Re: [ELP-channel: 321] Digest for elp-channel@googlegroups.com - 3 Messages in 2 Topics

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Richard Pepe

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Greg was right on. If any  one paid attention ONE OF THE SURVIVING sEX pISTOLS confessed that they were so full of shit and that they really did pull the wool over every ones head. punk rock was a way to sell more records to white kids on dope. Proggers had one fault: too many notes (as the King told Mozart in Amadeus). That's the ironic truth.
As Elp Arguably hit their Zenith in 73-73. The high tide of rock music. Musical virtuosity gave way to the gimmick. Take the Group Kiss began their life in 73 and as they rose higher and higher rock as an art form went lower and lower. Rock died  in 79 killed by Disco  Punk, Hair Bands, New wave (well I liked the police) Hip Hop, samplings Marilyn Mansons and finally 50cent and the youtube stars all style over substance even Gaga can be included here too. All attempts to create merchandising wave to sell more records. Let's not forget- radio stations they went to shit too. Soft rock to preprogrammed music. Record Label became greedier when CDs came onto the scene. They were paid back in spades when napster came about. Love them MP3s (not) nothing like taking 3 steps backwards in actual musical quality. MP3s killed DVD-A , SACDs, 24/96 hi rez  multichannel music. Wake up!  Greg is right on period.
Just so you know I was not stuck in the 67-79 era. I loved some of these artists Yello (switzerland), Jean Michel Jarre (France)  Vangelis (Greece), Ozric Tentacles  etc.

Rik Pepe

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    tar...@gate.net Mar 22 08:01PM -0400  

    Never cared for "punk" - BUT as Zappa sez, "If you like, it's music." End of story - I think Greg over-stepped his bounds here...
     
    tarkus
     
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    From: Kevin Farrow
     
    Sent: Mar 22, 2012 6:20 PM
     
    To: elp-c...@googlegroups.com
     
    Subject: Re: [ELP-channel: 319] Age begets wisdom...
     
    I couldn't agree more. The "punk rock" bands of the late '70s gave the music industry a kick up the arse, and although I didn't like a lot of the music, it was a refreshing change from the type of bands, like ELP, that were taking years to write anything new.
     
    A lot of those "punk" bands are still recording, touring and bringing out new albums… whereas Greg and ELP have brought out how many albums in the past 30 years? When was the last Greg Lake album?
     
    I too am a lifelong fan of ELP and have followed them for nearly 40 years (since I first bought Brain Salad Surgery for £2.08) but I think Greg needs to keep some of his thoughts to himself and maybe go write and record a new album.
     
    Kevin Farrow
     
    From: russ wilkins <wilki...@gmail.com>
     
    Reply-To: <elp-c...@googlegroups.com>
     
    Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:15:31 +0000
     
    To: <elp-c...@googlegroups.com>
     
    Subject: [ELP-channel: 318] Age begets wisdom...
     
    As one of the lowlife who was given a lease of life by 'punk rock' Gregs recent comments make difficult reading, as do the comments of the other highly intellectual contributor. Are we to agree that anything played on an instrument that is of three or four chords and is alongside straightforward lyrics is of an inferior nature to other forms of music? - oh well there goes most of the worlds folk music, the Beatles and Bob Dylan etc. The views expressed are singularly uninformed in that I recall Greg was locked away at Compass Point recording 'Love Beach' during the 'punk' heyday ( I rest my case). It is one of the joys of popular music that it shifts with the populace. People at the time were looking for immediacy and the marketing boys went with it. A bit like when groups used to use the NME to distribute a flexidisk promoting their new album. Folk wee more impressed with what the Damned or Televison were doing than watching ELP playing with a live tiger sitting in front of them.
     
    Finally those in glass house etc - The all time worst lyric? The dim old Sex Pistols? The moronic Damned? no I would vote for 'Hallowed be thy Name by ELP - "But many a drunk got drunker
     
    And mostly a thinker, thunker"
     
    a clunker too....
     
    Ps I love ELP to bits. I have bought and re-bought every single release and seen them and their solo shows but, that doesn't give them the excuse to talk shite. The Ramones changed the world of music more than ELP ever did.
     
    Cue hail of abusive emails from clever folk....
     
    R
     
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    Most ignorance is vincible ignorance. We don't know because we don't want to know.
     
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    russ wilkins <wilki...@gmail.com> Mar 22 08:15PM  

    As one of the lowlife who was given a lease of life by 'punk rock' Gregs
    recent comments make difficult reading, as do the comments of the other
    highly intellectual contributor. Are we to agree that anything played on an
    instrument that is of three or four chords and is alongside straightforward
    lyrics is of an inferior nature to other forms of music? - oh well there
    goes most of the worlds folk music, the Beatles and Bob Dylan etc. The
    views expressed are singularly uninformed in that I recall Greg was locked
    away at Compass Point recording 'Love Beach' during the 'punk' heyday ( I
    rest my case). It is one of the joys of popular music that it shifts with
    the populace. People at the time were looking for immediacy and the
    marketing boys went with it. A bit like when groups used to use the NME to
    distribute a flexidisk promoting their new album. Folk wee more impressed
    with what the Damned or Televison were doing than watching ELP playing with
    a live tiger sitting in front of them.
    Finally those in glass house etc - The all time worst lyric? The dim old
    Sex Pistols? The moronic Damned? no I would vote for 'Hallowed be thy Name
    by ELP - "But many a drunk got drunker
    And mostly a thinker, thunker"
     
    a clunker too....
     
    Ps I love ELP to bits. I have bought and re-bought every single release and
    seen them and their solo shows but, that doesn't give them the excuse to
    talk shite. The Ramones changed the world of music more than ELP ever did.
     
    Cue hail of abusive emails from clever folk....
     
    R
     
    Kevin Farrow <ke...@revisionsoftware.com> Mar 22 10:20PM  

    I couldn't agree more. The "punk rock" bands of the late '70s gave the
    music industry a kick up the arse, and although I didn't like a lot of the
    music, it was a refreshing change from the type of bands, like ELP, that
    were taking years to write anything new.
     
    A lot of those "punk" bands are still recording, touring and bringing out
    new albumsŠ whereas Greg and ELP have brought out how many albums in the
    past 30 years? When was the last Greg Lake album?
     
    I too am a lifelong fan of ELP and have followed them for nearly 40 years
    (since I first bought Brain Salad Surgery for £2.08) but I think Greg needs
    to keep some of his thoughts to himself and maybe go write and record a new
    album.
     
    Kevin Farrow
     
    From: russ wilkins <wilki...@gmail.com>
    Reply-To: <elp-c...@googlegroups.com>
    Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:15:31 +0000
    To: <elp-c...@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: [ELP-channel: 318] Age begets wisdom...
     
    As one of the lowlife who was given a lease of life by 'punk rock' Gregs
    recent comments make difficult reading, as do the comments of the other
    highly intellectual contributor. Are we to agree that anything played on an
    instrument that is of three or four chords and is alongside straightforward
    lyrics is of an inferior nature to other forms of music? - oh well there
    goes most of the worlds folk music, the Beatles and Bob Dylan etc. The views
    expressed are singularly uninformed in that I recall Greg was locked away at
    Compass Point recording 'Love Beach' during the 'punk' heyday ( I rest my
    case). It is one of the joys of popular music that it shifts with the
    populace. People at the time were looking for immediacy and the marketing
    boys went with it. A bit like when groups used to use the NME to distribute
    a flexidisk promoting their new album. Folk wee more impressed with what the
    Damned or Televison were doing than watching ELP playing with a live tiger
    sitting in front of them.
    Finally those in glass house etc - The all time worst lyric? The dim old Sex
    Pistols? The moronic Damned? no I would vote for 'Hallowed be thy Name by
    ELP - "But many a drunk got drunker
    And mostly a thinker, thunker"
     
    a clunker too....
     
    Ps I love ELP to bits. I have bought and re-bought every single release and
    seen them and their solo shows but, that doesn't give them the excuse to
    talk shite. The Ramones changed the world of music more than ELP ever did.
     
    Cue hail of abusive emails from clever folk....
     
    R
     
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