Trump hosts QAnon 'Pizzagate' conspiracy theorist at Mar-a-Lago

[John Clark]

Trump hosts QAnon 'Pizzagate' conspiracy theorist at Mar-a-Lago

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[Lawrence Crowell]

Generally correct.

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Now PizzaGate is something I never heard of, being that it was sourced to QAnon, which I have never been to. For 2024 we could see the Reps split apart as John described in another thread, tween Mar-A-Largo voters and De Santis peeps. There is also this scenario by a democrat election group, where Third Way successfully runs a candidate where Trump loyalists stick behind him, no matter what, however this fractures the Dem support for Biden. You can read and decide for yourselves if this is viable?

Dems 'Alarmed' at Bizarre Scenario That Could See Donald Trump Take Back the White House in 2024 – RedState

The thing I keep pestering JC about is policy and the reason I pester him about policy is something you'd think an engineer would groove on, a flowchart diagram. Let us use Joey as an example. Or, the greater DNC?

Do releasing criminals for street crimes produce more or less crime, and crime victims? < y/n>

Goto

If Then Else

In other words we want to optimally get to the point where policy is hooked in as close to reality as reasonably possible.

You can apply it to my side as well, because why not?

Was it smart for Trump to meet with Ye & friends, without vetting? <y/n>

Politics has nothing in it basically, in my oppy except to fund Technology to solve actual problems, troubles, inequality, whatever. 

With you two politics is like a religion. For me, if Maxine Waters sponsored bill advancing technology that would have benefit to society, then, I'd be forgiving everything else that she does badly.As economist Walter Williams said, "Life isn;t always about fixes, life is about trade offs. For me, obtaining funding for techno fixes is worth the trade off. 

You guys? Ideological purity. Also, try now to drill holes in the bottom of the boat we all share. Or. as Hippocrates said. "First, do no harm."

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[John Clark]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 9:14 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Now PizzaGate is something I never heard of, being that it was sourced to QAnon, which I have never been to.

Well, Trump has certainly heard of PizzaGate and QAnon and he must've liked what he heard for him to invite one of its most prominent members to his home.  And even a man as ignorant as Trump has probably heard of Hitler, but that hasn't stopped him from being pals with notorious Hitler lovers.

> The thing I keep pestering JC about is policy

And I keep saying I didn't like Trump's POLICY of nullifying any election he loses so he could become a right wing dictator. I don't like Trump's POLICY of turning the US into a banana republic. I didn't like Trump's POLICY of withholding military aid to Ukraine unless its president publicly announced it was investigating Trump's presidential competitor. I didn't like Trump's POLICY of putting people on the Supreme Court who would have been virtual clones of him except that they had the additional flaw of being religious zealots who would be nearly indistinguishable from the ayatollahs in Iran if the words "Jesus" and "Mohammed" were exchanged.

> For 2024 we could see the Reps split apart as John described in another thread, tween Mar-A-Largo voters and De Santis peeps. There is also this scenario by a democrat election group, where Third Way successfully runs a candidate where Trump loyalists stick behind him, no matter what, however this fractures the Dem support for Biden. You can read and decide for yourselves if this is viable?

Dems 'Alarmed' at Bizarre Scenario That Could See Donald Trump Take Back the White House in 2024 – RedState

A third party candidate can't win but sometimes they can decide who does win; Trump can thank the Libertarian and Green parties for his 2016 victory. Those parties also hurt Biden in 2020 but not enough to keep him from winning. This new organization that you referred to should really be called Fifth Wave not Third Wave, and all it's likely to do, even if it manages to gain some momentum, is to split the third party vote that wouldn't be going to Biden anyway. The Green and Libertarian parties should worry about this more than the Democrats. 

By contrast the modern Republican Party, that is to say the Republican party after it went nuts, has never had to face a third party challenge, but if Donald Trump doesn't win the Republican nomination it's virtually certain to face a very serious third-party challenge from a former president in 2024 ensuring a democratic victory.

> and the reason I pester him about policy is something you'd think an engineer would groove on, a flowchart diagram. Let us use Joey as an example. Or, the greater DNC? Do releasing criminals for street crimes produce more or less crime, and crime victims? < y/n>

 Oh for Darwin's sake! In the first place, on a list of problems facing the US, Street crime is not even in the top 10. In the second place it's a fact that 7 of the 10 states with the HIGHEST per-capita rates of violent crime voted Republican in 2020, and 7 of the 10 states with the LOWEST per-capita rates of violent crime voted Democratic in 2020. However I realize facts will never change your political opinions because facts had nothing to do with how they were originally formed. 

> Politics has nothing in it basically, in my oppy except to fund Technology to solve actual problems, troubles, inequality, whatever. 

And I didn't like Trump's POLICY of radically reducing research and development spending:

Trump's 2021 budget drowns science agencies in red ink, again

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[spudb...@aol.com]

His policies were surprisingly good, for he US middle class and for US students with freshly, minted IT degrees, versus, H1-B workers.  Most conservative Christians I deal with seem a lot better than the Libs who condone anything Progressive due, to Ideology.

Trump let himself get bamboozled and that is all on him. The dems have tried selling themselves on the awfulness of De Santis but it won't work. He will be the next president and if things go sideways, the next President of the World! (Go Team!)

Or may that Italian PM. Supreme Court packing has been tried since FDR, and this will only end in people deciding to be scofflaws. YES, your FBI will attempt to make an example of them, but I would expect refusal at the State/Gov level. I'd imagine when the dem-controlled executive branch gets held in hopelessly low esteem by a Plurality of voters, it will cease to be powerful. 

One of the things that will cause this to occur will be what your progressive attorneys tell Joey? I suspect people, people who thinks politics is dangerous to our national well-being, will start having buyers remorse. We shall see, JC, we shall see?

I don't disagree with your general analysis as Bill Clinton once said (no, not pass the cigar) but, "We play the hand we're dealt."

I am thinking that street crime is pervasive and seems underreported by say, the FBI and The Department of Justice which are strictly run by the DNC. I am serious regarding this, and your party runs things like a mafia. Why? Because the republicans are self-absorbed and bribed. Neither party represents the working or middle class. We are a Plutocracy, John. Princeton University had it correct in 2014, with its eyes on the reps but, this applied globally.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

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On POLICY, what do you as an engineer, propose for energy production for transportation and for home and commercial use? 

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On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 7:24 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> His policies were surprisingly good, for he US middle class and for US students with freshly, minted IT degrees, versus, H1-B workers.

In your writing I usually have to guess who the referent to your personal pronouns are, and in this case I'm guessing "his" refers to Joe Biden, if my guess is correct then I disagree with you. Biden should've scrapped Trump's idiotic H1B policy on his first day in office. You say you like technological solutions to problems and you want the US to remain a world power, if so then it makes absolutely no sense to stop very intelligent highly skilled workers from entering the country. Last year China alone produced 49,498 PhDs in science engineering and mathematics, while the U.S. only made 33,759; and if you count college graduates with STEM degrees, China produced 4.7 million, India produced 2.6 million and the US only made 568,000. We should take advantage of the brain drain from China and India and lots of other countries if we want to remain #1 in science, trying to stop it is nuts because there are just not enough home grown people to fulfill demand. I think it's great that smart people want to come here because there is no way the US can remain on the bleeding edge of technology without them.  

 

> Most conservative Christians I deal with seem a lot better than the Libs who condone anything Progressive due, to Ideology.

 Conservative Christians are right about one thing, reality has a strong liberal bias.

 > Supreme Court packing has been tried since FDR,

Yes, and I say it's time to try that again.  

> I am thinking that street crime is pervasive and seems underreporte, the FBI and The Department of Justice which are strictly run by the DNC.

Except of course during Republican administrations during which street crime is overreported by those radically liberal, long-haired, drug taking, tie-dyed wearing, Rock 'n' roll loving FBI agents. 

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On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 9:14 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Now PizzaGate is something I never heard of, being that it was sourced to QAnon, which I have never been to.

Well, Trump has certainly heard of PizzaGate and QAnon and he must've liked what he heard for him to invite one of its most prominent members to his home.  And even a man as ignorant as Trump has probably heard of Hitler, but that hasn't stopped him from being pals with notorious Hitler lovers.

> The thing I keep pestering JC about is policy

And I keep saying I didn't like Trump's POLICY of nullifying any election he loses so he could become a right wing dictator. I don't like Trump's POLICY of turning the US into a banana republic. I didn't like Trump's POLICY of withholding military aid to Ukraine unless its president publicly announced it was investigating Trump's presidential competitor. I didn't like Trump's POLICY of putting people on the Supreme Court who would have been virtual clones of him except that they had the additional flaw of being religious zealots who would be nearly indistinguishable from the ayatollahs in Iran if the words "Jesus" and "Mohammed" were exchanged.

> For 2024 we could see the Reps split apart as John described in another thread, tween Mar-A-Largo voters and De Santis peeps. There is also this scenario by a democrat election group, where Third Way successfully runs a candidate where Trump loyalists stick behind him, no matter what, however this fractures the Dem support for Biden. You can read and decide for yourselves if this is viable?

Dems 'Alarmed' at Bizarre Scenario That Could See Donald Trump Take Back the White House in 2024 – RedState

A third party candidate can't win but sometimes they can decide who does win; Trump can thank the Libertarian and Green parties for his 2016 victory. Those parties also hurt Biden in 2020 but not enough to keep him from winning. This new organization that you referred to should really be called Fifth Wave not Third Wave, and all it's likely to do, even if it manages to gain some momentum, is to split the third party vote that wouldn't be going to Biden anyway. The Green and Libertarian parties should worry about this more than the Democrats. 

By contrast the modern Republican Party, that is to say the Republican party after it went nuts, has never had to face a third party challenge, but if Donald Trump doesn't win the Republican nomination it's virtually certain to face a very serious third-party challenge from a former president in 2024 ensuring a democratic victory.

> and the reason I pester him about policy is something you'd think an engineer would groove on, a flowchart diagram. Let us use Joey as an example. Or, the greater DNC? Do releasing criminals for street crimes produce more or less crime, and crime victims? < y/n>

 Oh for Darwin's sake! In the first place, on a list of problems facing the US, Street crime is not even in the top 10. In the second place it's a fact that 7 of the 10 states with the HIGHEST per-capita rates of violent crime voted Republican in 2020, and 7 of the 10 states with the LOWEST per-capita rates of violent crime voted Democratic in 2020. However I realize facts will never change your political opinions because facts had nothing to do with how they were originally formed. 

> Politics has nothing in it basically, in my oppy except to fund Technology to solve actual problems, troubles, inequality, whatever. 

And I didn't like Trump's POLICY of radically reducing research and development spending:

Trump's 2021 budget drowns science agencies in red ink, again

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[Brent Meeker]

Of course it wasn't actually tried; it was threatened. 

I think we should limber up and try out impeaching Supreme court justices.   We could start with Thomas for not recusing himself from case involving his wife.  Then we could go on to Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and Barrett for lying to the Congress about their views of abortion rights and stare decisis.

Brent