PCB milling with bCNC freezes...

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Enrico B.

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Dec 16, 2017, 8:33:08 AM12/16/17
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Hi there, my cyclone is with arduino mega, ramps, grblforcyclone...
When i try to mill a pcb with bCNC, after a minute or two it freezes and cyclone stop moving...
How can i fix this?
Thanks

Carlos García

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Dec 16, 2017, 1:22:18 PM12/16/17
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Hi Enrico! Can you share with us the gcode to check if there is any strange commands in it? Which software did you use to generate the gcode?

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Enrico B.

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Dec 17, 2017, 5:03:03 AM12/17/17
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Hi! Thank you... I use FlatCam...


Il giorno sabato 16 dicembre 2017 19:22:18 UTC+1, Carlos GS ha scritto:
Hi Enrico! Can you share with us the gcode to check if there is any strange commands in it? Which software did you use to generate the gcode?
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Enrico B. <enrico....@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there, my cyclone is with arduino mega, ramps, grblforcyclone...
When i try to mill a pcb with bCNC, after a minute or two it freezes and cyclone stop moving...
How can i fix this?
Thanks

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Nando

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Dec 17, 2017, 6:28:49 AM12/17/17
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I know is not the answer to your question.
But I moved from using bCNC to Candle CNC tool, as I often had odd behavior with bCNC.

It has all that I require and was using in bCNC including the auto-level and honestly the UI is far far better to use.


-Nando
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On 17 December 2017 at 10:03, Enrico B. <enrico....@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi! Thank you... I use FlatCam...

Il giorno sabato 16 dicembre 2017 19:22:18 UTC+1, Carlos GS ha scritto:
Hi Enrico! Can you share with us the gcode to check if there is any strange commands in it? Which software did you use to generate the gcode?
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Enrico B. <enrico....@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there, my cyclone is with arduino mega, ramps, grblforcyclone...
When i try to mill a pcb with bCNC, after a minute or two it freezes and cyclone stop moving...
How can i fix this?
Thanks

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Carlos García

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Dec 17, 2017, 6:59:02 AM12/17/17
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Hi Enrico, I'd suggest reducing arc resolution in flatcam to avoid flooding the controller with tiny motions. Check out the screenshot where even a square has "rounded" corners that are not necessary.

However it's better that you first try the other software that Nando suggested, to see if it handles the gcode better.

Cheers,
Carlos

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Enrico B.

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Dec 17, 2017, 3:06:47 PM12/17/17
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Ok thank you... I'll try it

Enrico B.

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Dec 17, 2017, 3:07:58 PM12/17/17
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Ok thabk you... I made circuits with fritzing... Ok i'll try all your suggestion... Thanks

Enrico B.

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Dec 17, 2017, 3:48:19 PM12/17/17
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Where can i find a manual for Candle?


Il giorno domenica 17 dicembre 2017 12:28:49 UTC+1, Nando ha scritto:
I know is not the answer to your question.
But I moved from using bCNC to Candle CNC tool, as I often had odd behavior with bCNC.

It has all that I require and was using in bCNC including the auto-level and honestly the UI is far far better to use.


-Nando
Sent from my Sinclair ZX81

On 17 December 2017 at 10:03, Enrico B. <enrico....@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi! Thank you... I use FlatCam...

Il giorno sabato 16 dicembre 2017 19:22:18 UTC+1, Carlos GS ha scritto:
Hi Enrico! Can you share with us the gcode to check if there is any strange commands in it? Which software did you use to generate the gcode?
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Enrico B. <enrico....@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there, my cyclone is with arduino mega, ramps, grblforcyclone...
When i try to mill a pcb with bCNC, after a minute or two it freezes and cyclone stop moving...
How can i fix this?
Thanks

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Enrico B.

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Dec 17, 2017, 4:04:15 PM12/17/17
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Just try Candle CNC but cnc freezes like with bCNC...

Enrico B.

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Dec 17, 2017, 4:15:33 PM12/17/17
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I cannot find out how to change arc resolution in flatcam


Il giorno domenica 17 dicembre 2017 12:59:02 UTC+1, Carlos GS ha scritto:
Hi Enrico, I'd suggest reducing arc resolution in flatcam to avoid flooding the controller with tiny motions. Check out the screenshot where even a square has "rounded" corners that are not necessary.

However it's better that you first try the other software that Nando suggested, to see if it handles the gcode better.

Cheers,
Carlos

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On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Nando <nan...@gmail.com> wrote:
I know is not the answer to your question.
But I moved from using bCNC to Candle CNC tool, as I often had odd behavior with bCNC.

It has all that I require and was using in bCNC including the auto-level and honestly the UI is far far better to use.


-Nando
Sent from my Sinclair ZX81
On 17 December 2017 at 10:03, Enrico B. <enrico....@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi! Thank you... I use FlatCam...

Il giorno sabato 16 dicembre 2017 19:22:18 UTC+1, Carlos GS ha scritto:
Hi Enrico! Can you share with us the gcode to check if there is any strange commands in it? Which software did you use to generate the gcode?
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Enrico B. <enrico....@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there, my cyclone is with arduino mega, ramps, grblforcyclone...
When i try to mill a pcb with bCNC, after a minute or two it freezes and cyclone stop moving...
How can i fix this?
Thanks

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Enrico B.

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Dec 17, 2017, 4:49:08 PM12/17/17
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I try to manually delete some line from the gcode but it freezes again... i think it would be a usb communication problem...


Il giorno sabato 16 dicembre 2017 14:33:08 UTC+1, Enrico B. ha scritto:

Carlos García

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Dec 17, 2017, 5:05:36 PM12/17/17
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Ahh that's right! I remember a while ago having problems due to a bad usb cable. Can you try with a different cable? (maybe a shorter cable with no additional extension cords or hubs)

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Enrico B.

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Dec 18, 2017, 2:29:03 AM12/18/17
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This evening I'll try different cable, also usb cable with ferrite then I'll tell you if it works... thanks


Il giorno domenica 17 dicembre 2017 23:05:36 UTC+1, Carlos GS ha scritto:
Ahh that's right! I remember a while ago having problems due to a bad usb cable. Can you try with a different cable? (maybe a shorter cable with no additional extension cords or hubs)
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 10:49 PM, Enrico B. <enrico....@gmail.com> wrote:
I try to manually delete some line from the gcode but it freezes again... i think it would be a usb communication problem...

Il giorno sabato 16 dicembre 2017 14:33:08 UTC+1, Enrico B. ha scritto:
Hi there, my cyclone is with arduino mega, ramps, grblforcyclone...
When i try to mill a pcb with bCNC, after a minute or two it freezes and cyclone stop moving...
How can i fix this?
Thanks

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Enrico B.

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Dec 18, 2017, 1:03:18 PM12/18/17
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Nothing... Even with other usb cable with ferrite... What can i do? Install linux?

Nando

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Dec 18, 2017, 1:40:25 PM12/18/17
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Does it give any error?
I had issues before with the Z endstop. The wire was passing close to the spindle and the noise would trigger it during work setting the end limits alarm on and stopping. 



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Nothing... Even with other usb cable with ferrite... What can i do? Install linux?

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Enrico B.

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Dec 18, 2017, 3:46:49 PM12/18/17
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no errors... it stops sending data (or receiving i don't know)


Il giorno lunedì 18 dicembre 2017 19:40:25 UTC+1, Nando ha scritto:
Does it give any error?
I had issues before with the Z endstop. The wire was passing close to the spindle and the noise would trigger it during work setting the end limits alarm on and stopping. 


Em 18/12/2017 18:03, "Enrico B." <enrico....@gmail.com> escreveu:
Nothing... Even with other usb cable with ferrite... What can i do? Install linux?

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Enrico B.

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Dec 18, 2017, 4:07:32 PM12/18/17
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Ok i take away wires for z probe and now it works.. but with z-0.5 it didn't make tracks... let's try -0.6 and so on

Enrico B.

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Dec 18, 2017, 4:10:10 PM12/18/17
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i'm hating this cyclone pcb factory... i think i'll buy a cnc and trow this away... it's a year that i make it and i didn't make 1 pcb...


Il giorno lunedì 18 dicembre 2017 19:40:25 UTC+1, Nando ha scritto:
Does it give any error?
I had issues before with the Z endstop. The wire was passing close to the spindle and the noise would trigger it during work setting the end limits alarm on and stopping. 


Em 18/12/2017 18:03, "Enrico B." <enrico....@gmail.com> escreveu:
Nothing... Even with other usb cable with ferrite... What can i do? Install linux?

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Nando

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Dec 18, 2017, 5:48:56 PM12/18/17
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The Cyclone is a diy CNC, but works ok for what it is.
I use a arduino shield so I can't help you much in regard to the settings as you use a ramps.

Make sure you set the 0 first. I haven't used bCNC in a while but it has a the zero Z axis, in Candle it probes
and stop at 0 and then you set the machine coordinates for that axis as 0.





-Nando
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On 18 December 2017 at 21:10, Enrico B. <enrico....@gmail.com> wrote:
i'm hating this cyclone pcb factory... i think i'll buy a cnc and trow this away... it's a year that i make it and i didn't make 1 pcb...

Il giorno lunedì 18 dicembre 2017 19:40:25 UTC+1, Nando ha scritto:
Does it give any error?
I had issues before with the Z endstop. The wire was passing close to the spindle and the noise would trigger it during work setting the end limits alarm on and stopping. 


Em 18/12/2017 18:03, "Enrico B." <enrico....@gmail.com> escreveu:
Nothing... Even with other usb cable with ferrite... What can i do? Install linux?

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Enrico B.

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Dec 18, 2017, 5:55:08 PM12/18/17
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I used candle now... I'm very tired to continue try with this so i think i'll stop and disassemble it. Thank you very much to all...

Samuel Kranz

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Feb 1, 2018, 11:42:37 AM2/1/18
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Hej
I dont know if your issue is already resolved but I some time ago I had random disconnects.
Actually there was no disconnect more like a freeze of my electronic. I could resolve it (after many hours of searching) as electrostatic discharges which my spindle generated during milling.

The issue was resolved after I connected the spindle shaft to ground with a 1MOhm Resistor.

Enrico B.

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May 1, 2018, 9:00:10 AM5/1/18
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Hi... you connect the motor shaft to ground? Can you send a picture? Thanks

Enrico B.

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May 4, 2018, 3:55:24 PM5/4/18
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Is it possible that I'm not able to make this Cyclone pcb shitfactory run???!!! Bcnc freezes in windows and ubuntu... I don't know what to do....

Luke Shillaber

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May 4, 2018, 4:27:50 PM5/4/18
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What controller are you using. Ramps 1.4? Is the software freezing or the machine refusing to move/ randomly locking up. You could have a bad controller. Also non genuine arduinos have different USB-serial converters so it could be a comms issue.

Enrico B.

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May 5, 2018, 4:45:37 AM5/5/18
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I'm using Arduino mega and ramps 1.4.... it gives me serial write timeout error

Luke Shillaber

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May 5, 2018, 7:36:38 AM5/5/18
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I’d try reprogramming the Arduino and if that doesnt work possibly try a different arduino. Also try talking to it through a serial monitor (not the arduino one) and see if it works. I had an arduino lock up its serial comms in a project once as it didnt get a data terminal ready signal.

Samuel Kranz

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May 19, 2018, 8:05:02 AM5/19/18
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Yes, I connected the shaft of the spindle motor to ground using a 1 MOhm resistor. My motor had a metal mount so I used that. You can also try to ground an internal bearring. As I said it was not the fault of the Arduino / fake Arduino / serial converter or operating system. Due to the high rotation speed my spindle motor was electrostatically charged and as soon I started milling it caused an error on the usb line. 
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