxed while held by Immigration, when it is offered. They no like.

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/558250-biden-failed-to-reconcile-border-policy-with-the-science-hundreds-of

[John Clark]

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 4:16 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> Many of the surge of the delta flavor is because of Biden opening the southern US border.

BULLSHIT. There is zero evidence the Delta variant entered the USA through the southern border, it originated in India not Mexico then very quickly spread around the world. It probably first came to the USA by way of the United Kingdom.

 

> These emigre's are unvaccinated

Well, that's something white Republican rednecks and emigres from Mexico have in common. If it wasn't for white Republican rednecks the pandemic in the USA would be over by now. That is such an important point I'm going to repeat it, if it wasn't for a white Republican rednecks the pandemic in the USA would be over by now.

 

> Epidemiologically speaking, it is not white rednecks that are in the lead as being super spreaders,

BULLSHIT!  58% of white Republican rednecks not only are unvaccinated they say they will NEVER get vaccinated under any circumstances. Yet more evidence, as if more evidence was needed, that the Republican party is not only the fascist party it is also the stupid party. And Donald Trump and the brainless zombie hordes he inspired is the reason that 485 Americans died unnecessarily yesterday alone of a disease that now can be easily prevented. And this is just the summer, it's the slow time for the virus, it won't switch over into high gear until late fall like it did last year. Oh well, at least by slicing off the trailing edge of the IQ bell curve the nation's average intelligence will increase.  

 

Unvaccinated Americans Whiter, More Republican Than Vaccinated

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[spudb...@aol.com]

No bullshit. This is how pandemics dance across the world. Unless you wish to refute your buds at the Washington Post? Now this is lambda and gamma along with delta. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/28/colombia-variant-coronavirus-florida/

"Migoya told the news station that he speculated B.1.621 is rising in South Florida because of international travel between Colombia and Miami, which serves as a gateway to Latin America."

British, South Africans, and Indians are world travellers, and the US is not always the destination

So we have a true mismatch between ideology and epidemiology. People are getting in to te US unvaccinated. Most people wish to be vaccinated. These people are leery of this. Perhaps Biden can do a trade off? You get the Pfizer dose and I look the other way? (wink wink).

On the other hand John, one of your media Axios reported this 2 weeks ago. Meaning that as Joe releases these people into the community, infection rates have climbed again. 

https://www.axios.com/ice-immigrants-covid-vaccine-ee9406fe-7d83-4dce-b5be-c158e0d39f81.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

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[John Clark]

On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 1:57 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> No bullshit.

This is how pandemics dance across the world. Unless you wish to refute your buds at the Washington Post? Now this is lambda and gamma along with delta. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/28/colombia-variant-coronavirus-florida/

"Migoya told the news station that he speculated B.1.621 is rising in South Florida because of international travel 

You said and I quote  "Many of the surge of the delta flavor is because of Biden opening the southern US border", and that my dear potato boy is pure unadulterated BULLSHIT because the Delta variant is NOT B.1.621. And where do you think all these newly mutated viruses ultimately come from? They come from unvaccinated Republican assholes who are so dumb not only do they refuse to be vaccinated they won't even wear a mask when they go out in public. 485 of those assholes died yesterday and I am certain a similar number of assholes will die today and tomorrow. The record number of deaths was 4,464 on January 12 but they were not assholes because that was before the vaccine was available, but Trump's Republicans may be able to beat that record depending on just how bad the Delta variant, or some other newly mutated variation, turns out to be

 > People are getting in to te US unvaccinated. 

A drop in the bucket compared to the hordes of brainless Republican rednecks who were born in the USA and are unvaccinated and insist they will stay that way.  The USA is a world virus hotspot thanks to Trump, it's far far far too late to worry about infected people traveling to the USA from other countries, instead other countries should worry about infected people coming to them from the USA.   And I will repeat yet again what I said before, if the goddamn Republicans had just gotten a goddamn vaccination shot we wouldn't even be having this conversation because THE PANDEMIC WOULD BE OVER BY NOW!

 

> Most people wish to be vaccinated.

 

Trump's brainless zombie hordes do not wish to be vaccinated because they're terrified of Bill Gates's mythical microchip in the shot and believe that they have a God-given right to turn their bodies into breeding factories that churn out mutated viruses if they wish to and insist on going about in society reely without wearing a mask; and if they receive a word of criticism for doing all of this they start whining about being unjustly made social pariahs. Immigrants from Mexico at least have a excuse, they simply had no way of of getting vaccinated, but if Trump's Republicans wanted to get vaccinated all they'd have to do is walk to the corner drugstore and get one for free, but they do not do so because they are STUPID.  

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[Lawrence Crowell]

This is a standard tactic political extremists use; find somebody to blame for any problem. I do not think people coming from Mexico to the US are a big contributor to Covid, or the delta variant. I have not seen any evidence of that. If every US citizen had gotten vaccinated this would not be much of a problem. 

LC

[spudb...@aol.com]

The closest thing to a medical science article on this has been The Lancet, or British based physician mag of ancient age, and this article covered migrants from North Africa and Western Asia.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00124-1/fulltext

For the US there have been reports of entry by migrants seeking work, and encouraged to migrate, that have not been vaccinated, to a enormous majority. The Biden admiration by one news item offered the Mexican government vaccines to inoculate their population. This was a few months ago. Using sketchy sources, Paul Craig Roberts linking to the RT, it has been reported there that the Mexican government rejects inoculation's of Mexican children. 

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2021/07/31/mexico-rejects-big-pharma-pressure-to-vaccinate-children/

Here is a Vox article, (never Trump-friendly) that seems to offer a fairly balanced view of what the writer had learned. 
https://www.vox.com/2021/7/14/22573814/vaccine-detention-immigration-ice-covid

My conclusion is, unlike John's ideological assertions, we encounter a burgeoning infection event with the Biden presidency embracing open borders. My assertion is that this is a very bad time to even consider this. Secondly, his claim that it's all redneck pickup truck drivers that refuse vaxing is not true. Living out here is flyover country, there were fairly long waits last spring, especially for the 2nd shot. These people seem to value their health as much as anyone else. My only angst has been shots given to the young with adverse side effects including death and paralysis. On the validity of these claims, I have no special understanding or insight, merely, that it does trouble me, big league. Great psychological warfare if these claims are not true. 

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[Lawrence Crowell]

This is pure scapegoating. People from outside the US have just as much probability of having covid and its variants as Americans. 

LC

[John Clark]

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 7:21 PM Lawrence Crowell <goldenfield...@gmail.com> wrote:

>This is pure scapegoating. People from outside the US have just as much probability of having covid and its variants as Americans. 

Yes, and that's putting it mildly. Mr. Spudboy100 has done what every fascist has done over the centuries, blame all of a civilization's problems on foreigners. And thanks to Donald Trump and his native born GOP hillbilly followers, the USA is the OPEC of COVID-19, as far as that quantity is concerned we export, we don't import.

[spudb...@aol.com]

Nada, El Professor! I am punching back in an epidemiological manner and I am doing what you Progressives call, "whataboudism," This used to be called "Compare and Contrast," back in the days when educators educated and were lighter on indoctrination, as in lighter, but we both know that indoctrination was always there! George Washington was perfect, the signers of the Constitution were simply wonderful, etc. 

On Scapegoating's, please note that the avenues of Infection are wide open now as our borders are currently. That, these avenues have led from say, India and South Africa, to the rest of the world, likely via people who had the virus (IT engineers going to lands where local IT folks are quite scare) and mayhaps carrying the Virus (D)  but having been injected locally with the Astra-Zeneca formula, which prevent them from getting sick or dying but does make them Carriers. The locals, almost all who are unvaccinated because zero medical care, because on the food chain of Latin countries they have no medical care,* thus come to the USA as unintentional spreaders.

This goes to John's accusations of the Trumpies as slothful, crackers, who want jesus to save them from The Covid. In actual fact, my dear doctor, the majority of Vaccine-averse people are Blacks and Latinos who are naturally suspicious that Cracker's trying to kill them. 

*On the progressive desire for a one world government, the natural way forward would be for your team to provide free health care to everyone on the planet, enhanced, by the prospect of burgeoning AI for all medical care. Otherwise there's zero incentive for this.

Stay well.

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[spudb...@aol.com]

John, should the Romans have not blamed the Germanic invaders for their problems, and do know that every history professor I ever met with who taught world history acknowledged that Rome was pushed over, didn't Fall. Should we embrace the Turk takeover of the Byzantines? How did becoming part of the most fanatical religion on earth help matters???  One the open borders I am caviling against your accusations that its the white Jesus people refusing vaccinations against Covid, while you deliberately ignore the mass infections coming from South of the Border where there is no Medical Care for the Campasino's. People from all over the world have Jet Travelled in the last 6 month to and from, Latin America, Thus, spreading Variant D.

What about The Crackers here??? My my response is to say, Yeah, they are a feature, but the greatest resistance to Vaccination are American Blacks & Latinos fearing of a White government trying to Kill Them, secretly. That's the Majority of Resisters. Not dumb Whites!

Your Oligarchy -Yours, is now made up of Whites sitting on the Board of Directors of woke corporation who yeah, fund BLM + Antifa. 

Your Oligarch is the closest thing Economically to Nazi Germany with your Crony Capitalists giving Campaign Donation$ to Your DNC. 

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[John Clark]

On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 3:49 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> On Scapegoating's, please note that the avenues of Infection are wide open now as our borders are currently.

Speaking of scapegoating, the epidemic in Florida is so bad that if it was a separate country Republican politicians would certainly be screaming that we need to ban all travel from that filthy country and build a wall around it, but it is not a separate country so the Republican governor of Florida is trying to blame the epidemic in his state on Mexico, a country that Florida shares no border with and is a 1000 miles away. You act as if the USA is a squeaky clean country that needs protection from filthy foreigners, especially mexicans; but the truth is Mexico's COVID-19 problem HAS NEVER BEEN ANYWHERE NEAR AS SEVERE A PROBLEM AS THE USA HAS WITH IT. Mexico needs protection from filthy Americans, not the other way around.  

 

> This goes to John's accusations of the Trumpies as slothful, crackers, who want jesus to save them from The Covid. In actual fact, my dear doctor, the majority of Vaccine-averse people are Blacks and Latinos who are naturally suspicious that Cracker's trying to kill them. 

Nope. Among Blacks 23% oppose vaccination but that percentage is trending downward. Among Hispanics 17% oppose vaccination and that percentage is also trending downward. But among Republicans 28% strongly oppose vaccination invalid and vow they will never get the shot, an additional 12% say they have not been vaccinated but might someday, and unlike blacks and Hispanics that idiocy quotient has been holding steady. And 46% of Republican congressman have not been vaccinated or refused to admit that they have been vaccinated for fear of offending the idiotic Republican voters that gave them such a cushy job. Vaccine opposition is highest in Idaho, Mississippi and Oklahoma, they all voted strongly for Trump in 2020. Vaccine opposition is lowest in Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and New York, and they all voted strongly for Biden in 2020,

Meanwhile, yesterday alone 657 Americans died of stupidity, 

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Remember action is what counts and for whatever reason, despite how much you want this, it's not really the hill jacks who are avoiding the shots, it's your co-ideologists. Democrats moving  border crossers to other states to gain eventually the hopes of a democrat majority is what Biden is now doing. I could respond to a poll and say yes or no, but it's what I do that matters. Avoiding a shot may simply be avoiding something that makes a person uneasy. We did need travel bans from China, which your team called racist. For me, I would keep the border crossing low because I want the US to survive and thrive. If you don't care that is ok. Your needs are different in content from mine, to say the least. 

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[Philip Benjamin]

[Philip Benjamin]

Two items for the Marxist-Socialist- Fascist anarchists and alarmists need attention in this “scientific” forum.

1.  https://pqed.org/2016/11/psa-yelling-is-not-argument-insults-are-html ....  Silencing all oppositions through yelling, labeling, name-calling (“white trash” , “gibberish”, “mental illness”, “idiot” etc.) are symptoms of pagan, kundalini (reptilian, serpentine) un-awakened minds. Post-modern scientists, politicians, psychiatrists and psychologists are necessarily prone to such mental illnesses more than the average John & Jane Doe’s in the street!! .

 

2. Not unrelated to the item above is the IPCC inspired Marxist-anarchist “rumors” on man-made “climate catastrophes”. See          https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/island-nations-at-risk-of-climate-extinction-urge-action-to-save-our-very-future/ ;    http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/what-is-the-global-volume-of-land-ice-and-how-is-it-changing/

Ice melts to reduce its volume (by about 9%). Only 1/8- th of an iceberg is above the surface of the sea. “Deep ocean warming” and “ice melts” will  only RDUCE sea levels!!

   Land ice ( glaciers and ice sheets) contains the majority of the world’s fresh water and covers about 10 percent of the world’s land area. Every continent except Australia has some land ice. Greenland and Antarctica have the largest quantities. https://www.mvorganizing.org/when-ice-melts-its-volume-is/ However, the Arctic regularly reach 7°C–13°C, and occasionally as much as 20°C during Summer. How can a rise of 1.5 degrees Celsius cause a catastrophe? The Antarctica region is much colder. Green House Effect is in a closed system and has been always GOOD. How can there be a green house effect in an open system of cosmic rays, Ultra violet rays, sun spots etc.? How much CO2 will be critical for that “dangerous effect” and “catastrophes” predicted by GIGO computer models?

  For every C atom (mass 12) introduced from fossil fuels, 2 O atoms ( 16+ 16 mass units) are removed from the atmosphere. Has there ever been an oxygen depletion? That would be more “catastrophic” than the valuable “heating effect” and “plant exuberance” from CO2. Without a “crisis” global Marxist- anarchism cannot succeed. In the 60’s it was global cooling (Icebergs are coming!). Today it is global warming. Anything that a computer spits out is now “science”.

Philip Benjamin

Notes:

1. https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/island-nations-at-risk-of-climate-extinction-urge-action-to-save-our-very-future/ “An alliance of 39 coastal and low-lying nations said the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report, was a "major alert for the world," and called on more powerful countries to do all they can to keep global warming to no more than 1.5 degrees Celsius to "save lives and livelihoods.  We have to turn this around," Diann Black-Layne, the lead negotiator for the Alliance of Small Island States, said in a statement Monday after the IPCC report was released. …. "Humans do have the power to stop warming pretty quickly and that’s good news. When we stop adding carbon pollution we expect warming to stop.  But there are things such as sea level rise that are not reversible. The report says the sea level is committed to rise, due to continuing warming of the deep ocean and ice sheet melts…. It’s really clear how unfair climate change is," she said. "It’s primarily caused by burning fossil fuels, and it’s a few countries and individuals within countries who burned the majority of it and enjoyed the benefits they provided.”

 

2.   https://pqed.org/2016/11/psa-yelling-is-not-argument-insults-are-html

 “… In the end, insulting someone is proof of one’s own ignorance. It is a sign that the insulting party has nothing constructive to add and has run out of ideas. Anytime a person insults someone instead of responding to the argument itself, they lose the debate by default. They have given up the moral high ground and will no doubt be disregarded in the future…..  Yelling is not an argument; it is a form of violence. Socrates made this point in the very beginning of Plato’s Apology….   Insults are not evidence. In order for a statement to have an impact on an argument, it has to be relevant and provide evidence. It has to bring in new information about the argument or show how existing evidence is logically related….. this is  argumentum ad hominem, “argument to the man or person…..  Ridicule is not satire. …. But using a meme in response to an argument is to take the discourse out of the realm of conversation and make it solely about being a member of a club. It is a way of signaling to the audience that the person with whom one disagrees isn’t “one of us.” It is a way of calling on others to gang up on the arguer. This too is a form of violence—or at least intimidation…..  ” 

[spudb...@aol.com]

Philip I think you think the non-Christian references will be a Gotcha on the Climate Heater crowd. I say, you can be pagan or communist or hitler-hugging, or wicca dancing, but if one is going to perform engineering, one has to obey observation & measurement. The best way to deal with say, Climate Alarmists is to concede, Yeah it's a big problem. Then ask them how they are going to remediate this problem? 

If they mumble and fumble, they are probably green die-off fanatics who dream of a green earth without humans. Let the world know that they have no answers only empty slogans. 

If they propose a technological engineering solution, we need to have a close look at what they are proposing? If they have the machinery to accomplish a trade off from fossil fuels, than its all good. (Huzzah!) We can save the fossil fuel for someday building space elevators and orbital rings. It depends on if we can make graphene or a graphene diamond composite somehow, and somehow cheap? Money to be made upstairs. Maybe attach vast space solar panels to beam microwave down to earth rectenna's? Fix any threat of climate change for sure.

I, myself, like the new baby vertical axis wind turbines that produce micropower, but could be built in the hundreds of millions, to collectively supply humanity with an extra boost*. We also need batteries, the most interesting of which (to me) are the new heavy iron batteries which are 10 times cheaper then Elon Musk's Chinese based lithium batteries. 

*From your buddies in the EU Philip!

https://www.euronews.com/green/2021/04/06/could-this-be-the-safest-most-powerful-wind-turbine-in-the-world

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[John Clark]

Anonymous coward spudboy100 wrote:

> Avoiding a shot may simply be avoiding something that makes a person uneasy. 

There is a technical term for someone who is more is made more uneasy by the vaccination shot then the COVID-19 virus, STUPID. 

>We did need travel bans from China,

Oh for Darwin's sake! Get it through your thick skull, the USA doesn't need protection from visitors from China or Mexico, instead China and Mexico need protection from visitors from the USA. Due to the stupidity epidemic running rampant among unhygienic Trump supporters there is no place on the surface of planet earth that has anywhere near as high a density of COVID-19 virus particles as the good old USA. 

And meanwhile just yesterday, Thursday August 12,  672 very stupid Americans died of COVID-19.

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Fine, then close the borders and do not permit Americans to travel to Mexico and China. I am certain your this will be very popular with your fellow progressives, especially Chinese and Latino Biden fans.  Yes we must protect these innocents from our foul presence We are in agreement at last. You and Joe are so brainy.

A great plan and an example of liberal brains, just like Biden's Afghanistan actions right this second. Looking Good.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/08/13/world/afghanistan-taliban

Just like Biden's energy policy-

https://nypost.com/2021/08/12/bidens-energy-idiocy-kneecap-us-oil-but-beg-opec-to-pump-more/

You guys do keep telling is here how brainy you are. Geniuses!

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[John Clark]

Anonymous coward spudboy100 wrote:

> A great plan and an example of liberal brains, just like Biden's Afghanistan actions right this second. Looking Good.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/08/13/world/afghanistan-taliban

Given that US troops have been fighting and dying in Afghanistan for 20 years, and for 20 years the USA has provided the Afghan government with every weapon it asked for making their army far better provisioned than the Taliban's, and given that despite this huge advantage the Afghan government collapsed THE VERY INSTANT THE US TROOPS LEFT, it is clear, and has actually been clear for over a decade, that they were only two alternatives:

1) Stay in Afghanistan forever. 

2) Admit the obvious truth that the war is lost and get out.

President Biden chose the second alternative, and because he knew there would never be a good time to do it he figured he might as well do it right now. And as painful as it was I think it was the correct choice. Even Trump, dumb as he is, was smart enough to know this, Trump assumed he would be reelected and said:

"Getting out of Afghanistan is a wonderful and positive thing to do, I planned to withdraw on May 1st 2021, and we should keep as close to that schedule as possible."

Well, Biden gave Afghanistan 4 more months than Trump would have, but of course 4 more months did no good, 4 more decades wouldn't have helped either.

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[Brent Meeker]

It puzzles me that the government we set up in Kabul seems to have no interest in retaining power by fighting the Taliban.  Sure, they're corrupt.  But even corrupt regimes like to keep power.

Brent

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[John Clark]

On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 1:46 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> It puzzles me that the government we set up in Kabul seems to have no interest in retaining power by fighting the Taliban.  Sure, they're corrupt.  But even corrupt regimes like to keep power.

The top people in the Afghan government want to stay in power but apparently the rank-and-file soldiers who are actually doing the fighting don't much care who wins.  And no matter how well-equipped an army like that may be, with an attitude like that they are not going to win against an enemy that is willing to die for their crackpot religion.

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[spudb...@aol.com]

It is happening on Biden's watch, &  Joe and Joe and his peeps have accelerated the bug-out. If there is any blowback from the collapse, and that is an IF, it will be seen as his fault. He will try to fob it off on Donny but there is this, and Yahoo.news which is one of your buds, John states this openly. This article is briefer, to the point compared to the following New Yorker article too.

https://news.yahoo.com/talibans-afghanistan-advance-tests-bidens-100054001.html

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/the-uncomfortable-truth-of-bidens-rapid-afghanistan-withdrawal

And CNN of course. I personally suspect that Joe's way was advice of Barrack Obama, but I have no proof and am too lazy to try to search for it. Me. Very. Lazy!

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/politics/biden-overrules-advisers-afghanistan-withdrawal/index.html

So, is this John's fault? Maybe Brent's, surely, Dr. Crowell is implicated in this?!!! Nada, Chingada, it was just that guys you voted for against the symbolic group you hate. Donald, being the godhead figure, of us savages.  

And so history, unlike as Francis Fukuyama wrote years ago is not something we wake up from, but will continue to be something that kicks our collective asses on a regular basis.

Stay well and take the 3rd Pfizer unless you already have take the Moderna, which then renders a person immortal (shhhh!).

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[John Clark]

Anonymous coward spudboy100 wrote:

> It is happening on Biden's watch, &  Joe and Joe and his peeps have accelerated the bug-out.

Yes, and now it's crystal clear that the bug-out should've happened about 15 years ago, but better late than never.  

>  I personally suspect that Joe's way was advice of Barrack Obama, but I have no proof

In 2009 when Barack Obama was debating putting in a large troop surge into Afghanistan Joe Biden strongly argued against doing so, but back then he was only the vice president and was overruled.  

Biden opposed Obama's Afghanistan surge

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[Lawrence Crowell]

It is important to remember that t'Rump negotiated with the Taliban without the Afghan government back in 2019. Then t'Rump pushed the Afghan government to release 5000 Taliban fighters from prisons. That t'Rump did this mirrors the Paris Peace Talks which excluded the S. Vietnamese government. The fate of Afghanistan was sealed then.

A friend of mine worked with the Intelligence community went on to do HUMINT work. I worked on SIGINT with satellite navigation. He ended up going to Afghanistan in 2010 as part of the surge by Obama to shore up Afghanistan. He was there as an agent to find who was a Taliban mole or operative. The much bigger problem was that everyone was on the take. The lowest ranked soldiers were selling their boots, uniform, communications and electronics and so forth. They were selling them to the Taliban. More senior officers and those in the government were selling weapons, guns, ammunition, vehicles and big stuff to the Taliban. Payrolls were siphoned off and people in the ranks of the government were padding their bank accounts. An NPR report yesterday stated the police have not been paid in months. The army it is much the same, and for the most part the soldiers just imbibe in the opium that is produced there. In the end it has been massive corruption that brought this on.

During the Vietnam war the guerillas called Vietcong were most often captured or killed with an M-16. They got these from the black market in such weapons by S. Vietnamese military officers and government officials. My proposition is that in this sort of conflict, where your ally and nation you are trying to defend has this level of corruption and duplicity, you can never win. You can win battles, kill the enemy by the scores of thousands and so forth, but in the end you will not prevail. 

LC

[spudb...@aol.com]

As the political heads say, "The optics are not good on this." Mean't by me, that even democrats will find this unsettlting, especially if there are mass casualties.and its  o record You might simply dismiss my comment because I assert most democrat voters only worry about is stuff that affects them personally. On US foreign policy, Trump lost, so it is now all on Joe. 

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On Vaxing idiocy here is one from Obama's stomping ground Maui (home to Maui wowee) i stumpled across. Let me know if you believes these protestors appear to you to be Son Schmuck fans. One cannot always tell by mere appearance. For me it would seem incongruent.

https://mauinow.com/2021/08/13/maui-demonstration-seeking-medical-freedom-attracts-hundreds-for-2nd-time-this-week/

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Yeah, I don't see reason for disagreement. Another reason would be something I read, just yesterday, was that a business local travelling thru Kabul, ended up paying Baksheesh (bribery) to get past a half dozen checkpoints set up by criminal gangs, who would split their takings with the police & government. My feeling is however that Donny would have been more vindictve, and wouldn't have allowed this fiasco to take place. My view is that things like Benghazi for example was considered acceptable damage by Obama & Biden. On the contrary, Don sent a bombing mission around Damascus airports in response to the use of nerve agent by the Assad regime on the "rebels." Would any Democrat politician of note would have done this? In my estimation yes, both female, Siema(D) from Arizona, & Tulso Gabbard(D) of Hawaii. You are absolutely true about the Vietnam war corruption and the lack of fighting willingness by ARVN the army of South Vietnam. 

For American interests (survival) I would expect that Talibanville will become another base for Al Qaeda and we will at some point be facing a bio, or nuclear 9-11. My crystal ball has the lights out in it, but this possibility seems, somehow, likely.  I go with whatever helps us survive and cavil against the rest, whether economics, crime, climate, resources, energy, space. 

Another issue I heard of this afternoon (Hearsay) was a physician in TX who came off her shift and reported that of 50 patients arriving at her ER, all admitted, all had (Covid)  died by the end of her shift. Oxygen was of no use because their lungs were so compromised. She believed that these patients were all unvaccinated. I am suspecting that eventually, the states will be forced to go into some sort of lockdown, masking wearing, working from home, practice once more. So if it is this bad in one place and then propagates everywhere, it will be a vaccination passport society. Businesses and schools re-opened will have to close. Logically, if this was a Winter event last year with Covid, Nov-April, we may repeat the pattern again. No info if this was delta or that delta is vulnerable to  cold weather? 

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[Lawrence Crowell]

Don-the-Con t'Rump could care less about Afghanistan. Truth is, he could care less about our NATO allies and post WWII diplomatic entourage. Since he was in arrears to over $1 billion to Russian oligarchs, something Deutsche Bank revealed, he was doing the bidding of Putin, which was to weaken our standing in Europe so Russia could increase it influence there. t'Rump said it best, "It will be only America," and I think the GOP for itself finds the collapse of American power in the world a worthwhile loss if they can have total power here. Afghanistan? t'Rump could give a rat's ass about it. In the end the only thing t'Rump really cares about is himself.

LC

[spudb...@aol.com]

Trump would have never permitted this replay of Miss Saigon. I would never have pestered the Europeans like he did. (I am Joe Sixpack only!)The Oligarch (Russian) thing is better explained instead of by Bribery is that Putin wants a Great External Enemy to unite the people against. Stalin, after murdering his own internal millions, by signing with Hitler in September 1939, and didn't lose again Hitler's surprise attack in 1941, learnt the great value of nationalism vis a vi, The Great External Enemy. Remember when Obama got hot-miked' by Lazarov in 2012           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPMDGLbmdgo

Putin must feel he needs constant tension. No I didn't blame Obama for this, but it did make me suspicious of him, and it looks like Putin said no. 

In any case here is the Daily Beast promoting the Dark Towers allegations of which you speak. I am open to the idea of bribery being the regular practice of the elites. 

Biden--> China, so it may be Trump--->Putin.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/deutsche-bank-helped-trump-link-with-rich-russians-for-anonymous-real-estate-deals-dark-towers-book-alleges

I don't think it is true when we go from one leader with a traditional pro-military stance, to a party and a presidency, to your DNC which has focused mainly on the evils of being white, cis-normative, patriarchal, mathematical, yadda yadda. Trump was somebody the Communist Party China feared. That he had the guts to fight back, I know a liberal feminist lady who confirms this perception of mine.* As the Vulcans say, Only Nixon can go to China. Joe & Kamala? Not so much.

My thought on this Afghan this LC, is to you, Never Fear because for a majority of the democrat voting base, they don't care. What your team (not yourself) does care about is crushing The Great Internal Enemy.  Me. What will change their focus will be:

1) The economy, especially inflation

2) A Xi surprise attack in the Pacific.

3) Prolongation of the Covid variant/lockdown

4) Border inflammation, -ours
5) Mass Casualty terrorism. Could be the Klan, Antifa, and my buddies from the land of the scimitar, and "He with the bloody beard."

6)Any Black Swan (Nassim Nicolas Taleb) and I can't see it either because I am just a guy at a keyboard. 

These should be the main focus for the DNC. Your team will skate by Afghanistan falling. Your voters will not vote against democrats because of Afghanistan.  No worries!

*As with all dems she is insanely hostile. 

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[John Clark]

On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 3:50 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Trump would have never permitted this replay of Miss Saigon.

Permitted? What magical thing do you think he would've done to prevent it?  Trump said all during his administration that we should get out of Afghanistan, although for 4 years he never had the guts to actually do so, but if reelected he said he do it in May, so do you think he would now cancel the pull out and send in an additional 30,000 American troops and keep them in Afghanistan forever? Or do you think he'd just get mad and drop an H-Bomb on Kabul?

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[spudb...@aol.com]

What Trump would have done beyond being smarter about things than Joe is doing is beyond a doubt. What I think should have been done would've have been closer to your statement, "do you think he'd just get mad and drop an H-Bomb on Kabul?, 

The choice was the President's. He decided to do things in this way, and this is what we get.  My thinking is that because you your fellow voters think and react, the Afghan Collapse may do nothing harmful in the polls for Joe and his fellow democrats.  It won't effect you guys, because for your team, it's a non-starter. The things that effect your group would be things that threaten the dem voter's sense of power & security. What might these now be?

List of Probable's to change the perceptions of the democrat voting base (these need not be likely, simply if they occur?).

1. Inflation

2. Unemployment

3. Mass casualty terrorism. 

4. Street crime/thuggery increase

5. Prolonged delta shutdown

6. Comrade Xi attacks. 

None of these may ever occur, least of all on Biden's shift. If you are disliking Joe's choices on Afghanistan, all I could say is it's on you. But that's what make's ball games.

He seems to be doing exactly what Obama did on 9/11/12 in Benghazi. Jimmy Carter in his Iran Hostage rescue failure. Yes, Miss Saigon occurred under Gerald Ford's watch, as did the Killing Fields of Cambodia. Ford did do a Hostage Rescue of the captured Mayaguez crew that was successful. The Vietnam failure and  the Cambodian Killing fields were on him tho. I can continue time-warping back and ruminate over past historical choices, ad nauseum. But it's just compare & contrast is all, hoping to learn from past errors.

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Anonymous coward Spudboy100 wrote:

> What Trump would have done beyond being smarter about things than Joe is doing is beyond a doubt.

Not beyond my doubt!!  

 

> What I think should have been done would've have been closer to your statement, "do you think he'd just get mad and drop an H-Bomb on Kabul?, 

My dear Mr. Spudboy100, I'm not surprised  to hear you say that, for 4 years I was terrified that Donald Trump would start throwing around H-bombs the instant he thought his manhood had been questioned. And the fact that you would approve of such behavior is why both you and Donald Trump are certifiable.  

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[spudb...@aol.com]

I think that possibility dwelt only within your brain John. Most No Trumpers never mentioned this possibility even during arguments. His manhood is never something that bothered me about his character," since I am not big on moralism and suspect that like Hunter Biden has spent the 21st century, The Donald spent the 20th with high cost hookers and may lines of cocaine. And so it rolls. That "I approve" of such behavior means that I tend to be more forgiving of people, and that your statement demonstrates that  as a lad, I was to expect the Jesus people to be self righteous, but instead the progressives put these to shame. Bingo! I never worried about Bill Clinton's pecadillos and never troubled about the Don. 

On Joe's universally condemned fuck up, with Afghanistan, there's nothing either of us can do now. 

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[Lawrence Crowell]

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 2:23:00 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

I think that possibility dwelt only within your brain John. Most No Trumpers never mentioned this possibility even during arguments. His manhood is never something that bothered me about his character," since I am not big on moralism and suspect that like Hunter Biden has spent the 21st century, The Donald spent the 20th with high cost hookers

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-dealt-with-a-series-of-people-who-had-mob-ties-1472736922

It goes beyond porn stars and prostitutes. Don-the-Con with his big buddy and pal Jeffery Epstein had rape-athon parties. Epstein was a big pimp for powerful and wealthy men, who had a reputation of getting teenaged girls. T'Rump did not just have adulterous relationships with prostitutes, he raped young girls. Epstein was a gangster, and there are many pictures of t'Rump with organized criminal figures.

LC

[John Clark]

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 3:22 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

>>> Trump would have never permitted this replay of Miss Saigon.

>>Permitted? What magical thing do you think he would've done to prevent it?  Trump said all during his administration that we should get out of Afghanistan, although for 4 years he never had the guts to actually do so, but if reelected he said he do it in May, so do you think he would now cancel the pull out and send in an additional 30,000 American troops and keep them in Afghanistan forever? Or do you think he'd just get mad and drop an H-Bomb on Kabul?

> I think that possibility dwelt only within your brain John. Most No Trumpers never mentioned this possibility even during arguments.

More than 200 retired generals, admirals endorse Biden, including some who served under Trump

 

> His manhood is never something that bothered me about his character," since I am not big on moralism

I'm not talking about Trump's habit of sneaking into the dressing rooms of teenage beauty contest contestants or how he liked to "Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything. When you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything." ; I was talking about him throwing around H bombs if he thought a foreign leader had implied he had a small dick and no balls, and you indicated such behavior by Trump would be entirely im character under those circumstances. And you also indicated you would approve of such behavior. And that's why Donald Trump's continued existence does not bode well for the continued existence of the human race. And that's why you are a member of something that 20 years ago would've been called "the lunatic fringe", but today you can just be called a "mainstream Republican".

> and suspect that like Hunter Biden [,,,]

Speaking of presidential offspring, I'll take Hunter Biden over Don Junior or Eric any day!  

> On Joe's universally condemned fuck up, with Afghanistan, there's nothing either of us can do now. 

Certainly the Afghanistan government collapsed much quicker than Joe expected, much faster than I expected, I think even faster than the Taliban expected. I knew it would be fast but I didn't know it would be instantaneous. I think Obama missed an opportunity to get out of Afghanistan in 2011 when he killed Osama bin Laden, after all the original reason for entering Afghanistan in the first place was that after 911 the Taliban gave him safe harbor and refused to turn him over to us for trial, but we couldn't find him and so over the years mission creep started and the new goal was to turn Afghanistan into a Jeffersonian democracy, and that was just never going to work. But of course if Obama had done it and actually gotten out of Afghanistan in 2011 the Republicans would have crucified him. So yes, Kabul does look like Saigon in 1975, but maybe there is just no elegant way to lose a war.  

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[Bruno Marchal]

I am rather disappointed that Biden took seriously "the negotiation" between Trump and the Talibans, which is more like bandits collaboration. I was rather angry with respect to trump's isolationism, and it is sad that Biden follows him on this.I was hoping that America stays much longer in Afghanistan, and fight against the corruption which put the democracy at risk, and we know see, as the Afghans literally let the Taliban take all controls. It will be very hard for the woman and kids who got a taste of democracy. The Talibans are worst than ISIS, and I think that this event is again a major catastrophe for *all* democracies. Biden felt in a major trap left by Trump, imo. They forget the rule: never negotiate with a terrorist, because that empowers them. I fear for the Pakistan, who has its own Taliban, which celebrate this "victory", and will get more power from this. 

[John Clark]

On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 8:04 AM Bruno Marchal <mar...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

 

> The Talibans are worst than ISIS,

Agreed.

> I was hoping that America stays much longer in Afghanistan,

After 20 years, 2448 dead American soldiers, and 2 trillion dollars down the drain (enough to land a man on Mars, and with just another 3 or 4 trillion you could bring him back home again) I think it's time to say enough is enough. Biden figured If they can't stand on their own 2 feet by now they never will be able to.  And as events proved, the instant they were no longer being propped up they collapsed instantaneously. We should've gotten out in 2011 when Osama bin Laden was killed.

> and fight against the corruption which put the democracy at risk,

Most Afghans don't seem to want democracy very much if at all, they're certainly not willing to fight for it, but most are more than willing to die for their crackpot religion. The USA could and did buy lots of weapons for the Afghans, but they couldn't buy the will to fight with them.

> and I think that this event is again a major catastrophe for *all* democracies.

Yes, but it's an even greater catastrophe for China. Afghanistan is on China's doorstep and as much as the Taliban hate Americans they hate godless communists even more, and there are about 70 million Muslims in China.  I don't think the Taliban will be shy about inciting that Chinese minority to cause internal trouble.  

 

> Biden felt in a major trap left by Trump, imo.

Yes but given that the only alternative was to stay in Afghanistan forever I think Biden made the right choice.  It had to happen sometime and whenever it happened the results would be ugly, so it might as well happen now. 

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[Brent Meeker]

On 8/18/2021 7:31 AM, John Clark wrote:

On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 8:04 AM Bruno Marchal <mar...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

 

> The Talibans are worst than ISIS,

Agreed.

> I was hoping that America stays much longer in Afghanistan,

After 20 years, 2448 dead American soldiers, and 2 trillion dollars down the drain (enough to land a man on Mars, and with just another 3 or 4 trillion you could bring him back home again) I think it's time to say enough is enough. Biden figured If they can't stand on their own 2 feet by now they never will be able to.  And as events proved, the instant they were no longer being propped up they collapsed instantaneously. We should've gotten out in 2011 when Osama bin Laden was killed.

We should have gotten our in 2001 when the Taliban offered to hand over bin Laden to a neutral country for trial.

> and fight against the corruption which put the democracy at risk,

Most Afghans don't seem to want democracy very much if at all, they're certainly not willing to fight for it, but most are more than willing to die for their crackpot religion. The USA could and did buy lots of weapons for the Afghans, but they couldn't buy the will to fight with them.

I find it hard to fault them.  I wouldn't want to fight for a kleptocracy in Kabul that just existed by U.S. fiat.

> and I think that this event is again a major catastrophe for *all* democracies.

Yes, but it's an even greater catastrophe for China. Afghanistan is on China's doorstep and as much as the Taliban hate Americans they hate godless communists even more, and there are about 70 million Muslims in China.  I don't think the Taliban will be shy about inciting that Chinese minority to cause internal trouble.  

 

> Biden felt in a major trap left by Trump, imo.

He didn't "felt in a trap".  He advised Obama to pull out in 2010.

Brent

Yes but given that the only alternative was to stay in Afghanistan forever I think Biden made the right choice.  It had to happen sometime and whenever it happened the results would be ugly, so it might as well happen now. 

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John forgive me for not giving the time you want to the subject of Don's libido. I never cared about Bill Clinton's penis landing zones either, to be fair. The grabby the pussy remark was at a public speaking, in 1996, which he joked with an actor. Like, "if you're an actor you can just reach down and grab the pussy." This joke by Trump seems true in retrospect. It's a great reason to envy actors. On Afghanistan, its not DJT who was and is a nutso warmonger, but myself. If you wish to talk policy in Afghanistan, had I been Chef Psycho, I would have done WW2 invasion and followed Osama into Fission-armed Pakistan on an extermination campaign against the co-connected Taliban + Osama. I would have physically bombed this team out of their Pashtun mountains .But that is the past.

Whatever Joe and the Progressives that now comprise the Ruling class conducted is the antithesis of working, no matter how well you ignore of forgive them.

For yourself, please remember that this for the democrat voter will be a 30 Day wonder. You guys will do your part by ignoring, making excuses, going silent. The things you guys can't walk away from would be things like, the economy, the border influx, the delta variant, street crime, China. We both shall see how these things play out in the real world and stay well! You have nothing to worry about Joe and the DNC losing support from the democrat voter base. Ain't going to happen!

~General Spud100

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Bruno, whatever you feel about Don ala Orange, you as a  NATO member must take whatever is said by Biden and his Pentagon and his State department carefully. My view is that he will throw you to Putin, or Xi, or yeah, The Ayatollahs, without a look back. You may have believed this of the previous guy, already, but here and now in the Non-Platonic realm you have evidence downloaded to your computer screen. Protect yourselves because I don't think the progressives will. Most of their base just doesn't care and are just like the people who supported isolationism after The Great War. Good Luck, and luck favors the prepared. 

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[Philip Benjamin]

      Wind systems change. Sunspots change both in intensities and frequencies. Cosmic rays change. And planet earth is not a closed system (as a greenhouse). How much CO2 will it take for “greenhouse” effect of planet earth to be critical? The climate computers will not know until the Marxist pagan “scientists” with un-awakened consciousness (UC) concoct their input data. The deceitfulness of paganism with UC does not (but can) change.  

        Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, a nonconformist with awakened consciousness (AC),  who descended from an intellectual Cossack family, was sent for eight years in the Soviet Gulag as a mental patient by the Marxist pagan maniacs with  UC i.e. their non-electric, non-entropic bio dark-matter bodies of negligible mass but having real chemistries were not extrinsically energized.  Solzhenitsyn was also hooted out by a Harvard crowd of maniacs with UC in 1978 (Alexander Solzhenitsyn - Harvard Magazine; https://wordsnotmadewithlungs.wordpress.com/2020/10/31/the-timeliness-of-solzhenitsyns-1978-harvard-speech/

https://harvardmagazine.com/sites/default/files/1978_alexander_solzhenitsyn.pdf).

     Labelling non-conformists (AC’s) with anything that will supposedly destroy or silence them is a customary Marxist pagan (UC) tactics.  Hate and intolerance are intrinsic (atavistic) vices of UC. What is neede is a “new creation”, an AWAKENING.

Philip Benjamin

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