Not only has AI passed the Turing Test it has blown past it!

[John Clark]

An article in the May 19 2025 issue of the journal Nature reports that if GPT-4 knows just a few facts about the person it is talking to then it is 64% better than a human with similar information at convincing another person that their conspiracy theory is wrong, and to do that the AI had to use more than just logic because the conspiracy theory was not originally caused by logic.  

"The results showed that when neither debater — human nor AI — had access to background information on their opponent, GPT-4 and people were about equally persuasive. But if the basic demographic information from the initial surveys was given to the opponents before the debate, GPT-4 out-argued humans 64% of the time. When provided with even just this very minimal information, GPT-4 was significantly more persuasive than humans. It was quite simple stuff that normally can also be found online in social-media profiles.”

AI is more persuasive than people in online debates

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[Cosmin Visan]

It passed for retarded people. I am yet to find an AI that after 1 question I cannot figure them out. Is so trivial: just ask them some philosophical questions, see how they start to delirate.

[Brent Meeker]

I suspect that the fact that the participants could in most cases tell they were arguing with an AI is very significant.  If you lose the argument to an AI it just means you were persuaded.  If you lose to a person they are "one up" on you.  They may be trying to sell you something beyond the argument.

Brent

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[John Clark]

On Wed, May 21, 2025 at 2:33 PM Brent Meeker <meeke...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I suspect that the fact that the participants could in most cases tell they were arguing with an AI is very significant. 

The only way they could tell is by noting that they were talking with something that was smarter, more knowledgeable and had a much much quicker mind than any human being. And nothing is more difficult than trying to convince somebody that their silly conspiracy theory is untrue, yet the AI was often able to do it. 

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An article in the May 19 2025 issue of the journal Nature reports that if GPT-4 knows just a few facts about the person it is talking to then it is 64% better than a human with similar information at convincing another person that their conspiracy theory is wrong, and to do that the AI had to use more than just logic because the conspiracy theory was not originally caused by logic.  

"The results showed that when neither debater — human nor AI — had access to background information on their opponent, GPT-4 and people were about equally persuasive. But if the basic demographic information from the initial surveys was given to the opponents before the debate, GPT-4 out-argued humans 64% of the time. When provided with even just this very minimal information, GPT-4 was significantly more persuasive than humans. It was quite simple stuff that normally can also be found online in social-media profiles.”

AI is more persuasive than people in online debates

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[Brent Meeker]

On 5/21/2025 11:49 AM, John Clark wrote:

On Wed, May 21, 2025 at 2:33 PM Brent Meeker <meeke...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I suspect that the fact that the participants could in most cases tell they were arguing with an AI is very significant. 

The only way they could tell is by noting that they were talking with something that was smarter, more knowledgeable and had a much much quicker mind than any human being. 

That's not my impression of AI's.  I notice they a loquacious, very polite, very patient, repetitive, and very organized.

Brent