PowerBook G4 system install disk

[Bob Cotter]

I'm trying to help a friend with this PowerBook, a formatted drive, but no software to do an install. I have tried a Universal 9.2 disk, but it will not work so I guess I need an original for the PB G4. Any idea where I can locate one?

[David Empson]

Which PowerBook G4 model? Narrowing it down to Titanium vs Aluminium
would be a start. Its serial number would be better: it is probably
printed inside the battery compartment.

The first five characters are enough to determine the manufacture date,
which should identify the model. The third character is the last digit
of the year of manufacture, the next two are the week number. For
example, the serial number of my PowerBook G4 (DVI) starts with QT221,
which indicates it was manufactured in 2002 week 21.


Your friend's PowerBook G4 is probably too new to be supported by your
"universal" 9.2 boot disc. The last few generations of Macs which could
boot Mac OS 9 require a model-specific 9.2.2 disc which came with the
computer.

Looking through MacTracker, only the original PowerBook G4 (Jan 2001 to
Oct 2001) would be old enough to boot from 9.2. The Gigabit Ethernet
model (Oct 2001) requires 9.2.1. All later Titanimum models (Apr 2002 or
later) require 9.2.2, probably model-specific. Aluminium models can't
boot Mac OS 9 at all, only use it via the Classic environment from Mac
OS X 10.0 through 10.4.

There is a small possibility that Apple can still sell replacement
install media for the computer, given its serial number. I don't know
whether they still do that for models outside the five to seven year
hardware support window.

Failing that, you may need to find someone who has the same model and
give you a copy of their disc, or use Mac OS X.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[nospam]

In article <71ec79df-7692-4047...@googlegroups.com>, Bob

there are a lot of powerbook g4s, some of which can run os 9 and some
which can't.

it sounds like the one you have can't, and can only boot os x.

how old is it?

[Your Name]

In article <1mjflvn.sqy6yr17p21w6N%dem...@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson

Macintosh Garden is a good source for downloading old software,
including Mac system install disks, but you'll need to use another
computer to burn the disk image to an actual CD / DVD.

Mac OS 9.2.2 Universal you said is needed for Titanium PowerBooks is
here: http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-os-922-universal
(there's also a bootable PowerBook Titanium disk image part way down,
if the link still works.)

[Andreas Rutishauser]

Salut Bob

In article <71ec79df-7692-4047...@googlegroups.com>,
Bob Cotter <bob.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

as David wrote, only G4 is not very helpful...
If the PowerBook has FireWire 800, it won't boot from any OS 9.x. All
Macs with FireWire 800 require some version of MacOS X.

Cheers
Andreas

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[Bob Cotter]

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 3:32:16 PM UTC-8, David Empson wrote:

> Which PowerBook G4 model? Narrowing it down to Titanium vs Aluminium
> would be a start. Its serial number would be better: it is probably
> printed inside the battery compartment.

Thanks for the response. The book he has is a November, 2002 model. The SN# is QT30403XN4K.

I'll look to your other ideas in the message.

Cheers... Bob

[Bob Cotter]

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 10:07:47 PM UTC-8, Andreas Rutishauser wrote:
>
> as David wrote, only G4 is not very helpful...
> If the PowerBook has FireWire 800, it won't boot from any OS 9.x. All
> Macs with FireWire 800 require some version of MacOS X.
>

It is a firewire model and I also tried a universal 10.2 disk I have around, but it would not work at all either.

Cheers... Bob

[nospam]

In article <d81e1613-14fe-46a1...@googlegroups.com>, Bob

Cotter <bob.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > as David wrote, only G4 is not very helpful...
> > If the PowerBook has FireWire 800, it won't boot from any OS 9.x. All
> > Macs with FireWire 800 require some version of MacOS X.
> >
>
> It is a firewire model and I also tried a universal 10.2 disk I have around,
> but it would not work at all either.

they all have firewire. the key is if it's firewire 800.

you said it's a 2002 model, so it only has firewire 400 and can run
10.2 or os 9.

[Christian]

Bob Cotter <bob.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The book he has is a November, 2002 model. The SN# is QT30403XN4K.

According to <http://www.chipmunk.nl/cgi-fast/applemodel.cgi>, this is
the following model:

Machine Model: PowerBook3,5
Family name: A1025
Model Number: M8858
Group1: PowerBook
Group2: G4
Generation:
CPU speed: 867MHz
Screen size: 15 inch
Screen resolution: 1280x854 pixels
Production week : -04- (January)
Production year : -2003-
Production number: 133 (within this week)
Model introduced: -2002-
Memory - flavour: xx
Memory - number of slots: 2
Factory: QT (Quanta, Taiwan)

And according to MacTracker, a Powerbook3,5 can use these system
versions:

Original OS: Mac OS X 10.2.1 and Mac OS 9.2.2
Later OS: Mac OS X 10.2.3 and Mac OS 9.2.2
Maximum OS: Mac OS X 10.5.8

So it can be started with OS X only, and OS 9.2.2 can only be used as an
emulation (classic environment, or how this was called then).

You should download the MacTracker application from
<http://mactracker.ca/>, it has lots of useful information

Christian

--
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Hilfe fuer Strassenkinder in Ghana: http://www.chance-for-children.org

[nospam]

In article <1mjgf7m.13jpls8q9iddgN%christi...@ghanart.org>,

Christian <christi...@ghanart.org> wrote:

> And according to MacTracker, a Powerbook3,5 can use these system
> versions:
>
> Original OS: Mac OS X 10.2.1 and Mac OS 9.2.2
> Later OS: Mac OS X 10.2.3 and Mac OS 9.2.2
> Maximum OS: Mac OS X 10.5.8
>
> So it can be started with OS X only, and OS 9.2.2 can only be used as an
> emulation (classic environment, or how this was called then).

read it again. it originally shipped with 9 *and* 10.2 which means it
can boot either one natively.

[dorayme]

In article <1mjgf7m.13jpls8q9iddgN%christi...@ghanart.org>,

I have a QS 2002 Powermac and I'm sure there are disks with it in
boxes in my attic. If all else fails for OP, happy to post if he or
she pays postage and returns it or them to me - Australia.

Makes me think I should get rid of it, sitting under desk here, not
used for years! But can't part with the one next to it, an SE30. <g>

--
dorayme

[David Empson]

No, that particular ordering of OS versions in MacTracker means the
model came with Mac OS X 10.2.1 as the default startup operating system,
but it also had Mac OS 9.2.2 preinstalled and was able to boot both
OSes. It would have been supplied with install/restore DVDs for both OS
versions.

Earlier Macs in the OS X era had both 9.x and 10.x preinstalled and on
DVD, but defaulted to booting into Mac OS 9. MacTracker shows this by
listing Mac OS 9 first. (The transition came when Mac OS X 10.2 was
preinstalled.)

Later PowerPC Macs (e.g. aluminium PowerBook G4s) were not able to boot
Mac OS 9 any more, but could run it via Classic in Mac OS X, and a
Classic-only copy of Mac OS 9.2.2 was included on DVD for those who
wanted to install it. MacTracker doesn't mention this.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[David Empson]

Based on the serial number in your other post and the details kindly
provided by Christian, it is a "PowerBook G4 (1GHz/867 MHz)", model
identifier "PowerBook3,5", introduced in November 2002 - the final
revision of the Titanium PowerBook G4.

That model requires at least Mac OS X 10.2.1 (or Mac OS 9.2.2 with the
appropriate model-specific support files). 10.2(.0) is too old to
support that model, because it is missing drivers and other support
files.

A retail DVD of 10.2.2 or later would work, including any minor version
of 10.3, 10.4 or 10.5, but note that 10.5 has a minimum memory
requirement of 512 MB, and the computer might only have 256 MB
installed.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[Bob Cotter]

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 4:22:15 PM UTC-8, Your Name wrote:
>
> Mac OS 9.2.2 Universal you said is needed for Titanium PowerBooks is
> here: http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-os-922-universal
> (there's also a bootable PowerBook Titanium disk image part way down,
> if the link still works.)

Getting close. I downloaded the 9.2.2 iso file and burned it to DVD. I then started up the G4 with it and things went much better than with the 9.2.1 disk that I had tried earlier. After the boot, I clicked on the installer and got a message that said the install could not happen on that model.

Rats ... Bob

[Bob Cotter]

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 2:42:15 PM UTC-8, David Empson wrote:

Thanks again, David.

He is wanting to run some old software that is on floppy disks which he wanted me to install after getting the Mac to boot ... he has a floppy drive.

It is a good thing I am not charging my friend for this given the amount of time I have put in simply trying to get a system to install <grin>.

The software he wants me to install says it requires Macintosh system 6.0.7 or later. Maybe he needs an even older Mac LOL

Cheers... Bob

[David Empson]

I've never encountered a genuinely "universal" 9.2.2 installer, just
model-specific ones, which may happen to support a wider range of models
than just the one it came with. For example, a 9.2.2 DVD from a late
model PowerMac G4 may also work on older PowerMac G4 models, and might
also support other desktop Macs (iMac, eMac), but refuse to install on
portable Mac models.

This might be controlled by the model identifier: from about mid 1999,
all desktop PowerPC Macs had a model identifier starting with "PowerMac"
and all notebook PowerPC Macs had a model identifier starting with
"PowerBook". (1998 and early 1999 iMac G3s with tray loading optical
drives were "iMac,1".)

I haven't had time yet to check the above link, but I expect that
particular DVD is for desktop Macs only, or is simply too old to support
a Late 2002 PowerBook G4.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[nospam]

In article <5d0aa10b-9bff-4839...@googlegroups.com>, Bob

Cotter <bob.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The software he wants me to install says it requires Macintosh system 6.0.7
> or later. Maybe he needs an even older Mac LOL

what software is it?

there's a reasonable chance it won't work on mac os 9.

[Your Name]

In article <afe0c95b-54ed-4a39...@googlegroups.com>, Bob

Maybe these are worth a try:
Apple CD Set (Machine Specific) for the PowerBook G4 Titanium DVI
667/800
<http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/powerbook-g4-titanium-dvi-os-9-install-
cd>

[David Empson]

In that case, you would definitely need Mac OS 9.2.2 to run it on that
Mac. (Mac OS X won't be able to run the software without also having a
compatible Mac OS 9 to run in the Classic environment.)

If the software is supplied on a floppy and mentions System 6.0.7, it
might be old enough that the floppy disks are Mac-formatted 800K disks,
which require a Mac with a built-in floppy drive, and preferably an
older model (with a 68K family processor) as the floppy drive mechanism
built in to PowerPC Macs was less reliable dealing with 800K disks.

The only floppy drives you could connect to a PowerBook G4 would be USB,
and they cannot read 800K floppy disks.

If the floppies are high density (look for the identifying hole on the
corner opposite the write protect hole) then they can be read in a USB
floppy drive, but you would still need a compatible Mac OS 9.2.2 to use
it on that Mac.

Getting hold of an older Mac would make things easier as there are more
copies of older versions of Mac OS out there.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[David Empson]

That's one model too old (early 2002). Bob's friend's model is the
"PowerBook G4 (1 GHz/867 MHz)" (late 2002).

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[Bob Cotter]

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 4:24:37 PM UTC-8, nospam wrote:
>
> what software is it?
>
> there's a reasonable chance it won't work on mac os 9.

It is called Graphic Astrology - IO series.

It comes with 10 floppy disks. I have seen on their website that there is a current version, but he does not have the money to purchase and there is no upgrade for him to get. I can't tell from the floppys what version this is, but I imagine it is quite old.

Cheers... Bob

[Bob Cotter]

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 4:40:35 PM UTC-8, David Empson wrote:
>
> The only floppy drives you could connect to a PowerBook G4 would be USB,
> and they cannot read 800K floppy disks.

The floppy drive is a VST USB drive.

>
> If the floppies are high density (look for the identifying hole on the
> corner opposite the write protect hole) then they can be read in a USB
> floppy drive, but you would still need a compatible Mac OS 9.2.2 to use
> it on that Mac.

They do have the hole opposite the write protect.

>
> Getting hold of an older Mac would make things easier as there are more
> copies of older versions of Mac OS out there.

This may be the solution needed.

Cheers... Bob

[nospam]

In article <e2c94089-4341-4aff...@googlegroups.com>, Bob

Cotter <bob.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > what software is it?
> >
> > there's a reasonable chance it won't work on mac os 9.
>
> It is called Graphic Astrology - IO series.
>
> It comes with 10 floppy disks. I have seen on their website that there is a
> current version, but he does not have the money to purchase and there is no
> upgrade for him to get. I can't tell from the floppys what version this is,
> but I imagine it is quite old.

look for a copyright symbol and date on the disks or the user manual if
you have that.

for reference, system 6 came out in 1988 and system 7 came out in 1991.

some apps from back then might still work in mac os 9, but not all.

you will probably be better off trying to run system 6 or 7 in an
emulator on a modern mac and run the app that way, or find a mac from
the 1990s, one with a working floppy drive.

[Bob Cotter]

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 5:56:47 PM UTC-8, nospam wrote:

>
> look for a copyright symbol and date on the disks or the user manual if
> you have that.
>
> for reference, system 6 came out in 1988 and system 7 came out in 1991.
>
> some apps from back then might still work in mac os 9, but not all.
>
> you will probably be better off trying to run system 6 or 7 in an
> emulator on a modern mac and run the app that way, or find a mac from
> the 1990s, one with a working floppy drive.

The packaging with the license agreement has no dates, but on a whim I plugged the floppy drive into my Mac. There was an installer, which I did not run, on the main disk and doing a Get Info shows it to be 1996. On the back of the disk is a notation 2/97 so it is old software.

I think it is time to let him know that this is not going to work out on this laptop and that he should look for a working Mac with a hard drive and a built in floppy.

Thanks to all for your assistance.

Cheers... Bob

[nospam]

In article <3f4a4a9a-2468-4ec0...@googlegroups.com>, Bob

Cotter <bob.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > look for a copyright symbol and date on the disks or the user manual if
> > you have that.
> >
> > for reference, system 6 came out in 1988 and system 7 came out in 1991.
> >
> > some apps from back then might still work in mac os 9, but not all.
> >
> > you will probably be better off trying to run system 6 or 7 in an
> > emulator on a modern mac and run the app that way, or find a mac from
> > the 1990s, one with a working floppy drive.
>
> The packaging with the license agreement has no dates, but on a whim I
> plugged the floppy drive into my Mac. There was an installer, which I did not
> run, on the main disk and doing a Get Info shows it to be 1996. On the back
> of the disk is a notation 2/97 so it is old software.

mac os 9 first came out at the end of 1999, so that app *might* just be
recent enough to work.

> I think it is time to let him know that this is not going to work out on this
> laptop and that he should look for a working Mac with a hard drive and a
> built in floppy.

that's probably the best option.

[Lewis]

In message <d81e1613-14fe-46a1...@googlegroups.com>

Then there must be something wrong with the drive, or the 10.2 disc. Or
it is a 10.2.0 disc.

The oldest G4 Powerbook with Firewire 800 is the 17" from March 2003
which shipped with 10.2.4 and can run 10.5.8.

The newest is the Late 2005 model "Double Layer SD" which shipped with
10.4.2 and can also run 10.5.8.

Of course, you said 'firewire' so it could be one with only firewire
400, which changes things, but since you seem to be unwilling to give
specific useful information....



--
Wally: That's my nickname, "Waly" with one el. Dilbert: Who calls you
that? Wally: Most people, they just don't realize it.

[Lewis]

In message <5d0aa10b-9bff-4839...@googlegroups.com>

That is unlikely to work in Mac OS 9, either natively or through ...

Oh hell, I forgot what the Mac OS 9 inside OS X was called.

Stupid brain.


--
We will fight for Bovine Freedom and hold our large heads high We will
run free with the Buffalo or die

[Lewis]

In message <e2c94089-4341-4aff...@googlegroups.com>

People into astrology never seem to have the money for their severely
overprice tools, do they?

My sister, tree-hugging hippie lunatic deadhead that she is<1>, owned that
software. The version she had for System 7.5.x did not work under Mac OS
8.0, so I can 99.999999342% guarantee those disks will not work under Mac
OS 9 or Mac OS X. I am not sure they will work under System 7.0,
honestly.

There are plenty of free astrology apps for both OS X and iOS, and since
it is all entirely made-up-shit, it shouldn't make the slightest
difference.

<1> Not that all tree-hugging hippie deadheads are lunatics, but she is.
And all her tree-hugging hippie deadhead friends are, but I have known a
couple of completely sane and perfectly pleasant tree-hugging hippie
deadheads.

--
All he [Vimes] knew was that you couldn't hope to try for the big stuff,
like world peace and happiness, but you might just about be able to
achieve some tiny deed that'd make the world, in a small way, a better
place. Like shooting someone.

[Lewis]

In message <3a923cf8-f230-447f...@googlegroups.com>

Bob Cotter <bob.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 4:40:35 PM UTC-8, David Empson wrote:
>>
>> The only floppy drives you could connect to a PowerBook G4 would be USB,
>> and they cannot read 800K floppy disks.

> The floppy drive is a VST USB drive.

>>
>> If the floppies are high density (look for the identifying hole on the
>> corner opposite the write protect hole) then they can be read in a USB
>> floppy drive, but you would still need a compatible Mac OS 9.2.2 to use
>> it on that Mac.

> They do have the hole opposite the write protect.

That is very curious. As far as I know, there are no Macs that could run
System 6.0.7 that had Hgh Density floppy drives, where there?

the Original SE could run 6.0.7, but could the SE FDHD? It seems we got
that with 7.0 and then had to pay an insane amount of money for 7.1...

>> Getting hold of an older Mac would make things easier as there are more
>> copies of older versions of Mac OS out there.

> This may be the solution needed.

No, I think the best thing would be to convert the images to binary disk
images and run System 7 in an emulator on a current machine (or a
current-ish machine).

--
I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is
drawn and cross it deliberately.

[Your Name]

In article <1mjhjv9.kpd3r41qu267uN%dem...@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson

<dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> Bob Cotter <bob.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 2:42:15 PM UTC-8, David Empson wrote:
> >
> > Thanks again, David.
> >
> > He is wanting to run some old software that is on floppy disks which he
> > wanted me to install after getting the Mac to boot ... he has a floppy
> > drive.
> >
> > It is a good thing I am not charging my friend for this given the amount
> > of time I have put in simply trying to get a system to install <grin>.
> >
> > The software he wants me to install says it requires Macintosh system
> > 6.0.7 or later. Maybe he needs an even older Mac LOL
>
> In that case, you would definitely need Mac OS 9.2.2 to run it on that
> Mac. (Mac OS X won't be able to run the software without also having a
> compatible Mac OS 9 to run in the Classic environment.)

<snip>

Even then the software may not work due to changes since System 6.0.7.
It may be necessary to install an emulator like Mini vMac and then
install a version of System 6 onto that so the old software can be run.

[David Empson]

Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <3a923cf8-f230-447f...@googlegroups.com>
> Bob Cotter <bob.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 4:40:35 PM UTC-8, David Empson wrote:
> >>
> >> The only floppy drives you could connect to a PowerBook G4 would be USB,
> >> and they cannot read 800K floppy disks.
>
> > The floppy drive is a VST USB drive.
>
> >>
> >> If the floppies are high density (look for the identifying hole on the
> >> corner opposite the write protect hole) then they can be read in a USB
> >> floppy drive, but you would still need a compatible Mac OS 9.2.2 to use
> >> it on that Mac.
>
> > They do have the hole opposite the write protect.
>
> That is very curious. As far as I know, there are no Macs that could run
> System 6.0.7 that had Hgh Density floppy drives, where there?

Timeline according to MacTracker:

Release Date Model Original OS

Sep 1988 IIx System 6.0.1
Jan 1989 SE/30 System 6.0.3
Mar 1989 IIcx System 6.0.3
Sep 1989 IIci System 6.0.4
Mar 1990 IIfx System 6.0.5
Oct 1990 Classic System 6.0.6 or 6.0.7
Oct 1990 LC System 6.0.6 or 6.0.7
Oct 1990 IIsi System 6.0.6 or 6.0.7

The Mac SE FDHD upgrade was August 1989 (available for the Mac II at the
same time). System 6.0.3 was the current version at that point.

System 6.0.7 was October 1990.

Some 1991-1992 models could run System 6.0.8 or 6.0.8L, but they
normally came with 7.0.1 or later.

> the Original SE could run 6.0.7, but could the SE FDHD? It seems we got
> that with 7.0 and then had to pay an insane amount of money for 7.1...

As System 6.0.1 is the earliest version for the IIx, that suggests FDHD
support came in 6.0.1.

System 6.0 was April 1988. Wikipedia says 6.0.1 was in September,
presumably coinciding with the IIx.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[David Empson]

Agreed. Mac OS 9.2.2 is the only bootable OS which has any chance of
running the software on that computer, but it might not work if the
software is too old.

Given details from the OP in another post, it sounds like this
particular version was produced in 1996 or early 1997. The current OS at
that time was System 7.5.x or Mac OS 7.6. Assuming the software had been
updated (if necessary) to work on late System 7, that gives it a better
chance of working on Mac OS 9 than something originally released for
System 6 and not subsequently updated.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[Lewis]

In message <1mjhxxp.mkkbnbkyjspxN%dem...@actrix.gen.nz>

Ah... Now that you mention it I remember 6.0.8L. That's what was on the
SE FDHD when we got it, later than I remember.

>> the Original SE could run 6.0.7, but could the SE FDHD? It seems we got
>> that with 7.0 and then had to pay an insane amount of money for 7.1...

> As System 6.0.1 is the earliest version for the IIx, that suggests FDHD
> support came in 6.0.1.

I didn't know the IIx had High Density floppies, and if you'd asked me I
would have said the IIci came out a couple of years after the SE FDHD,
probably because it was couple of years after we got the SE FDHD that I
first used a IIci.

--
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for gold; The Arctic trails have their secret tales/That would make your
blood run cold; The Northern Lights have seen queer sights,/But the
queerest they ever did see Was the night on the marge of Lake Lebarge/
When I cremated Sam McGee

[Bob Cotter]

Thanks everyone for your help.

As a final step I downloaded 9.1.1 from the Macintoshgarden site and it did the same as my original 9.1.1 and crashed with the bomb.

I have told my friend that this is simply not going to work and that even not thinking about his astrology software, there must be something wrong with the PowerBook that is keeping any system software from installing.

I asked him what computer he used to run the software on and it sounds like it might have been an SE20 from his description. I think I will look around to see if I can find one, already formatted <g> for him.

I really do appreciate the feedback from you all.

Cheers... Bob

[Jolly Roger]

On 2016-03-02, Bob Cotter <bob.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks everyone for your help.
>
> As a final step I downloaded 9.1.1 from the Macintoshgarden site and
> it did the same as my original 9.1.1 and crashed with the bomb.
>
> I have told my friend that this is simply not going to work and that
> even not thinking about his astrology software, there must be
> something wrong with the PowerBook that is keeping any system software
> from installing.
>
> I asked him what computer he used to run the software on and it sounds
> like it might have been an SE20 from his description. I think I will
> look around to see if I can find one, already formatted <g> for him.

That would be an "SE/30".

Personally, I would first try running the software in an emulator like
SheepShaver or Basilisk II on modern hardware running OS X. Not all
software works in emulation, but many titles do; so it's worth a shot
since it's free.

SheepShaver is probably the easiest one to set up of them all, but you
have several viable options:

SheepShaver:
<http://sheepshaver.cebix.net>

Basilisk II:
<http://basilisk.cebix.net>

Mini vMac:
<http://www.gryphel.com/c/minivmac/index.html>

Setup instructions and help can be found here (and of course feel free
to ask here on Usenet as well):

<http://www.emaculation.com/doku.php>

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JR

[nospam]

In article <djop5j...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger

<jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:

> >
> > I asked him what computer he used to run the software on and it sounds
> > like it might have been an SE20 from his description. I think I will
> > look around to see if I can find one, already formatted <g> for him.
>
> That would be an "SE/30".

some people called the original mac se an se20 because of its 20 meg hd
and to distinguish it from an actual se/30.

> Personally, I would first try running the software in an emulator like
> SheepShaver or Basilisk II on modern hardware running OS X. Not all
> software works in emulation, but many titles do; so it's worth a shot
> since it's free.

that's probably the best way to go.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2016-03-02, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <djop5j...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>> I asked him what computer he used to run the software on and it sounds
>>> like it might have been an SE20 from his description. I think I will
>>> look around to see if I can find one, already formatted <g> for him.
>>
>> That would be an "SE/30".
>
> some people called the original mac se an se20 because of its 20 meg hd
> and to distinguish it from an actual se/30.

Oh, interesting. I wasn't aware of that. Thanks. We just called ours
"Mac SEs". : D

[David Empson]

Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <1mjhxxp.mkkbnbkyjspxN%dem...@actrix.gen.nz>
> David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> > As System 6.0.1 is the earliest version for the IIx, that suggests FDHD
> > support came in 6.0.1.
>
> I didn't know the IIx had High Density floppies, and if you'd asked me I
> would have said the IIci came out a couple of years after the SE FDHD,
> probably because it was couple of years after we got the SE FDHD that I
> first used a IIci.

I well remembered those details even though I wasn't using Macs at the
time (but I was involved in my local Apple user group, many of whom were
eagerly embracing the Mac). I got my Apple IIgs in 1987, shortly after
the release of the Mac SE and II, and I remember the IIx in 1988
introducing the high density floppy drive. At some point there was an
external version of the drive (the first "Apple SuperDrive"?), which
required a Mac with the right controller (SWIM chip, part of the FDHD
upgrade for the SE and II).

The external SuperDrive also evenutally worked on the Apple IIgs and
enhanced IIe with a new controller card: the "Apple II 3.5 Disk
Controller Card", released in 1991. The drive and card were probably my
last new hardware purchase for the Apple II family.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[Christian]

David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

> The external SuperDrive also evenutally worked on the Apple IIgs and
> enhanced IIe with a new controller card: the "Apple II 3.5 Disk
> Controller Card", released in 1991. The drive and card were probably my
> last new hardware purchase for the Apple II family.

I had a "SuperDrive" connected to my Mac Plus in the old days. The
company who made/sold it was called "Kennect":

The Kennect Rapport Adapter/Kennect Drive 2.4 pair is a SuperDrive
replacement which can read/write/format Mac disks DD, HD and the
proprietary "Super-HD" 2.4MB format. It can also read/write/format DOS
720KB and 1.44MB disks. There's additional port to connect an Apple
drive or another Kennect drive.

I found a TidBits article about it from 1991:
<http://tidbits.com/static/html/TidBITS-051.html>.
Here they write: "The current version of the software supposedly works
on all flavors of System 6.0.x, but System 7.0 will require a new
version of the INIT, so if you want to use System 7.0 with your Drive
2.4, hang on for while."

I know this is probably off-topic, but worth remembering... :)

Christian

--
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Hilfe fuer Strassenkinder in Ghana: http://www.chance-for-children.org

[ErikRS]

David Empson wrote:
> The only floppy drives you could connect to a PowerBook G4 would be USB,
> and they cannot read 800K floppy disks.

Well, not quite so, David. I still have a LaCie USB floppy drive. It
reads and writes to/from any floppy from and including 800k - both
single-sided and double-sided...

This drive just works fine - using MassStorage) on my own PowerBook
G4/1,67ghz (model 2005, prod. Febr.2006). - It even works on my MacPros.
- It isn't that long ago that I copied most of my stored floppies and
saved them to an image file so I can burn the image to a CD-ROM or copy
wanted software...

And if I recall right both the VST floppy drive, Bob mentions, and the
LaCie use the same mechanism made by Matsui.

Cheers, Erik Richard

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Openoffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[ErikRS]

You have one chance more... Since the PB has Firewire you can hook it up
to another PPC PowerBook G4 (2002) and run the PB as a target disc and
then install the 9.1.1 WITHOUT booting the PowerBook.

Get the OS 9.2.1 and 9.2.2 upgrades from the Apple download sites. First
install the 9.2.1 upgrade onto the PB, then afterwards the 9.2.2 update.

Or - Get a PowerPC version of Mac OS X 10.4.3 or later, install this on
the PowerBook. Now you can install Mac OS 9.2.x in classic envirement
onto the OS X.

NOTE: Prefer the 4-disc CD version of 10.4.x, if you can find it.
NOTE2: When you launch the installer and it begins to 'Verify disc
image', just click on 'skip'. this because there is a general error in
OS X 10.4.x in some of the printerarchives which will cause the
installer to crash.

Reboot the PB. Launch 'Classic' and run the updater from within the
Classic controlpane. This will update some system files like Finder,
System and System Resources.

Some of the TiBooks did have some mechanically problems with the CD/DVD
Combo drives so they sometimes wouldn't install either from a CD or from
a DVD.

[Lewis]

In message <djor1l...@mid.individual.net>

Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2016-03-02, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <djop5j...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
>><jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I asked him what computer he used to run the software on and it sounds
>>>> like it might have been an SE20 from his description. I think I will
>>>> look around to see if I can find one, already formatted <g> for him.
>>>
>>> That would be an "SE/30".
>>
>> some people called the original mac se an se20 because of its 20 meg hd
>> and to distinguish it from an actual se/30.

> Oh, interesting. I wasn't aware of that. Thanks. We just called ours
> "Mac SEs". : D

I've never heard anyone call an SE an SE20.

--
She floats like a swan
Grace on the water

[David Empson]

I have. Google mac se20 for several examples on the first page.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[Lewis]

In message <1mjkvy0.1q1aqainkv7zfN%dem...@actrix.gen.nz>

1) None. All are for the SE20 postal code in London.

2) None of the possible sites that might exist date from the time of the
SE and SE/30.


--
Bart: That was the worst day of my life Homer: That was the worst day of
your life SO FAR.

[Király]

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 3:20:59 PM UTC-8, Lewis wrote:
> > I have. Google mac se20 for several examples on the first page.
>
> 1) None. All are for the SE20 postal code in London.

You didn't Google what he suggested you Google.

--
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

[ErikRS]

David Empson wrote:

> Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> I've never heard anyone call an SE an SE20.
>
> I have. Google mac se20 for several examples on the first page.

If I remember right we had 3 different SE versions here in Denmark and
probably the rest of Scandinavia too. - The SE with 2x floppy drives and
no HD, the SE20 with 1x floppy drive + 1x 20mb HD and the SE30 with 1x
floppy drive + 1x 30mb HD.

Shortly after releasing the orig. SE it was possible to buy an external
SCSI HD in exact same design and size as the computer. This HD could be
placed either on top or underneath the computer. If I recall right this
HD had a size of 40mb.

I got 2 of this HD along with about 50 complete Mac computer sets with
monitors and keyboards - ranging from the LC to PM4400/200, about 10
Apple LaserWriter II of varying models + about 25x brand new external
Apple CD600i CD-ROM drives. I picked this up free of charge from a
highschool that was forced to switch to Windows by the county authorities...

So yes, there were three SE models...

[nospam]

In article <nbakdt$i4b$1...@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-...@is.invalid>

wrote:

> >> I've never heard anyone call an SE an SE20.
> >
> > I have. Google mac se20 for several examples on the first page.
>
> If I remember right we had 3 different SE versions here in Denmark and
> probably the rest of Scandinavia too. - The SE with 2x floppy drives and
> no HD, the SE20 with 1x floppy drive + 1x 20mb HD and the SE30 with 1x
> floppy drive + 1x 30mb HD.

the mac se never shipped with a 30 meg hd. it was either none, 20meg or
40 meg.

> Shortly after releasing the orig. SE it was possible to buy an external
> SCSI HD in exact same design and size as the computer. This HD could be
> placed either on top or underneath the computer. If I recall right this
> HD had a size of 40mb.

there were scsi hds before the mac se, including one from apple.

> I got 2 of this HD along with about 50 complete Mac computer sets with
> monitors and keyboards - ranging from the LC to PM4400/200, about 10
> Apple LaserWriter II of varying models + about 25x brand new external
> Apple CD600i CD-ROM drives. I picked this up free of charge from a
> highschool that was forced to switch to Windows by the county authorities...

what for?

> So yes, there were three SE models...

nope, there were only two models, the original and the fdhd/superdrive.

[David Empson]

Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <1mjkvy0.1q1aqainkv7zfN%dem...@actrix.gen.nz>
> David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> > Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
> >> In message <djor1l...@mid.individual.net>
> >> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> > On 2016-03-02, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> In article <djop5j...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> >> >><jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>> I asked him what computer he used to run the software on and it sounds
> >> >>>> like it might have been an SE20 from his description. I think I will
> >> >>>> look around to see if I can find one, already formatted <g> for him.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> That would be an "SE/30".
> >> >>
> >> >> some people called the original mac se an se20 because of its 20 meg hd
> >> >> and to distinguish it from an actual se/30.
> >>
> >> > Oh, interesting. I wasn't aware of that. Thanks. We just called ours
> >> > "Mac SEs". : D
> >>
> >> I've never heard anyone call an SE an SE20.
>
> > I have. Google mac se20 for several examples on the first page.
>
> 1) None. All are for the SE20 postal code in London.

Try again with the word Mac in the search this time.

> 2) None of the possible sites that might exist date from the time of the
> SE and SE/30.

I found a post of mine from October 1998 mentioning that some people
used the term "SE20" or "SE/20" to refer to an SE with 20 MB hard drive.
Is that close enough for you?

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.mac.system/Bt2nw_e5-p0/seyQrpGPaN8J

The "SE/20" notation is also mentioned here:

http://lowendmac.com/1987/mac-se/

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[Bob Cotter]

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 12:03:18 PM UTC-8, David Empson wrote:
>
> I have. Google mac se20 for several examples on the first page.
>

There was an SE20. I was an Apple dealer the year it was introduced and flew to Toronto from Vancouver for the announcement at the release. My brother and I brought three back to Vancouver and they were pretty much immediately sold. If there is a reader from BC, our company was Advantage Computers.

Cheers... Bob

[nospam]

In article <8dd709ac-fcd0-422b...@googlegroups.com>, Bob

Cotter <bob.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There was an SE20. I was an Apple dealer the year it was introduced and flew
> to Toronto from Vancouver for the announcement at the release. My brother and
> I brought three back to Vancouver and they were pretty much immediately sold.
> If there is a reader from BC, our company was Advantage Computers.

not officially there wasn't.

[Lewis]

In message <1mjlaxj.xh6gahmve7gaN%dem...@actrix.gen.nz>

I guess. But I've still never heard it, not even when we owned an SE
with an internal drive (probably 20MB, though I remember replacing it
with a 100MB drive).

> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.mac.system/Bt2nw_e5-p0/seyQrpGPaN8J

> The "SE/20" notation is also mentioned here:

> http://lowendmac.com/1987/mac-se/

I wonder if it was regional or maybe something that came out of MUGs.



--
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons for you are crunchy and taste
good with ketchup

[Lewis]

In message <8dd709ac-fcd0-422b...@googlegroups.com>

Oh no, on that score you are wrong. There may have been a computer that
some people called the SE20, but there was certainly never a model named
SE20 by Apple. (nor SE/20 SE.20 or any other variation).


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referring to those representative members of our fellow sapient races
who have chosen to throw in their lots with the people of this city?' 'I
mean the dwarf and the troll,' said Quirke. --Men at Arms

[David Empson]

I don't remember where I heard it, but likely candidates were
discussions involving members of my MUG, bulletin boards and/or Usenet
in the late 1980s through 1990s.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[Your Name]

In article <8dd709ac-fcd0-422b...@googlegroups.com>, Bob
Cotter <bob.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

There's an "Advantage Computers" here in New Zealand.
http://www.advantage.co.nz

[Bob Cotter]

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 2:22:25 PM UTC-8, Bob Cotter wrote:
> I'm trying to help a friend with this PowerBook, a formatted drive, but no software to do an install. I have tried a Universal 9.2 disk, but it will not work so I guess I need an original for the PB G4. Any idea where I can locate one?

Just a quick note to say that I gave my friend the G4 laptop back without a solution to his problem. He bought me a couple of beers for my efforts and then managed to find an older one with a system on it and his software installed and worked just great on it. He is astrologically happy now.

And, he did get a kick out of Lewis' message regarding "tree-hugging hippie lunatics" :)

Cheers... Bob