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On 8 Aug 2021, at 16:04, Michael Lissack <liss...@gmail.com> wrote:
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From: Michael Lissack <liss...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Aug 8, 2021, 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [CYBCOM] Anil Seth on 'consciousness'
On 11 Aug 2021, at 6:05 pm, Bernard C E Scott <bern...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Anil,Thank you for taking the time to compose the message below. I wasn't aware that anyone had contacted you directly, nor was I aware that you are part of the Sussex tradition, with which I have some familiarity. I am most pleased that you are aware of and give credit to the work of cyberneticians.Thank you for the additional sources for accessing your writings. I find your surveys of contemporary empirical findings in neuroscience most helpfulThank you also for your definitions. You will see that, in part 8 of my book, I make a distinction between 'awareness' as a general biological phenomenon and 'consciousness' as a label for the human processes of knowing with oneself and knowing with others (con-scio). This follows the usage of Warren McCulloch, Heinz von Foerster and Gordon Pask. It is the distinction that is important, not the labels used. I note that in your article you do refer to the 'social'. I have a major interest in child development and the ontogeny of the 'self', which is also mentioned in my book. My influences have been G H Mead, Lev Vygotsky, Alexander Luria, and, of course, Pask, von Foerster, and Maturana.Re second order cybernetics, if you have not done so, I suggest consulting the master, Heinz von Foerster. I attach a pdf of his book, Understanding Understanding, which is a collection of some of his papers. I particularly recommend chapters 1, 5 and 10. Other chapters I like very much are 8, 11 and 14.Best wishes,Bernard
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Thank you for this, Jason.I had never heard of these "improvements" on the Golden Rule. Actually, it seems to me that the Platinum and Diamond rules are subsumed in the Golden Rule. Wouldn't we want others to offer their help in times of need? Wouldn't we want them to help us now?If we do unto others what we would want them to do unto us, then that includes wanting others to ask us what they can do to help us (Platinum) and wanting them to help us now (Diamond).N'est-ce pas?Carl