Re: Was, Re: The theology of number, (Now) The Universe Learns (not released on April 1st)

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Jun 21, 2021, 8:03:55 PM6/21/21
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From what I was able to see, there surely wasn't 30k at or near the capital, even if they all desired revolution. In either case to stage a revolt there's need to be 100 times your 30k number. If you are correct about Trump's low level of intelligence, then in history, the man stumbled into the US presidency and then stumbled back out.    Now that would be some anomaly!

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On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 4:18 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> If he did want an Overthrow as you passionately state, then sending 2-5 million people into DC would have better assured this rather than 500< schmucks.

About an hour before Trump's thugs broke into the capital Trump gave an inflammatory speech to about 30,000 schmucks not 500, and postulating what would've been a smart thing for Trump to do is irrelevant because Trump is not smart.  

> You are really bending the paperclip way out of shape if you accuse Trump of being part of a cabal and then screwing up his "Permanent Presidency."

On December 19 Trump tweeted that it  was “statistically impossible” for him to have lost the presidential election and told his zombie hordes that they would be a “big protest in DC on 6 January" and ordered them to “Be there, it will be wild!”

On January 1  Republican Congressman  Louie Gohmert said "You have no remedy’. You have to go to the streets and be as violent as Antifa.”

On January 6 in a warm-up act Trumps lawyer Rudy Giuliani told a crowd of 30,000 "let’s have trial by combat.

We will not take it any more” .

In the main event on January 6 Trump told the crowd "we won this election, and we won it by a landslide". You don't concede when there's theft involved. Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore. You will have an illegitimate president. That is what you will have, and we can't let that happen.If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore. You’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong … I know everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building. We're going to walk down to the Capitol and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them.


Trump was lying of course, he was too cowardly to march with them, Trump went back to hide in the safety of the White House

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John Clark

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> From what I was able to see, there surely wasn't 30k at or near the capital, even if they all desired revolution. In either case to stage a revolt there's need to be 100 times your 30k number.

No. If they are in the right place at the right time one tenth that number would be more than sufficient to have a successful coup d'état, and the Capitol Building in Washington DC on January 6, 2021 was just such a time and place. And It is no coincidence that is when and where Donald Trump chose to give the most inflammatory speech of his life and whip a mob into a frenzy and order them to march on the Capitol Building. And it almost worked, if the capital police had been a few minutes slower Trump's thugs could have not only stopped the certification for the next President they could have held the entire US house of representatives, the entire US Senate, and the Vice President of the United States hostage. Or they could've decided to just hang them all. They were all terrified, even being a Republican fascist dimwit was no guarantee of safety from a mob filled with adrenaline and bloodlust. Remember  U.S. Rep. Andrew Clyde who claimed the mob was just acting like respectful tourists, well that certainly wasn't the way he felt on January 6! There are pictures of him frantically piling up furniture to block a doorway in an attempt to stop the rampaging mob from getting their hands on him.

A Republican congressman who denied there was an insurrection and likened Capitol rioters to tourists was photographed barricading the chamber doors against them

 

> If you are correct about Trump's low level of intelligence, then in history, the man stumbled into the US presidency and then stumbled back out.    Now that would be some anomaly!

To refute your contention that it takes intelligence to gain political power in the US I need only point to US congressman Louie Gohmert, the only man in Washington even stupider than Trump.

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Jun 22, 2021, 1:20:10 PM6/22/21
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Well, Louie is your guy (locally speaking) and his comment though, unrealistic, has been asked by a few planetary scientists (What if we could move the earth?), and the proposal for using aerosols to promote global cooling is well-known, so its never so far fetched for us science followers. He was idiotic to ask the US Forrest Service, I would've proposed the question to NASA. The riot at the Capitol smells to me like the Nazis using the mentally handicapped guy for the Reichstag Fire. Word has it that the FBI had infiltrated both the protestors and Antifa well beforehand because it was easy. The greatest threat that day was as in every riot zone, arson. That the protestors were let in that day, by the Cap police, shows some planning behind the madness. Same with the city riots during 2020. They were permitted, so as,  to "let off steam," and to oppose their own "troops" was not in DNC interests either. 

To topple the government successfully you'd have needed a Trump refusal to leave office, and a call to arms, a real one, by Orange Man. You still have not produced a convincing line of events to explain Trumps success in 2016 or his failure in 2020? For me, I would've said, had I remained a democrat, that "yeah, his personality got to people," "they didn't like living in plague-ville and took it out on him," and Joe seemed nicer and promised "free stuff," and who doesn't like free stuff?

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"As democracy is perfected, the office of the president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people.  On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
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Yeah sure! The  ruthless, maniacal, Hitler Clone was so stupid that he went quietly from office? Ummmm..ok! Yeah. Trump is the democrats' Emanuel Goldstein, now that's too funny. 

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> Yeah sure! The  ruthless, maniacal, Hitler Clone was so stupid that he went quietly from office?
 
Trump most certainly did not go quietly from office! And Trump is more of a Mussolini clone than a Hitler clone.
 
 > Trump is the democrats' Emanuel Goldstein, now that's too funny. 

Speaking of things that are funny, it was Donald Trump. not Emanuel Goldstein., who ordered the justice department  to make Saturday Night Live and other late night comedians stop making fun of him.  It didn't work. 

TRUMP TRIED TO GET THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO STOP SNL FROM MAKING FUN OF HIM

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Lawrence Crowell

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On Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 1:29:38 PM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Yeah sure! The  ruthless, maniacal, Hitler Clone was so stupid that he went quietly from office?
 
Trump most certainly did not go quietly from office! And Trump is more of a Mussolini clone than a Hitler clone.
 

Seconded. t'Rump did not concede the election and still insists he won. He was the instigator of the mob assault on the Capital. The intention was to overthrow Congress and annul the election results. In that way he would by extra-Constitutional means retain office and in effect overthrow a democratically elected government. 

Mussolini tends to get the butt of jokes, but in many ways he was intelligent. In fact he started out as a socialist, but realized those with the money would oppose socialism, so he turned to fascism. He also wrote some part documents that had a measure of intelligent thinking behind them, this is intelligence relative to the fact fascism is pretty stupid. Italy suffered from being technologically behind the rest of the mainline nations of Europe, such as England and France, and certainly Germany. As the car company Fiat was jokingly said to mean Fix It Again Tony, when Italy invaded Greece in March 1941 their mechanized units stalled and the Greeks took great advantage of this and chased them back to Albania. Mussolini though was a lot smarter than t'Rump.
 

 > Trump is the democrats' Emanuel Goldstein, now that's too funny. 

Speaking of things that are funny, it was Donald Trump. not Emanuel Goldstein., who ordered the justice department  to make Saturday Night Live and other late night comedians stop making fun of him.  It didn't work. 

If there is a comparison to a real person with Emmanuel Goldstein in Orwell's 1984, that person would be George Soros. In the lexicon of the idiotic right wing Soros has become identified with a range of international conspiracies against USA and so forth.

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Jun 23, 2021, 4:18:02 PM6/23/21
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John, My response is that if he as Variety reported, he tried to get the hounds after SNL, all be it, unfunny propagandists, he comes across more as not a Mussolini, nor a Hitler, but a pussy. So, sensitive cowards don't run the Reich, John, my good man, As Harry Trumann said, "If ya can't take the heat get out of the kitchen." So, to tell ya the truth, he couldn't take the heat, so he got out of the kitchen. He walked out and left the rest of us rolling to a civil war. But, as something to make you happy, go ahead and whack him good! You didn't nail adolf, mussolini or joe stalin (team lib heardly ever mentions the commie killers?) you nailed, Pee Wee Herman, it seems. This is so funny, I forgot to laugh.


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The main thing the Orange dude didn't. He didn't overwhelm the establishment, he didn't control the crowd, he didn't lead. If John is correct and 30k arrived at the capital in protest, surely, a tiny fraction actually went in. You cannot strategically or tactically take-over with 500 poorly unarmed dunces. They can set fire to the buildings, just like the British did in the War of 1812, but would it have allowed Don to rule forever?  Not bloody likely, as somebody from the UK might intone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington

The democrats are doing a 1933 Reichstag Fire in order to see if they can get away with it is my suspicion. Just like like they tried with the Putin thing, and failed, Stormy Daniels, as well as with Hillary and MI-5 spy, Johnathan Steele-fake Fusion. Fail. 
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> You cannot strategically or tactically take-over with 500 poorly unarmed dunces. They can set fire to the buildings, just like the British did in the War of 1812,   [...] The democrats are doing a 1933 Reichstag Fire

Speaking of Emanuel Goldstein and 1984… remember that "we are at war with east Asia, we have always been at war with east Asia"  thing, well you're trying to rewrite history in the same way Big Brother did in that book. The fact is nobody was in the building when the Reichstag burned, and unlike the case when Trump's thugs took over, when the British occupied the Capital building in 1814 the entire US House of Representatives, the entire US Senate, and the Vice President of the United States were not in the building at the time, and the occupation did not interfere with the official counting of the electoral votes for the next president  as the US constitution demands. That event was an unforgivable obscenity and there is absolutely no doubt that  the man responsible for it is Donald J Trump.     

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Nope John, I am simply stating that progressives require The Donald as a common enemy, a symbol they can unify against, get passionate over, get the team, the tribe, in lin. Just as the  Eng Soc Party in 1984 would have their screamfest held each day and howl at the telescreen, to get the workers to show their support for  Big Brother. Neither Big Brother, nor Goldstein really existed in the 1984 world, because as O'Brien admitted to Winston Smith, his prisoner, the Party needed them to rally everyone. 

Meanwhile, Trumpy just forced Kamala's hand over the border policy by saying he will show up on the open border there. Is he a moron by visiting your fine state of Texas for doing this? Kamala wouldn't even go near the open border for months. Now she is going down there, amazing!  She must have been very busy John. Very, very, busy indeed, not to have visited months ago? Lots of work, you know?

Dems say that Don was a huge menace. Ok. These are same people who are dead silent over the screamingly high increased crime rates in their dem cities, embracing the Defund the Police push. Policies have its impact, let  me tell you.



Yeah, NPR, it was just the pandemic. Darn that Don guy! (eyes rolling).


Do you think that this could be a feature in next years campaign's John? Golly, Joe does too, now....

John, Joe, will try to use this as an excuse to make his fellow democrats feel that they can go ahead and disarm people, and crime will disappear, massively!!  I don't know about you, but I say mum's the word. Let us not try and persuade the President by instead focusing on the thugs who make money pulling the triggers. Hush, please!

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> I am simply stating that progressives require The Donald as a common enemy, a symbol they can unify against, get passionate over,

Well Trump's brainless antics sure didn't make it difficult for progressives to find something to unite against, and not just progressives, anybody who had sufficient IQ points to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Among many other things Trump bungled the response to a pandemic that resulted in the deaths of over 600,000 people, and in a desperate attempt to stay in power after losing a presidential election gave an inflammatory and treasonous speech on the steps of the White House and ordered 30,000 ignorant followers to march on the Capitol Building just 3 miles away where they proceeded to occupy the building, smear feces on the walls, ransack the Senate chamber, try to hang the vice president, and forced the entire legislative branch of the federal government to run for their lives.  

It turns out that some things have consequences, who would've thought? A recent poll gave President Biden a 56% approval rating, Trump never came close to breaking the 50% barrier at any point during his presidency and he never won the popular vote in either of his two presidential elections.  And the poll came from Fox News of all places, although I don't expect the empty headed conspiracy bots in their prime time lineup will mention that fact much.

Biden gets 56 percent approval rating in Fox News poll

> Neither Big Brother, nor Goldstein really existed in the 1984

And that's not the only thing that never really existed, the same could be said for Fox New's venerable "War On Christmas" or their newest "War on Dr. Seuss". The most recent turd the conspiracy machine managed to squeez out is that Bill Gates put microchips in vaccine shots, of course that is a complete fantasy but you'd never know that from right wing media.

> Joe, will try to use this as an excuse to make his fellow democrats feel that they can go ahead and disarm people

Hmm... I don't know if it's correct or not but I picture you as living in a unabomber style shack in the middle of Idaho with your shotgun and your MAGA hat.  

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Spud's mind has clearly gone a bit gang oft agley, though that has been happening to a lot of people of late. Tony Carey wrote about these types --- The Strangers.


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