An example of environmentalist non-seriousness

[John Clark]

This quote is from today's issue of the New York Times, it's about a company called BlueWave that has found a way to use the same land for both farming and solar cell electrical production, and environmentalists oppose the idea of course:

"chapters of the Audubon nonprofit environmental organization have been vocal about the technology’s potential effect on wildlife. Michelle Manion, the vice president of policy and advocacy for Mass Audubon (which is not affiliated with the National Audubon Society), said that while her organization supported renewable energy, including solar within farming operations, “we want to maximize the placement of ground-mounted solar on some of our lands that are the least ecologically sensitive first.” And there are general concerns that even with dual-use solar panels, arable land may be lost, though BlueWave says that the land can be reverted to pure agriculture uses once the solar leases — typically 20 to 30 years — expire."

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Solar done at 20-30 years means we either got fusion, or solar has failed . 

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[Lawrence Crowell]

We can place solar collectors above already built land. A mall or Wal Mart or the rest has photosynthetic dead area anyway.

LC

[Brent Meeker]

Yep, a lot of places they are putting solar panels up all over the parking lots.  This has the advantage of shading your car too.

Brent

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Any system that works we should use, and system this is too slow to build or is unperfectable for the marketplace should remain as a lab curiosity. One thing that jacks up price is imminent danger. For smokers, air pollution was a big, unknown, threat to health, that never got factored in, because the was in flavor country. "I'd walk a mile for a Camel." Like a coal miner getting black lung, when, if you didn't like smoking a miner lived a lot longer. 

So, yeah to solar be it rooftop or Agrovolttics. Batteries are roaring along technically. This is for purely, practical, long term human survival, and not because Gaia approves! The MSR thing has always been tempting for me because 1000's of years of solid electricity. Having said that, like fusion, its got to also creep out of the lab. I am very big with wind power at sea, which will start appearing along the US East Coast soon, as it has already proven a success north of Scotland. A possible dark horse live save would be the development of deep, hot rock, geothermal, now made accessible by technology.

lhttps://news.mit.edu/2022/quaise-energy-geothermal-0628

We'd be Quazy not to twy it! However, I must ask, does it cause earthquakes?

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[spudb...@aol.com]

We should follow this study as a baseline, and if we want to do empty parking lots, why not? Unless, that is, you considered this to be a faulty study? It comes down to the magic ultimate of using 50% or roof in the world to have a capability or producing 4.3 times the volts & BTU's we us with fossils and hydroelectric and nukes and nat gas every year. 

The downside would be bottlenecks in getting the minerals for PV panels, which I suspect will be tandem perovskite + polysilicon cells. This may be  beaten along the way by germanium or gallium arsenide, if we can ever gather up a bunch of those elements and compounds? 

Keeping human options open for survivals sake, there is no telling if, the big oil companies can come up with CO2 extractors, rendering CO2 or methane as a non-threat to human living? I am not counting on it, but engineers, chemists, & physicists, seem to come up with surprising things!

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