Trump says he's "not joking" about a third term

[John Clark]

On February 19, 2025 Donald Trump posted “LONG LIVE THE KING!" anr the following picture:

And just yesterday on Meet The Press Trump said he was "not joking" about having a third term and saying  “A lot of people want me to do it" and insisted there were "methods" of circumventing the Constitution.  One loophole that Trump followers claim would work is for JD Vance to run as president and Trump as vice president and then on day one of the Vance administration he resigns and Trump becomes president, he claims that would work because the 22nd amendment says you can't be "elected" for a third term but it doesn't say you can't "ascend" to the presidency for a third term. Of course that's a bullshit argument but that doesn't matter because the Supreme Court has no problem accepting bullshit arguments, provided it's pro Trump.  

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[Cosmin Visan]

Post traumatic woke syndrom. So, did you go to Snow Brown ?

[spudb...@aol.com]

My view is that ideology often obscures intellect, especially among scientists and engineers. In a manner that they cannot self-correct. The amygdala takes over, and, they're finished. I see it as an eclipse of sorts. 

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[Cosmin Visan]

My view is that humans have monkey-level IQ. Nothing to see, move along!

[John Clark]

On Mon, Mar 31, 2025 at 1:49 PM 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

On Monday, March 31, 2025 at 11:12:30 AM EDT, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>Post traumatic woke syndrom. So, did you go to Snow Brown ?

> My view is that ideology often obscures intellect, especially among scientists and engineers. In a manner that they cannot self-correct. The amygdala takes over, and, they're finished. I see it as an eclipse of sorts.

Spud, do you really identify more with creatures such as Cosmin Visan than with scientists and engineers?! My intellect tells me that Trump's tariffs are economic imbecility, what does your intellect tell you? Even the wall street journal, not exactly a bastion of wokeness and ultra left-wing politics, said that Trump was starting "The Dumbest Trade War in History". 

The Dumbest Trade War in History

However Trump's economic policies are not entirely without merit. Trump is all powerful today because Trump is so popular among Republicans that every Republican politician knows that if Trump so much as frowns at him his political life is over, so if he says jump they say how high.  But the quickest way for a president to lose popularity is for high inflation to start during his administration, and unless he makes a 180° turn that's exactly what his tariffs will cause. Trump  knows this tariffs will cause inflation but he said he "couldn't care less", he's too stupid to realize that if he loses his popularity republican politicians will no longer fear him and does he will lose his power over them.  

Trump says he ‘couldn’t care less’ if foreign automakers raise prices due to tariffs

 

woke Ness end of

[John Clark]

[spudb...@aol.com]

The diff between me and other of the futurists is that I don't think our species needs to worry about inventing Marvin Minsky's "Guy in a Box" but instead create neural nets, yes quantum, that identify breakthrough technology fast. That's what our species needs.  

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[spudb...@aol.com]

My political views take us way beyond the discussions of technology, physics, and cosmology. Your team does fine with physics and engineering, but gets eclipsed by never desiring to answer this question: Where does it get us? On the other hand consciousness, according to Penrose & Hameroff, do see the Universe as a conscious system (I concur), and passion is a motivator.  On the past government you prefer, there is this wee concern of  4.7 Trillion gone unidentifed at Treasury.

DOGE Raises Alarm Over $4.7 Trillion 'Almost Impossible' to Trace - Newsweek

DOGE raises alarm over $4.7 trillion "almost impossible" to trace Elon Musk's team said the identification codes for certain federal payments had been left blank.

Lots of cash for R&D spent on bribing foreign  politicians or feathering the nests of Dem Pol children. (Sigh). I checked, and this phenomena/claim hasn't been refuted, yet!

So, in conclusion, passion drives us all. If Donald's policies fail in the real-world, and a larger percentage of the population feel it, he will get rejected. Alternatively, we might all do better, splitting the US into two nation states? Because we agree on nothing obviously. 

Cheers!

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[Cosmin Visan]

@Spudb. Consciousness is God knowing itself. I am God. See my papers, like "How Self-Reference Builds the World": https://philpeople.org/profiles/cosmin-visan

[John Clark]

On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 11:04 AM 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Your team does fine with physics and engineering, but gets eclipsed by never desiring to answer this question: Where does it get us?

What politicians should get you is economic security, but imposing ridiculously high tariffs will do exactly the opposite, it's a lose-lose proposition, it hurts foreign countries and it hurts us just as much. Trump claims tariffs will cause a trade surplus but there is no evidence of that. Germany and France have exactly the same tariffs but Germany had a trade surplus last year of €186 billion, while France had a trade deficit of €44 billion. And why is a trade deficit a bad thing? I run a trade deficit with Amazon, I send them money and they give me goods, but they have never sent me any money, so should I get mad at Amazon and stop doing business with them?

Another thing a good politician should get us is peace, but Trump is picking a fight with our closest friends, Canada because it doesn't want to become the 51st state and Denmark because it won't give us Greenland of all places. And that's not all,  when Trump introduced the new F 47 fighter plane he said the version of it that he sold to America's allies would be deliberately downgraded “because someday, maybe they’re not our allies.” After that NATO nations started to reconsider multibillion dollar contracts to Buy F 35s, fearing American control over parts and software. 

After Trump was elected and America's new hostility to foreigners began Brazil increased trade with China and is doing it in China’s currency, not the dollar.  Poland, South Korea and Australia are seriously discussing making their own nuclear weapons. A free trade and technology deal between the European Union and India suddenly accelerated after years of delays. Trump threatens to send the U.S. military into Mexico and Panama to take control of the canal, and he won't rule out going to war with Denmark, a NATO ally, so he could take over Greenland.  

And Trump blames Ukraine for the war that Russia started. Thanks to Trump the USA will soon have only one friend in the entire world, Vladimir Fucking Putin! 

 

 > there is this wee concern of  4.7 Trillion gone unidentifed at Treasury.

That claim was made by Marjorie Taylor Greene, and if you believe one word that ignoramus says there is some swampland in Florida I'd like to sell you. And Elon Musk's DOGE claims it has cut between $500 billion and $1 trillion in “waste, fraud and abuse”, but the true figure is 6 billion, 2 billion comes from ending diversity and climate change programs, and the other 4 billion from cutting medical research, do you really want to argue that is a good idea?

Not even close to true

Oh and just a few minutes ago I learned that Trump and Musk have fired 10,000 people who worked at the Center For Disease Control and the Food And Drug Administration; after all, we don't need to control disease, and who cares if our food has rat turds in it. Also dear leader Trump has decreed that the funding for the Smithsonian Institution, the best museum in the world, will be cut because it had “improper ideology”

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[Cosmin Visan]

The end is near!

[Brent Meeker]

"It is unclear where DOGE obtained these figures, which have not been verified by Newsweek."

Does that include the 8 billion that was 8 million with a few extra zeros?

Brent

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[Russell Standish]

On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 02:34:25PM -0400, John Clark wrote:
> After Trump was elected and America's new hostility to foreigners began Brazil
> increased trade with China and is doing it in China’s currency, not the
> dollar.  Poland, South Korea and Australia are seriously discussing making
> their own nuclear weapons.

Not true. Australia has just started the discussion about getting
nuclear power plants. It probably won't go down well, but it has
nothing to do with weapons. Also there is an agreement to buy some
nuclear _powered_ subs from you guys, which may be in doubt now with
Trump's antics. If that deal crashes and burns, we'll probably go back
to France to buy them - we're not going to build them from scratch.


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[spudb...@aol.com]

I used to hit Philpapers not people a few years ago. I go for materilaism, dualism, monism. - whatever does the job. Your self-reference paper seems to be butressed by Penrose & Hameroff. For me, if I am God, I'm doing a really awful job. Maybe I get picked up trillions of years from now, by Tipler's Omega Point, and Shroedingers sinle mind? 

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[spudb...@aol.com]

To the Globalist dictatorship, we'll need tariffs to de-finance it. Donald and Zelinzky are chums this week, Z accepted Don's terms. Now, Putin is on the shot list. 

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Great point!

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Lifted....

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How do we know that an entirely new piece of matter, having the same quantum state, would be identical to the person before teleportation? Well, we do and we don’t. We don’t because we haven’t done the teleportation experiment with humans. But we do, in the sense that – as far as we know at present – the quantum state fully captures all the aspects of a physical system. When we teleport individual atoms, they behave the same before and after the teleportation 😊.

For instance, whatever test we perform on the teleported human, the result should be indistinguishable from their unteleported version. For starters, the teleported version would look and behave exactly as the original. But, if there is nothing more to it than the quantum state, their feelings, memories, and so on would be identical too. Their introspection after the teleportation would not reveal anything out of the ordinary (“I went into the teleporter, and here I am now on the other side of the galaxy”).

Derek Parfit was an Oxford philosopher who became famous for using sci-fi scenarios like teleportation (albeit non-quantum) to illustrate various apparent paradoxes related to the notion of personal identity. His book “Reasons and Persons” explores it at great length.

For instance, Parfit envisages a scenario in which your brain is sliced into two and the two hemispheres are then put into two other human bodies. Since each feels like you, remembers things like you, acts like you, and so on, does it mean that there are now two of you? Parfit also considered the opposite process. Rather than splitting you into two, you can take the two copies of you and fuse them into one. Would that now still be you even though the two copies could have led separate lives before the fusion?

This leads to an interesting question: could two different persons occupy one and the same body? Parfit says “yes” (and the directors Alfred Hitchcock and Brian de Palma surely agree with him). Parfit thought that personal identity is not fundamental. All we require is some kind of continuity of memories, perceptions, and general feelings that it is still us, not much different from the person we remember existed last year or twenty years ago or as a child.

But Parfit was a philosopher largely unaware of quantum physics and he wrote about all these ideas in the sixties and seventies well before quantum teleportation was discovered. So, it would be interesting to add a quantum twist to his scenarios.

Enter Schrödinger. Imagine a person (not a cat) witnessing an atom spontaneously emitting a photon. Since this is a quantum process, this person sees the atom emit in one branch of the superposition and not emit in the other branch. And quantum physics says both branches are real and exist in a quantum superposition.

Now, is the person in each branch the same as the person before the observation? If you talked to them they would definitely confirm this. Each remembers the times before observing the atom and all the past memories are identical for both copies. The only difference is that they now see two different things, one sees a photon and the other doesn’t. But surely a small event like this cannot really change their identity (we know this because we observe things all the time that could have been otherwise and we ourselves always feel the same; no discontinuities here, unless you suffer from a psychological disorder).

In each branch the person continues in the usual fashion and does different things. They could end up living very different lives simply as a result of one quantum event of the kind described.

So far so good. But we also know that in quantum mechanics we can interfere the two branches. This would be the quantum equivalent of Parfit’s fusion thought experiment. One way of doing this is to reverse the observation of the atomic emission. In other words, the person would undergo a time-reversal transformation in which case, their end state would be the same as at the beginning of the experiment!

In this case, the person would not remember any observation of anything else that happened to either of their copies in the two branches. It’s as though the experiment never took place (other than, of course, the person performing the experiment who could tell you all about it at the end). The funny thing is (and I always found this fascinating) there is nothing problematic with any of this. No paradoxes, inconsistencies, and such, despite the fact that all these possibilities sound fantastical.

I sure would love to see a psychologist, psychiatrist, or neuro-scientist study the quantum notion of self. If you are curious about it yourself, many more of these and related issues are discussed in my upcoming book “Portals to A New Reality”.

Take care of yourselves,

Vlatko

[Cosmin Visan]

@Spudb. My theory has nothing to do with Hameroff. Give me a quote from him where he talks about self-reference. Trolo-lolo. Also, you don't understand what God is.

[John Clark]

On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 11:57 AM 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> To the Globalist dictatorship, we'll need tariffs to de-finance it. Donald and Zelinzky are chums this week, Z accepted Don's terms. Now, Putin is on the shot list. 

If somebody put a gun to my head I couldn't tell them what the above means. 

[Brent Meeker]

There are a lot inconsistencies and impossibilities in these thought experiments.  First, human consciousness is not a quantum phenomenon.  The brain is too hot and wet to maintain quantum coherence, Max Tegmark wrote a paper about this years ago.  Second, the brain is not isolated, it's part of a system which it depends on and it is subject to.

Brent

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Correct, I don't know what God is! I will try to scrap up some readungs from Penrose and Hammeroff later today. Adios!

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[spudb...@aol.com]

I'd have to try and persuade you about the factuals, regarding say, the EU, the WEF, and Socialist International. I am doubtful you are mentally in a place where (using sources-not my own blatherings) as evidence, based on your commentary regarding Covid-19, remember? The Great Paxlovid War of Ought 22? Probally not. 

You were opposed. Thus proving my Mantra that Ideology Eclipses Intellect. The WEF and Canada and Aus support this ideology, stripped from the Left-escounced pages of Wiki. Lets do this as a starter point. First Paxlovid.

Types of COVID-19 Treatment | COVID-19 | CDC

Types of COVID-19 Treatment Learn about the types of COVID-19 treatments, symptom management, and recovery.

Then Wiki!. This is basicaally, you Democrats, all of Europe, etc, and billionaires Soros, and Klaus Schwab, the UN, and the EU and the WEF. The article is not Anti, but it explains your ideology, which is inflexible of course!

Socialist International - Wikipedia

I am too traditionlst to for what the Donald advocates economically. But am agreeable to try something radical as the previous decades worked for the US in a sketchy manner, and as Europe willingly succumbs to Jihad. 

Now the Donald has turned against Putin un the last 24 hours because he is NOT ideological. Take a gander? Via Rubio. 

BREAKING: Rubio says Russia has broken the partial ceasefire several times & that it will become clear in a couple of weeks whether Russia is ready for peace or just stalling for time. If so, the US will reconsider its position ”Trump won’t participate in endless negotiations”

Also China has vastyly invested in both Canada and Mexico, which efffectively negated the North American Free Trade Agreement that Bill Clinton signed in 93 I believe? They are Chinese dupes now, governmentally. 

So? So, it means when The Facts on the Ground Change, Donald changes with it, Be it Europe or China? You do not. The Democratic Leader Do Not! You're all Ideologists. This is why I left the Democrats many years ago. Their Ideological Inflexibilty. 

But if we cannot chat rationally about Paxlovid, internal politics, national voting, physics may nit be in the cards. 

Be well, John. 

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[spudb...@aol.com]

I would say yes we are not t the QC's being built in labs and chilled down to -250, no. What we are, equals quantun field effect processing. Below is a 2021 paper, and yes, I am going Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff on you, because I give creedence to what they have written and said. If Vedral buys in to this or not, and you don't, no worries.

Quantum and Electromagnetic Fields in Our Universe and Brain: A New Perspective to Comprehend Brain Function - PMC

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