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Arlen Holder
Jan 30, 2020, 5:55:54 PM1/30/20
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Dateline today, from Apple:
o Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for all users in the United States
<https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/01/apple-delivers-a-new-redesigned-maps-for-all-users-in-the-united-states/>
"Apple completed the rollout of this new Maps experience in the United
States and will begin rolling it out across Europe in the coming months."
*With respect to privacy*:
"Apple is committed to keeping personal information safe and has built
privacy into the core of Maps. With Maps, no sign-in is required [Note:
Google doesn't require any sign-in either] and it is not connected to an
Apple ID in any way [Note: Google Maps also works fine without being
associated with any Google ID in any way]"
"Personalized features, such as suggesting departure time to make the
next appointment, are created using on-device intelligence. Any data
collected by Maps while using the app, like search terms, navigation
routing and traffic information, is associated with random identifiers that
continually reset to ensure the best possible experience and to improve
Maps."
"Maps goes even further to obscure a user's location on Apple servers when
searching for a location through a process called fuzzing. Maps converts
the precise location where the search originated to a less-exact one after
24 hours and does not retain a history of what has been searched or where a
user has been."
<https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/product/apps/standard/Images-of-Maps.zip>
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Bringing newsworthy facts to the Apple newsgroups, one fact at a time.
o Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for all users in the United States
<https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/01/apple-delivers-a-new-redesigned-maps-for-all-users-in-the-united-states/>
"Apple completed the rollout of this new Maps experience in the United
States and will begin rolling it out across Europe in the coming months."
*With respect to privacy*:
"Apple is committed to keeping personal information safe and has built
privacy into the core of Maps. With Maps, no sign-in is required [Note:
Google doesn't require any sign-in either] and it is not connected to an
Apple ID in any way [Note: Google Maps also works fine without being
associated with any Google ID in any way]"
"Personalized features, such as suggesting departure time to make the
next appointment, are created using on-device intelligence. Any data
collected by Maps while using the app, like search terms, navigation
routing and traffic information, is associated with random identifiers that
continually reset to ensure the best possible experience and to improve
Maps."
"Maps goes even further to obscure a user's location on Apple servers when
searching for a location through a process called fuzzing. Maps converts
the precise location where the search originated to a less-exact one after
24 hours and does not retain a history of what has been searched or where a
user has been."
<https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/product/apps/standard/Images-of-Maps.zip>
--
Bringing newsworthy facts to the Apple newsgroups, one fact at a time.
Arlen Holder
Feb 1, 2020, 11:18:55 AM2/1/20
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o The Biggest Apple Maps Change Is One You Can't See
<https://www.wired.com/story/apple-maps-redesign/>
"Apple's new version of the app is less a rollout of fresh features than
an important step toward the company's own mapping independence."
"Since its Maps app launched in 2012, Apple has relied on licensed data
from navigation technology companies, including TomTom, to fill in the gaps
where it hadn't yet captured its own data. With this latest update, Apple
is no longer licensing TomTom data for the US, the company confirmed. Apple
Maps now relies on the company's own underlying framework for domestic
navigation."
"Google also offers a relatively new augmented-reality feature in Maps;
*Apple Maps doesn't have a comparable feature*."
"As of Thursday afternoon, a map of downtown San Francisco pulled up in
Apple Maps app on an iPhone running iOS 13.3.1 looked pretty much the same
as before. Tapping on the info icon on the page led to a Maps Settings menu
that *still showed TomTom, OpenStreetMap*, and the Weather Channel as data
sources *because those services _still_ provide data* in certain markets."
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Bringing truth to these Apple newsgroups, one simple fact at a time.
<https://www.wired.com/story/apple-maps-redesign/>
"Apple's new version of the app is less a rollout of fresh features than
an important step toward the company's own mapping independence."
"Since its Maps app launched in 2012, Apple has relied on licensed data
from navigation technology companies, including TomTom, to fill in the gaps
where it hadn't yet captured its own data. With this latest update, Apple
is no longer licensing TomTom data for the US, the company confirmed. Apple
Maps now relies on the company's own underlying framework for domestic
navigation."
"Google also offers a relatively new augmented-reality feature in Maps;
*Apple Maps doesn't have a comparable feature*."
"As of Thursday afternoon, a map of downtown San Francisco pulled up in
Apple Maps app on an iPhone running iOS 13.3.1 looked pretty much the same
as before. Tapping on the info icon on the page led to a Maps Settings menu
that *still showed TomTom, OpenStreetMap*, and the Weather Channel as data
sources *because those services _still_ provide data* in certain markets."
--
Bringing truth to these Apple newsgroups, one simple fact at a time.
Arlen Holder
Feb 1, 2020, 11:28:33 AM2/1/20
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What's interesting is that Apple MARKETING touts the mere _illusion_ of
privacy differences, which is highlighted in this article today:
o Apple's new and improved maps that cost billions are now out across the US
<https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/30/apple-launches-improved-maps-app.html>
"'With Maps, no sign-in is required and it is not connected to an Apple ID
in any way,' Apple said in a privacy notice."
Guess what:
a. Google maps doesn't require a sign in either, and,
b. Google maps works just fine sans any Google ID on the device whatsoever.
So, while Apple is telling the truth, their customer is (IMHO) dumb enough
to believe that this is _different_ from what Google requires.
And it's just not.
What's interesting is that Apple knows its customer base is stupid (IMHO).
o So Apple clearly _implies_ this is privacy that Google doesn't have.
And yet, it's merely the _illusion_ of a difference Apple highly touts!
--
Intelligent people can see right through (admittedly brilliant) MARKETING.
privacy differences, which is highlighted in this article today:
o Apple's new and improved maps that cost billions are now out across the US
<https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/30/apple-launches-improved-maps-app.html>
"'With Maps, no sign-in is required and it is not connected to an Apple ID
in any way,' Apple said in a privacy notice."
Guess what:
a. Google maps doesn't require a sign in either, and,
b. Google maps works just fine sans any Google ID on the device whatsoever.
So, while Apple is telling the truth, their customer is (IMHO) dumb enough
to believe that this is _different_ from what Google requires.
And it's just not.
What's interesting is that Apple knows its customer base is stupid (IMHO).
o So Apple clearly _implies_ this is privacy that Google doesn't have.
And yet, it's merely the _illusion_ of a difference Apple highly touts!
--
Intelligent people can see right through (admittedly brilliant) MARKETING.
Alan Baker
Feb 1, 2020, 3:42:28 PM2/1/20
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On 2020-02-01 8:18 a.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> o The Biggest Apple Maps Change Is One You Can't See
> <https://www.wired.com/story/apple-maps-redesign/>
>
> "Apple's new version of the app is less a rollout of fresh features than
> an important step toward the company's own mapping independence."
>
> "Since its Maps app launched in 2012, Apple has relied on licensed data
> from navigation technology companies, including TomTom, to fill in the gaps
> where it hadn't yet captured its own data. With this latest update, Apple
> is no longer licensing TomTom data for the US, the company confirmed. Apple
> Maps now relies on the company's own underlying framework for domestic
> navigation."
>
> "Google also offers a relatively new augmented-reality feature in Maps;
> *Apple Maps doesn't have a comparable feature*."
So you find this source credible, do you?
> o The Biggest Apple Maps Change Is One You Can't See
> <https://www.wired.com/story/apple-maps-redesign/>
>
> "Apple's new version of the app is less a rollout of fresh features than
> an important step toward the company's own mapping independence."
>
> "Since its Maps app launched in 2012, Apple has relied on licensed data
> from navigation technology companies, including TomTom, to fill in the gaps
> where it hadn't yet captured its own data. With this latest update, Apple
> is no longer licensing TomTom data for the US, the company confirmed. Apple
> Maps now relies on the company's own underlying framework for domestic
> navigation."
>
> "Google also offers a relatively new augmented-reality feature in Maps;
> *Apple Maps doesn't have a comparable feature*."
OK:
"But Google also serves up ads—which it calls “promoted pins”—in its
Maps app. Apple does not. Another big differentiator for Apple Maps is
privacy, although that’s not necessarily new. Apple says Maps does not
link to a specific user ID, that a user’s location is obscured when
searching within Maps, and that the company doesn’t retain a history of
user locations. Google, in the past, has been called out for collecting
and storing fairly granular location data without making it obvious to
users that it’s happening—and even if they had paused location sharing.
“What Apple is trying to offer here is privacy of users’ location data,”
Zimmerman says."
Your own chosen source is emphasizing that Google is collecting data
about you.
>
> "As of Thursday afternoon, a map of downtown San Francisco pulled up in
> Apple Maps app on an iPhone running iOS 13.3.1 looked pretty much the same
> as before. Tapping on the info icon on the page led to a Maps Settings menu
> that *still showed TomTom, OpenStreetMap*, and the Weather Channel as data
> sources *because those services _still_ provide data* in certain markets."
>
Alan Baker
Feb 1, 2020, 3:44:14 PM2/1/20
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On 2020-02-01 8:28 a.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> What's interesting is that Apple MARKETING touts the mere _illusion_ of
> privacy differences, which is highlighted in this article today:
> o Apple's new and improved maps that cost billions are now out across the US
> <https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/30/apple-launches-improved-maps-app.html>
>
> "'With Maps, no sign-in is required and it is not connected to an Apple ID
> in any way,' Apple said in a privacy notice."
>
> Guess what:
> a. Google maps doesn't require a sign in either, and,
> b. Google maps works just fine sans any Google ID on the device whatsoever.
> What's interesting is that Apple MARKETING touts the mere _illusion_ of
> privacy differences, which is highlighted in this article today:
> o Apple's new and improved maps that cost billions are now out across the US
> <https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/30/apple-launches-improved-maps-app.html>
>
> "'With Maps, no sign-in is required and it is not connected to an Apple ID
> in any way,' Apple said in a privacy notice."
>
> Guess what:
> a. Google maps doesn't require a sign in either, and,
> b. Google maps works just fine sans any Google ID on the device whatsoever.
"But Google also serves up ads—which it calls “promoted pins”—in its
Maps app. Apple does not. Another big differentiator for Apple Maps is
privacy, although that’s not necessarily new. Apple says Maps does not
link to a specific user ID, that a user’s location is obscured when
searching within Maps, and that the company doesn’t retain a history of
user locations. Google, in the past, has been called out for collecting
and storing fairly granular location data without making it obvious to
users that it’s happening—and even if they had paused location sharing.
“What Apple is trying to offer here is privacy of users’ location data,”
Zimmerman says."
>
Maps app. Apple does not. Another big differentiator for Apple Maps is
privacy, although that’s not necessarily new. Apple says Maps does not
link to a specific user ID, that a user’s location is obscured when
searching within Maps, and that the company doesn’t retain a history of
user locations. Google, in the past, has been called out for collecting
and storing fairly granular location data without making it obvious to
users that it’s happening—and even if they had paused location sharing.
“What Apple is trying to offer here is privacy of users’ location data,”
Zimmerman says."
>
> So, while Apple is telling the truth, their customer is (IMHO) dumb enough
> to believe that this is _different_ from what Google requires.
Your source believes Apple provides greater privacy.
> to believe that this is _different_ from what Google requires.
Arlen Holder
Feb 1, 2020, 5:31:33 PM2/1/20
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MacWorld:
o Now that the Apple Maps redesign is complete, here are 6 more things it needs
<https://www.macworld.com/article/3518810/now-that-the-apple-maps-redesign-is-complete-here-are-6-more-things-it-needs.html>
"A road map, if you will."
"That's because Apple doesn't offer an option to download maps"
Here is what the article "said" they'd like in Apple Maps:
1. Integrated Siri
2. Ridesharing
3. Crowd-sourced accident and police reports
4. Map downloading
5. Music integration
6. Android version
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Bringing the truth to Apple newsgroups, one simple fact at a time.
o Now that the Apple Maps redesign is complete, here are 6 more things it needs
<https://www.macworld.com/article/3518810/now-that-the-apple-maps-redesign-is-complete-here-are-6-more-things-it-needs.html>
"A road map, if you will."
"That's because Apple doesn't offer an option to download maps"
Here is what the article "said" they'd like in Apple Maps:
1. Integrated Siri
2. Ridesharing
3. Crowd-sourced accident and police reports
4. Map downloading
5. Music integration
6. Android version
--
Bringing the truth to Apple newsgroups, one simple fact at a time.
Alan Baker
Feb 1, 2020, 5:51:31 PM2/1/20
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On 2020-02-01 2:31 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> MacWorld:
> o Now that the Apple Maps redesign is complete, here are 6 more things it needs
> <https://www.macworld.com/article/3518810/now-that-the-apple-maps-redesign-is-complete-here-are-6-more-things-it-needs.html>
> "A road map, if you will."
> "That's because Apple doesn't offer an option to download maps"
>
> Here is what the article "said" they'd like in Apple Maps:
> 1. Integrated Siri
> 2. Ridesharing
> 3. Crowd-sourced accident and police reports
> 4. Map downloading
> 5. Music integration
> 6. Android version
>
I notice you don't want to address what your own source (implicitly
> MacWorld:
> o Now that the Apple Maps redesign is complete, here are 6 more things it needs
> <https://www.macworld.com/article/3518810/now-that-the-apple-maps-redesign-is-complete-here-are-6-more-things-it-needs.html>
> "A road map, if you will."
> "That's because Apple doesn't offer an option to download maps"
>
> Here is what the article "said" they'd like in Apple Maps:
> 1. Integrated Siri
> 2. Ridesharing
> 3. Crowd-sourced accident and police reports
> 4. Map downloading
> 5. Music integration
> 6. Android version
>
Arlen Holder
Feb 1, 2020, 7:26:57 PM2/1/20
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On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 14:51:29 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> "What Apple is trying to offer here is privacy of users' location data,"
Alan Baker,
> "What Apple is trying to offer here is privacy of users' location data,"
Apple marketing spews a _lot_ of bullshit, e.g., the batteries made them
_secretly_, permanently, and drastically throttle CPUs, as just one example
of Apple PURE MARKETING BULLSHIT.
*What facts do you provide to indicate Apple Maps are more private?*
Adults are supposed to be able to _separate_ the bullshit in MARKETING
from the facts.
Apple claimed, for example, that you don't need a login to use their maps,
which is fine, but that's the _same_ with Google Maps, so it's _not_ any
more private based on that.
Apple claimed, also, that they don't associate your searches to your
specific Apple ID on your iPhone, which, again, is the _same_ with Google
Maps (at least on my Android, which doesn't even _have_ a Google ID).
Where do you (or Apple) make a FACTUAL claim that is _different_ from
Google with respect to _privacy_ on the Apple Map app.
NOTE: I'm an adult. I base my belief system on facts. I do not base my
belief system on marketing bullshit.
Apple _may_ actually be more private than Google on maps; or they may not
be more private than Google on maps.
*The FACTS are what will prove the point.*
o Not marketing bullshit which Apple is admittedly brilliant at spewing.
*What facts do you provide to indicate Apple Maps are more private?*
--
Apologists often prove to gain all their data from MARKETING bullshit.
Alan Baker
Feb 1, 2020, 11:29:55 PM2/1/20
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On 2020-02-01 4:26 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 14:51:29 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> "What Apple is trying to offer here is privacy of users' location data,"
>
> Alan Baker,
>
> Apple marketing spews a _lot_ of bullshit, e.g., the batteries made them
> _secretly_, permanently, and drastically throttle CPUs, as just one example
> of Apple PURE MARKETING BULLSHIT.
Except those words aren't Apple's, Liar.
> On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 14:51:29 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> "What Apple is trying to offer here is privacy of users' location data,"
>
> Alan Baker,
>
> Apple marketing spews a _lot_ of bullshit, e.g., the batteries made them
> _secretly_, permanently, and drastically throttle CPUs, as just one example
> of Apple PURE MARKETING BULLSHIT.
They are from YOUR SOURCE.
What a shock that you've snipped that fact, huh?
>
> *What facts do you provide to indicate Apple Maps are more private?*
What facts have you produced?
>
> Adults are supposed to be able to _separate_ the bullshit in MARKETING
> from the facts.
>
> Apple claimed, for example, that you don't need a login to use their maps,
> which is fine, but that's the _same_ with Google Maps, so it's _not_ any
> more private based on that.
than Apple.
>
> Apple claimed, also, that they don't associate your searches to your
> specific Apple ID on your iPhone, which, again, is the _same_ with Google
> Maps (at least on my Android, which doesn't even _have_ a Google ID).
>
> Where do you (or Apple) make a FACTUAL claim that is _different_ from
> Google with respect to _privacy_ on the Apple Map app.
>
> NOTE: I'm an adult. I base my belief system on facts. I do not base my
> belief system on marketing bullshit.
>
> Apple _may_ actually be more private than Google on maps; or they may not
> be more private than Google on maps.
>
> *The FACTS are what will prove the point.*
> o Not marketing bullshit which Apple is admittedly brilliant at spewing.
>
> *What facts do you provide to indicate Apple Maps are more private?*
abuses your privacy than Apple does?
Yes or no, Liar.
Thomas E.
Feb 5, 2020, 9:15:45 AM2/5/20
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TOMTOM
(copyright) OpenStreetMap and other data providers (link)
When clicking on the link you see a LONG list of copyrighted global map data providers that are cited as sources. WTF?
Alan Baker
Feb 5, 2020, 12:11:28 PM2/5/20
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Thomas E.
Feb 6, 2020, 10:16:09 AM2/6/20
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Alan Baker
Feb 6, 2020, 11:53:08 AM2/6/20
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Arlen Holder
Feb 11, 2020, 9:51:45 PM2/11/20
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On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 08:53:06 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> So why when I look at Apple's Maps Settings do I still see at the
>>>> bottom of the page:
>>>>
>>>> TOMTOM (copyright) OpenStreetMap and other data providers (link)
>>>>
>>>> When clicking on the link you see a LONG list of copyrighted
>>>> global map data providers that are cited as sources. WTF?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why does that matter to you in the least, Liarboy?
>>
>> Because I at times use Apple's Maps (SIRI queries default to that
>> app) and want to know how it compares to Google's Maps. The fact that
>> Apple is still using the same data sources that caused major issues
>> in the past raises doubts about anything but new window dressing for
>> Apple Maps.
>>
>
> LOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
Adults note apologists turn into "instant children" in the face of fact.
>>>> So why when I look at Apple's Maps Settings do I still see at the
>>>> bottom of the page:
>>>>
>>>> TOMTOM (copyright) OpenStreetMap and other data providers (link)
>>>>
>>>> When clicking on the link you see a LONG list of copyrighted
>>>> global map data providers that are cited as sources. WTF?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why does that matter to you in the least, Liarboy?
>>
>> Because I at times use Apple's Maps (SIRI queries default to that
>> app) and want to know how it compares to Google's Maps. The fact that
>> Apple is still using the same data sources that caused major issues
>> in the past raises doubts about anything but new window dressing for
>> Apple Maps.
>>
>
> LOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
o Why do the apologists like nospam turn into instant children in the face
of mere facts (e.g., ftfy)?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/TZbkkqS3jv4/3_TTHgRpBwAJ>
Arlen Holder
Feb 11, 2020, 9:51:46 PM2/11/20
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On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 09:11:25 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
>> So why when I look at Apple's Maps Settings do I still see at the bottom of the page:
>>
>> TOMTOM
>> (copyright) OpenStreetMap and other data providers (link)
>>
>> When clicking on the link you see a LONG list of copyrighted global map data providers that are cited as sources. WTF?
>>
>
> Why does that matter to you in the least, Liarboy?
Adults will note that apologists call all facts they don't like, lies.
>> So why when I look at Apple's Maps Settings do I still see at the bottom of the page:
>>
>> TOMTOM
>> (copyright) OpenStreetMap and other data providers (link)
>>
>> When clicking on the link you see a LONG list of copyrighted global map data providers that are cited as sources. WTF?
>>
>
> Why does that matter to you in the least, Liarboy?
o Why do apologists like nospam & Alan Baker incessantly call facts they
don't like "lies" and all bearers of facts they don't like "Liars"?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/64pYEfirKiI/upb_51seBQAJ>
Worse, apologists brazenly deny facts that Apple prints in the app itself!
o What is wrong with the Apple Apologists that they deny even what Apple admitted?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/fyL1cQUVCp0/e5J-nW0hBAAJ>
Alan Baker
Feb 13, 2020, 12:09:02 PM2/13/20
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On 2020-02-11 6:51 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 09:11:25 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>>> So why when I look at Apple's Maps Settings do I still see at the bottom of the page:
>>>
>>> TOMTOM
>>> (copyright) OpenStreetMap and other data providers (link)
>>>
>>> When clicking on the link you see a LONG list of copyrighted global map data providers that are cited as sources. WTF?
>>>
>>
>> Why does that matter to you in the least, Liarboy?
>
> Adults will note that apologists call all facts they don't like, lies.
What fact did I call a lie, Liar?
> On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 09:11:25 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>>> So why when I look at Apple's Maps Settings do I still see at the bottom of the page:
>>>
>>> TOMTOM
>>> (copyright) OpenStreetMap and other data providers (link)
>>>
>>> When clicking on the link you see a LONG list of copyrighted global map data providers that are cited as sources. WTF?
>>>
>>
>> Why does that matter to you in the least, Liarboy?
>
> Adults will note that apologists call all facts they don't like, lies.
I asked why it mattered what Apple's data sources for its Maps app were.
tim...
Feb 28, 2020, 11:37:10 AM2/28/20
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> Dateline today, from Apple:
> o Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for all users in the United States
> <https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/01/apple-delivers-a-new-redesigned-maps-for-all-users-in-the-united-states/>
> "Apple completed the rollout of this new Maps experience in the United
> States and will begin rolling it out across Europe in the coming months."
>
> *With respect to privacy*:
> "Apple is committed to keeping personal information safe and has built
> privacy into the core of Maps. With Maps, no sign-in is required [Note:
> Google doesn't require any sign-in either] and it is not connected to an
> Apple ID in any way [Note: Google Maps also works fine without being
> associated with any Google ID in any way]"
really
> o Apple delivers a new redesigned Maps for all users in the United States
> <https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/01/apple-delivers-a-new-redesigned-maps-for-all-users-in-the-united-states/>
> "Apple completed the rollout of this new Maps experience in the United
> States and will begin rolling it out across Europe in the coming months."
>
> *With respect to privacy*:
> "Apple is committed to keeping personal information safe and has built
> privacy into the core of Maps. With Maps, no sign-in is required [Note:
> Google doesn't require any sign-in either] and it is not connected to an
> Apple ID in any way [Note: Google Maps also works fine without being
> associated with any Google ID in any way]"
please tell me how?
I just bought a new tablet and G-Maps refused to even start up unless I gave
it my ID
tim
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