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xadamski

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Sep 16, 2023, 3:06:14 PM9/16/23
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i was today years old when i (finally) learnt how to configure the
usenet. for now it seems everything works fine, partially thanks to this
group's previous posts. i have already subscribed to groups on
intetresting to me topics and now it's time to take part in discussions.
have a great day everybody!

Marco Moock

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Sep 16, 2023, 3:44:42 PM9/16/23
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Great, have fun!

Sn!pe

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Sep 16, 2023, 5:30:57 PM9/16/23
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It's good to see you here, xadamski; welcome to Usenet.

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Mortimer Houghton

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Sep 16, 2023, 9:01:55 PM9/16/23
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Welcome. I'm new here as well

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Rob Loranger

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Sep 16, 2023, 9:35:51 PM9/16/23
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Welcome from another new user 😎

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xadamski

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Sep 17, 2023, 1:43:06 AM9/17/23
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W dniu 16.09.2023 o 21:06, xadamski pisze:
basically, after 10 hours here, particularry on polnet, i see threads
either dead or full of people who have probably never heard of
netiquette. interesting experience.

Marco Moock

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Sep 17, 2023, 3:24:11 AM9/17/23
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Am 17.09.2023 um 07:43:03 Uhr schrieb xadamski:

> basically, after 10 hours here, particularry on polnet, i see threads
> either dead or full of people who have probably never heard of
> netiquette. interesting experience.

Some are, but there are interesting technical discussions in comp.* and
uk.*.

Sn!pe

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Sep 17, 2023, 7:35:21 AM9/17/23
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You need to filter out the crap, there's still good stuff in many
groups. The clowns try to swamp the regular users so that new guys
take a look, wrongly conclude that it's ~all~ junk, and go elsewhere.

vort3

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Sep 17, 2023, 8:59:41 AM9/17/23
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On 2023-09-17 01:06, xadamski wrote:
> have a great day everybody!

And here's my first ever reply (IIRC). I was lurking for some time actually.

xadamski

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Sep 17, 2023, 9:08:23 AM9/17/23
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W dniu 17.09.2023 o 13:35, Sn!pe pisze:

>
> You need to filter out the crap, there's still good stuff in many
> groups. The clowns try to swamp the regular users so that new guys
> take a look, wrongly conclude that it's ~all~ junk, and go elsewhere.
>

i'm too old to not know this and too lazy to turn the filters on.
besides, those trolls are kinda enjoyable.

David W. Hodgins

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Sep 17, 2023, 10:34:03 AM9/17/23
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Lol. They do get tiring though. I started using usenet in the early 80's, when
the bbs I was using added a relay.

Now filtering cuts down on a lot of the trolls and spam. I recommend filtering out
anything with news.mixmin.net or news.theremailer.net in the path.

They are used for anonymous email to usenet posting, which is fine, but too many
extreme trolls have made them primarily a source of noise that's a waste of time.

Same with anything cross posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy, alt.flame, alt.abortion,
or alt.politics.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

Adam H. Kerman

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Sep 17, 2023, 2:13:07 PM9/17/23
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xadamski <krzy...@adamski.gdn> wrote:

>>. . .

>basically, after 10 hours here, particularry on polnet, i see threads
>either dead or full of people who have probably never heard of
>netiquette. interesting experience.

Welcome to Usenet. The very first lesson to learn is not to complain
about what everybody else is doing, to set a good example, to post on
topic, and generally, don't be immature.

You cannot control the behavior of others. You can ignore them. If you
enter a newsgroup because you are interested in reading about its topic
but you DON'T see discussion of interest, then your job is to start
interesting discussion.

But most of all, don't be immature. Part of not being immature is using
your shift key properly to make sentence case.

Blue-Maned_Hawk

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Sep 17, 2023, 2:29:50 PM9/17/23
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Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> But most of all, don't be immature. Part of not being immature is using
> your shift key properly to make sentence case.

There's no problem in all-lowercasing one's words. It's just a dialectal
difference that's still completely understandable by everyone else.



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it's over by the fact that there are no more words in it





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bluemanedhawk.github.io





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blu.mÉ›in.dʰak/│he/him/his/himself/Mr.
bluemanedhawk.github.io





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yeti

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Sep 17, 2023, 2:51:03 PM9/17/23
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"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> writes:

> Welcome to Usenet. The very first lesson to learn is not to complain
> about what everybody else is doing, to set a good example, to post on
> topic, and generally, don't be immature.
>
> You cannot control the behavior of others. You can ignore them. If you
> enter a newsgroup because you are interested in reading about its topic
> but you DON'T see discussion of interest, then your job is to start
> interesting discussion.
>
> But most of all, don't be immature. Part of not being immature is using
> your shift key properly to make sentence case.

Don't be immature.
You cannot control the behavior of others.

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Sn!pe

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Sep 17, 2023, 4:07:04 PM9/17/23
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Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluema...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
> > But most of all, don't be immature. Part of not being immature is using
> > your shift key properly to make sentence case.
>
> There's no problem in all-lowercasing one's words. It's just a dialectal
> difference that's still completely understandable by everyone else.

To this old fart, it offends my eye and is not as readily comprehensible
as properly constructed sentences. On Usenet, writing in a slovenly
fashion is like playing televised pool with dirty fingernails. [shrug]

Adam H. Kerman

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Sep 17, 2023, 4:24:04 PM9/17/23
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Ah, my constantly-morphing stalker is here.

yeti

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Sep 17, 2023, 5:16:15 PM9/17/23
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I don't think I'm the one you talk about. Tell us more.

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Adam H. Kerman

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Sep 17, 2023, 5:48:50 PM9/17/23
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yeti <ye...@tilde.institute> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> writes:
>>yeti <ye...@tilde.institute> wrote:
>>>Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> writes:

>>>>Welcome to Usenet. The very first lesson to learn is not to complain
>>>>about what everybody else is doing, to set a good example, to post on
>>>>topic, and generally, don't be immature.

>>>>You cannot control the behavior of others. You can ignore them. If you
>>>>enter a newsgroup because you are interested in reading about its topic
>>>>but you DON'T see discussion of interest, then your job is to start
>>>>interesting discussion.

>>>>But most of all, don't be immature. Part of not being immature is using
>>>>your shift key properly to make sentence case.

>>>Don't be immature.
>>>You cannot control the behavior of others.

>>Ah, my constantly-morphing stalker is here.

>I don't think I'm the one you talk about. Tell us more.

Unnecessary. You all can meet amongst yourselves to compare notes. Rent
a large room at the convention center since you keep insisting each of
you is a separate individual.

yeti

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Sep 17, 2023, 5:58:23 PM9/17/23
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Strange kind of paranoia. Get well soon! Meanwhile try a tin foil hat.
The ones with wings are hip again.

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47FBFE71026C816CDD99EDC9237F65023488025022006E79F92017CBA906

Adam H. Kerman

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Sep 17, 2023, 6:17:49 PM9/17/23
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yeti <ye...@tilde.institute> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> writes:
>>yeti <ye...@tilde.institute> wrote:
>>>Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> writes:

>>>I don't think I'm the one you talk about. Tell us more.

>>Unnecessary. You all can meet amongst yourselves to compare
>>notes. Rent a large room at the convention center since you keep
>>insisting each of you is a separate individual.

>Strange kind of paranoia.

If you say so.

>Get well soon! Meanwhile try a tin foil hat. The ones with wings are
>hip again.

Thanks for the fashion advice.

xadamski

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Sep 17, 2023, 8:38:03 PM9/17/23
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W dniu 17.09.2023 o 20:13, Adam H. Kerman pisze:
Adam H. Kerman. Being so mature since 2001 ©. LOL.

https://groups.google.com/g/aus.hi-fi/c/ed7QqoXSLr8

Adam H. Kerman

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Sep 17, 2023, 10:03:41 PM9/17/23
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>Adam H. Kerman. Being so mature since 2001 LOL.

>https://groups.google.com/g/aus.hi-fi/c/ed7QqoXSLr8

Ah. You're a new user but knew who I was. Fascinating. Congratulations
on repairing the shift key.

For those who don't know the story, which is nearly nobody on Usenet,
there were at least three large-scale Denial of Service attacks upon
Usenet in 2001 and 2002. These involved injecting hundreds of thousands,
if not over a million, articles at a time via open proxies in the Bell
Canada network. My email address, as well as the email addresses of a
dozen other people, was used on the From header of these articles. Most
active Usenet groups were affected. The attack was performed by a Hipclone.

yeti

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Sep 18, 2023, 3:22:46 AM9/18/23
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xadamski <krzy...@adamski.gdn> writes:

> Adam H. Kerman. Being so mature since 2001 ©. LOL.
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/aus.hi-fi/c/ed7QqoXSLr8

Nice. \o/

Thanks!

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Daniel65

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Sep 18, 2023, 5:00:22 AM9/18/23
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xadamski wrote on 17/9/23 11:04 pm:
.... and, in some of the newsgroups on the wider UseNet, the trolls are
the only ones there!! ;-(
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Daniel

Marco Moock

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Am 18.09.2023 um 19:00:22 Uhr schrieb Daniel65:

> .... and, in some of the newsgroups on the wider UseNet, the trolls
> are the only ones there!! ;-(

Then search some that don't have the troll, like technical groups.

Daniel65

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Sep 18, 2023, 5:26:35 AM9/18/23
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yeti wrote on 18/9/23 4:51 am:
... but you can try to guide them in correct practices!

Just remember your teachers in your first year of schooling! (Or,
indeed, your parents before then, even!!) They attempted to teach you in
those habits which Society had in place at that time. Were THEY wasting
their time, all those years ago?? ;-)
--
Daniel

Adou

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Sep 18, 2023, 5:40:09 AM9/18/23
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Le 17/09/2023 à 13:35, Sn!pe a écrit :

> The clowns try to swamp the regular users so that new guys
> take a look, wrongly conclude that it's ~all~ junk, and go elsewhere.

Some losers are also happy here because they are moderated or criticized
everywhere else. The French-speaking Usenet group about environnement is
full with climate change denialists, as there are no moderation tools
and normal people don't want to loose time correcting people on a group
seen by 5 persons a year. It's just not worth the effort.

But the effect is the same: I'm not subscribed anymore to
fr.soc.environnement.

Marco Moock

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Am 18.09.2023 um 11:40:07 Uhr schrieb Adou:

> But the effect is the same: I'm not subscribed anymore to
> fr.soc.environnement.

Feel free to do so.
You can also create a filter rule for these users in most newsreaders.

Adam H. Kerman

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Sep 18, 2023, 5:56:00 AM9/18/23
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yeti <ye...@tilde.institute> wrote:
>xadamski <krzy...@adamski.gdn> writes:

>>Adam H. Kerman. Being so mature since 2001 . LOL.

>>https://groups.google.com/g/aus.hi-fi/c/ed7QqoXSLr8

>Nice. \o/

>Thanks!

You had no idea either? Of course not. I believe you.

Adou

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Le 18/09/2023 à 11:49, Marco Moock a écrit :

> Feel free to do so.
> You can also create a filter rule for these users in most newsreaders.

I may give the group an other chance trying that. But according to my
experience, the group will feel empty if I block the problematic users '^^ .

yeti

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Sep 18, 2023, 6:43:18 AM9/18/23
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"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> writes:

What exactly is your problem?

My initial answer to your schooling remarks by only copying your own
statements was meant to be funny!

And I did not even contradict your statement about that post mentioned
above being spam.

But meanwhile your always aggressive reactions make me think that maybe
that spam has turned you into that offensive person you are presenting
to us now?

Lowering score.

Rene Kita

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Sep 18, 2023, 7:36:01 AM9/18/23
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Mortimer Houghton <mort...@vivobook.x512d> wrote:
> Welcome. I'm new here as well

Hi Mortimer,
nice to read you here.

Daniel65

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Sep 18, 2023, 8:24:18 AM9/18/23
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Marco Moock wrote on 18/9/23 7:12 pm:
My technical life ended about thirty years ago.

Now, as they say, I know enough to be dangerous!! ;-P
--
Daniel

xadamski

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Sep 18, 2023, 12:05:49 PM9/18/23
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W dniu 18.09.2023 o 04:03, Adam H. Kerman pisze:

>
> Ah. You're a new user but knew who I was. Fascinating. Congratulations
> on repairing the shift key.
>
> For those who don't know the story, which is nearly nobody on Usenet,
> there were at least three large-scale Denial of Service attacks upon
> Usenet in 2001 and 2002. These involved injecting hundreds of thousands,
> if not over a million, articles at a time via open proxies in the Bell
> Canada network. My email address, as well as the email addresses of a
> dozen other people, was used on the From header of these articles. Most
> active Usenet groups were affected. The attack was performed by a Hipclone.


here, where i live, we say: "tylko winny się tłumaczy" - "only guilty
explains oneself".

have a great day!

xadamski

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W dniu 18.09.2023 o 13:35, Rene Kita pisze:
i am kinda bored today so i checked your websites. rene, yours is great.
no joking mate, it has everything a proper private website should have.
minima maxima est.

cheers!

sticks

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Sep 18, 2023, 1:02:41 PM9/18/23
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My grandpa used to say, "Tell a good lie and stick with it, it's as good
as the truth." Both are wrong.


Adam H. Kerman

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Sep 18, 2023, 5:02:37 PM9/18/23
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xadamski <krzy...@adamski.gdn> wrote:
>W dniu 18.09.2023 o 04:03, Adam H. Kerman pisze:

>>Ah. You're a new user but knew who I was. Fascinating. Congratulations
>>on repairing the shift key.

>>For those who don't know the story, which is nearly nobody on Usenet,
>>there were at least three large-scale Denial of Service attacks upon
>>Usenet in 2001 and 2002. These involved injecting hundreds of thousands,
>>if not over a million, articles at a time via open proxies in the Bell
>>Canada network. My email address, as well as the email addresses of a
>>dozen other people, was used on the From header of these articles. Most
>>active Usenet groups were affected. The attack was performed by a Hipclone.

>here, where i live, we say: "only guilty explains oneself".

>have a great day!

I wasn't explaining MYSELF. I was exposing your lie. An actual new user
wouldn't be aware of this history but you were.

The Hipclone attacks were extremely disruptive and led to new models of
providing News servers: Setting up one host that's exposed to Usenet
upon which Cleanfeed and other filters run, that feeds a second host
that users see after spam countermeasures were taken.

I don't recall when Cleanfeed was first written but I thought it was
around this time. Steve Crook took it over to address Hipclones but then
wrote Pyclean in python.

But I'm telling you what you already know. Too bad you broke your shift
key again.

xadamski

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Sep 18, 2023, 5:52:23 PM9/18/23
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W dniu 18.09.2023 o 23:02, Adam H. Kerman pisze:

>
> I wasn't explaining MYSELF. I was exposing your lie. An actual new user
> wouldn't be aware of this history but you were.
>
> The Hipclone attacks were extremely disruptive and led to new models of
> providing News servers: Setting up one host that's exposed to Usenet
> upon which Cleanfeed and other filters run, that feeds a second host
> that users see after spam countermeasures were taken.
>
> I don't recall when Cleanfeed was first written but I thought it was
> around this time. Steve Crook took it over to address Hipclones but then
> wrote Pyclean in python.
>
> But I'm telling you what you already know. Too bad you broke your shift
> key again.

i love your knowledge but i hate your attitude.
good bye.

[filter on]

sticks

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Sep 18, 2023, 6:39:33 PM9/18/23
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Attitude? Coming from a guy who post a forgery as an attack and then
laughs about it, that's pretty amazing.

Blue-Maned_Hawk

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Sep 18, 2023, 6:55:37 PM9/18/23
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Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluema...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> <snip/>
>
>>X-Face:
>>=?UTF-8?B?
TGxhbmZhaXLDg8KDwoLDg8KCw4LCrXB3bGxnd3luZ3lsbMODwoPCgsODwoLDgsKtZ29nZXI=?=
>> =?UTF-8?B?ecODwoPCgsODwoI=?=
>> =?UTF-8?B?
IMOCwq1jaHd5cm7Dg8KDwoLDg8KCw4LCrWRyb2J3bGzDg8KDwoLDg8KCw4LCrWxsYW7Dg8KDwoLDg8KCw4I=?
=
>> =?UTF-8?B?wq10eXNpbGlv?=
>> =?UTF-8?B?wyCDwoPCgsODwoLDgsKtZ29nb8ODwoPCgsODwoLDgsKtZ29jaA==?=
>
> <snip/>
>
>>--
>>Blue-Maned_Hawk│shortens to Hawk│/
>>blu.mÉ›in.dʰak/│he/him/his/himself/Mr.
>>bluemanedhawk.github.io This sentence doesn't need to end with a period
>>because you can tell that it's over by the fact that there are no more
>>words in it
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Blue-Maned_Hawk│shortens to Hawk│/
>>blu.mÉ›in.dʰak/│he/him/his/himself/Mr.
>>bluemanedhawk.github.io
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Blue-Maned_Hawk│shortens to Hawk│/
>>blu.mÉ›in.dʰak/│he/him/his/himself/Mr.
>>bluemanedhawk.github.io
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Blue-Maned_Hawk│shortens to Hawk│/
>>blu.mÉ›in.dʰak/│he/him/his/himself/Mr.
>>bluemanedhawk.github.io
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Blue-Maned_Hawk│shortens to Hawk│/
>>blu.mÉ›in.dʰak/│he/him/his/himself/Mr.
>>bluemanedhawk.github.io
>
> Thanks for the justification of failing to use the shift key when
> appropropriate and necessary. I might just mention the UTF-8 encoding in
> X-Face (are you supposed to do that?) and all those absurd non-ASCII
> character in your .sigfile, which you appended an amazing four times.
>
> Seriously, dude, what the hell?

- You state it to be a justification of the action, yet then state that
the action is a failure to do something you state to be necessary. This
confuses me. Please clarify.
- I can't seem to find any information on the format used by the X-Face
header—i just put 'Llanfair­pwllgwyngyll­gogery­chwyrn­drobwll­llan­tysilio­gogo­
goch' in the text box in Pan, and it seemed to work. I don't know why Pan
would be trying to encode it in UTF-8.
- It seems that my signature is getting mojibaked by Pan—it's supposed to
have each entry separated by i think '│', but it might have been '┃' or
'🭲' or '🭳' (except for the website link, which is on it's own line
because there's not any room on the first one and therefore it doesn't
need a separator because one can already tell that it's separate by the
fact that it's separated (and which also needs to be replaced soon because
GitHub is classistly forcing the usage of 2FA…))—i don't remember, because
it's all been mojibaked—and a pronunciation explanation for my moniker in
IPA. I have no idea how to fix this.
- The quadrice-appending of the signature is _definitely_ not correct,
but i've figured out how to stop Pan from doing it—it only does it if you
try to use the edit menu in the text editor to edit your posting profiles,
which i've had to try to do because Pan has complained sometimes before
when i try to post something that my server for the profile isn't
configured correctly even when it is, but it turns out the way to fix this
has nothing to do with that menu anyway.



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blu.mÉ›in.dʰak/│he/him/his/himself/Mr.
bluemanedhawk.github.io
And the quadricely-appended signatures didn't even include the specially-
selected bonus comment i added to that post!

Blue-Maned_Hawk

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Sep 18, 2023, 7:15:37 PM9/18/23
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xadamski wrote:

> here, where i live, we say: "tylko winny się tłumaczy" - "only guilty
> explains oneself".

That's horrifying.

Adam H. Kerman

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Sep 18, 2023, 7:15:50 PM9/18/23
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Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluema...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>>. . .

>- You state it to be a justification of the action, yet then state that
>the action is a failure to do something you state to be necessary. This
>confuses me. Please clarify.

Who cares what I think. Everyone is bored now.

>. . .

Blue-Maned_Hawk

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Sep 18, 2023, 7:17:42 PM9/18/23
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Well, that seems a bit rude.

Rene Kita

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Sep 19, 2023, 4:39:51 AM9/19/23
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xadamski <krzy...@adamski.gdn> wrote:
> W dniu 18.09.2023 o 13:35, Rene Kita pisze:
> i am kinda bored today so i checked your websites. rene, yours is great.
> no joking mate, it has everything a proper private website should have.
> minima maxima est.
>
> cheers!

Thanks, I wrote it all myself. ;-)

Adam H. Kerman

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Sep 26, 2023, 3:23:22 PM9/26/23
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s|b <sb.n...@belgacom.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 20:29:14 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:

>>Thanks for the justification of failing to use the shift key when
>>appropropriate and necessary. I might just mention the UTF-8 encoding in
>>X-Face (are you supposed to do that?)

>Face, not X-Face. There's a difference.

My error

The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning

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Oct 23, 2023, 6:48:44 AM10/23/23
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On 9/16/23 19:06, xadamski wrote:
> i was today years old when i (finally) learnt how to configure the
> usenet. for now it seems everything works fine, partially thanks to this
> group's previous posts. i have already subscribed to groups on
> intetresting to me topics and now it's time to take part in discussions.
> have a great day everybody!
Welcome from a returnee who created their account on ES very recently!
I've gone on and off with my Usenet use myself since the mid
twenty-teens, on different servers.

I usually get flamed to hell and back by the extremely high
concentration of religious people (mostly Christians, honestly) for
being trans, nonbinary, plural, atheistic, anything you can come up with.

Welcome to the network, and if you have the ability to, flex your
killfile like it's your rich uncle's Amex; the troll situation is really
bad and has been for decades.
--
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When replying off-Usenet, remember to reply to
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to Eternal September's nymshifting laws, which forbid using different
emails on a single account.

Dan Purgert

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On 2023-10-23, The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote:
> On 9/16/23 19:06, xadamski wrote:
>> i was today years old when i (finally) learnt how to configure the
>> usenet. [...]
> [...]
> I usually get flamed to hell and back by the extremely high
> concentration of religious people (mostly Christians, honestly) for
> being trans, nonbinary, plural, atheistic, anything you can come up with.

Maybe stop joining alt.religion.crazies then? :D

>
> Welcome to the network, and if you have the ability to, flex your
> killfile like it's your rich uncle's Amex; the troll situation is really
> bad and has been for decades.

Yeah, but better that it's in our hands than a small cadre of
like-minded forum mods...


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candycanearter07

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Oct 23, 2023, 8:28:26 AM10/23/23
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On 10/23/23 05:48, The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote:
> On 9/16/23 19:06, xadamski wrote:
>> i was today years old when i (finally) learnt how to configure the
>> usenet. for now it seems everything works fine, partially thanks to
>> this group's previous posts. i have already subscribed to groups on
>> intetresting to me topics and now it's time to take part in discussions.
>> have a great day everybody!
> Welcome from a returnee who created their account on ES very recently!
> I've gone on and off with my Usenet use myself since the mid
> twenty-teens, on different servers.
>
> I usually get flamed to hell and back by the extremely high
> concentration of religious people (mostly Christians, honestly) for
> being trans, nonbinary, plural, atheistic, anything you can come up with.
>
> Welcome to the network, and if you have the ability to, flex your
> killfile like it's your rich uncle's Amex; the troll situation is really
> bad and has been for decades.

Hello!
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Daniel65

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Oct 23, 2023, 8:41:46 AM10/23/23
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The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote on 23/10/23 9:48 pm:
> On 9/16/23 19:06, xadamski wrote:
>> i was today years old when i (finally) learnt how to configure the
>> usenet. for now it seems everything works fine, partially thanks
>> to this group's previous posts. i have already subscribed to groups
>> on intetresting to me topics and now it's time to take part in
>> discussions. have a great day everybody!
> Welcome from a returnee who created their account on ES very
> recently! I've gone on and off with my Usenet use myself since the
> mid twenty-teens, on different servers.
>
> I usually get flamed to hell and back by the extremely high
> concentration of religious people (mostly Christians, honestly) for
> being trans, nonbinary, plural, atheistic, anything you can come up
> with.

'Trans' and 'atheistic' I think I understand .... but what do you mean
by 'nonbinary' and 'plural' in this instance, please??

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Daniel

Adam H. Kerman

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Oct 23, 2023, 1:29:55 PM10/23/23
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It means he's trying to twist himself into a human-sized pretzel as a
post-sexual dude. He also identifies as North Korean queer lesbian
woman.

Blueshirt

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Oct 23, 2023, 4:58:04 PM10/23/23
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Dan Purgert wrote:

> On 2023-10-23, The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote:
> >
> > Welcome to the network, and if you have the ability to, flex your
> > killfile like it's your rich uncle's Amex; the troll situation is
> > really bad and has been for decades.
>
> Yeah, but better that it's in our hands than a small cadre of
> like-minded forum mods...

I tried Reddit a good few years ago and it was the 'one-minded' mods
flexing their muscles by deleting posts willy-nilly that turned me away
from it.

Blue-Maned_Hawk

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Oct 23, 2023, 5:11:01 PM10/23/23
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Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> Daniel65 <dani...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>'Trans' and 'atheistic' I think I understand .... but what do you mean
>>by 'nonbinary' and 'plural' in this instance, please??
>
> It means he's trying to twist himself into a human-sized pretzel as a
> post-sexual dude. He also identifies as North Korean queer lesbian
> woman.

That is not how i've heard those terms used. Please elaborate on your
dialect, because currently you sound to me like a neonazi.



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Adam H. Kerman

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Oct 23, 2023, 9:43:19 PM10/23/23
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You've surely gone into complete asshole mode, haven't you.

You've never heard "trans", "nonbinary", and "plural" used in ways that
aren't mutually exclusive. "Plural" might mean different things that
aren't sexual or gender identities.

Who the fuck cares. Obviously the guy threw words out at random, so I
can throw words out at random too. If you want to indulge him, feel free
to. You don't need my permission. You can call him a neonazi too, 'cuz
that's still more random shit.

Blue-Maned_Hawk

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Oct 23, 2023, 10:22:21 PM10/23/23
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Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluema...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>Daniel65 <dani...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>>>>'Trans' and 'atheistic' I think I understand .... but what do you mean
>>>>by 'nonbinary' and 'plural' in this instance, please??
>
>>>It means he's trying to twist himself into a human-sized pretzel as a
>>>post-sexual dude. He also identifies as North Korean queer lesbian
>>>woman.
>
>>That is not how i've heard those terms used. Please elaborate on your
>>dialect, because currently you sound to me like a neonazi.
>
> You've surely gone into complete asshole mode, haven't you.
>

I meant no assholiness. If i've done any, please let me know what it is
so that i can not do it in the future.

> You've never heard "trans", "nonbinary", and "plural" used in ways that
> aren't mutually exclusive.

I've infact by some seen them used in those ways, and with my dialect i'd
too, e.g. in my dialect ‘nonbinary’ is a subset of ‘trans’ and
‘plural’'sn't to either related.

> "Plural" might mean different things that
> aren't sexual or gender identities.
>

It does in my dialect.

> Who the fuck cares.

Well, that seems a little rude.

> Obviously the guy threw words out at random,

You'ven't evidence of such.

> so I
> can throw words out at random too. If you want to indulge him,

?

> feel free
> to. You don't need my permission. You can call him a neonazi too, 'cuz
> that's still more random shit.

No nonsequiturity's present.



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The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning

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Oct 24, 2023, 8:05:58 AM10/24/23
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nonbinary - neither male nor female. I don't expect anyone to understand
it on first exposure, not least notre ami AHK.

plural - https://morethanone.info/

I'm sorry I haven't gotten to this until now - AHK's explanation, I'm
sure you can appreciate, isn't very accurate, and is part of why I say
to flex your killfile like it's your rich uncle's Amex.

The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning

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Oct 24, 2023, 8:10:09 AM10/24/23
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I cannot stop laughing. This is utterly incoherent.

(I am not going to correct the quotation with they/them pronouns to make
it make slightly more sense because Thunderbird keeps trying to mangle
the message when I do. But that's a thing I shall combat when I can be
bothered. Now is not that time)

Sn!pe

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Oct 24, 2023, 8:58:36 AM10/24/23
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Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluema...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
> > Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluema...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>>Daniel65 <dani...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >
> >>>>'Trans' and 'atheistic' I think I understand .... but what do you mean
> >>>>by 'nonbinary' and 'plural' in this instance, please??

[remainder of article sniffed at and thrown in the garbage]


Why is it that some people feel the need to bring gender controversy
into everything, however inappropriate? [rhet.]

IMO that is as dangerous for group cohesiveness as is [spit] politics
or religion [spit again].

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My pet rock Gordon just is.

Dan Purgert

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Oct 24, 2023, 12:07:45 PM10/24/23
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On 2023-10-24, Sn!pe wrote:
> [...]
> Why is it that some people feel the need to bring gender controversy
> into everything, however inappropriate? [rhet.]
>
> IMO that is as dangerous for group cohesiveness as is [spit] politics
> or religion [spit again].

Hey now, don't you be besmirching the good name of inappropriate topics
by including them with religion and politics!

yeti

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Oct 24, 2023, 1:42:27 PM10/24/23
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snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe) writes:

> Why is it that some people feel the need to bring gender controversy
> into everything, however inappropriate? [rhet.]

I prefer "Don't ask, don't tell."

--
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Sn!pe

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Oct 24, 2023, 2:22:44 PM10/24/23
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Dan Purgert <d...@djph.net> wrote:

> On 2023-10-24, Sn!pe wrote:
> > [...]
> > Why is it that some people feel the need to bring gender controversy
> > into everything, however inappropriate? [rhet.]
> >
> > IMO that is as dangerous for group cohesiveness as is [spit] politics
> > or religion [spit again].
>
> Hey now, don't you be besmirching the good name of inappropriate topics
> by including them with religion and politics!

At least I didn't mention football...

Adam H. Kerman

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Oct 24, 2023, 8:56:33 PM10/24/23
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The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning <drago...@chatspeed.net> wrote:
>On 10/23/23 12:41, Daniel65 wrote:
>> The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote on 23/10/23 9:48 pm:
>>> On 9/16/23 19:06, xadamski wrote:
>>>> i was today years old when i (finally) learnt how to configure the
>>>>  usenet. for now it seems everything works fine, partially thanks
>>>> to this group's previous posts. i have already subscribed to groups
>>>> on intetresting to me topics and now it's time to take part in
>>>> discussions. have a great day everybody!
>>> Welcome from a returnee who created their account on ES very
>>> recently! I've gone on and off with my Usenet use myself since the
>>> mid twenty-teens, on different servers.
>>>
>>> I usually get flamed to hell and back by the extremely high
>>> concentration of religious people (mostly Christians, honestly) for
>>> being trans, nonbinary, plural, atheistic, anything you can come up
>>> with.
>>
>> 'Trans' and 'atheistic' I think I understand .... but what do you mean
>> by 'nonbinary' and 'plural' in this instance, please??
>>
>nonbinary - neither male nor female. I don't expect anyone to understand
>it on first exposure, not least notre ami AHK.

"trans" isn't nonbinary. "nonbinary" isn't trans. They are mutually
exclusive terms.

>plural - https://morethanone.info/

>I'm sorry I haven't gotten to this until now - AHK's explanation, I'm
>sure you can appreciate, isn't very accurate, and is part of why I say
>to flex your killfile like it's your rich uncle's Amex.

If you wish to return the offense you've taken, I'll double your money
back.

Daniel65

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Oct 24, 2023, 11:40:27 PM10/24/23
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Sn!pe wrote on 24/10/2023 11:58 pm:
> Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluema...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluema...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>> Daniel65 <dani...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> 'Trans' and 'atheistic' I think I understand .... but what
>>>>>> do you mean by 'nonbinary' and 'plural' in this instance,
>>>>>> please??
>
> [remainder of article sniffed at and thrown in the garbage]
>
>
> Why is it that some people feel the need to bring gender controversy
> into everything, however inappropriate? [rhet.]

Sorry! Didn't mean to offend anyone, just trying to educate myself a bit!

> IMO that is as dangerous for group cohesiveness as is [spit]
> politics or religion [spit again].
>
--
Daniel

Daniel65

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Oct 24, 2023, 11:49:40 PM10/24/23
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The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote on 24/10/2023 11:05 pm:
> On 10/23/23 12:41, Daniel65 wrote:
>> The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote on 23/10/23 9:48 pm:
>>> On 9/16/23 19:06, xadamski wrote:
>>>> i was today years old when i (finally) learnt how to configure the
>>>> usenet. for now it seems everything works fine, partially thanks
>>>> to this group's previous posts. i have already subscribed to groups
>>>> on intetresting to me topics and now it's time to take part in
>>>> discussions. have a great day everybody!
>>> Welcome from a returnee who created their account on ES very
>>> recently! I've gone on and off with my Usenet use myself since the
>>> mid twenty-teens, on different servers.
>>>
>>> I usually get flamed to hell and back by the extremely high
>>> concentration of religious people (mostly Christians, honestly) for
>>> being trans, nonbinary, plural, atheistic, anything you can come up
>>> with.
>>
>> 'Trans' and 'atheistic' I think I understand .... but what do you mean
>> by 'nonbinary' and 'plural' in this instance, please??
>>
> nonbinary - neither male nor female. I don't expect anyone to understand
> it on first exposure, not least notre ami AHK.

So someone who in not interested in having sexual relations with either
Men or Women .... i.e. ASEXUAL!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality

> plural - https://morethanone.info/

So what used to be called "Split Personality"??
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Daniel

Blue-Maned_Hawk

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Oct 25, 2023, 12:13:10 AM10/25/23
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Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> "trans" isn't nonbinary. "nonbinary" isn't trans. They are mutually
> exclusive terms.

As i mentioned elsewhere in the thread, i think that this is a dialectal
difference—in my dialect, ‘nonbinary’ is a subset of ‘trans’, and i've
witnessed others use the terms as such.



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yeti

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Oct 25, 2023, 12:55:57 AM10/25/23
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Do we really need to discuss the contents of others' slips HERE?
Aren't there better places for it?

Adam H. Kerman

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Oct 25, 2023, 1:03:58 AM10/25/23
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Daniel65 <dani...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>Sn!pe wrote on 24/10/2023 11:58 pm:
>>Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluema...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluema...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>>Daniel65 <dani...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>>>>>>>'Trans' and 'atheistic' I think I understand .... but what
>>>>>>>do you mean by 'nonbinary' and 'plural' in this instance,
>>>>>>>please??

>>[remainder of article sniffed at and thrown in the garbage]

>>Why is it that some people feel the need to bring gender controversy
>>into everything, however inappropriate? [rhet.]

>Sorry! Didn't mean to offend anyone, just trying to educate myself a bit!

You didn't bring it up. The O.P. did.

Adam H. Kerman

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Oct 25, 2023, 1:12:47 AM10/25/23
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Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluema...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman wrote:

>>"trans" isn't nonbinary. "nonbinary" isn't trans. They are mutually
>>exclusive terms.

>As i mentioned elsewhere in the thread, i think that this is a dialectal
>difference-in my dialect, 'nonbinary' is a subset of 'trans', and i've
>witnessed others use the terms as such.

Then those people misused the terms, clearly. Obviously, "trans" refers
to having transitioned from one sex to the other. They are not claiming
to be nonbinary. Those claiming to be "nonbinary" aren't transitioning.

And go fuck yourself on your "dialectal difference"; "because currently
you sound to me like a neonazi" isn't a matter of dialect. You were being
an asshole.

Daniel65

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Oct 25, 2023, 8:32:26 AM10/25/23
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Adam H. Kerman wrote on 25/10/23 4:12 pm:
> Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluema...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
>>> "trans" isn't nonbinary. "nonbinary" isn't trans. They are
>>> mutually exclusive terms.
>
>> As i mentioned elsewhere in the thread, i think that this is a
>> dialectal difference-in my dialect, 'nonbinary' is a subset of
>> 'trans', and i've witnessed others use the terms as such.
>
> Then those people misused the terms, clearly. Obviously, "trans"
> refers to having transitioned from one sex to the other. They are not
> claiming to be nonbinary. Those claiming to be "nonbinary" aren't
> transitioning.

Educate me, please, .... does "trans" also include 'transvestite', i.e.
a person who 'likes' to wear clothing usually worn by persons of the
other sex, but not necessarily wanting to go 'under the knife'??

Or don't these peoples exist now-a-days??
--
Daniel

Blue-Maned_Hawk

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Oct 25, 2023, 4:33:13 PM10/25/23
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Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluema...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
>>>"trans" isn't nonbinary. "nonbinary" isn't trans. They are mutually
>>>exclusive terms.
>
>>As i mentioned elsewhere in the thread, i think that this is a dialectal
>>difference-in my dialect, 'nonbinary' is a subset of 'trans', and i've
>>witnessed others use the terms as such.
>
> Then those people misused the terms, clearly. Obviously, "trans" refers
> to having transitioned from one sex to the other. They are not claiming
> to be nonbinary. Those claiming to be "nonbinary" aren't transitioning.

Ah, here now further dialectal differences are. In my dialect, ‘trans’ is
a matter of gender, not sex, and refers to any higher satisfaction with
any gender other that one's assigned. Nonbinarity as a subset of
transness trivially follows.

Your emphasis on “clearly”ness indicates an assumption of your own
perceptions's truth. Your emphasis on “obviously”ness is impolite,
dismissive, and assumptive.

> And go fuck yourself on your "dialectal difference"; "because currently
> you sound to me like a neonazi" isn't a matter of dialect. You were
> being an asshole.

I never claimed that that sentence was a dialectal difference thing.
What?



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Blue-Maned_Hawk

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Oct 25, 2023, 4:35:24 PM10/25/23
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Daniel65 wrote:

> Educate me, please, .... does "trans" also include 'transvestite', i.e.
> a person who 'likes' to wear clothing usually worn by persons of the
> other sex, but not necessarily wanting to go 'under the knife'??
>
> Or don't these peoples exist now-a-days??

Crossdressing and transgenderness are distinct concepts independent of
each other.



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Adam H. Kerman

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Oct 25, 2023, 5:34:26 PM10/25/23
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I have no idea if transvestites also abbreviate the word as "trans", but
that's a very different concept.

Adam H. Kerman

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Oct 25, 2023, 5:40:54 PM10/25/23
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Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluema...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluema...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:

>>>>"trans" isn't nonbinary. "nonbinary" isn't trans. They are mutually
>>>>exclusive terms.

>>>As i mentioned elsewhere in the thread, i think that this is a dialectal
>>>difference-in my dialect, 'nonbinary' is a subset of 'trans', and i've
>>>witnessed others use the terms as such.

>>Then those people misused the terms, clearly. Obviously, "trans" refers
>>to having transitioned from one sex to the other. They are not claiming
>>to be nonbinary. Those claiming to be "nonbinary" aren't transitioning.

>Ah, here now further dialectal differences are. In my dialect, 'trans' is
>a matter of gender, not sex, and refers to any higher satisfaction with
>any gender other that one's assigned.

"Sex assigned at birth" is an obnoxious and insulting concept. You
cannot excuse use of that on the basis of "dialect" either. You haven't
convinced me that we're just having a misunderstanding and that you
weren't being an asshole all along, so please be so kind as to fuck off.

You get the last word on the rest.

I'm spitting out the hook now. I apologize to Usenet for troll feeding.

Blue-Maned_Hawk

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Oct 25, 2023, 8:10:19 PM10/25/23
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Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> "Sex assigned at birth" is an obnoxious and insulting concept.

Well, that's new. What mean you by that?

> You
> cannot excuse use of that on the basis of "dialect" either. You haven't
> convinced me that we're just having a misunderstanding and that you
> weren't being an asshole all along, so please be so kind as to fuck off.

I do not seek to be an asshole. If i've done so, please tell me what i've
done so that i can not to it in the future.

> You get the last word on the rest.
>
> I'm spitting out the hook now. I apologize to Usenet for troll feeding.

I am not a troll. Why does everyone keep saying that?



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Daniel65

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Oct 26, 2023, 4:07:42 AM10/26/23
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Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote on 26/10/23 7:35 am:
Yes, but does the term "trans" include 'transvestite' or not??
--
Daniel

Adam H. Kerman

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Oct 26, 2023, 12:15:36 PM10/26/23
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You are just going to ask such a person directly if he uses that
abbreviation.

Daniel65

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Oct 27, 2023, 3:29:00 AM10/27/23
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Adam H. Kerman wrote on 27/10/23 3:15 am:
Oh!! O.K., next time I (knowingly) run into one!
--
Daniel

Sn!pe

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Oct 27, 2023, 9:23:05 AM10/27/23
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I find myself compelled by this discussion to publish my

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~ PERSONAL STATEMENT ~

I hereby declare that I am not a "hetero cismale".
I am a normal heterosexual man; proudly XY.

My preferred pronouns are:- xy; xym; xys;
- which are pronounced: he; him; his.

I politely request that those of a different persuasion
should kindly respect my fundamentally male nature.

Microaggressions make me cry; please do not trigger me.

Thank you for your kind attention.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

yeti

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Oct 27, 2023, 9:35:18 AM10/27/23
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snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe) writes:

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~ PERSONAL STATEMENT ~
>
> I hereby declare that I am not a "hetero cismale".
> I am a normal heterosexual man; proudly XY.
>
> My preferred pronouns are:- xy; xym; xys;
> - which are pronounced: he; him; his.
>
> I politely request that those of a different persuasion
> should kindly respect my fundamentally male nature.
>
> Microaggressions make me cry; please do not trigger me.
>
> Thank you for your kind attention.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Don't ask, don't tell.

Please!

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make: don't know how to make enemies. Stop

make: stopped in /home/yeti

Blue-Maned_Hawk

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Oct 27, 2023, 11:09:04 AM10/27/23
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Sn!pe wrote:

> I find myself compelled by this discussion to publish my
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~ PERSONAL STATEMENT ~
>
> I hereby declare that I am not a "hetero cismale".
> I am a normal heterosexual man; proudly XY.
>
> My preferred pronouns are:- xy; xym; xys;
> - which are pronounced: he; him; his.
>
> I politely request that those of a different persuasion should kindly
> respect my fundamentally male nature.
>
> Microaggressions make me cry; please do not trigger me.
>
> Thank you for your kind attention.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

k



--

Adam H. Kerman

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Oct 27, 2023, 1:18:52 PM10/27/23
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Snarf

The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning

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Oct 28, 2023, 10:04:24 AM10/28/23
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As of Fri, 27 Oct 2023 14:22:51 +0100, in message
1qj9jqf.dghcff1l84m4lN%snip...@gmail.com, snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe)
wrote:

>
> I find myself compelled by this discussion to publish my
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~ PERSONAL STATEMENT ~
>
> I hereby declare that I am not a "hetero cismale".
> I am a normal heterosexual man; proudly XY.
>
> My preferred pronouns are:- xy; xym; xys;
> - which are pronounced: he; him; his.
>
> I politely request that those of a different persuasion should kindly
> respect my fundamentally male nature.
>
> Microaggressions make me cry; please do not trigger me.
>
> Thank you for your kind attention.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So... are you saying that you were born female but with XY chromosomes,
and took testosterone to reclaim manhood stolen from you by an accident of
your birth? If so, based.

Sincerely,
Lightning Bjornsson (they, he, xe/hir - explanation available upon private
request)

The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning

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As of Wed, 25 Oct 2023 05:12:45 -0000 (UTC), in message
Most, if not all, nonbinary people who I know, to include thine truly, are
transgender in some way. It... kinda comes with the territory.

--
Lightning Bjornsson <drago...@chatspeed.net> Pan makes it quite
difficult to set a multi-line signature. Some say it should be that way.
Most of those people already have us on their killfile.

Sn!pe

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Oct 28, 2023, 10:09:18 AM10/28/23
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I am a ~normal, unamended~ heterosexual man; proudly XY."

>
> Sincerely,
> Lightning Bjornsson (they, he, xe/hir - explanation available upon private
> request)


Adam H. Kerman

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Oct 28, 2023, 10:28:23 AM10/28/23
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The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning <drago...@chatspeed.net> wrote:
>Wed, 25 Oct 2023 05:12:45 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com>:
>>Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluema...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:

>>>>"trans" isn't nonbinary. "nonbinary" isn't trans. They are mutually
>>>>exclusive terms.

>>>As i mentioned elsewhere in the thread, i think that this is a dialectal
>>>difference-in my dialect, 'nonbinary' is a subset of 'trans', and i've
>>>witnessed others use the terms as such.

>>Then those people misused the terms, clearly. Obviously, "trans" refers
>>to having transitioned from one sex to the other. They are not claiming
>>to be nonbinary. Those claiming to be "nonbinary" aren't transitioning.

>>And go fuck yourself on your "dialectal difference"; "because currently
>>you sound to me like a neonazi" isn't a matter of dialect. You were
>>being an asshole.

>>Those claiming to be nonbinary aren't transitioning.

>Most, if not all, nonbinary people who I know, to include thine truly, are
>transgender in some way. It... kinda comes with the territory.

Oh. You know 27 or so, pretty much everybody? That's nice.

"Nonbinary" is someone who doesn't recognize that either of the two
sexes applies to himself. It's not a transition if it wasn't applicable
to begin with. "Trans" is changing from one to the other. The terms are
mutually exclusive.

One isn't a subset of the other. Both are a subset of utter nonsense, as
this entire thread demonstrates.

Blue-Maned_Hawk

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Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> One isn't a subset of the other. Both are a subset of utter nonsense, as
> this entire thread demonstrates.

I had been percieving you as a regressive, but now that you're explicitly
stating that gender as a concept is nonsense, i see that was an incorrect
perception. Thanks!



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yeti

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Oct 28, 2023, 8:30:47 PM10/28/23
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"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> writes:

> "Trans" is changing from one to the other.

There may be regional differences in the definitions of these terms?

In my surroundings it seems to already apply when someone notices that
case and contents don't fit together.

Adam H. Kerman

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Oct 28, 2023, 9:38:22 PM10/28/23
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You've got that strawman thing mastered, haven't you.

Sn!pe

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Oct 28, 2023, 9:51:36 PM10/28/23
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Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

Apparently a trollish agenda or two have arrived here in e-s.n.

To reiterate: Why is it that some people insist on bringing gender
controversy into everything, however inappropriate? [rhet.]

IMO that is as dangerous for group cohesiveness as is [spit] politics
or religion [spit again]. I hesitate to drag foopball into this spat.

Just my two pennyworth.

Adam H. Kerman

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Oct 28, 2023, 11:20:19 PM10/28/23
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You said "drag"

Blue-Maned_Hawk

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Oct 29, 2023, 1:30:34 AM10/29/23
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Pardon, but see i not how of strawmanning any form this is.



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Blue-Maned_Hawk

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Oct 29, 2023, 1:32:27 AM10/29/23
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Sn!pe wrote:

> Apparently a trollish agenda or two have arrived here in e-s.n.

But man, we was just talkin' 'bout 'ow exactly some people don't got a
genda'!

In all seriousness: ?



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Sn!pe

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Oct 29, 2023, 8:41:27 AM10/29/23
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Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

> Sn!pe <snip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
[...]
> >> You've got that strawman thing mastered, haven't you.
> >
> >Apparently a trollish agenda or two have arrived here in e-s.n.
> >
> >To reiterate: Why is it that some people insist on bringing gender
> >controversy into everything, however inappropriate? [rhet.]
> >
> >IMO that is as dangerous for group cohesiveness as is [spit] politics
> >or religion [spit again]. I hesitate to drag foopball into this spat.
> >
> >Just my two pennyworth.
>
> You said "drag"

Shh, or we'll get the Queen of the May in here.

Sn!pe

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Oct 29, 2023, 8:41:35 AM10/29/23
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In all seriousness, I spat out the hook.

Blue-Maned_Hawk

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Oct 29, 2023, 12:19:16 PM10/29/23
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Sn!pe wrote:

> Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluema...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Sn!pe wrote:
>>
>> > Apparently a trollish agenda or two have arrived here in e-s.n.
>>
>> But man, we was just talkin' 'bout 'ow exactly some people don't got a
>> genda'!
>>
>> In all seriousness: ?
>
> In all seriousness, I spat out the hook.

I have no idea how to parse your statement or what you are saying with it.



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Adam H. Kerman

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Oct 29, 2023, 12:39:28 PM10/29/23
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I'm ruling that we have a seamusing here. I've long suspected it but
this behavior is confirmation.

Blue-Maned_Hawk

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Oct 29, 2023, 7:52:04 PM10/29/23
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Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluema...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>Sn!pe wrote:
>>>Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluema...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>Sn!pe wrote:
>
>>>>>Apparently a trollish agenda or two have arrived here in e-s.n.
>
>>>>But man, we was just talkin' 'bout 'ow exactly some people don't got a
>>>>genda'!
>
>>>>In all seriousness: ?
>
>>>In all seriousness, I spat out the hook.
>
>>I have no idea how to parse your statement or what you are saying with
>>it.
>
> I'm ruling that we have a seamusing here. I've long suspected it but
> this behavior is confirmation.

I looked that term “seamusing” up and could find no definition for it.
What means it?



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sticks

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Oct 29, 2023, 8:19:40 PM10/29/23
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On 10/29/2023 6:52 PM, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>> I'm ruling that we have a seamusing here. I've long suspected it but
>> this behavior is confirmation.
> I looked that term “seamusing” up and could find no definition for it.
> What means it?

Now that's funny coming from someone who clearly rejects any classical
definition of things. I assume you want the "postmodern" definition then?

Blue-Maned_Hawk

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Oct 29, 2023, 11:02:08 PM10/29/23
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Why not give me both of them and tell me which one is which?



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sticks

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Oct 29, 2023, 11:31:57 PM10/29/23
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How about I just give you a couple hints.
The classic definition of Seamusing clearly falls into a category of
behavior associated with mental health issues. The postmodern
definition would deny any mental health issues exist and claim it as
normal behavior. All people leaning toward the classic definition would
therefore be considered bigoted and shunned by the postmodernists.

HTHHAND!

Adam H. Kerman

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Oct 30, 2023, 12:26:33 AM10/30/23
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