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Egan Ford
Feb 6, 2012, 11:51:35 AM2/6/12
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Usually when Google Usenet Groups has a problem it's that posts from
outside of Google's Usenet service take a long time to appear. Now I
am seeing the opposite. The news server that I use from my ISP is
getting posts from everywhere but Google.
Anyone else seeing this?
Thanks.
outside of Google's Usenet service take a long time to appear. Now I
am seeing the opposite. The news server that I use from my ISP is
getting posts from everywhere but Google.
Anyone else seeing this?
Thanks.
David Schmidt
Feb 6, 2012, 11:58:36 AM2/6/12
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Eternal September.
Egan Ford
Feb 6, 2012, 12:00:42 PM2/6/12
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Linards Ticmanis
Feb 6, 2012, 12:31:50 PM2/6/12
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the culprit, as usual.
Dear Google Groups users: that means currently us who don't usually go
there (except for search purposes) can't read anything you're posting.
Please consider posting from somewhere else.
Although I guess I'm behind the times in still thinking of Google as
nothing more than a slightly glorified search engine...
--
Linards Ticmanis
Egan Ford
Feb 6, 2012, 12:59:17 PM2/6/12
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What are the alternatives? What are others using? If using an NNTP
server, what client on what OS? If web-based, URL. Thanks.
My list:
Web:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.apple2/topics
NNTP Server:
news.xmission.com
NNTP Client/Browser:
nn (OS/X and UNIX), used to love in the '80s/'90s, now prefer GUI
clients (better fonts for readability)
Xnttp (OS/X), Ok, not actively developed. Minor annoyances.
Unison (OS/X), nice, but for ~$30 US you'd think they would have a
spell checker. Actively developed.
NewsTap (iOS iPad and iPhone), Not bad, only iOS option. Actively developed.
magnusfalkirk
Feb 6, 2012, 1:28:49 PM2/6/12
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having trouble getting messages, is Mac GUI City: http//:macgui.com
run by D Finnigan.
Dean
magnusfalkirk
Feb 6, 2012, 1:30:18 PM2/6/12
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Michael J. Mahon
Feb 6, 2012, 1:56:31 PM2/6/12
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Windows client: Thunderbird
iOS client: Newstap
All works well as far as I can tell...
-michael - NadaNet 3.1 and AppleCrate II: http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon
Vladimir Ivanov
Feb 6, 2012, 3:13:38 PM2/6/12
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On Mon, 6 Feb 2012, Egan Ford wrote:
> What are others using? If using an NNTP server, what client on what OS?
client: alpine (email/news)
Charlie
Feb 6, 2012, 3:29:58 PM2/6/12
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client: Thunderbird
OS: Windows 7
I haven't gotten any posts from Google Groups since February 2.
Charlie
Linards Ticmanis
Feb 6, 2012, 3:41:15 PM2/6/12
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On 02/06/2012 06:59 PM, Egan Ford wrote:
> What are the alternatives? What are others using? If using an NNTP
> server, what client on what OS? If web-based, URL. Thanks.
I'm using news.arcor.de, since Arcor was my ISP about 10 years ago (when
> What are the alternatives? What are others using? If using an NNTP
> server, what client on what OS? If web-based, URL. Thanks.
Usenet was still very much alive) and they never bothered disabling my
news account. I prefer Thunderbird as a news reader. But I guess that
doesn't help anybody who has not been an Arcor customer...
--
Linards Ticmanis
D Finnigan
Feb 6, 2012, 3:45:35 PM2/6/12
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--
]DF$
Mac GUI Vault - A source for retro Apple II and
Macintosh computing.
http://macgui.com/vault/
D Finnigan
Feb 6, 2012, 3:47:08 PM2/6/12
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Egan Ford wrote:
> On 2012-02-06 10:31:50 -0700, Linards Ticmanis said:
>
>> On 02/06/2012 05:51 PM, Egan Ford wrote:
>>> Usually when Google Usenet Groups has a problem it's that posts from
>>> outside of Google's Usenet service take a long time to appear. Now I
>>> am seeing the opposite. The news server that I use from my ISP is
>>> getting posts from everywhere but Google.
>>>
>>> Anyone else seeing this?
>>
>> Yes indeed. It's all missing from news.arcor.de. So I guess Google is
>> the culprit, as usual.
>>
>> Dear Google Groups users: that means currently us who don't usually go
>> there (except for search purposes) can't read anything you're posting.
>> Please consider posting from somewhere else.
>>
>> Although I guess I'm behind the times in still thinking of Google as
>> nothing more than a slightly glorified search engine...
>
> I know that this has been discussed before, perhaps its time to discuss
> again.
>
> What are the alternatives? What are others using? If using an NNTP
> server, what client on what OS? If web-based, URL. Thanks.
>
I post from the web interface at Mac GUI:
> On 2012-02-06 10:31:50 -0700, Linards Ticmanis said:
>
>> On 02/06/2012 05:51 PM, Egan Ford wrote:
>>> Usually when Google Usenet Groups has a problem it's that posts from
>>> outside of Google's Usenet service take a long time to appear. Now I
>>> am seeing the opposite. The news server that I use from my ISP is
>>> getting posts from everywhere but Google.
>>>
>>> Anyone else seeing this?
>>
>> Yes indeed. It's all missing from news.arcor.de. So I guess Google is
>> the culprit, as usual.
>>
>> Dear Google Groups users: that means currently us who don't usually go
>> there (except for search purposes) can't read anything you're posting.
>> Please consider posting from somewhere else.
>>
>> Although I guess I'm behind the times in still thinking of Google as
>> nothing more than a slightly glorified search engine...
>
> I know that this has been discussed before, perhaps its time to discuss
> again.
>
> What are the alternatives? What are others using? If using an NNTP
> server, what client on what OS? If web-based, URL. Thanks.
>
http://macgui.com/usenet/
It fetches new articles every 30 minutes. There is a full 20 year archive of
comp.sys.apple2, plus many other Apple II and Macintosh newsgroups.
For direct NNTP access, I recommend bbs-scene.org
D Finnigan
Feb 6, 2012, 4:00:14 PM2/6/12
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I hope that they inject all of those posts soon. Better late than never!
Steven Hirsch
Feb 6, 2012, 9:05:56 PM2/6/12
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On 02/06/2012 01:56 PM, Michael J. Mahon wrote:
>> What are the alternatives? What are others using? If using an NNTP
>> server, what client on what OS? If web-based, URL. Thanks.
>>
>> What are the alternatives? What are others using? If using an NNTP
>> server, what client on what OS? If web-based, URL. Thanks.
>>
> Server: Giganews
>
> Windows client: Thunderbird
Ditto for me, but under Linux. I've never had a lick of trouble with
>
> Windows client: Thunderbird
Giganews. Well worth the $7.99 monthly charge.
brad
Feb 6, 2012, 11:02:38 PM2/6/12
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not a problem with thunderbird and windows 7 fyi
brad
former sysop lost gonzo bbs
Jerry
Feb 7, 2012, 2:01:40 AM2/7/12
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Egan Ford <data...@gmail.com> writes:
> I know that this has been discussed before, perhaps its time to discuss again.
>
> What are the alternatives? What are others using? If using an NNTP
> server, what client on what OS? If web-based, URL. Thanks.
>
> My list:
>
> Web:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.apple2/topics
>
>
> NNTP Server:
>
> news.xmission.com
>
>
> NNTP Client/Browser:
>
> nn (OS/X and UNIX), used to love in the '80s/'90s, now prefer GUI
> clients (better fonts for readability)
>
> Xnttp (OS/X), Ok, not actively developed. Minor annoyances.
>
> Unison (OS/X), nice, but for ~$30 US you'd think they would have a
> spell checker. Actively developed.
>
> NewsTap (iOS iPad and iPhone), Not bad, only iOS option. Actively developed.
I use:
> I know that this has been discussed before, perhaps its time to discuss again.
>
> What are the alternatives? What are others using? If using an NNTP
> server, what client on what OS? If web-based, URL. Thanks.
>
> My list:
>
> Web:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.apple2/topics
>
>
> NNTP Server:
>
> news.xmission.com
>
>
> NNTP Client/Browser:
>
> nn (OS/X and UNIX), used to love in the '80s/'90s, now prefer GUI
> clients (better fonts for readability)
>
> Xnttp (OS/X), Ok, not actively developed. Minor annoyances.
>
> Unison (OS/X), nice, but for ~$30 US you'd think they would have a
> spell checker. Actively developed.
>
> NewsTap (iOS iPad and iPhone), Not bad, only iOS option. Actively developed.
NNTP: news.bbs-scene.org
Client: gnus (within emacs)
--
Jerry awanderin at yahoo dot ca
D Finnigan
Feb 7, 2012, 11:53:14 AM2/7/12
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magnusfalkirk wrote:
>
> replying to myself, it would help if I got the URL right:
> http://www.macgui.com
>
> replying to myself, it would help if I got the URL right:
>
> Dean
>
.. And it looks like Google Groups has indeed injected all of the articles
since 02 Feb.
They are showing up in comp.sys.apple2 with newer dates, though:
http://macgui.com/usenet/?group=1
D Finnigan
Feb 7, 2012, 11:57:38 AM2/7/12
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Ah, but it's even more interesting.
It looks like to solve the problem, Google Groups rolled back their
database, removing all of their Usenet posts since 02 Feb 12.
Then they re-injected them to their own system, all with a date of 06 Feb,
as well as propagating them to the rest of Usenet.
Interesting.
Unfortunately, some articles, such as
<f33b5a02-fa9d-4bf3...@gi10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> by
Antonoine Viganu, are still "trapped" in Google Groups, because it appears
that they didn't calculate the date offset quite right.
Oh well.
It looks like to solve the problem, Google Groups rolled back their
database, removing all of their Usenet posts since 02 Feb 12.
Then they re-injected them to their own system, all with a date of 06 Feb,
as well as propagating them to the rest of Usenet.
Interesting.
Unfortunately, some articles, such as
<f33b5a02-fa9d-4bf3...@gi10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> by
Antonoine Viganu, are still "trapped" in Google Groups, because it appears
that they didn't calculate the date offset quite right.
Oh well.
D Finnigan
Feb 7, 2012, 12:01:43 PM2/7/12
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D Finnigan wrote:
>
> Antonoine Viganu
This is a sign that I should probably take a short break or something. :-/
>
> Antonoine Viganu
This is a sign that I should probably take a short break or something. :-/
Linards Ticmanis
Feb 7, 2012, 12:58:17 PM2/7/12
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On 02/07/2012 05:53 PM, D Finnigan wrote:
> .. And it looks like Google Groups has indeed injected all of the articles
> since 02 Feb.
Confirmed, they've arrived on news.arcor.de too.
> .. And it looks like Google Groups has indeed injected all of the articles
> since 02 Feb.
--
Linards Ticmanis
Rockin' Kat
Feb 7, 2012, 6:55:45 PM2/7/12
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On 2/6/12 9:59 AM, Egan Ford wrote:
> On 2012-02-06 10:31:50 -0700, Linards Ticmanis said:
>
>> On 02/06/2012 05:51 PM, Egan Ford wrote:
>>> Usually when Google Usenet Groups has a problem it's that posts from
>>> outside of Google's Usenet service take a long time to appear. Now I
>>> am seeing the opposite. The news server that I use from my ISP is
>>> getting posts from everywhere but Google.
>>>
>>> Anyone else seeing this?
>>
>> Yes indeed. It's all missing from news.arcor.de. So I guess Google is
>> the culprit, as usual.
>>
>> Dear Google Groups users: that means currently us who don't usually go
>> there (except for search purposes) can't read anything you're posting.
>> Please consider posting from somewhere else.
>>
>> Although I guess I'm behind the times in still thinking of Google as
>> nothing more than a slightly glorified search engine...
>
> I know that this has been discussed before, perhaps its time to discuss
> again.
>
> What are the alternatives? What are others using? If using an NNTP
> server, what client on what OS? If web-based, URL. Thanks.
I've been using Giganews. Back when Comcast still provided Usenet access
> On 2012-02-06 10:31:50 -0700, Linards Ticmanis said:
>
>> On 02/06/2012 05:51 PM, Egan Ford wrote:
>>> Usually when Google Usenet Groups has a problem it's that posts from
>>> outside of Google's Usenet service take a long time to appear. Now I
>>> am seeing the opposite. The news server that I use from my ISP is
>>> getting posts from everywhere but Google.
>>>
>>> Anyone else seeing this?
>>
>> Yes indeed. It's all missing from news.arcor.de. So I guess Google is
>> the culprit, as usual.
>>
>> Dear Google Groups users: that means currently us who don't usually go
>> there (except for search purposes) can't read anything you're posting.
>> Please consider posting from somewhere else.
>>
>> Although I guess I'm behind the times in still thinking of Google as
>> nothing more than a slightly glorified search engine...
>
> I know that this has been discussed before, perhaps its time to discuss
> again.
>
> What are the alternatives? What are others using? If using an NNTP
> server, what client on what OS? If web-based, URL. Thanks.
at no extra charge, they had it contracted out to Giganews so I've been
using them. I just have the cheapest option at $4.99 a month.
www.giganews.com
I just use it with the built-in news reader in Thunderbird as it's
relatively convenient.
I don't care much for reading usenet groups in GoogleGroups because they
often seem to miss a lot of posts.
-RK
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