Brent -- Did you know?

[Alan Grayson]

I was the CHIEF TROLL on the Galileo Spacecraft at JPL, aka the Cognizant Engineer. As I trolled along, there was a MASSIVE rewrite of the software for the main computer, called the Command and Data Subsystem, an operating system analogous to WIndows, which included a huge testing requirement, to compensate for the inoperable (stuck in position)  high gain antenna. As I continued my incessant trolling, the Spacecraft made it to Jupiter, was successfully inserted in orbit, and completed its scientific mission.  I trolled so well, so successfully that there was NEVER a major software error during the entire mission. So, to all the fools here who accuse me of trolling, I offer a hearty, well deserved FUCK YOU! What have you guys done so expertly?  TROLL OUT!

[Quentin Anciaux]

Le lun. 13 janv. 2025, 09:44, Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> a écrit :

I was the CHIEF TROLL on the Galileo Spacecraft at JPL, aka the Cognizant Engineer. As I trolled along, there was a MASSIVE rewrite of the software for the main computer, called the Command and Data Subsystem, an operating system analogous to WIndows, which included a huge testing requirement, to compensate for the inoperable (stuck in position)  high gain antenna. As I continued my incessant trolling, the Spacecraft made it to Jupiter, was successfully inserted in orbit, and completed its scientific mission.  I trolled so well, so successfully that there was NEVER a major software error during the entire mission. So, to all the fools here who accuse me of trolling, I offer a hearty, well deserved FUCK YOU! What have you guys done so expertly?  TROLL OUT!

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[Quentin Anciaux]

AG, your endless cycle of insults, threats, and melodrama is as predictable as it is pathetic. If you think your empty threats and childish outbursts intimidate anyone, you’re deluding yourself. The irony of you demanding civility while spewing abuse is almost impressive. If you don’t want engagement, stop flinging nonsense and expecting silence in return. You’re not above criticism, no matter how loudly you yell. Grow up.

Le lun. 13 janv. 2025, 12:52, Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> a écrit :

ASSHOLE; strongly suggest you mind your own fuckin' business. I don't want to be subject to your abuse. If you don't cease and desist, there are other ways to deal with this issue which are much less pleasant. AG

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[Alan Grayson]

You were warned. A word to the wise is sufficient.

[Quentin Anciaux]

AG, your empty threats are as laughable as your arguments. Keep pretending you’re the authority here—it’s as entertaining as it is pathetic. Bouhou, indeed.

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[Alan Grayson]

Quentin: For the record; have you ever done anything noteworthy in your professional life? AG

[Alan Grayson]

On Monday, January 13, 2025 at 8:09:39 AM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote:

Quentin: For the record; have you ever done anything noteworthy in your professional life? AG

Answer: Zero. What I expected. AG 

[Alan Grayson]

On Monday, January 13, 2025 at 9:26:17 AM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote:

On Monday, January 13, 2025 at 8:09:39 AM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote:

Quentin: For the record; have you ever done anything noteworthy in your professional life? AG

Answer: Zero. What I expected. AG 

Why didn't you list your "Profile in Courage", when you took a piss in the girl's bathroom at your place of employment? Other than that, did you do anything professional in science or engineering? AG

The way progress in science occurs, is when someone, anyone, challenges the status quo, such as when Pauli postulated the existence of neutrinos. If he was mocked, his claim might have been ignored. This relates to your mockery of me when I thought there was a flaw in SR. I was mistaken. BFD!  But that wasn't enough for you. The mockery continued even after I acknowledged my error. BTW, my list of accomplishments goes beyond JPL, but I wasn't in the mood to add them. AG 

[Quentin Anciaux]

You never acknowledge anything, please leave, enough with jpl simultaneous trolling.

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[Alan Grayson]

On Monday, January 13, 2025 at 11:40:17 PM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote:

You never acknowledge anything, please leave, enough with jpl simultaneous trolling.

I definitely did. More than once. Now you know what got me angry. I made an error, acknowledged it, BFD, yet your mockery continued, and still continues. AG 

[Quentin Anciaux]

You didn't, proof is you're still  discussing the so called paradox, no acknowledgement of the role of simultaneity in "solving the so called paradox"

So no, you're a big fat troll.

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[Quentin Anciaux]

AG, this is exactly what makes you either a troll or just plain ignorant. When you thought you had found a flaw in SR, any reasonable person would have assumed they were likely mistaken and taken the time to check their understanding. You could have read up on it, listened to what others explained, or even challenged it with tools like ChatGPT or other AI. But your ego is so inflated with nonsense that you genuinely—or trollingly—believed you were some kind of genius. This is why you’re a textbook example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Thankfully, for Galileo’s sake, you weren’t alone in that project. 

Quentin

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[Alan Grayson]

On Tuesday, January 14, 2025 at 12:18:08 AM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote:

You didn't, proof is you're still  discussing the so called paradox, no acknowledgement of the role of simultaneity in "solving the so called paradox"

Of course I did. You're completely mistaken. You can ask anyone who followed the discussion. Now I am trying to go through how the paradox is solved via the disagreement about simultaneity, Apparently, the car doesn't fit from the pov of the car frame, but not at the same time as it fits from the pov of the garage frame. If both happened at the same time, we'd have a paradox, but they don't. So, not only are you mistaken on the state of my understanding of the paradox, but you have zero professional accomplishments in science or engineering, so it's time for you to STFU. AG 

[Alan Grayson]

On Tuesday, January 14, 2025 at 2:58:54 AM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote:

AG, this is exactly what makes you either a troll or just plain ignorant. When you thought you had found a flaw in SR, any reasonable person would have assumed they were likely mistaken

I also stated I was probably wrong in thinking SR was flawed, and that I preferred to think the theory was correct. I didn't state that immediately, but a fair way into the discussion. You're obviously cherry-picking because you're low-life, aka a POS. AG

[Quentin Anciaux]

AG, your response is as arrogant as it is self-contradictory. You’re now parroting back what has already been explained to you countless times, acting as though you’ve had a sudden epiphany, while simultaneously denying the role others played in getting you there. If your understanding was so clear all along, why waste months denying simultaneity’s role and throwing insults instead of engaging in meaningful discussion?

As for your attack on my supposed lack of professional accomplishments, it’s a transparent deflection. You don’t win arguments by throwing baseless personal jabs; you win them by understanding the subject—which, ironically, you’ve consistently failed to do. Maybe it’s time for you to take your own advice and learn to listen before speaking.

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[Quentin Anciaux]

AG, your constant backpedaling and insults are nothing new. If you truly acknowledged your mistake, it was buried under layers of arrogance and attacks, making it hard to take seriously. The fact that you now claim to have "probably been wrong" while still lashing out at others only reinforces your inability to have a genuine, constructive discussion.

Stop hiding behind insults and own your behavior for once. If anyone here is "cherry-picking," it’s you, conveniently forgetting the countless times you dismissed valid explanations outright. Your habit of playing the victim after initiating conflict is tiring and transparent. Grow up.

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[Quentin Anciaux]

5 days ago... and you're not a troll 🤣

[Alan Grayson]

On Tuesday, January 14, 2025 at 6:20:54 AM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote:

AG, your constant backpedaling and insults are nothing new. If you truly acknowledged your mistake, it was buried under layers of arrogance and attacks, making it hard to take seriously. The fact that you now claim to have "probably been wrong" while still lashing out at others only reinforces your inability to have a genuine, constructive discussion.

I mainly "lash out" to you because you're a fool. I posted what I said I posted. You probably missed it because the discussion was long. But I did tell you a few times to explain how simultaneity solved the paradox, but you never did that. Instead you keep repeating what I called a slogan. Now STFU. AG

Stop hiding behind insults and own your behavior for once. If anyone here is "cherry-picking," it’s you, conveniently forgetting the countless times you dismissed valid explanations outright. Your habit of playing the victim after initiating conflict is tiring and transparent. Grow up.

Le mar. 14 janv. 2025, 13:32, Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> a écrit :

On Tuesday, January 14, 2025 at 2:58:54 AM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote:

AG, this is exactly what makes you either a troll or just plain ignorant. When you thought you had found a flaw in SR, any reasonable person would have assumed they were likely mistaken

I also stated I was probably wrong in thinking SR was flawed, and that I preferred to think the theory was correct. I didn't state that immediately, but a fair way into the discussion. You're obviously cherry-picking because you're low-life, aka a POS. AG

 

and taken the time to check their understanding. You could have read up on it, listened to what others explained, or even challenged it with tools like ChatGPT or other AI. But your ego is so inflated with nonsense that you genuinely—or trollingly—believed you were some kind of genius. This is why you’re a textbook example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Thankfully, for Galileo’s sake, you weren’t alone in that project. 

Quentin

Le mar. 14 janv. 2025, 07:21, Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> a écrit :

On Monday, January 13, 2025 at 9:26:17 AM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote:

On Monday, January 13, 2025 at 8:09:39 AM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote:

Quentin: For the record; have you ever done anything noteworthy in your professional life? AG

Answer: Zero. What I expected. AG 

Why didn't you list your "Profile in Courage", when you took a piss in the girl's bathroom at your place of employment? Other than that, did you do anything professional in science or engineering? AG

The way progress in science occurs, is when someone, anyone, challenges the status quo, such as when Pauli postulated the existence of neutrinos. If he was mocked, his claim might have been ignored. This relates to your mockery of me when I thought there was a flaw in SR. I was mistaken. BFD!  But that wasn't enough for you. The mockery continued even after I acknowledged my error. BTW, my list of accomplishments goes beyond JPL, but I wasn't in the mood to add them. AG 

On Monday, January 13, 2025 at 5:35:30 AM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote:

AG, your empty threats are as laughable as your arguments. Keep pretending you’re the authority here—it’s as entertaining as it is pathetic. Bouhou, indeed.

Le lun. 13 janv. 2025, 13:34, Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> a écrit :

You were warned. A word to the wise is sufficient.

On Monday, January 13, 2025 at 5:29:55 AM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote:

AG, your endless cycle of insults, threats, and melodrama is as predictable as it is pathetic. If you think your empty threats and childish outbursts intimidate anyone, you’re deluding yourself. The irony of you demanding civility while spewing abuse is almost impressive. If you don’t want engagement, stop flinging nonsense and expecting silence in return. You’re not above criticism, no matter how loudly you yell. Grow up.

Le lun. 13 janv. 2025, 12:52, Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> a écrit :

ASSHOLE; strongly suggest you mind your own fuckin' business. I don't want to be subject to your abuse. If you don't cease and desist, there are other ways to deal with this issue which are much less pleasant. AG

On Monday, January 13, 2025 at 4:21:33 AM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote:

Le lun. 13 janv. 2025, 09:44, Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> a écrit :

I was the CHIEF TROLL on the Galileo Spacecraft at JPL, aka the Cognizant Engineer. As I trolled along, there was a MASSIVE rewrite of the software for the main computer, called the Command and Data Subsystem, an operating system analogous to WIndows, which included a huge testing requirement, to compensate for the inoperable (stuck in position)  high gain antenna. As I continued my incessant trolling, the Spacecraft made it to Jupiter, was successfully inserted in orbit, and completed its scientific mission.  I trolled so well, so successfully that there was NEVER a major software error during the entire mission. So, to all the fools here who accuse me of trolling, I offer a hearty, well deserved FUCK YOU! What have you guys done so expertly?  TROLL OUT!glegroups.com.

[Quentin Anciaux]

AG, your claim that we "missed" your supposed acknowledgment or apology is outright false. Everything you’ve said has been copied and scrutinized here, and nowhere did you explicitly acknowledge or accept the explanations provided. Instead, you’ve spent the entire discussion oscillating between dismissing simultaneity, demanding proofs you ignored when given, and hurling insults.

Now you’re pretending to have been reasonable all along, while still insisting no one explained how simultaneity resolves the paradox—when that’s been done repeatedly. You’re not being misunderstood; you’re rewriting history to save face. It’s transparent, it’s dishonest, and it’s exactly why no one takes you seriously.

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[Alan Grayson]

On Tuesday, January 14, 2025 at 7:12:19 AM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote:

AG, your claim that we "missed" your supposed acknowledgment or apology is outright false. Everything you’ve said has been copied and scrutinized here, and nowhere did you explicitly acknowledge or accept the explanations provided. Instead, you’ve spent the entire discussion oscillating between dismissing simultaneity, demanding proofs you ignored when given, and hurling insults.

Now you’re pretending to have been reasonable all along, while still insisting no one explained how simultaneity resolves the paradox—when that’s been done repeatedly. You’re not being misunderstood; you’re rewriting history to save face. It’s transparent, it’s dishonest, and it’s exactly why no one takes you seriously.

The reason I call you a prick is because that's how you strike me. For example, you claim I was "backpeddling". Do you know that is? It's a pejorative for the fact that I changed my mind. Am I allowed to change my mind? Like I earlier wrote; STFU. AG

[John Clark]

On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 7:27 AM Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote:

 > If both happened at the same time, we'd have a paradox, but they don't. 

So what are we arguing about? 

 

John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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[Quentin Anciaux]

AG, changing your mind isn’t the issue—it’s the dishonesty and insults that accompany it. You didn’t simply "change your mind"; you denied, deflected, and insulted every step of the way, only to later claim you had it figured out all along. That’s not backpedaling because of new understanding—it’s trolling to avoid accountability.

Yes, you’re allowed to change your mind. What you’re not entitled to is rewriting the discussion to make yourself look like the victim while continuing to throw baseless insults. If you can’t handle being called out for your behavior, maybe it’s time to reflect instead of lashing out.

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[Alan Grayson]

We were arguing about is whether I ever changed my mind. Quentin doesn't believe I did. What do you say? AG

More important is this: if fitting and not fitting do not  happen at the same time, how does this resolve the paradox?. Presumably, these events could happen at different times. Does this mean we're out of the woods on SR? AG 

[Alan Grayson]

On Tuesday, January 14, 2025 at 8:01:18 AM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote:

AG, changing your mind isn’t the issue—it’s the dishonesty and insults that accompany it. You didn’t simply "change your mind"; you denied, deflected, and insulted every step of the way, only to later claim you had it figured out all along. That’s not backpedaling because of new understanding—it’s trolling to avoid accountability.

Yes, you’re allowed to change your mind. What you’re not entitled to is rewriting the discussion to make yourself look like the victim while continuing to throw baseless insults. If you can’t handle being called out for your behavior, maybe it’s time to reflect instead of lashing out.

You're hopelessly deluded because you can't see anything offensive in your behavior. AG 

[Quentin Anciaux]

AG, the irony of you calling someone else deluded is almost poetic. You’ve spent this entire discussion hurling insults, denying obvious facts, and twisting every explanation given to you, yet you somehow think you’re the reasonable party here. It’s laughable.

Your behavior has been a masterclass in projection. You call others offensive while spewing childish insults, dismiss valid points while accusing others of ignorance, and now you’re playing the victim when called out for your nonsense. If anyone here is hopelessly deluded, AG, it’s the guy who can’t see that he’s the textbook definition of a troll.

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[John Clark]

On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 10:03 AM Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote:

 > if fitting and not fitting do not  happen at the same time, how does this resolve the paradox?

Fitting in the garage means there was a moment when the front of the car was fully in the garage while simultaneously the back of the car was also fully in the garage, if you and I disagree about simultaneity then logically we will disagree about whether the car can fit in the garage or not. So there is no paradox, just a strange situation. If my answer does not satisfy you may I suggest this, ask your question to Claude , he is infinitely patient, is never insulting, is very knowledgeable and is pretty smart. 

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[Brent Meeker]

On 1/14/2025 7:03 AM, Alan Grayson wrote:

On Tuesday, January 14, 2025 at 7:38:56 AM UTC-7 John Clark wrote:

On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 7:27 AM Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote:

 > If both happened at the same time, we'd have a paradox, but they don't. 

So what are we arguing about? 

 

John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis

We were arguing about is whether I ever changed my mind. Quentin doesn't believe I did. What do you say? AG

More important is this: if fitting and not fitting do not  happen at the same time,

They do happen at the same time as clearly shown on my diagrams.  In the garage frame the entrance door closes before the exit door has to open.  The car is in the garage for about 2.5 nano-seconds.  In the car frame the doors are open at the same time so the car extends thru both.

Brent

[Alan Grayson]

Interesting. Then why does Clark say the paradox exists if the fitting occurs simultaneously in both frames, and from that I inferred that the simultaneity arguments shows they don't and that's the resolution? AG 

[Alan Grayson]

On Tuesday, January 14, 2025 at 11:55:29 AM UTC-7 John Clark wrote:

On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 10:03 AM Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote:

 > if fitting and not fitting do not  happen at the same time, how does this resolve the paradox?

Fitting in the garage means there was a moment when the front of the car was fully in the garage while simultaneously the back of the car was also fully in the garage, if you and I disagree about simultaneity then logically we will disagree about whether the car can fit in the garage or not. So there is no paradox, just a strange situation. If my answer does not satisfy you may I suggest this, ask your question to Claude , he is infinitely patient, is never insulting, is very knowledgeable and is pretty smart. 

John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis

If Brent is right that fitting and not filtting occur at the same, then you and Claude are mistaken about what the simultaneity argument shows. AG

[Alan Grayson]

I meant to write, "Then why does Clark say the paradox exists if the fitting AND NOT FITTING occurs simultaneously in both frames, and from that I inferred that the simultaneity arguments shows they don't and that's the resolution?"