Re: Was, Re: The theology of number, (Now) The Universe Learns (not released on April 1st)

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Ah! But of course. Try looking a Big D, as a currently impossible to fix problem that needs to be solved. Then, apply brainwork  harvested from physics, to fix the problem. You see promise with storing information by freezing, and I look at recovering the data in-situ. Andrew Stringer sort of addressed the existential information problem a few years ago with his Lectures on the Infrared Structure of Gravity and Gauge Theory 2018. Now Strominger probably wouldn't embrace this contention, but we all have our preferences. He has a professional career to look after, especially at a time of censorship by his progressive fellows at university.

Anyway, so if true it appears that there is a data storage capacity baked into our local universe. To extract and re-create people places and things, has a high energy budget. One Russian transhumanist has mused that a Dyson Sphere would be an excellent energy capture mechanism for such a computationally assisted project. Funding such a project is a bit out of our range, living in an age where we have difficulty perfecting even solar panels, but sometime in the next millennia, a definite, maybe?

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On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 John Clark <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 6:50 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Religion acted as a psychological survival kit,

As in human sacrifice and war? Romans tortured Christians because they wouldn't worship their Gods, and when Christians gained power Christians tortured non-Christians because they wouldn't worship their God. In England Catholics tortured Protestants, and when Protestants took power protestants tortured Catholics. And most wars have a strong religious component, even World War 2; the leader of Germany hated the Jews and used that hatred as a political weapon to gain power, but without religion there wouldn't even be classes of people called "Jews" and "non-Jews" to hate and opppress because there would just be "people". As for the 911 attacks, well, I won't point out the obvious.

The following sewage is a quotation from a speech Adolf Hitler gave on April 12 1922:

"Today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. [...] My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."

From evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins's book The God Delusion:

 

“Rivers of medieval ink, not to mention blood, have been squandered over the 'mystery' of the Trinity, and in suppressing deviations such as the Arian heresy. Arius of Alexandria, in the fourth century AD, denied that Jesus was consubstantial (i.e. of the same substance or essence) with God. What on earth could that possibly mean, you are probably asking? Substance? What 'substance'? What exactly do you mean by 'essence'? 'Very little' seems the only reasonable reply. Yet the controversy split Christendom down the middle for a century, and the Emperor Constantine ordered that all copies of Arius's book should be burned. Splitting Christendom by splitting hairs - such has ever been the way of theology.”

> and it often still does for many. Not such a comfort for you or I, but that's what makes soccer games.

“Returning to humanity’s need for comfort, it is, of course, real, but isn’t there something childish in the belief that the universe owes us comfort, as of right?”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

> the majority of scientists hate this because it gets in their way.

They hate it because religion has always gotten in the way of finding the truth, and it always will. Some people prefer to live in ignorance and that's OK by me, that's their decision, I only get angry when they try to make me live there too. 

> They like atheism, they like when you are dead you are dead,

Well this atheist certainly doesn't like it that when you're dead you're dead, but this atheist dislikes self delusion even more.

John K Clark     See what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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