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Maz.
Mar 12, 2022, 8:16:55โฏAM3/12/22
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Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
problem with the NG program?
problem with the NG program?
Ray Banana
Mar 12, 2022, 9:25:46โฏAM3/12/22
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On 10420 September 1993, Maz. wrote:
> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
> problem with the NG program?
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180
> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
> problem with the NG program?
Yes.
--
Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.
http://www.eternal-september.org
Pancho
Mar 12, 2022, 11:04:17โฏAM3/12/22
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On 12/03/2022 13:16, Maz. wrote:
> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
> problem with the NG program?
>
>sรฌ
> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
> problem with the NG program?
>
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Mar 12, 2022, 12:00:08โฏPM3/12/22
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 16:04:16, Pancho <Pancho.Do...@outlook.com>
wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
characters - i. e. codes outside the range 32 to 126) _in the subject
line_ - which is irritating as it will _output_ posts that contain them
(presumably that it has received from its peers), so if you follow-up
such a post _that you've downloaded from E-S itself_, it bounces. [If it
didn't _relay_ such posts, or changed (or deleted) those characters in
the subject lines before relaying them, that would be better. But its
free, so we shouldn't complain!]
>> sฤ
As that shows, it's happy with them _in the body of the post_.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
1. If it's green, it's biology
2. If it smells, it's chemistry
3. If it doesn't work, it's physics.
wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>On 12/03/2022 13:16, Maz. wrote:
>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>> problem with the NG program?
Not _your_ news client, no. It (E-S) won't accept them (non-ASCII
>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>> problem with the NG program?
characters - i. e. codes outside the range 32 to 126) _in the subject
line_ - which is irritating as it will _output_ posts that contain them
(presumably that it has received from its peers), so if you follow-up
such a post _that you've downloaded from E-S itself_, it bounces. [If it
didn't _relay_ such posts, or changed (or deleted) those characters in
the subject lines before relaying them, that would be better. But its
free, so we shouldn't complain!]
>> sฤ
As that shows, it's happy with them _in the body of the post_.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
1. If it's green, it's biology
2. If it smells, it's chemistry
3. If it doesn't work, it's physics.
William Unruh
Mar 12, 2022, 1:05:46โฏPM3/12/22
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On 2022-03-12, J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 16:04:16, Pancho <Pancho.Do...@outlook.com>
> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>On 12/03/2022 13:16, Maz. wrote:
>>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>>> problem with the NG program?
>
> Not _your_ news client, no. It (E-S) won't accept them (non-ASCII
> characters - i. e. codes outside the range 32 to 126) _in the subject
> line_ - which is irritating as it will _output_ posts that contain them
> (presumably that it has received from its peers), so if you follow-up
> such a post _that you've downloaded from E-S itself_, it bounces. [If it
> didn't _relay_ such posts, or changed (or deleted) those characters in
> the subject lines before relaying them, that would be better. But its
> free, so we shouldn't complain!]
I am confused. I have seen posts with a whole string of Emojis (Ie UTP
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 16:04:16, Pancho <Pancho.Do...@outlook.com>
> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>On 12/03/2022 13:16, Maz. wrote:
>>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>>> problem with the NG program?
>
> Not _your_ news client, no. It (E-S) won't accept them (non-ASCII
> characters - i. e. codes outside the range 32 to 126) _in the subject
> line_ - which is irritating as it will _output_ posts that contain them
> (presumably that it has received from its peers), so if you follow-up
> such a post _that you've downloaded from E-S itself_, it bounces. [If it
> didn't _relay_ such posts, or changed (or deleted) those characters in
> the subject lines before relaying them, that would be better. But its
> free, so we shouldn't complain!]
symbols) in the subject. on etenal-september.test, so it seems to me
that ES does accept UTF characters, which include accented letters.
>
>>> sรฌ
Adam H. Kerman
Mar 12, 2022, 1:18:27โฏPM3/12/22
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Ray Banana <ray...@raybanana.net> wrote:
>On 10420 September 1993, Maz. wrote:
>>Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>>problem with the NG program?
>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180
>Yes.
That newsreader is incapable of formatting a standards-compliant and
>On 10420 September 1993, Maz. wrote:
>>Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>>problem with the NG program?
>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180
>Yes.
conventional News article. It declared format=flowed. The author wrote
one paragraph. Both the internal line and last line ended with trailing
spaces. It's not that difficult a standard to comply with.
The last line of a paragraph MUST NOT end with a trailing space as
that's how the standard defines a paragraph boundary: a line ending with
a character without trailing space and then the line boundary.
David W. Hodgins
Mar 12, 2022, 1:25:14โฏPM3/12/22
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Regards, Dave Hodgins
David W. Hodgins
Mar 12, 2022, 1:27:59โฏPM3/12/22
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characters in the subject properly.
My newsreader automatically replaced the ascii text with
"Subject: Re: =?utf-8?Q?Accented_letters_=C3=99=C3=9A=C3=9B=C3=9C?="
Regards, Dave Hodgins
Adam H. Kerman
Mar 12, 2022, 1:32:46โฏPM3/12/22
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William Unruh <un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>I am confused. I have seen posts with a whole string of Emojis (Ie UTP
>symbols) in the subject. on etenal-september.test, so it seems to me
>that ES does accept UTF characters, which include accented letters.
Oh, c'mon. That's encoded text using pure ASCII. After all these
>I am confused. I have seen posts with a whole string of Emojis (Ie UTP
>symbols) in the subject. on etenal-september.test, so it seems to me
>that ES does accept UTF characters, which include accented letters.
decades, you've never heard of encoded word? RFC 2047 was published
November 1996.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2047
Non-ASCII characters MUST NOT be used on headers, period, and if any
are, I hope Ray would refuse to inject the article.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Mar 12, 2022, 1:44:54โฏPM3/12/22
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 13:27:41, David W. Hodgins
<dwho...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
I don't get from E-S with this client and they've appeared, but often
got bounces when I've followed-up posts that contain them on ones that I
do (I think the commonest culprits are "smart quotes" that some clients
- I think those on tablets - use by default). So, very odd!
ASCII never officially extended to include them.)
>"Subject: Re: =?utf-8?Q?Accented_letters_=C3=99=C3=9A=C3=9B=C3=9C?="
It did more than replace the modified Us: it prepended something.
Presumably some clients would recognise that and reparse.
>
>Regards, Dave Hodgins
John
- Stephen Fry on "The Da Vinci Code"
<dwho...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 13:25:05 -0500, David W. Hodgins
><dwho...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 13:05:45 -0500, William Unruh <un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-12, J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 16:04:16, Pancho <Pancho.Do...@outlook.com>
>>>> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>>>> On 12/03/2022 13:16, Maz. wrote:
>>>>>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you
>>>>>>think it's a
>>>>>> problem with the NG program?
>>>>
>>>> Not _your_ news client, no. It (E-S) won't accept them (non-ASCII
>>>> characters - i. e. codes outside the range 32 to 126) _in the subject
>>>> line_ - which is irritating as it will _output_ posts that contain them
>>>> (presumably that it has received from its peers), so if you follow-up
>>>> such a post _that you've downloaded from E-S itself_, it bounces. [If it
>>>> didn't _relay_ such posts, or changed (or deleted) those characters in
>>>> the subject lines before relaying them, that would be better. But its
>>>> free, so we shouldn't complain!]
>>>
>>> I am confused. I have seen posts with a whole string of Emojis (Ie UTP
>>> symbols) in the subject. on etenal-september.test, so it seems to me
>>> that ES does accept UTF characters, which include accented letters.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> sู
><dwho...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 13:05:45 -0500, William Unruh <un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-12, J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 16:04:16, Pancho <Pancho.Do...@outlook.com>
>>>> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>>>> On 12/03/2022 13:16, Maz. wrote:
>>>>>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you
>>>>>>think it's a
>>>>>> problem with the NG program?
>>>>
>>>> Not _your_ news client, no. It (E-S) won't accept them (non-ASCII
>>>> characters - i. e. codes outside the range 32 to 126) _in the subject
>>>> line_ - which is irritating as it will _output_ posts that contain them
>>>> (presumably that it has received from its peers), so if you follow-up
>>>> such a post _that you've downloaded from E-S itself_, it bounces. [If it
>>>> didn't _relay_ such posts, or changed (or deleted) those characters in
>>>> the subject lines before relaying them, that would be better. But its
>>>> free, so we shouldn't complain!]
>>>
>>> I am confused. I have seen posts with a whole string of Emojis (Ie UTP
>>> symbols) in the subject. on etenal-september.test, so it seems to me
>>> that ES does accept UTF characters, which include accented letters.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As that shows, it's happy with them _in the body of the post_.
>>
>> Let's see if this goes through with ุธุนุบู added to the subject.
>>
>
>And it did, so it's just a matter of the news client not supporting the
>accented
>characters in the subject properly.
Interesting! I've followed-up posts with non-ASCII characters in 'groups
>And it did, so it's just a matter of the news client not supporting the
>accented
>characters in the subject properly.
I don't get from E-S with this client and they've appeared, but often
got bounces when I've followed-up posts that contain them on ones that I
do (I think the commonest culprits are "smart quotes" that some clients
- I think those on tablets - use by default). So, very odd!
>
>My newsreader automatically replaced the ascii text with
(Strictly, not ASCII - a lot of people call it "extended ASCII", but
>My newsreader automatically replaced the ascii text with
ASCII never officially extended to include them.)
>"Subject: Re: =?utf-8?Q?Accented_letters_=C3=99=C3=9A=C3=9B=C3=9C?="
It did more than replace the modified Us: it prepended something.
Presumably some clients would recognise that and reparse.
>
>Regards, Dave Hodgins
John
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
It is complete loose-stool-water, it is arse-gravy of the worst kind
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
- Stephen Fry on "The Da Vinci Code"
Ray Banana
Mar 12, 2022, 2:18:13โฏPM3/12/22
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On 10420 September 1993, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>"Subject: Re: =?utf-8?Q?Accented_letters_=C3=99=C3=9A=C3=9B=C3=9C?="
> It did more than replace the modified Us: it prepended
> something.
encoded-word = "=?" charset "?" encoding "?" encoded-text "?="
>>"Subject: Re: =?utf-8?Q?Accented_letters_=C3=99=C3=9A=C3=9B=C3=9C?="
> It did more than replace the modified Us: it prepended
> something.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2047#section-2
> Presumably some clients would recognise that and reparse.
User agents MUST meet the definition of MIME conformance in [RFC2049]
and MUST also support [RFC2231]. This level of MIME conformance
provides support for internationalization and multimedia in message
bodies [RFC2045], [RFC2046], and [RFC2231], and support for
internationalization of header fields [RFC2047] and [RFC2231]. Note
that [Errata] currently exist for [RFC2045], [RFC2046], [RFC2047] and
[RFC2231].
For the purposes of Section 5 of [RFC2047], all header fields defined
in Section 3 of this standard are to be considered as "extension
message header fields", permitting the use of [RFC2047] encodings
within any <unstructured> header field, or within any <comment> or
<phrase> permitted within any structured header field.
User agents MAY accept and generate other MIME extension header
fields, and in particular SHOULD accept Content-Disposition [RFC2183]
and Content-Language [RFC3282].
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5536#section-2.3
Outlook Express was broken from the very start and finally removed with
Windows XP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlook_Express
Bobbie Sellers
Mar 12, 2022, 3:37:12โฏPM3/12/22
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On 3/12/22 05:16, Maz. wrote:
> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
> problem with the NG program?
>
>
Anyway you can get by downloading a copy of Thunderbird which certainly
> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
> problem with the NG program?
>
>
displays accented characters and is free to use.
later
bliss
--
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Mar 12, 2022, 3:53:49โฏPM3/12/22
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 12:37:11, Bobbie Sellers <bl...@mouse-potato.com>
sometimes! The explanation may be in what Ray just posted, which is
above my understanding ability level) bounces posts with such characters
_in the subject line_ - even if posted as a follow-up to posts (with
such characters in the subject) _downloaded from E-S itself_.
belittles women," they explain, "and that's our job." (Sandi Toksvig
[scripted], News Quiz 2013-7-26.)
wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>On 3/12/22 05:16, Maz. wrote:
>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>> problem with the NG program?
>>
>
> Anyway you can get by downloading a copy of Thunderbird which
>certainly displays accented characters and is free to use.
>
> later
> bliss
>
It's not a problem of _displaying_ them, it's that E-S (apparently only
>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>> problem with the NG program?
>>
>
> Anyway you can get by downloading a copy of Thunderbird which
>certainly displays accented characters and is free to use.
>
> later
> bliss
>
sometimes! The explanation may be in what Ray just posted, which is
above my understanding ability level) bounces posts with such characters
_in the subject line_ - even if posted as a follow-up to posts (with
such characters in the subject) _downloaded from E-S itself_.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
The Daily Mail has led the campaign to limit pornography - "it demeans and
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
belittles women," they explain, "and that's our job." (Sandi Toksvig
[scripted], News Quiz 2013-7-26.)
William Unruh
Mar 12, 2022, 4:08:05โฏPM3/12/22
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On 2022-03-12, J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 12:37:11, Bobbie Sellers <bl...@mouse-potato.com>
> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>On 3/12/22 05:16, Maz. wrote:
>>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>>> problem with the NG program?
>>>
>>
>> Anyway you can get by downloading a copy of Thunderbird which
>>certainly displays accented characters and is free to use.
>>
>> later
>> bliss
>>
> It's not a problem of _displaying_ them, it's that E-S (apparently only
> sometimes! The explanation may be in what Ray just posted, which is
> above my understanding ability level) bounces posts with such characters
> _in the subject line_ - even if posted as a follow-up to posts (with
> such characters in the subject) _downloaded from E-S itself_.
If you look at eternal-september.test, you will see lots of examples
> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>On 3/12/22 05:16, Maz. wrote:
>>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>>> problem with the NG program?
>>>
>>
>> Anyway you can get by downloading a copy of Thunderbird which
>>certainly displays accented characters and is free to use.
>>
>> later
>> bliss
>>
> It's not a problem of _displaying_ them, it's that E-S (apparently only
> sometimes! The explanation may be in what Ray just posted, which is
> above my understanding ability level) bounces posts with such characters
> _in the subject line_ - even if posted as a follow-up to posts (with
> such characters in the subject) _downloaded from E-S itself_.
with accented characters in the subject line in messages sent to
eternal-septermber alone and responded to those posts as well.
David W. Hodgins
Mar 12, 2022, 4:09:52โฏPM3/12/22
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 15:52:12 -0500, J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
> It's not a problem of _displaying_ them, it's that E-S (apparently only
> sometimes! The explanation may be in what Ray just posted, which is
> above my understanding ability level) bounces posts with such characters
> _in the subject line_ - even if posted as a follow-up to posts (with
> such characters in the subject) _downloaded from E-S itself_.
My understanding is that it's rejected (as it should be) if the client doesn't
> It's not a problem of _displaying_ them, it's that E-S (apparently only
> sometimes! The explanation may be in what Ray just posted, which is
> above my understanding ability level) bounces posts with such characters
> _in the subject line_ - even if posted as a follow-up to posts (with
> such characters in the subject) _downloaded from E-S itself_.
encode the headers properly. It works with rfc compliant software.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
Paul
Mar 12, 2022, 5:19:16โฏPM3/12/22
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On 3/12/2022 3:37 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 3/12/22 05:16, Maz. wrote:
>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>> problem with the NG program?
>>
>>
>
> ย ย ย ย Anyway you can get by downloading a copy of Thunderbird which certainly displays accented characters and is free to use.
>
> ย ย ย ย later
> ย ย ย ย bliss
>
And not just any copy of Thunderbird. WinXP support ended after 52.
> On 3/12/22 05:16, Maz. wrote:
>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>> problem with the NG program?
>>
>>
>
> ย ย ย ย Anyway you can get by downloading a copy of Thunderbird which certainly displays accented characters and is free to use.
>
> ย ย ย ย later
> ย ย ย ย bliss
>
The limitation is based on the underlying Firefox source code inside Thunderbird,
and Firefox also stopped support for WinXP at some point. Thunderbird did not
want to cut off support, but it's the XUL.dll "engine" they chose, that limits
WinXP version.
A person can walk this tree and find a particular release and language choice.
http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/52.2.0/win32/en-US/
Paul
Bobbie Sellers
Mar 12, 2022, 5:53:09โฏPM3/12/22
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course I always suggest PCLinuxOS 64 if he has a 64 bit machine, If he
is stuck with a 32 bit machine then I would have to think harder about a
replacement OS.
bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS
and a minor case of hypergraphia
David W. Hodgins
Mar 12, 2022, 6:22:54โฏPM3/12/22
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 17:53:06 -0500, Bobbie Sellers <bl...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> If he is on unsupported XP then it time to move on to Linux and of
> course I always suggest PCLinuxOS 64 if he has a 64 bit machine, If he
> is stuck with a 32 bit machine then I would have to think harder about a
> replacement OS.
Mageia linux still supports 32 bit installs.
> If he is on unsupported XP then it time to move on to Linux and of
> course I always suggest PCLinuxOS 64 if he has a 64 bit machine, If he
> is stuck with a 32 bit machine then I would have to think harder about a
> replacement OS.
https://www.mageia.org/en-gb/downloads/
Regards, Dave Hodgins
Lewis
Mar 12, 2022, 7:03:16โฏPM3/12/22
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In message <t0i6g6$ngc$1...@dont-email.me> Maz. <mach...@libero.it> wrote:
> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
> problem with the NG program?
รtรชrรฑรฅl Sรซpโ โยตโซรจยฎ has not problems with accented characters.
> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
> problem with the NG program?
Or Emojis. ๐น๐คฎโ
--
She hated everything that predestined people, that fooled them, that
made them slightly less than human. --Witches Abroad
Lewis
Mar 12, 2022, 7:05:39โฏPM3/12/22
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In message <ne4JwIRgENLiFw+w@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 16:04:16, Pancho <Pancho.Do...@outlook.com>
> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>On 12/03/2022 13:16, Maz. wrote:
>>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>>> problem with the NG program?
> Not _your_ news client, no. It (E-S) won't accept them (non-ASCII
> characters - i. e. codes outside the range 32 to 126) _in the subject
> line_
Are you sure about that?
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 16:04:16, Pancho <Pancho.Do...@outlook.com>
> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>On 12/03/2022 13:16, Maz. wrote:
>>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>>> problem with the NG program?
> Not _your_ news client, no. It (E-S) won't accept them (non-ASCII
> characters - i. e. codes outside the range 32 to 126) _in the subject
> line_
--
"Love is like war: easy to begin but very hard to stop." - H. L.
Mencken
Lewis
Mar 12, 2022, 7:24:05โฏPM3/12/22
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In message <t0j693$oqq$1...@dont-email.me> Paul <nos...@needed.invalid> wrote:
> And not just any copy of Thunderbird. WinXP support ended after 52.
There is no reason anyone should be running Windows XP.
> And not just any copy of Thunderbird. WinXP support ended after 52.
--
I'm no psychologist (although I play one when I'm picking up chicks
over by the asylum)
David W. Hodgins
Mar 12, 2022, 7:28:08โฏPM3/12/22
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 19:05:38 -0500, Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> In message <ne4JwIRgENLiFw+w@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 16:04:16, Pancho <Pancho.Do...@outlook.com>
>> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>> On 12/03/2022 13:16, Maz. wrote:
>>>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>>>> problem with the NG program?
>
>> Not _your_ news client, no. It (E-S) won't accept them (non-ASCII
>> characters - i. e. codes outside the range 32 to 126) _in the subject
>> line_
>
> Are you sure about that?
Technically he's correct. The characters in the subject are utf-8 characters
> In message <ne4JwIRgENLiFw+w@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 16:04:16, Pancho <Pancho.Do...@outlook.com>
>> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>> On 12/03/2022 13:16, Maz. wrote:
>>>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>>>> problem with the NG program?
>
>> Not _your_ news client, no. It (E-S) won't accept them (non-ASCII
>> characters - i. e. codes outside the range 32 to 126) _in the subject
>> line_
>
> Are you sure about that?
encoded using ascii.
The subject here is
"Subject: =?utf-8?B?8J+RufCfpK7inIUgKFdhcyBSZTogQWNjZW50ZWQgbGV0dGVycyk=?=?
While a standards complaint newsreader will display the non-ascii characters in
the subject, old ascii only newsreaders will display the ascii characters.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
Sn!pe
Mar 12, 2022, 7:45:01โฏPM3/12/22
to
when the fonts available to MacSOUP do not contain the exotic characters
(assuming the MIME Content-Type: declaration is valid).
--
^ร^ I've got a case of Dynamite, I could hold out here all night.
My pet rock Gordon just is.
Paul
Mar 12, 2022, 7:53:49โฏPM3/12/22
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On 3/12/2022 7:24 PM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <t0j693$oqq$1...@dont-email.me> Paul <nos...@needed.invalid> wrote:
>> And not just any copy of Thunderbird. WinXP support ended after 52.
>
> There is no reason anyone should be running Windows XP.
>
I'm going by the declaration in the original message.
> In message <t0j693$oqq$1...@dont-email.me> Paul <nos...@needed.invalid> wrote:
>> And not just any copy of Thunderbird. WinXP support ended after 52.
>
> There is no reason anyone should be running Windows XP.
>
User Agent: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180
Paul
Paul
Mar 12, 2022, 7:56:51โฏPM3/12/22
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On 3/12/2022 7:05 PM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <ne4JwIRgENLiFw+w@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 16:04:16, Pancho <Pancho.Do...@outlook.com>
>> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>> On 12/03/2022 13:16, Maz. wrote:
>>>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>>>> problem with the NG program?
>
>> Not _your_ news client, no. It (E-S) won't accept them (non-ASCII
>> characters - i. e. codes outside the range 32 to 126) _in the subject
>> line_
>
> Are you sure about that?
>
You can check your posting in howard (al.howardknight.net)
> In message <ne4JwIRgENLiFw+w@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 16:04:16, Pancho <Pancho.Do...@outlook.com>
>> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>> On 12/03/2022 13:16, Maz. wrote:
>>>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>>>> problem with the NG program?
>
>> Not _your_ news client, no. It (E-S) won't accept them (non-ASCII
>> characters - i. e. codes outside the range 32 to 126) _in the subject
>> line_
>
> Are you sure about that?
>
and see the ASCII text in the subject.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cslrnt2qdai.ase.g.kreme%40zephyrus.local%3E
Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?=F0=9F=91=B9=F0=9F=A4=AE=E2=9C=85?= (Was Re: Accented
letters)
Paul
Lewis
Mar 12, 2022, 8:05:03โฏPM3/12/22
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In message <op.1ix0wzg...@hodgins.homeip.net> David W. Hodgins <dwho...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 19:05:38 -0500, Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>> In message <ne4JwIRgENLiFw+w@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 16:04:16, Pancho <Pancho.Do...@outlook.com>
>>> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>>> On 12/03/2022 13:16, Maz. wrote:
>>>>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>>>>> problem with the NG program?
>>
>>> Not _your_ news client, no. It (E-S) won't accept them (non-ASCII
>>> characters - i. e. codes outside the range 32 to 126) _in the subject
>>> line_
>>
>> Are you sure about that?
> Technically he's correct. The characters in the subject are utf-8 characters
> encoded using ascii.
Which ES accepts properly and preserves properly and displays properly.
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 19:05:38 -0500, Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>> In message <ne4JwIRgENLiFw+w@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 16:04:16, Pancho <Pancho.Do...@outlook.com>
>>> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>>> On 12/03/2022 13:16, Maz. wrote:
>>>>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>>>>> problem with the NG program?
>>
>>> Not _your_ news client, no. It (E-S) won't accept them (non-ASCII
>>> characters - i. e. codes outside the range 32 to 126) _in the subject
>>> line_
>>
>> Are you sure about that?
> Technically he's correct. The characters in the subject are utf-8 characters
> encoded using ascii.
The NNTP standard *requires* that the headers be ASCII, so anything else
must be encoded in ASCII. This has nothing to do with ES, it is simply
how USENET works.
--
"Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"I think so, Brain, but practicing docking procedures with a goat at
zero G'sโit's never been done!"
Adam H. Kerman
Mar 12, 2022, 8:36:20โฏPM3/12/22
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>>Sat, 12 Mar 2022 19:05:38 -0500, Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me>:
non-standard articles with unencoded non-ASCII characters and that puts
the onus on peering News sites to accept non-standard articles or reject
them, leaving holes in the feed.
There are newsreaders that might post a root article with non-ASCII
characters on Subject, encoding them according to standard, but don't
parse Subject from the precursor article to the followup for unencoded
non-ASCII characters. If followups like that are injected through Ray's
site, Ray would reject them.
Other News sites might accept them, as I said.
>>>J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 16:04:16, Pancho <Pancho.Do...@outlook.com>:
>>>>>On 12/03/2022 13:16, Maz. wrote:
>>>>>>Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think
>>>>>>it's a problem with the NG program?
>>>>Not _your_ news client, no. It (E-S) won't accept them (non-ASCII
>>>>characters - i. e. codes outside the range 32 to 126) _in the subject
>>>>line_
>>>Are you sure about that?
>>Technically he's correct. The characters in the subject are utf-8 characters
>>encoded using ascii.
>Which ES accepts properly and preserves properly and displays properly.
>The NNTP standard *requires* that the headers be ASCII, so anything else
>must be encoded in ASCII. This has nothing to do with ES, it is simply
>how USENET works.
We all wish that were so, but it's not. Plenty of News servers accept
>>>>>>Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think
>>>>>>it's a problem with the NG program?
>>>>Not _your_ news client, no. It (E-S) won't accept them (non-ASCII
>>>>characters - i. e. codes outside the range 32 to 126) _in the subject
>>>>line_
>>>Are you sure about that?
>>Technically he's correct. The characters in the subject are utf-8 characters
>>encoded using ascii.
>Which ES accepts properly and preserves properly and displays properly.
>The NNTP standard *requires* that the headers be ASCII, so anything else
>must be encoded in ASCII. This has nothing to do with ES, it is simply
>how USENET works.
non-standard articles with unencoded non-ASCII characters and that puts
the onus on peering News sites to accept non-standard articles or reject
them, leaving holes in the feed.
There are newsreaders that might post a root article with non-ASCII
characters on Subject, encoding them according to standard, but don't
parse Subject from the precursor article to the followup for unencoded
non-ASCII characters. If followups like that are injected through Ray's
site, Ray would reject them.
Other News sites might accept them, as I said.
David W. Hodgins
Mar 12, 2022, 8:45:24โฏPM3/12/22
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 19:45:00 -0500, Sn!pe <snip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> MacSOUP mostly handles utf-8 fine but a rendering problem arises here
> when the fonts available to MacSOUP do not contain the exotic characters
> (assuming the MIME Content-Type: declaration is valid).
Here those three characters show as ๐น๐คฎโ
(two unknown characters followed by
> MacSOUP mostly handles utf-8 fine but a rendering problem arises here
> when the fonts available to MacSOUP do not contain the exotic characters
> (assuming the MIME Content-Type: declaration is valid).
a checkmark). It was enough to show the point, so I didn't bother pointing
out the error of the first two characters.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Mar 12, 2022, 9:07:40โฏPM3/12/22
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 at 00:03:15, Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me>
>
>Or Emojis. ???
>
In the BODY of the post, no. If included - as actual characters, not an
encoded form of them - in the SUBJECT line, it will bounce them.
2016/11/26-12/2
wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>In message <t0i6g6$ngc$1...@dont-email.me> Maz. <mach...@libero.it> wrote:
>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>> problem with the NG program?
>
>รtรชrรฑรฅl Sรซpโ ???รจยฎ has not problems with accented characters.
>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>> problem with the NG program?
>
>
>Or Emojis. ???
>
In the BODY of the post, no. If included - as actual characters, not an
encoded form of them - in the SUBJECT line, it will bounce them.
>
>
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
My movies rise below vulgarity. - Mel Brooks, quoted by Barry Norman in RT
>
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
2016/11/26-12/2
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Mar 12, 2022, 9:13:43โฏPM3/12/22
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 at 01:05:02, Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me>
your news client, not ES. It may (if old) display the strings of hex,
UTF-8, and so on, or it may (if newer) display the special characters.
have definitely had ES bounce posts which contain non-standard
characters in the subject that have _not_ been encoded; I _think_ I have
had such posts accepted by other NNTP servers, even if they're not
supposed to.
wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>In message <op.1ix0wzg...@hodgins.homeip.net> David W. Hodgins
><dwho...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 19:05:38 -0500, Lewis
>><g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>>> In message <ne4JwIRgENLiFw+w@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John)
>>><G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 16:04:16, Pancho <Pancho.Do...@outlook.com>
>>>> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>>>> On 12/03/2022 13:16, Maz. wrote:
>>>>>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you
>>>>>>think it's a
>>>>>> problem with the NG program?
>>>
>>>> Not _your_ news client, no. It (E-S) won't accept them (non-ASCII
>>>> characters - i. e. codes outside the range 32 to 126) _in the subject
>>>> line_
>>>
>>> Are you sure about that?
>
>> Technically he's correct. The characters in the subject are utf-8 characters
>> encoded using ascii.
>
>Which ES accepts properly and preserves properly and displays properly.
ES may accept and preserve them. How they are _displayed_ is down to
>In message <op.1ix0wzg...@hodgins.homeip.net> David W. Hodgins
><dwho...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 19:05:38 -0500, Lewis
>><g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>>> In message <ne4JwIRgENLiFw+w@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John)
>>><G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 16:04:16, Pancho <Pancho.Do...@outlook.com>
>>>> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>>>> On 12/03/2022 13:16, Maz. wrote:
>>>>>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you
>>>>>>think it's a
>>>>>> problem with the NG program?
>>>
>>>> Not _your_ news client, no. It (E-S) won't accept them (non-ASCII
>>>> characters - i. e. codes outside the range 32 to 126) _in the subject
>>>> line_
>>>
>>> Are you sure about that?
>
>> Technically he's correct. The characters in the subject are utf-8 characters
>> encoded using ascii.
>
>Which ES accepts properly and preserves properly and displays properly.
your news client, not ES. It may (if old) display the strings of hex,
UTF-8, and so on, or it may (if newer) display the special characters.
>
>The NNTP standard *requires* that the headers be ASCII, so anything else
>must be encoded in ASCII. This has nothing to do with ES, it is simply
>how USENET works.
>
As with all such things, how strictly the rules are _applied_ varies. I
>The NNTP standard *requires* that the headers be ASCII, so anything else
>must be encoded in ASCII. This has nothing to do with ES, it is simply
>how USENET works.
>
have definitely had ES bounce posts which contain non-standard
characters in the subject that have _not_ been encoded; I _think_ I have
had such posts accepted by other NNTP servers, even if they're not
supposed to.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Mar 12, 2022, 9:15:44โฏPM3/12/22
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 21:08:04, William Unruh <un...@invalid.ca> wrote
(my responses usually FOLLOW):
[]
that knows about special encoding, then it will both encode such special
characters, and decode them for display (so what you _see_ is the
special characters, but that _wasn't_ what was in the subject line).
(my responses usually FOLLOW):
[]
>If you look at eternal-september.test, you will see lots of examples
>with accented characters in the subject line in messages sent to
>eternal-septermber alone and responded to those posts as well.
>
I think that may depend what you're "looking" with. If it's a client
>with accented characters in the subject line in messages sent to
>eternal-septermber alone and responded to those posts as well.
>
that knows about special encoding, then it will both encode such special
characters, and decode them for display (so what you _see_ is the
special characters, but that _wasn't_ what was in the subject line).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Lewis
Mar 13, 2022, 1:45:07โฏAM3/13/22
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In message <oKOKV9h4GVLiFw$D@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 at 00:03:15, Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me>
> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>In message <t0i6g6$ngc$1...@dont-email.me> Maz. <mach...@libero.it> wrote:
>>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>>> problem with the NG program?
>>
>>รtรชrรฑรฅl Sรซpโ ???รจยฎ has not problems with accented characters.
>>
>>Or Emojis. ???
>>
> In the BODY of the post, no. If included - as actual characters, not an
> encoded form of them - in the SUBJECT line, it will bounce them.
If you can't manage to post a valid article, then it absolutely should
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 at 00:03:15, Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me>
> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>In message <t0i6g6$ngc$1...@dont-email.me> Maz. <mach...@libero.it> wrote:
>>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>>> problem with the NG program?
>>
>>รtรชrรฑรฅl Sรซpโ ???รจยฎ has not problems with accented characters.
>>
>>Or Emojis. ???
>>
> In the BODY of the post, no. If included - as actual characters, not an
> encoded form of them - in the SUBJECT line, it will bounce them.
be rejected. In fact, according to the RFCs, it must be.
that some dumb ass companies (like Microsoft) couldn't manage proper
articles is THEIR problem. The proper response it to reject those
articles.
--
If Daniel Dennett is right that thereโs a human genetic need for
religionโ then Iโd like to imagine that my atheism is proof of
evolutionary biology in action. -- Adam Savage
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Mar 13, 2022, 9:37:43โฏAM3/13/22
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 at 06:45:06, Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me>
followup, to a post received _from_ E-S, that it gets rejected _by_ E-S:
presumably these are posts that E-S has received from its peers, who did
_not_ reject them when they got the from their own subscribers, and E-S
is more tolerant of what it accepts from its peers, and passes on _to_
its subscribers, than what it accepts _from_ its subscribers (even as
followups).
(Or, these days, MS are such an effective monopoly that they can and do
force what become de facto standards. [I think the most heinous being
top-posting-with-no-snipping.])
wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>In message <oKOKV9h4GVLiFw$D@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John)
><G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 at 00:03:15, Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me>
>> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>>In message <t0i6g6$ngc$1...@dont-email.me> Maz. <mach...@libero.it> wrote:
>>>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>>>> problem with the NG program?
>>>
>>>รtรชrรฑรฅl Sรซpโ ???รจยฎ has not problems with accented characters.
>>>
>>>Or Emojis. ???
>>>
>> In the BODY of the post, no. If included - as actual characters, not an
>> encoded form of them - in the SUBJECT line, it will bounce them.
>
>If you can't manage to post a valid article, then it absolutely should
>be rejected. In fact, according to the RFCs, it must be.
A valid viewpoint. However, it's a little irritating when I post a
>In message <oKOKV9h4GVLiFw$D@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John)
><G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 at 00:03:15, Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me>
>> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>>In message <t0i6g6$ngc$1...@dont-email.me> Maz. <mach...@libero.it> wrote:
>>>> Eternal September won't accept me accented letters ... Do you think it's a
>>>> problem with the NG program?
>>>
>>>รtรชrรฑรฅl Sรซpโ ???รจยฎ has not problems with accented characters.
>>>
>>>Or Emojis. ???
>>>
>> In the BODY of the post, no. If included - as actual characters, not an
>> encoded form of them - in the SUBJECT line, it will bounce them.
>
>If you can't manage to post a valid article, then it absolutely should
>be rejected. In fact, according to the RFCs, it must be.
followup, to a post received _from_ E-S, that it gets rejected _by_ E-S:
presumably these are posts that E-S has received from its peers, who did
_not_ reject them when they got the from their own subscribers, and E-S
is more tolerant of what it accepts from its peers, and passes on _to_
its subscribers, than what it accepts _from_ its subscribers (even as
followups).
>
>that some dumb ass companies (like Microsoft) couldn't manage proper
>articles is THEIR problem. The proper response it to reject those
>articles.
>
"Microsoft follows standards like fish follow migrating caribou" (-:
>that some dumb ass companies (like Microsoft) couldn't manage proper
>articles is THEIR problem. The proper response it to reject those
>articles.
>
(Or, these days, MS are such an effective monopoly that they can and do
force what become de facto standards. [I think the most heinous being
top-posting-with-no-snipping.])
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Quantum particles: the dreams that stuff is made of - David Moser
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Adam H. Kerman
Mar 13, 2022, 11:47:30โฏAM3/13/22
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J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 21:08:04, William Unruh <un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>If you look at eternal-september.test, you will see lots of examples
>>with accented characters in the subject line in messages sent to
>>eternal-septermber alone and responded to those posts as well.
>I think that may depend what you're "looking" with. If it's a client
>that knows about special encoding, then it will both encode such special
>characters, and decode them for display (so what you _see_ is the
>special characters, but that _wasn't_ what was in the subject line).
One wishes that were always true, but it's not. As I pointed out
>>If you look at eternal-september.test, you will see lots of examples
>>with accented characters in the subject line in messages sent to
>>eternal-septermber alone and responded to those posts as well.
>I think that may depend what you're "looking" with. If it's a client
>that knows about special encoding, then it will both encode such special
>characters, and decode them for display (so what you _see_ is the
>special characters, but that _wasn't_ what was in the subject line).
earlier, certain newsreaders know to perform the encoding if the user
puts a non-ASCII character on Subject. If Subject with anh unencoded
non-ASCII character is inherited in followup, the non-ASCII character is
not encoded. Similarly, a non-ASCII character on To isn't encoded if
that's inherited from a text string in an environment variable.
Just because the newsreader knows to encode in the composer doesn't mean
that it runs the proto-article through a parser to make sure no
unencoded non-ASCII character is being used on a header line.
>--
>J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
>My movies rise below vulgarity. - Mel Brooks, quoted by Barry Norman in RT
>2016/11/26-12/2
him to a woman who approached him in a hotel elevator, accusing him of
making vulgar movies. Brooks was with his wife Anne Bancroft. Ebert
quoted Brooks in his review of The Producers (1967).
Adam H. Kerman
Mar 13, 2022, 11:49:31โฏAM3/13/22
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Lewis <g.k...@gmail.don-t-email-me.com> wrote:
>>. . .
>If you can't manage to post a valid article, then it absolutely should
>be rejected. In fact, according to the RFCs, it must be. . . .
Well, yeah, but the RFC is less harsh about articles that are
nonstandard for having unencoded non-ASCII characters on headers
received in the feed.
>>. . .
>If you can't manage to post a valid article, then it absolutely should
Well, yeah, but the RFC is less harsh about articles that are
nonstandard for having unencoded non-ASCII characters on headers
received in the feed.
Adam H. Kerman
Mar 13, 2022, 11:52:20โฏAM3/13/22
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>>. . .
>A valid viewpoint. However, it's a little irritating when I post a
>followup, to a post received _from_ E-S, that it gets rejected _by_ E-S:
>presumably these are posts that E-S has received from its peers, who did
>_not_ reject them when they got the from their own subscribers, and E-S
>is more tolerant of what it accepts from its peers, and passes on _to_
>its subscribers, than what it accepts _from_ its subscribers (even as
>followups). . . .
So your newsreader is an example of what I'm talking about, using the
Subject with unencoded non-ASCII characters as inherited in followup but
fails to parse the proto-article for unencoded non-ASCII characters in
headers prior to submitting for injection.
>A valid viewpoint. However, it's a little irritating when I post a
>followup, to a post received _from_ E-S, that it gets rejected _by_ E-S:
>presumably these are posts that E-S has received from its peers, who did
>_not_ reject them when they got the from their own subscribers, and E-S
>is more tolerant of what it accepts from its peers, and passes on _to_
>its subscribers, than what it accepts _from_ its subscribers (even as
So your newsreader is an example of what I'm talking about, using the
Subject with unencoded non-ASCII characters as inherited in followup but
fails to parse the proto-article for unencoded non-ASCII characters in
headers prior to submitting for injection.
Lewis
Mar 13, 2022, 2:46:23โฏPM3/13/22
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In message <t0l3mh$mlv$1...@dont-email.me> Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 21:08:04, William Unruh <un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>If you look at eternal-september.test, you will see lots of examples
>>>with accented characters in the subject line in messages sent to
>>>eternal-septermber alone and responded to those posts as well.
>>I think that may depend what you're "looking" with. If it's a client
>>that knows about special encoding, then it will both encode such special
>>characters, and decode them for display (so what you _see_ is the
>>special characters, but that _wasn't_ what was in the subject line).
> One wishes that were always true, but it's not. As I pointed out
> earlier, certain newsreaders know to perform the encoding if the user
> puts a non-ASCII character on Subject. If Subject with anh unencoded
> non-ASCII character is inherited in followup, the non-ASCII character is
> not encoded.
That is a bug, not a feature.
> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 21:08:04, William Unruh <un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>If you look at eternal-september.test, you will see lots of examples
>>>with accented characters in the subject line in messages sent to
>>>eternal-septermber alone and responded to those posts as well.
>>I think that may depend what you're "looking" with. If it's a client
>>that knows about special encoding, then it will both encode such special
>>characters, and decode them for display (so what you _see_ is the
>>special characters, but that _wasn't_ what was in the subject line).
> One wishes that were always true, but it's not. As I pointed out
> earlier, certain newsreaders know to perform the encoding if the user
> puts a non-ASCII character on Subject. If Subject with anh unencoded
> non-ASCII character is inherited in followup, the non-ASCII character is
> not encoded.
> Similarly, a non-ASCII character on To isn't encoded if
> that's inherited from a text string in an environment variable.
than any intent. "We don't have to check the headers on followup because
they must be right already". Thankfully, there are other news clients
that behave properly.
--
Nothing like grilling a kosher dog over human hair to bring out the
subtle flavors.
Lewis
Mar 13, 2022, 6:15:38โฏPM3/13/22
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> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 21:08:04, William Unruh <un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>If you look at eternal-september.test, you will see lots of examples
>>>with accented characters in the subject line in messages sent to
>>>eternal-septermber alone and responded to those posts as well.
>>I think that may depend what you're "looking" with. If it's a client
>>that knows about special encoding, then it will both encode such special
>>characters, and decode them for display (so what you _see_ is the
>>special characters, but that _wasn't_ what was in the subject line).
> One wishes that were always true, but it's not. As I pointed out
> earlier, certain newsreaders know to perform the encoding if the user
> puts a non-ASCII character on Subject. If Subject with anh unencoded
> non-ASCII character is inherited in followup, the non-ASCII character is
> not encoded.
>>On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 21:08:04, William Unruh <un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>If you look at eternal-september.test, you will see lots of examples
>>>with accented characters in the subject line in messages sent to
>>>eternal-septermber alone and responded to those posts as well.
>>I think that may depend what you're "looking" with. If it's a client
>>that knows about special encoding, then it will both encode such special
>>characters, and decode them for display (so what you _see_ is the
>>special characters, but that _wasn't_ what was in the subject line).
> One wishes that were always true, but it's not. As I pointed out
> earlier, certain newsreaders know to perform the encoding if the user
> puts a non-ASCII character on Subject. If Subject with anh unencoded
> non-ASCII character is inherited in followup, the non-ASCII character is
> not encoded.
That is a bug, not a feature.
> Similarly, a non-ASCII character on To isn't encoded if
> that's inherited from a text string in an environment variable.
> that's inherited from a text string in an environment variable.
Adam H. Kerman
Mar 13, 2022, 6:53:30โฏPM3/13/22
to
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.don-t-email-me.com> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 21:08:04, William Unruh <un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>If you look at eternal-september.test, you will see lots of examples
>>>>with accented characters in the subject line in messages sent to
>>>>eternal-septermber alone and responded to those posts as well.
>>>I think that may depend what you're "looking" with. If it's a client
>>>that knows about special encoding, then it will both encode such special
>>>characters, and decode them for display (so what you _see_ is the
>>>special characters, but that _wasn't_ what was in the subject line).
>>One wishes that were always true, but it's not. As I pointed out
>>earlier, certain newsreaders know to perform the encoding if the user
>>puts a non-ASCII character on Subject. If Subject with anh unencoded
>>non-ASCII character is inherited in followup, the non-ASCII character is
>>not encoded.
>That is a bug, not a feature.
Snarf
>Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 21:08:04, William Unruh <un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>If you look at eternal-september.test, you will see lots of examples
>>>>with accented characters in the subject line in messages sent to
>>>>eternal-septermber alone and responded to those posts as well.
>>>I think that may depend what you're "looking" with. If it's a client
>>>that knows about special encoding, then it will both encode such special
>>>characters, and decode them for display (so what you _see_ is the
>>>special characters, but that _wasn't_ what was in the subject line).
>>One wishes that were always true, but it's not. As I pointed out
>>earlier, certain newsreaders know to perform the encoding if the user
>>puts a non-ASCII character on Subject. If Subject with anh unencoded
>>non-ASCII character is inherited in followup, the non-ASCII character is
>>not encoded.
>That is a bug, not a feature.
>>. . .
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 20:17:05 +0100, LO AND BEHOLD; Ray Banana
<ray...@raybanana.net> determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<m2a6dvm...@raybanana.net>:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= On 10420 September 1993, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= "Subject: Re: =?utf-8?Q?Accented_letters_=C3=99=C3=9A=C3=9B=C3=9C?="
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= It did more than replace the modified Us: it prepended something.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= encoded-word = "=?" charset "?" encoding "?" encoded-text "?="
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2047#section-2
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Presumably some clients would recognise that and reparse.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= MIME Conformance
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= User agents MUST meet the definition of MIME conformance in [RFC2049]
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= and MUST also support [RFC2231]. This level of MIME conformance
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= provides support for internationalization and multimedia in message
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= bodies [RFC2045], [RFC2046], and [RFC2231], and support for
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= internationalization of header fields [RFC2047] and [RFC2231]. Note
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= that [Errata] currently exist for [RFC2045], [RFC2046], [RFC2047] and
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= [RFC2231].
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= For the purposes of Section 5 of [RFC2047], all header fields defined
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= in Section 3 of this standard are to be considered as "extension
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= message header fields", permitting the use of [RFC2047] encodings
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= within any <unstructured> header field, or within any <comment> or
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= <phrase> permitted within any structured header field.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= User agents MAY accept and generate other MIME extension header
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= fields, and in particular SHOULD accept Content-Disposition [RFC2183]
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= and Content-Language [RFC3282].
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5536#section-2.3
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Outlook Express was broken from the very start and finally removed with
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Windows XP.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlook_Express
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
there are lots of broken newsreaders, trust me.
"4 out of 5 pet rocks" won't comment on this poast...
On Sun, 30 May 2021 12:23:08 +0000 (UTC), LO AND BEHOLD; Red Elephant
<no...@yourbusiness.com> determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<s9003c$6mc$1...@gioia.aioe.org>:
โก That Jen creature is still gone? HAHAHAAH Love it Fucking gender queers
โก
โก https://ibb.co/HKHGK5z https://ibb.co/fFK3bMT https://ibb.co/TtBrHtY
--
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THIS SPACE FOR RENT
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"Also, it makes you look intellectually weak if you constantly spout derogatory opinions about people, but can never back any of them up with valid reasons. In alt.checkmate, someone will challenge that every time." - _The Most Ironic Thing Ever Said_ by Checkmate in <MPG.3a6d564ad...@news.alt.net>
-
"Starting with the World's Ugliest Chimp, Maxine Waters. That bitch is
hideous! It's no wonder "she always mad," to put it ebonically." - Checkmate "looking intellectually weak" (and racist AF) in <MPG.3a81d71c7...@news.alt.net>
-
"Subject: THE GREAT MASK MYTH... UNMASKED" - Checkmate the anti-masker in https://groups.google.com/g/alt.checkmate/c/ROknxOsPeEE/m/I-cujRAzBQAJ
-
"Conservatives aren't looking for a war. Libtards are planning one, and it
starts with the cowardly antifa punks who dress in black, cover their
faces, wear helmets, and surround elderly citizens, poking them with
metal-tipped umbrellas. You know, like fascists." - another borken prediction from Checkmate (umbrella guy was later found to be a fascist) in <cue77g....@news.alt.net>
-
"It will always be with you. Why do you think I hate those bastards as much as I do? I've been watching a lecture series on the history of the muzzies... many hour's worth, in fact, and the muzzies have been that way for thousands of years. It's in their culture. Every few hundred years, they try to invade Europe or some other region nearby, and have to be beaten back. They just need to be eliminated to whatever extent that's possible. You can't kill ideas completely, but you can set them back a few generations when necessary.
One important distinction between islam and christianity, is both religions have historically used their "beliefs" as a means to control the ignorant Unwashed Masses, only Western civilization became educated enough to take that power away from the clergy. The muzzies like their citizens to remain dumb, brainwashed, and obedient. That's why the radical ones are nearly all from The Land That Time Forgot. They're still stuck back in the fourteenth century, and suffer from the delusional notion that they're going to drag the rest of the world back there with them. As I see it, there's only one solution to that problem, and it's the same one we use to rid ourselves of rats, cockroaches, and other vermin." - Checkmate said this psycho lunatic shit in <MPG.34138d3d6...@news.altopia.com>
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"What you see happening in Europe now... defiant muzzies openly proclaiming that they have no desire to "assimilate" or co-exist with Europeans, and stating that their objective is to turn all of Europe into a muzzie dominated region under sharia law, is the harbinger of what they have planned for the US. To what extent they'll be successful with that here can be debated, but should not be underestimated. I wish I could share your optimism in that regard, but I don't.
Terror attacks are only one page out of the muzzie play book. They serve more as a distraction. The real goal is occupation, and that's already well underway. They've got that frog pretty well boiled in Europe now, and they're getting bolder by the day. The longer the Europeans wait to do something about it, the harder it's going to be TO do anything about it. It may already be too late IMO. This is going to get real messy in a hurry." - Checkmate crying about some bullshit about muslims in europe that's he's convinced himself is true.
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"Bitches don't get to use the Pussy Card when they initiate an
assault." - Cuckmate the Wonder Klown in <dfrauh.8...@news.alt.net>
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"Thanks to muzzies and their apologist-enablers like puppy whistle, this seems to be the new norm in the world. It's spreading like a cancer, and it's time we admit we're at war with pure evil. We need to put an end to this muzzie plague, or life on Earth is going to become pure hell everywhere. We need to get these people out of every civilized country, and there's only one way to do it. IOW, we have to become like them, with an emphasis on expediency over cruelty." - Herr Fuhrer Checkmate (of alt.checkmate)
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"Pussy Willow has just proven that Trump's crackdown on previously unenforced immigration policies is working. We'll deal with the domestic terrorists as needed, but we don't need to be letting the muzzie terrorists get a foothold in our country too. One need only look at what they're doing in Europe right now to know we're doing the right thing by keeping them out, which is our right and our duty. - Checkmate (#1 pussy willow fan)
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"You just made puppy whistle's sig line longer." - Janithor
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STOP! (janithor time.):
i hope his sails weren't torn asunder with words on a screen, or
somesuch, but also i hope that his pain is not as bad as the murderguy
who got hit with a skateboard. - anynonymous
-
"If I have a complaint about the (Southern Poverty) Law Center's description (of the alt-right movement), it is the phrase "heavy use of social media," which implies the alt-right is a real-world movement which uses a lot of social media. This is backwards: it is an online movement which occasionally appears in the real world. Where it gets punched." - Jason Rhode
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"I think we should destroy every last fucking mosque in America." - "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic...@The.Edge> proves for us that white males are violent in Message-ID: <MPG.32c5bfef...@news.altopia.com>
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"I wasn't even aware that I HAD a religion. I'm pretty-much against all of The Big Three, but the muzzies are at the top of the list." - Checkmate
-
"Such "places of worship" are terrorist breeding grounds, as has been proven on many occasions. Please refrain from morphing out of my
killfile." - Checkmate on his belief that all Mosques are where terrorists are.
-
"Is Pussy Willow saying you're a bigger nazi puke than me? You didn't even suggest that maybe we ought to burn down all the mosques. This just isn't fair!" - Checkmate admits to suggesting burning down mosques.
-
"The world IS shit, and getting closer to hitting the fan every day. We'll be at war before the end of this decade, and nearly everybody
already knows it." - Checkmate teh war hawk, in 2017
-
Golden Killfile, June 2005
KOTM, November 2006
Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007
Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006
Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
AUK Mascot, September 2007
Putting the Awards Out of Order to Screw With the OCD Fuckheads, March 2016
<ray...@raybanana.net> determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<m2a6dvm...@raybanana.net>:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= On 10420 September 1993, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= "Subject: Re: =?utf-8?Q?Accented_letters_=C3=99=C3=9A=C3=9B=C3=9C?="
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= It did more than replace the modified Us: it prepended something.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= encoded-word = "=?" charset "?" encoding "?" encoded-text "?="
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2047#section-2
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Presumably some clients would recognise that and reparse.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= MIME Conformance
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= User agents MUST meet the definition of MIME conformance in [RFC2049]
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= and MUST also support [RFC2231]. This level of MIME conformance
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= provides support for internationalization and multimedia in message
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= bodies [RFC2045], [RFC2046], and [RFC2231], and support for
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= internationalization of header fields [RFC2047] and [RFC2231]. Note
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= that [Errata] currently exist for [RFC2045], [RFC2046], [RFC2047] and
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= [RFC2231].
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= For the purposes of Section 5 of [RFC2047], all header fields defined
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= in Section 3 of this standard are to be considered as "extension
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= message header fields", permitting the use of [RFC2047] encodings
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= within any <unstructured> header field, or within any <comment> or
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= <phrase> permitted within any structured header field.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= User agents MAY accept and generate other MIME extension header
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= fields, and in particular SHOULD accept Content-Disposition [RFC2183]
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= and Content-Language [RFC3282].
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5536#section-2.3
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Outlook Express was broken from the very start and finally removed with
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Windows XP.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlook_Express
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
there are lots of broken newsreaders, trust me.
"4 out of 5 pet rocks" won't comment on this poast...
On Sun, 30 May 2021 12:23:08 +0000 (UTC), LO AND BEHOLD; Red Elephant
<no...@yourbusiness.com> determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<s9003c$6mc$1...@gioia.aioe.org>:
โก That Jen creature is still gone? HAHAHAAH Love it Fucking gender queers
โก
โก https://ibb.co/HKHGK5z https://ibb.co/fFK3bMT https://ibb.co/TtBrHtY
--
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-
"Also, it makes you look intellectually weak if you constantly spout derogatory opinions about people, but can never back any of them up with valid reasons. In alt.checkmate, someone will challenge that every time." - _The Most Ironic Thing Ever Said_ by Checkmate in <MPG.3a6d564ad...@news.alt.net>
-
"Starting with the World's Ugliest Chimp, Maxine Waters. That bitch is
hideous! It's no wonder "she always mad," to put it ebonically." - Checkmate "looking intellectually weak" (and racist AF) in <MPG.3a81d71c7...@news.alt.net>
-
"Subject: THE GREAT MASK MYTH... UNMASKED" - Checkmate the anti-masker in https://groups.google.com/g/alt.checkmate/c/ROknxOsPeEE/m/I-cujRAzBQAJ
-
"Conservatives aren't looking for a war. Libtards are planning one, and it
starts with the cowardly antifa punks who dress in black, cover their
faces, wear helmets, and surround elderly citizens, poking them with
metal-tipped umbrellas. You know, like fascists." - another borken prediction from Checkmate (umbrella guy was later found to be a fascist) in <cue77g....@news.alt.net>
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"It will always be with you. Why do you think I hate those bastards as much as I do? I've been watching a lecture series on the history of the muzzies... many hour's worth, in fact, and the muzzies have been that way for thousands of years. It's in their culture. Every few hundred years, they try to invade Europe or some other region nearby, and have to be beaten back. They just need to be eliminated to whatever extent that's possible. You can't kill ideas completely, but you can set them back a few generations when necessary.
One important distinction between islam and christianity, is both religions have historically used their "beliefs" as a means to control the ignorant Unwashed Masses, only Western civilization became educated enough to take that power away from the clergy. The muzzies like their citizens to remain dumb, brainwashed, and obedient. That's why the radical ones are nearly all from The Land That Time Forgot. They're still stuck back in the fourteenth century, and suffer from the delusional notion that they're going to drag the rest of the world back there with them. As I see it, there's only one solution to that problem, and it's the same one we use to rid ourselves of rats, cockroaches, and other vermin." - Checkmate said this psycho lunatic shit in <MPG.34138d3d6...@news.altopia.com>
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"What you see happening in Europe now... defiant muzzies openly proclaiming that they have no desire to "assimilate" or co-exist with Europeans, and stating that their objective is to turn all of Europe into a muzzie dominated region under sharia law, is the harbinger of what they have planned for the US. To what extent they'll be successful with that here can be debated, but should not be underestimated. I wish I could share your optimism in that regard, but I don't.
Terror attacks are only one page out of the muzzie play book. They serve more as a distraction. The real goal is occupation, and that's already well underway. They've got that frog pretty well boiled in Europe now, and they're getting bolder by the day. The longer the Europeans wait to do something about it, the harder it's going to be TO do anything about it. It may already be too late IMO. This is going to get real messy in a hurry." - Checkmate crying about some bullshit about muslims in europe that's he's convinced himself is true.
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"Bitches don't get to use the Pussy Card when they initiate an
assault." - Cuckmate the Wonder Klown in <dfrauh.8...@news.alt.net>
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"Thanks to muzzies and their apologist-enablers like puppy whistle, this seems to be the new norm in the world. It's spreading like a cancer, and it's time we admit we're at war with pure evil. We need to put an end to this muzzie plague, or life on Earth is going to become pure hell everywhere. We need to get these people out of every civilized country, and there's only one way to do it. IOW, we have to become like them, with an emphasis on expediency over cruelty." - Herr Fuhrer Checkmate (of alt.checkmate)
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"Pussy Willow has just proven that Trump's crackdown on previously unenforced immigration policies is working. We'll deal with the domestic terrorists as needed, but we don't need to be letting the muzzie terrorists get a foothold in our country too. One need only look at what they're doing in Europe right now to know we're doing the right thing by keeping them out, which is our right and our duty. - Checkmate (#1 pussy willow fan)
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"You just made puppy whistle's sig line longer." - Janithor
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STOP! (janithor time.):
i hope his sails weren't torn asunder with words on a screen, or
somesuch, but also i hope that his pain is not as bad as the murderguy
who got hit with a skateboard. - anynonymous
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"If I have a complaint about the (Southern Poverty) Law Center's description (of the alt-right movement), it is the phrase "heavy use of social media," which implies the alt-right is a real-world movement which uses a lot of social media. This is backwards: it is an online movement which occasionally appears in the real world. Where it gets punched." - Jason Rhode
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"I think we should destroy every last fucking mosque in America." - "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic...@The.Edge> proves for us that white males are violent in Message-ID: <MPG.32c5bfef...@news.altopia.com>
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"I wasn't even aware that I HAD a religion. I'm pretty-much against all of The Big Three, but the muzzies are at the top of the list." - Checkmate
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"Such "places of worship" are terrorist breeding grounds, as has been proven on many occasions. Please refrain from morphing out of my
killfile." - Checkmate on his belief that all Mosques are where terrorists are.
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"Is Pussy Willow saying you're a bigger nazi puke than me? You didn't even suggest that maybe we ought to burn down all the mosques. This just isn't fair!" - Checkmate admits to suggesting burning down mosques.
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"The world IS shit, and getting closer to hitting the fan every day. We'll be at war before the end of this decade, and nearly everybody
already knows it." - Checkmate teh war hawk, in 2017
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Golden Killfile, June 2005
KOTM, November 2006
Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007
Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006
Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
AUK Mascot, September 2007
Putting the Awards Out of Order to Screw With the OCD Fuckheads, March 2016
ray...@raybanana.net
Mar 19, 2022, 5:10:38โฏAM3/19/22
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Am 12.03.2022 um 21:52 schrieb J. P. Gilliver (John):
> It's not a problem of _displaying_ them, it's that E-S (apparently only
> sometimes! The explanation may be in what Ray just posted, which is
> above my understanding ability level) bounces posts with such characters
> _in the subject line_ - even if posted as a follow-up to posts (with
> such characters in the subject) _downloaded from E-S itself_.
Nope, some newsreaders are not only unable to properly display encoded
header lines, they also garble them when they create replies. It's these
garbled replies that are rejected by the server.
--
ะัฬััะฝ โ ั ัะนะปะพฬ
> It's not a problem of _displaying_ them, it's that E-S (apparently only
> sometimes! The explanation may be in what Ray just posted, which is
> above my understanding ability level) bounces posts with such characters
> _in the subject line_ - even if posted as a follow-up to posts (with
> such characters in the subject) _downloaded from E-S itself_.
Nope, some newsreaders are not only unable to properly display encoded
header lines, they also garble them when they create replies. It's these
garbled replies that are rejected by the server.
--
ะัฬััะฝ โ ั ัะนะปะพฬ
Adam H. Kerman
Mar 19, 2022, 1:11:39โฏPM3/19/22
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>It's not a problem of _displaying_ them, it's that E-S (apparently only
>sometimes! The explanation may be in what Ray just posted, which is
>above my understanding ability level) bounces posts with such characters
>_in the subject line_ - even if posted as a follow-up to posts (with
>such characters in the subject) _downloaded from E-S itself_.
This is a feature. You want this. Unencoded non-ASCII characters are
>sometimes! The explanation may be in what Ray just posted, which is
>above my understanding ability level) bounces posts with such characters
>_in the subject line_ - even if posted as a follow-up to posts (with
>such characters in the subject) _downloaded from E-S itself_.
nonstandard on headers. If the newsreader attempts to post unencoded
non-ASCII characters on Subject, it's broken.
I attempt to avoid posting non-ASCII characters on Subject.
Use these two helpful tools:
Copy-and-paste the raw text from Subject with the encoded word to output
unencoded non-ASCII.
https://dogmamix.com/MimeHeadersDecoder/
With this tool, most unencoded non-ASCII characters are substituted with
ASCII counterparts.
https://dan.hersam.com/tools/smart-quotes.php
Typically, it's non-ASCII quotes causing the problem, but you'll have to
manually substitute "combining characters", the accented vowels and
other characters with diacritical marks, with ASCII.
fwiw, teletypewriters were perfectly capable of doing combining
characters with backspace/overstrike sequences although only a few
accents are available in ASCII. It was never true that ASCII wasn't
intended to represent European languages using the Latin alphabet but
there weren't quite enough accents to do so.
Video terminals weren't usually able to properly display combining
characters, alas.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Mar 19, 2022, 4:37:54โฏPM3/19/22
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On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 at 10:10:39, ray...@raybanana.net wrote (my
responses usually FOLLOW):
I've discovered (I think) that mine (Turnpike) is most insidious: when
_receiving_ a properly-encoded header (such as Subject:) line, it
decodes it correctly, displaying the characters as the poster intended.
But when I post a _followup_ to such a posting, it includes those
characters - raw - in the subject line, which E-S then (correctly)
bounces.
At least, I think that's the case.
TIME being FORCED to do so - Big Bad Bob in alt.comp.windows-10 2021-9-9
responses usually FOLLOW):
_receiving_ a properly-encoded header (such as Subject:) line, it
decodes it correctly, displaying the characters as the poster intended.
But when I post a _followup_ to such a posting, it includes those
characters - raw - in the subject line, which E-S then (correctly)
bounces.
At least, I think that's the case.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
old dogs CAN learn new tricks, it's just that they don't want to WASTE
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
TIME being FORCED to do so - Big Bad Bob in alt.comp.windows-10 2021-9-9
Lewis
Mar 20, 2022, 1:06:15โฏPM3/20/22
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In message <S+kE4jpI7jNiFwKA@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 at 10:10:39, ray...@raybanana.net wrote (my
> responses usually FOLLOW):
>>Am 12.03.2022 um 21:52 schrieb J. P. Gilliver (John):
>>
>>> It's not a problem of _displaying_ them, it's that E-S (apparently
>>>only sometimes! The explanation may be in what Ray just posted, which
>>>is above my understanding ability level) bounces posts with such
>>>characters _in the subject line_ - even if posted as a follow-up to
>>>posts (with such characters in the subject) _downloaded from E-S itself_.
>>
>>Nope, some newsreaders are not only unable to properly display encoded
>>header lines, they also garble them when they create replies. It's these
>>garbled replies that are rejected by the server.
>>
> I've discovered (I think) that mine (Turnpike) is most insidious: when
> _receiving_ a properly-encoded header (such as Subject:) line, it
> decodes it correctly, displaying the characters as the poster intended.
> But when I post a _followup_ to such a posting, it includes those
> characters - raw - in the subject line, which E-S then (correctly)
> bounces.
If that is true then it's time to get a proper newsreader.
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 at 10:10:39, ray...@raybanana.net wrote (my
> responses usually FOLLOW):
>>Am 12.03.2022 um 21:52 schrieb J. P. Gilliver (John):
>>
>>> It's not a problem of _displaying_ them, it's that E-S (apparently
>>>only sometimes! The explanation may be in what Ray just posted, which
>>>is above my understanding ability level) bounces posts with such
>>>characters _in the subject line_ - even if posted as a follow-up to
>>>posts (with such characters in the subject) _downloaded from E-S itself_.
>>
>>Nope, some newsreaders are not only unable to properly display encoded
>>header lines, they also garble them when they create replies. It's these
>>garbled replies that are rejected by the server.
>>
> I've discovered (I think) that mine (Turnpike) is most insidious: when
> _receiving_ a properly-encoded header (such as Subject:) line, it
> decodes it correctly, displaying the characters as the poster intended.
> But when I post a _followup_ to such a posting, it includes those
> characters - raw - in the subject line, which E-S then (correctly)
> bounces.
--
Stone circles were common enough everywhere in the mountains. Druids
built them as weather computers, and since it was always cheaper
to build a new 33-Megalith circle than to upgrade an old slow
one, there were generally plenty of ancient ones around --Lords
and Ladies
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Mar 20, 2022, 1:17:19โฏPM3/20/22
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 at 17:06:14, Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me>
... (-:
>--
>Stone circles were common enough everywhere in the mountains. Druids
> built them as weather computers, and since it was always cheaper
> to build a new 33-Megalith circle than to upgrade an old slow
> one, there were generally plenty of ancient ones around --Lords
> and Ladies
LOL. (Pratchett?)
I remember when Megaliths were only something you could dream about; we
struggled by with just a few kiloliths ...
- Richard Osman, RT 2016/7/9-15
wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>In message <S+kE4jpI7jNiFwKA@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John)
><G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 at 10:10:39, ray...@raybanana.net wrote (my
>> responses usually FOLLOW):
>>>Am 12.03.2022 um 21:52 schrieb J. P. Gilliver (John):
>>>
>>>> It's not a problem of _displaying_ them, it's that E-S (apparently
>>>>only sometimes! The explanation may be in what Ray just posted, which
>>>>is above my understanding ability level) bounces posts with such
>>>>characters _in the subject line_ - even if posted as a follow-up to
>>>>posts (with such characters in the subject) _downloaded from E-S itself_.
>>>
>>>Nope, some newsreaders are not only unable to properly display encoded
>>>header lines, they also garble them when they create replies. It's these
>>>garbled replies that are rejected by the server.
>>>
>> I've discovered (I think) that mine (Turnpike) is most insidious: when
>> _receiving_ a properly-encoded header (such as Subject:) line, it
>> decodes it correctly, displaying the characters as the poster intended.
>> But when I post a _followup_ to such a posting, it includes those
>> characters - raw - in the subject line, which E-S then (correctly)
>> bounces.
>
>If that is true then it's time to get a proper newsreader.
>
I should. But I've been using it since at least 1995, and it'd be hard
>In message <S+kE4jpI7jNiFwKA@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John)
><G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 at 10:10:39, ray...@raybanana.net wrote (my
>> responses usually FOLLOW):
>>>Am 12.03.2022 um 21:52 schrieb J. P. Gilliver (John):
>>>
>>>> It's not a problem of _displaying_ them, it's that E-S (apparently
>>>>only sometimes! The explanation may be in what Ray just posted, which
>>>>is above my understanding ability level) bounces posts with such
>>>>characters _in the subject line_ - even if posted as a follow-up to
>>>>posts (with such characters in the subject) _downloaded from E-S itself_.
>>>
>>>Nope, some newsreaders are not only unable to properly display encoded
>>>header lines, they also garble them when they create replies. It's these
>>>garbled replies that are rejected by the server.
>>>
>> I've discovered (I think) that mine (Turnpike) is most insidious: when
>> _receiving_ a properly-encoded header (such as Subject:) line, it
>> decodes it correctly, displaying the characters as the poster intended.
>> But when I post a _followup_ to such a posting, it includes those
>> characters - raw - in the subject line, which E-S then (correctly)
>> bounces.
>
>If that is true then it's time to get a proper newsreader.
>
... (-:
>--
>Stone circles were common enough everywhere in the mountains. Druids
> built them as weather computers, and since it was always cheaper
> to build a new 33-Megalith circle than to upgrade an old slow
> one, there were generally plenty of ancient ones around --Lords
> and Ladies
I remember when Megaliths were only something you could dream about; we
struggled by with just a few kiloliths ...
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
You know what the big secret about posh people is? Most of them are lovely.
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
- Richard Osman, RT 2016/7/9-15
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Mar 23, 2022, 8:16:09โฏAM3/23/22
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 17:06:14 -0000 (UTC), LO AND BEHOLD; Lewis
<g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> determined that the following was of
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= In message <S+kE4jpI7jNiFwKA@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John)
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 at 10:10:39, ray...@raybanana.net wrote (my
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= responses usually FOLLOW):
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Am 12.03.2022 um 21:52 schrieb J. P. Gilliver (John):
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= It's not a problem of _displaying_ them, it's that E-S (apparently only
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= sometimes! The explanation may be in what Ray just posted, which is
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= above my understanding ability level) bounces posts with such
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= characters _in the subject line_ - even if posted as a follow-up to
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= posts (with such characters in the subject) _downloaded from E-S
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= itself_.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Nope, some newsreaders are not only unable to properly display encoded
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= header lines, they also garble them when they create replies. It's
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= these garbled replies that are rejected by the server.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= I've discovered (I think) that mine (Turnpike) is most insidious: when
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= _receiving_ a properly-encoded header (such as Subject:) line, it
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= decodes it correctly, displaying the characters as the poster intended.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= But when I post a _followup_ to such a posting, it includes those
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= characters - raw - in the subject line, which E-S then (correctly)
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= bounces.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= If that is true then it's time to get a proper newsreader.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
a properly designed reader would differentiate between the original text and what has been displayed.
you'd swear it was rocket surgery...
<g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> determined that the following was of
great importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<slrnt3eno5....@zephyrus.local>:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= In message <S+kE4jpI7jNiFwKA@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John)
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 at 10:10:39, ray...@raybanana.net wrote (my
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= responses usually FOLLOW):
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Am 12.03.2022 um 21:52 schrieb J. P. Gilliver (John):
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= It's not a problem of _displaying_ them, it's that E-S (apparently only
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= sometimes! The explanation may be in what Ray just posted, which is
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= above my understanding ability level) bounces posts with such
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= characters _in the subject line_ - even if posted as a follow-up to
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= posts (with such characters in the subject) _downloaded from E-S
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= itself_.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Nope, some newsreaders are not only unable to properly display encoded
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= header lines, they also garble them when they create replies. It's
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= these garbled replies that are rejected by the server.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= I've discovered (I think) that mine (Turnpike) is most insidious: when
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= _receiving_ a properly-encoded header (such as Subject:) line, it
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= decodes it correctly, displaying the characters as the poster intended.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= But when I post a _followup_ to such a posting, it includes those
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= characters - raw - in the subject line, which E-S then (correctly)
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= bounces.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= If that is true then it's time to get a proper newsreader.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
a properly designed reader would differentiate between the original text and what has been displayed.
you'd swear it was rocket surgery...
yamo'
Apr 3, 2022, 7:07:54โฏAM4/3/22
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Hi,
Sn!pe a รฉcrit :
> MacSOUP mostly handles utf-8 fine but a rendering problem arises here
> when the fonts available to MacSOUP do not contain the exotic characters
> (assuming the MIME Content-Type: declaration is valid).
For information.
There is a french project for people which still using MacSoup :
<https://maccafe-osx.pagesperso-orange.fr/>
French mac users seems to like it.
HTH
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Stรฉphane not on Mac.
Sn!pe a รฉcrit :
> MacSOUP mostly handles utf-8 fine but a rendering problem arises here
> when the fonts available to MacSOUP do not contain the exotic characters
> (assuming the MIME Content-Type: declaration is valid).
There is a french project for people which still using MacSoup :
<https://maccafe-osx.pagesperso-orange.fr/>
French mac users seems to like it.
HTH
--
Stรฉphane not on Mac.
Sn!pe
Apr 3, 2022, 7:38:44โฏAM4/3/22
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