The Stench Of Linux - How To burn Up Your Chromebook With Linux

[James]

Another example of the stench of Linux.

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=289943

Fresh Mint 19.1, no audio, speakers burning hot when in unmute.
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by PetroL » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:49 am
Hello to you all.
I am new to linux since 20 years back, never really had the patience
until now...

I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532) but apparently
as many others the sound wont come to life...
After a lot of searching and tryouts I have to ask for help...

I tryed to enable the speakers in alsamixer changing from HDMI to the
internal (chtrt5650). Problem is they getting so hot I can barely touch
them, not to mention the stench... I don´t dare to change from MM to
unmute a fourth time, there must be something seriously faulty here and I
don´t know if the left speaker is burned for good by now. Both initially
gave some scraping sound when I started fiddling around but since my last
try only the right one made a sound occasionally.

My question is, this chtrt5650 which I think is the sound card for the
internal speakers, is there any drivers to download like "realtek" or
"AC97" I can try? All I get in Sound Settings is "Dummy Output"...
pavucontrol only shows 8 or 9 different HDMI options all though the
output bar is moving when Youtube is playing in the background.

Any suggestion appreciated, I really want to get this to work.
Thanks in advance.

[Steve Carroll]

Joel's posts are nothing but an incomprehensible rambling.

Joel is repeatedly seen insisting "CANNOT BE FOUND" when it comes to text on the web where info is easy to find... but Joel is just too foolish and lazy to interpret any data... or he does not recognize it *as* data when he does see it. My view is correct. Always correct. Usenet is a free non-organization based on shared ethics.

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[Michael Logies]

>I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532)

I don`t understand this move. A Chromebook with Chrome OS will be
faster than Mint. And Chrome OS has been optimized for this machine.
And Linux for Chrome OS is available.

I think, 95% of computer users want a fast, stable, secure, reliable,
polished PC and OS. Chromebook can deliver that. Putting Mint on them
brings one back into the experimental field. May be fun - or not. But
not a reason to complain.

Regards

M.

[roach]

I agree. Chrome runs really well, has great support and applications
which is why it has developed a very large market share, especially in
schools.

Linux is the opposite.

Linux runs like crap and has crap applications and unless you purchase
something like Redhat support, you are stuck with the Linux community
for support and we can all see how fucked up they are. ie:RTFM.

[Steve Carroll]

Over and over, the refrain is Just Wondering wants to "talk tech", but Just Wondering spends most of his time whining about "SC". I have worked in or with the IT producers industry for more than 35 years. I have served top businesses selling to the automotive industry and the insurance industry. Never, not one single time, were we on any account under a contractual obligation not to load any OS we wanted. We sold OS/2, SCO, HP-UX, and so on alongside Windows on our hardware. I could respond to Just Wondering directly but he's a dolt who screws around to fulfill his thirst to call everyone a cheat.

It was Just Wondering who flooded mGhost's site thousands of times and refused to admit it. Just Wondering expects people to believe that a poster such as mGhost who he has repeatedly claimed to be a forger is someone to 'respect'? Why can he believe people are that stupid?



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[RonB]

Chrome is limited and it's totally infested with Google. I can see wanting a
real OS on a Chromebook.

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[William Unruh]

That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system it
dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them, that has
nothing to do with software.

[James]

William Unruh <un...@invalid.ca> wrote in
news:quqd4m$qs3$2...@dont-email.me:

> On 2020-01-04, James <jamesor...@yahoomail.org> wrote:
>> Another example of the stench of Linux.
>>
>> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=289943
>>
>> Fresh Mint 19.1, no audio, speakers burning hot when in unmute.
>> Quote
>>
>> Post

>> by PetroL » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:49 am

>> Hello to you all.
>> I am new to linux since 20 years back, never really had the patience
>> until now...
>>
>> I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532) but
>> apparently as many others the sound wont come to life...
>> After a lot of searching and tryouts I have to ask for help...
>>
>> I tryed to enable the speakers in alsamixer changing from HDMI to the
>> internal (chtrt5650). Problem is they getting so hot I can barely

>> touch them, not to mention the stench... I don´t dare to change from

>> MM to unmute a fourth time, there must be something seriously faulty

>> here and I don´t know if the left speaker is burned for good by now.

>> Both initially gave some scraping sound when I started fiddling
>> around but since my last try only the right one made a sound
>> occasionally.
>>
>> My question is, this chtrt5650 which I think is the sound card for
>> the internal speakers, is there any drivers to download like
>> "realtek" or "AC97" I can try? All I get in Sound Settings is "Dummy
>> Output"... pavucontrol only shows 8 or 9 different HDMI options all
>> though the output bar is moving when Youtube is playing in the
>> background.
>>
>> Any suggestion appreciated, I really want to get this to work.
>> Thanks in advance.
>
> That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system it
> dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them, that has
> nothing to do with software.

Except for the, ahem, "minor detail" that the hardware works perfectly
with Chrome and that an alternative Linux .asund file fixed his problem.

Linux fails again..

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by PetroL » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:04 am
YEES!!!

Thank you very much sir, now I have an internal speaker option and the
sound works!
I put the asound.state from here: https://pastebin.com/c4qU9hdg in
var/libs/alsa , made an "sudo alsa force-reload" and it just worked..

A big thank you again, my biggest obstacle is gone, now to find the
Swedish chromebook keyboard layout for mint.

EDIT: I know it sounds strange and unbelievable but the shorted speakers
is a fact as stated above, tried it again earlier today and got the same
issues. My left speaker is weaker than the right and after opening my
chromebook the left on is damaged, the cone on it extruding circa 5 mm
more then the right.

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Re: Fresh Mint 19.1, no audio, speakers burning hot when in unmute.
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by MrEen » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:43 pm
That's great that it worked for you!

I'm still a little nervous about your speakers. If they ever blow, you
can get something like this to attach external speakers with.

Have fun.
My sound fix tips for Linux Mint

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[J.O. Aho]

On 04/01/2020 15.37, roach wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 15:28:02 +0100, Michael Logies
> <log...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>>> I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532)
>>
>> I don`t understand this move. A Chromebook with Chrome OS will be
>> faster than Mint. And Chrome OS has been optimized for this machine.
>> And Linux for Chrome OS is available.
>>
>> I think, 95% of computer users want a fast, stable, secure, reliable,
>> polished PC and OS. Chromebook can deliver that. Putting Mint on them
>> brings one back into the experimental field. May be fun - or not. But
>> not a reason to complain.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> M.
>
> I agree. Chrome runs really well, has great support and applications
> which is why it has developed a very large market share, especially in
> schools.

The funny thing, ChromeOS is Linux. So your logic is flawed.

[R.Wieser]

William,

> That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system
> it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them,
> that has nothing to do with software.

Not quite.

If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage difference (when paused
or no audio being played) than a directly-coupled amplifier (no series
capacitor) will transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse) to the
speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up.

Ofcourse, the same will happen when the audio signal drops to a few hertz -
which is not unheard of, as that is often used to detect if there is
something connected to the audio output (cheaper than a switch build into
the audio jack, and will even work with a headphone extension cord).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

[Steve Carroll]

Right, Joel is wanting to sell a web variable, which anyone can get from torrent sites, that is grade school simple. If he wasn't so slow he'd realize how screwed up he is ;) A sustained, relentless, posting itch, despite nothing to say - basically slimy rodent camp followers, and well-lubricated sheep, hung from the ceiling for his own immoral desires. Over and over, the demand is he wants to "talk tech", but Joel spends most of his time whining about "Fedora". I could reply to Joel at once but he is an ass who screws around to effect his appetite to call everyone a troll.



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[William Unruh]

On 2020-01-04, R.Wieser <add...@not.available> wrote:
> William,
>
>> That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system
>> it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them,
>> that has nothing to do with software.
>
> Not quite.
>
> If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage difference (when paused
> or no audio being played) than a directly-coupled amplifier (no series
> capacitor) will transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse) to the
> speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up.

And that is a hardware fault. No amplifier should deliver DC to a
speaker. It is idiotic from many points of view.

[roach]

On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 18:09:33 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh
<un...@invalid.ca> wrote:

>On 2020-01-04, R.Wieser <add...@not.available> wrote:
>> William,
>>
>>> That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system
>>> it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them,
>>> that has nothing to do with software.
>>
>> Not quite.
>>
>> If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage difference (when paused
>> or no audio being played) than a directly-coupled amplifier (no series
>> capacitor) will transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse) to the
>> speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up.
>
>And that is a hardware fault. No amplifier should deliver DC to a
>speaker. It is idiotic from many points of view.

You seem to keep missing the point. Per the thread:

1. Chrome OS worked fine.
2. LinuxMint overloaded the speakers and made them smoke and smell.
3. Installing an alternative .asound file found on some obscure site
fixed the problem.

This is a Linux problem.
And it's not the first time that Linux has been destroying hardware.

Linux's poor fan control has been overheating laptops for ages.

https://itsfoss.com/reduce-overheating-laptops-linux/

[William Unruh]

On 2020-01-04, roach <roachtr...@dynoflush.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 18:09:33 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh
><un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>>On 2020-01-04, R.Wieser <add...@not.available> wrote:
>>> William,
>>>
>>>> That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system
>>>> it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them,
>>>> that has nothing to do with software.
>>>
>>> Not quite.
>>>
>>> If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage difference (when paused
>>> or no audio being played) than a directly-coupled amplifier (no series
>>> capacitor) will transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse) to the
>>> speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up.
>>
>>And that is a hardware fault. No amplifier should deliver DC to a
>>speaker. It is idiotic from many points of view.
>
> You seem to keep missing the point. Per the thread:
>
> 1. Chrome OS worked fine.
> 2. LinuxMint overloaded the speakers and made them smoke and smell.
> 3. Installing an alternative .asound file found on some obscure site
> fixed the problem.

That chromeOS has a workaround to a hardware fault is fine (they could
hardly sell the system if it did not). That does not alter the fact that
feeding DC through speakers is a hardware fault. That that obscure
.asound file also has a workaround to that same fault is good. But that
does not make the problem a software problem. It means that software can
be used to mitigate a hardware problem sometimes.

>
> This is a Linux problem.

No it is a hardware problem, which as you have discovered, there is a
Linux fix which is a workaround to that hardware problem.

> And it's not the first time that Linux has been destroying hardware.
>
> Linux's poor fan control has been overheating laptops for ages.
>
> https://itsfoss.com/reduce-overheating-laptops-linux/

That says nothing about poor fan control. The article states that the
fan is working as hard as it can ("As the mercury rises in the summer
season, the fan speed of the computer goes nuts."), but the laptop is
still overheating. That is a hardware fault again.

>
>
>

[roach]

On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 18:09:33 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh
<un...@invalid.ca> wrote:

Believe what you wish in order to defend your precious Linux.
Any person using that device and smelling it burning under Linux is
going to blame Linux. Especially when the same device functions under
another OS.

BTW, I thought ChromeOs was Linux.
Hahahahhahah!

[roach]

On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 18:31:43 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh

You might want to read the comments where several people state they
have no problems with Windows on the same laptop.

Linux loses again.

[Steve Carroll]

chrisv is an idiot... folks have auto-read his puppets/shills. What he really should use is a bot that keeps switching names, then the posts would have a shot at being one quarter as repetitive as he is. Habits change. I think the idea of a chat client is getting to be old fashion.

It was chrisv who was openly asking how better to better his flooding.

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[R.Wieser]

William,

> And that is a hardware fault. No amplifier should deliver DC
> to a speaker. It is idiotic from many points of view.

So your defence is that when the software makes a mistake the hardware
should fix it ? Interresting train of thought.

But nope. If the cause of the problem is having a DC voltage delivered to
the amplifier than whatever is causing that is at fault I'm afraid.
Regardless of the amplifier having some kind of protection against it or
not.

... Can still be a hardware fault though (not likely, but not a zero chance
either), just now the hardware within the chromebook itself.

Than again, my second explanation to the loudspeaker heating up is probably
more plausible. Subsonic sound.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

[R.Wieser]

Roach, William,

> Linux loses again.

Oh f*ck, is this one of those "my OS is better than your OS" threads ?
Forget I said anything.

Goodbye.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

[Snit]

I like Bic pens. You like something else. YOU HEATHEN!

Yeah, I don't get it.

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What it looks like is the least of your problems and not key to its performance, especially if it's approved by RMS. "Somewhere between 1997 or 2001 I trusted mGhost - the completely irrational liar" - ronb. Run a background report on ronb and you will learn that he was in the clink for a long time. The investigation sites can not go into that level of detail and public reports are private unless court ordered.

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[roach]

On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 19:58:38 +0100, "R.Wieser" <add...@not.available>
wrote:

Not from my perspective.
No OS is perfect so I say use what works for you.

Linux, desktop Linux, definitely sucks the big one though.

[Carlos E.R.]

Still a hardware problem with a software workaround.


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[Steve Carroll]

mGhost was once again a sophist by claiming he would not engage Joel by blasting PLONK and then assaulting him again via a 3rd party. But mGhost feels the need to insult the cult-like herd of convenient friends.

The one skill mGhost learned sufficiently is to work to guilt Joel into submission and if that doesn't work, flood the thread or quickly change the goalpost.

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[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 12:15:01 -0700
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> On 1/4/20 11:58 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
> > Roach, William,
> >
> >> Linux loses again.
> >
> > Oh f*ck, is this one of those "my OS is better than your OS"
> > threads ? Forget I said anything.
> >
> > Goodbye.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rudy Wieser
> >
> >
>
> I like Bic pens. You like something else. YOU HEATHEN!
>
> Yeah, I don't get it.
>

I advocate, sometimes loudly, for Stihl chainsaws but will gladly use a
Husky or even a Craftsman if wood is to be cut and that's what's handy.

I do NOT advocate for an OS. Let each and all choose their own folly.

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[Steve Carroll]

Now that owl appreciated how successful HWSNBN is at portraying himself as the 'injured party' he has figured out this is not quite as crazy as it sounded. After the latest update I no longer have a working system. Thanks Mint!

It is a simple fact when HWSNBN repeatedly uses the word 'troll' the way CNN does, to the point where the word gets am ironic innuendo.

You've proven very little.



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[Snit]

On 1/4/20 12:39 PM, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 12:15:01 -0700
> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/4/20 11:58 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
>>> Roach, William,
>>>
>>>> Linux loses again.
>>>
>>> Oh f*ck, is this one of those "my OS is better than your OS"
>>> threads ? Forget I said anything.
>>>
>>> Goodbye.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Rudy Wieser
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I like Bic pens. You like something else. YOU HEATHEN!
>>
>> Yeah, I don't get it.
>>
> I advocate, sometimes loudly, for Stihl chainsaws but will gladly use a
> Husky or even a Craftsman if wood is to be cut and that's what's handy.
>
> I do NOT advocate for an OS. Let each and all choose their own folly.
>

I am fine with discussions about why YOU prefer one OS over another,
especially if based on a task. I like such-and-such OS for task X, and
here is why... I can do it in such-and-such way. Hey, how would you do
that in another OS? Or even just questions to compare workflows in one
OS vs. another. But if you like how you do it and I like how I do it and
we can learn from each other then that is great. My ego is not tied to
any OS.

[William Unruh]

On 2020-01-04, R.Wieser <add...@not.available> wrote:

> William,
>
>> And that is a hardware fault. No amplifier should deliver DC
>> to a speaker. It is idiotic from many points of view.
>
> So your defence is that when the software makes a mistake the hardware
> should fix it ? Interresting train of thought.

You seem to have trouble reading. It is a hardware fault. Sometimes
software can ammeliorate hardware faults. But a generic operating system
like linux cannot anticipate all of the ways that hardware companies can
screw up.

>
> But nope. If the cause of the problem is having a DC voltage delivered to
> the amplifier than whatever is causing that is at fault I'm afraid.
> Regardless of the amplifier having some kind of protection against it or
> not.
>
> ... Can still be a hardware fault though (not likely, but not a zero chance
> either), just now the hardware within the chromebook itself.

Of course it is hardware within the chromebook itself. Where else would
it be?

>
> Than again, my second explanation to the loudspeaker heating up is probably
> more plausible. Subsonic sound

What is subsonic to you may be desired by someone else.

>
> Regards,
> Rudy Wieser
>
>

[Steve Carroll]

I am a complete groupie of Mint, because that's where all the stimulating innovation is happening.

At one point, he said a legitimate denizen was "obsessing" over him, which was nothing more than him posting to himself.

mGhost has toned down the nonstop narcissistic, insane threads he used to post but he's clearly unchanged in the honesty territory. He simple uses puppets more to create those circuses. Now let us see knows C++, is an IT "master", has forged Snit's ID, has poor impulse control and is a huge tantrum throwing mama's boy who, when he is quoted lying, posts lie after lie after lie even when he's not flooding... AND... who struggles to pin everything he is doing on "advocates" and has for years? That is the problem now and newer educators don't understand why older people are better; people from earlier generations should know better than to fall for the New World agenda.

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[Steve Carroll]

His goal is to see me annoyed by killing of any discussion. And hey, that could happen.

And in response you have nothing but an attempt to start a war. But why the need to edit the DOM via an automated phone system in a mobile system? As always, Jeremy didn't list this as part of his unsurprisingly never ending expansion of 'requirements' <whatever>. I have a number of reasons for believing the flooder is Jeremy, who is a demonstrable programmer but I don't know if it could be used to get by Google's spam filters.

Jeremy lies so much that he has a hard time keeping record of his lies. Or his shills for that matter.

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[Jasen Betts]

I've seen some "sound cards" that can be commanded to produce DC.
that could overheat speakers.

--
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[Steve Carroll]

I remain unconvinced that these posts are scripted.

Just stupid trolling. And I am giving attention to that trolling. THAT is what the "Joel circus" is. You are as clever as a gibber monkey. And in retaliation you have nothing but a crack to start a war. Can UTF-8 characters be concatenated into a string with a logical connection to the "real" world; that is the question posed recently by those astonished at the fire-hose of nonsense from assorted google-posters and Cheetos smelling losers.

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[Steve Carroll]

mGhost is commonly seen posting "I KNOW BETTER" when it comes to text on a site where info does exist... but mGhost is just too moronic or too in over your head to discern any advice... or he doesn't recognize it as advice when he does see it. No one here has ever read my code, much less found a bug; still, in the dark recesses of my brain, I'm thinking, "My mistakes will come to haunt me", but nobody knows that.

The guy is as popular as a rattle snake in a lucky dip -- and with good reason. There is no question at least some of the posts are hand generated because some of them are direct responses in very specific ways with attempts to mislead on specific issues. Which can only be mGhost.

Heck, just recently mGhost was declaring himself the only "true Linux advocate", and claiming that "advocates" (in scare-quotes just to annoy Snit Glasser) are focusing on Windows more than on Linux.

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[R.Wieser]

William,

> You seem to have trouble reading. It is a hardware fault.

Repeating yourself doesn't change anything I'm afraid. Its just makes you
look as someone who has nothing to underbuild his claim.

In other words, start with proving that its the hardware thats faulty. And
no, pointing at the the hardware because it doesn't have a fix-all defence
mechanism isn't going to fly I'm afraid.

> But [software] cannot anticipate all of the ways that hardware
> companies can screw up.

Funny that you can swap the words "software" and "hardware" there around
without the claim loosing its validity.

And lol that you have a problem with the hardware not having a fix-all
defense against loudspeakers heating up. You see, if it wouldn't get faulty
"data" that would not even happen in the first place. And guess where that
"data" comes from ...

As for "not anticipate" ? Grow up. All the software needs to do is to
return the audio output voltage to zero. Nothing more, nothing less. And
thats definitily not rocket science.

As for your claim that the other softwares all contain a work-around for the
hardware problem ? Thats a possibility. But you know what another
possibility is, and way more likely ? That those other softwares simply do
not have the bug of the first one. :-)

Kiddo, you are caught in another simple pissing contest. This time software
against hardware. Which is as stupid as the "my OS is better than your OS"
flamewars that ever so often occur. So, goodbye again.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

[Steve Carroll]

For most I would merely suggest the comment is suspicious. Given that it's Joel I would drop that step and go straight to 'drug-induced delusion' because that's most of what Joel does. Innocent until proven guilty does not apply to Joel. Lines of text containing tells.

You've proven very little.

Calls it "obsessing" over him, even though he continues to elicit that selfsame criteria. Wow! How did Joel get _so_ self-centered he thinks everything is about his trolling??

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[William Unruh]

On 2020-01-04, R.Wieser <add...@not.available> wrote:

> William,
>
>> You seem to have trouble reading. It is a hardware fault.
>
> Repeating yourself doesn't change anything I'm afraid. Its just makes you
> look as someone who has nothing to underbuild his claim.
>
> In other words, start with proving that its the hardware thats faulty. And
> no, pointing at the the hardware because it doesn't have a fix-all defence
> mechanism isn't going to fly I'm afraid.

IF as you and I both suspect, the problem is caused by DC being let
through and amplified, then this is a hardware problem. It is the
hardware that is amplifying the DC, not the software. If you would like
to donate your chromebook to me, I might be able to make measurements to
determine that this is what is happeneing.

Otherwise I do not have access to the hardwre so I can hardly prove that
it is the hardware that is at fault.

The lowest frequency that the speakers in your chromebook can handle is
something above 100 Hz. For the system to let through lower frequencies
is incompetent design. For the system to deliver and let through DC is
very incompetent design.
Since small speakers cannot deliver low frequecies (they cannot push
around enough air) the presense of low frequencies will produce huge
distortion, even if they do not burn out. The cones will bring the coil
out to the edge of the magnetic field and where the response gets
weaker, and the sounds one can hear will get badly distorted.

Now, you can tell the source not to send anything with frequencies lower
than 100 Hz to the speakers, (a software solution), or you can design
the amplifier so that it does not send low frequencies to the speaker.

>
>> But [software] cannot anticipate all of the ways that hardware
>> companies can screw up.
>
> Funny that you can swap the words "software" and "hardware" there around
> without the claim loosing its validity.

Agreed, but not in this case.

>
> And lol that you have a problem with the hardware not having a fix-all
> defense against loudspeakers heating up. You see, if it wouldn't get faulty
> "data" that would not even happen in the first place. And guess where that
> "data" comes from ...

Some people drive subwoofers from their computers. Why should the
software assume that that is not what is happening. How does the
software know that this machine was so incompetently built that if it
sends lower frequencies than 100 Hx, the speakers will overheat and
distort?

>
> As for "not anticipate" ? Grow up. All the software needs to do is to
> return the audio output voltage to zero. Nothing more, nothing less. And
> thats definitily not rocket science.

How does it know what "zero" is. It simply sends digital signals to the
soundcard. Teh soundcard (hardware) turns those to signals.
To use your argument, prove to me that the software is telling the
hardware to emit a huge DC signal.

>
> As for your claim that the other softwares all contain a work-around for the
> hardware problem ? Thats a possibility. But you know what another
> possibility is, and way more likely ? That those other softwares simply do
> not have the bug of the first one. :-)
>
> Kiddo, you are caught in another simple pissing contest. This time software
> against hardware. Which is as stupid as the "my OS is better than your OS"
> flamewars that ever so often occur. So, goodbye again.

I thought we were trying to figure out why his speakers were getting
hot? That is what I was trying to do. If what you were trying to do is
get into a pissing contest, then yes, goodbye. (It is like people dying
in operas-- everytime you think they are gone, they up and scream again)


>
> Regards,
> Rudy Wieser
>
>

[Steve Carroll]

The Thing is STILL fixated on *only* himself, as I suggested, when it comes to the business of lying. And he completely ducks the proof that his "buddy" has not only admitted to engaging in this against Just Wondering but he has said he thinks it to be no huge deal... immaterial.

Protected code is best done with code morphing. The Thing should grasp Just Wondering knows he is just trolling. The Thing wants to punish the whole group: If The Thing can't be the focus here then nobody will. This is something you merely pretend to understand. Too much glue for you, gluehead.



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[Paul]

William Unruh wrote:

> On 2020-01-04, James <jamesor...@yahoomail.org> wrote:

>> Any suggestion appreciated, I really want to get this to work.
>> Thanks in advance.
>
> That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system it
> dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them, that has

> nothing to do with software.

If you want to get it to work, your first step is:

1) Connect Line-Out of suspect machine, to Line-in
on Technician machine.
2) Set sample rate to max. (On my two computers here,
both support 192KHz, but the input analog filter that
prevents aliasing, is set to 50KHz or so in the design.)

Then, use Audacity to record this "hot speaker" situation
and discover the "energy" being sent.

Some computer audio setups, have "impedance sensing"
as well as "jack sensing". The original Analog Devices
scheme, sent a burst of 25KHz at a decent amplitude,
to allow measuring current flow and thereby , allowing
an impedance (not a resistance) measurement to be done.

RealTek did not use this idea initially, but apparently
may have acquired the right to use it recently.

Impedance sensing this way is necessary, because
computer audio is fully capacitively coupled. There are
caps all over the place. No DC is intended to be flowing
on *any* unamplified interface.

A few computers have a 2W power amp and drive unamplified
speakers. For the rest, the vast majority, the LineOut has
no power drive capabilities, and can only drive 32 ohms
(recommended) at the best of times. (It's 600 ohms rated
with the headphone amp tick box off, 32 ohms with the
headphone amp tick box on, generally no more than two
connectors with headphone amp enabled.)

If the speakers or the external amp get hot, check for *ultrasonic*
output. If a 1V signal at 25KHz is coming out of the
computer (say, because of the chip "impedance sensing"
function has gone nuts), the technician machine sampling
at 192KHz and 50KHz low pass, can capture that for you.

Power amplifiers can also oscillate on their own,
which would be a discussion for sci.electronics
or the like. Circuits can be "closed circuit stable"
or "open circuit stable", and these general classifications
help guide people in terms of "what to expect" from their
gadgets.

As an example, the ATX power supply has a control loop,
and if more than around 5000uF of bypass caps total
is used on a rail, it could affect the stability of
the control loop. It can't drive just any old load.
And that's useful information if using ATX supplies
as replacements for bench supplies (in an electronics
lab).

In any case, a little creative usage of LineIn on your
"good, working" computer, will tell you whatsup.

And as for audio amps that oscillator, just about
every audio power amp I've ever constructed has
oscillated. One (as a teenager), I took it to high
school and put it on the scope, and it was oscillating
at 500KHz. The speakers of course, cannot follow
this signal, so your eardrums don't get punished.
If the signal is ultrasonic but closer to audible,
there could be an acoustic effect from the super dome
tweeters. If you build or even assemble your own
power amp from a kit, it pays to scope
it before getting too excited about your "accomplishment" :-/
A hint of trouble, is a "hollow sound" in the
midrange frequencies. If you need extreme corrections
with your graphic equalizer to balance the sound,
that's a sign there's trouble brewing in there.

Paul

[Steve Carroll]

Here are some of the scripted posts from Jonas Eklundh... the script adds a nonsense or irrelevant insult or accusation after most sentences and adds numbers to the text so he can better track his trolling:

<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/RZtEyvJr8HI/VcEqOk2qCgAJ> or <https://goo.gl/67NLfr>.

You can see a run of three scripted flood posts from his primary account.

From: Sandman <m...@sandman.net>
Message-ID: <sandman-b7df8761d3b6...@individual.net>
X-Trace: individual.net +MPBYFbnugFd2iPraU5I9ABV/5ZlNHtqj79Ij19mAYCfL5sHI=
User-Agent: Sandmania 2.0

He also has them elsewhere, here are some examples:

<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/Xetqyi1T0F0/cvoqp3eqCgAJ> OR <https://goo.gl/jy0rsr>.

<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/10d0Emx_ABk/eN0r1_epCgAJ> OR <https://goo.gl/Rkz0PO>.

On that one he has a run of two.

And a longer and clearly scripted, content-free flood post:

<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/2WS3xlecnw8/lizfGLOnCgAJ> OR <https://goo.gl/t7cTHd>.

And even more!

<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/cYutxNP1hWc/KZikieXECgAJ> OR <https://goo.gl/Z6G7Ic>

<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/RZtEyvJr8HI/6sJfxaDECgAJ> OR <https://goo.gl/mTXlFt>

Lots more but that is enough to prove the point multiple times over. Sandman has been flooding not just with his Google accounts but with his standard account. ALL of those come from the same source I listed above and it is Sandman's standard account.

Jonas Eklundh: busted.

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[AnonLinuxUser]

On 1/4/2020 9:53 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
> William,

>
>> That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system
>> it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them,
>> that has nothing to do with software.
>

> Not quite.
>
> If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage difference (when paused
> or no audio being played) than a directly-coupled amplifier (no series
> capacitor) will transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse) to the
> speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up.
>

Which puts the design of the hardware at fault. The engineer is
supposed to do a sanity check on his design.

[flatfish+++]

On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 17:33:10 -0700, AnonLinuxUser <An...@Linuxusers.net>
wrote:

>On 1/4/2020 9:53 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
>> William,
>>
>>> That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system
>>> it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them,
>>> that has nothing to do with software.
>>
>> Not quite.
>>
>> If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage difference (when paused
>> or no audio being played) than a directly-coupled amplifier (no series
>> capacitor) will transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse) to the
>> speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up.
>>
>
>Which puts the design of the hardware at fault. The engineer is
>supposed to do a sanity check on his design.

Looks like a hardware fault to me. Chrome managed to work around it
with the software but for some reason Linux did not until later on
where someone probably reported the problem and a fix for Linux was
developed.

I blame poor hardware for this one and not Linux.

[Alfonso P Cutaway]

On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 13:19:47 -0500, roach wrote:

> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 18:09:33 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh

> <un...@invalid.ca> wrote:

>
>>On 2020-01-04, R.Wieser <add...@not.available> wrote:
>>> William,
>>>
>>>> That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system it
>>>> dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them,
>>>> that has nothing to do with software.
>>>
>>> Not quite.
>>>
>>> If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage difference (when
>>> paused or no audio being played) than a directly-coupled amplifier (no
>>> series capacitor) will transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse)
>>> to the speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up.
>>

>>And that is a hardware fault. No amplifier should deliver DC to a
>>speaker. It is idiotic from many points of view.
>

> You seem to keep missing the point. Per the thread:
>
> 1. Chrome OS worked fine.
> 2. LinuxMint overloaded the speakers and made them smoke and smell. 3.
> Installing an alternative .asound file found on some obscure site fixed
> the problem.
>

> This is a Linux problem.

> And it's not the first time that Linux has been destroying hardware.
>
> Linux's poor fan control has been overheating laptops for ages.
>
> https://itsfoss.com/reduce-overheating-laptops-linux/

On item # 2 I call BULLSHIT!!!!!!

[Steve Carroll]

I have a custom setup I use as well, but it's something you would not understand.

It's a prank call. Jeff Relf has already decided what he is going to say before he calls. What you say does not matter. What Joel says is ignored.

What did Jeff Relf have to say about this amazing support from new posters? Most of the time he would try to push the reader to trust they're students of his who just happened to have great timing. Yeah, right!

In fact Jeff Relf's lies only grew. So obviously I regret being kind to Jeff Relf. While I am sure his wife appreciated it, he has taught me to never try to appease a troll. No no. Jeff Relf never agreed to stop accusing good people of being like him. He lied about his trolling which surprised nobody.

My view point: Even if Jeff Relf was merely learning just for fun, the notion that attaining understanding as being one of having "NOTHING" to show for it doesn't fly because you will by definition have the wisdom to show for it and an education is a dangerous weapon. Out-and-out hokum by an uneducated, lying, agenda driven, co-trolling nitwit who couldn't tell the truth if his life depended on it.

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[Steve Carroll]

That is the problem 'today' and younger pupils don't have a clue; people from earlier generations SHOULD know better than to fall for communism.

After deleting all the sock puppets from Joel, it is mainly just two trolls producing most of the barrage. Yes. And both in every way morons.

Another successful Linux test. That is if you count the lowest common denominator of usage as a success.

I usually go post by post unless someone has a habit of especially intense flooding. With Joel, I already intuit what his approach is, all he craves is debate and, regrettably, he will do ANYTHING to get it. His never ending routine is to play 'abused' but reality shows it is all of the group who are his targets.

At times, fancy is more valuable than faithful descriptions of reality.



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[Steve Carroll]

On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 6:39:18 PM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote:

"Somewhere between 1997 or 2009 I trusted Snit - the fully absurd liar" - mGhost. So mGhost changed his story to talking about his family. More distortion by mGhost. Snit didn't deny uploading it, but he did not upload it to Vine. mGhost did that, in an page that uses his ideas.... and he did it because he's obsessed with mGhost kicking his ass 7 ways to Sunday.

Do not get too arrogant, mGhost, sometimes "advocates" are just that.

You guys can only appreciate things from the perspective of a psychopath. In fact mGhost's lies were quoted time and time again. So naturally I regret assisting mGhost. While I am sure his shills loved it, he has taught me to never try to appease a troll.



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[Steve Carroll]

Right now there are too many "works for me" Linux users and not enough people with the skills to help the people with Macs. Insecure Marek Novotny just has a ton of completely debatable allegations and he knows it, so his MO is to repeat his bullshit with flood bots and engage 'friends' (who are either socks or shills) to 'back' that crap to confuse his audience. Android is based on Linux. No matter what the trolls say.

Insecure Marek Novotny can't get anything else to work, either.



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[chrisv]

William Unruh wrote:

> R.Wieser <add...@not.available> wrote:
>>
>> If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage difference (when paused
>> or no audio being played) than a directly-coupled amplifier (no series
>> capacitor) will transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse) to the
>> speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up.
>

>And that is a hardware fault. No amplifier should deliver DC to a
>speaker. It is idiotic from many points of view.

Of course, you are right. R.Wieser's statement contains a big "if".
An amplifier that needs to drive a low-impedance load at high power,
such as a loudspeaker, generally cannot be capacitively coupled to
that load. Circuits such as DC servos can be used null the output of
the amplifier.

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[chrisv]

Cybe R. Wizard wrote:

>I advocate, sometimes loudly, for Stihl chainsaws but will gladly use a
>Husky or even a Craftsman if wood is to be cut and that's what's handy.
>
>I do NOT advocate for an OS. Let each and all choose their own folly.

Indeed. Although I've hung-out in cola for many years, I'm really
about software Freedom, consumer choice, and fair play in the market.

--
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[Steve Carroll]

He is as incompetent as mGhost. mGhost just has a bunch of completely debatable allegations and he knows it, so his MO is to repeat his bullshit with flood bots and engage 'people' (who are either socks or shills) to 'support' that crap to confuse his audience. On and on. You're again trying to pretend you are something you are not. You're the dim bulb and your many hare-brained challenges show this. I can tell mGhost does not even know what is wrong with the MSM.

You likely think Debian handles the desktop well. Nope. Not compared to the competition. Unlike the intelligent people in the US, mGhost relies on biased science to contrive his positions on politics. Therefore, he only is familiar with and consents to the endorsed reports which also are the ones which portray climate change in favorable and respectable way.



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[-hh]

On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 7:35:45 PM UTC-5, flatfish+++ wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 17:33:10 -0700, AnonLinuxUser <An...@Linuxusers.net>
> wrote:
> >On 1/4/2020 9:53 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
> >> William,
> >>
> >>> That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system
> >>> it dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them,
> >>> that has nothing to do with software.
> >>
> >> Not quite.
> >>
> >> If the audio output doesn't return to a zero voltage
> >> difference (when paused or no audio being played) than
> >> a directly-coupled amplifier (no series capacitor) will
> >> transfer that DC voltage (amplified ofcourse) to the
> >> speakers, quite likely causing them to heat up.
> >>
> >
> >Which puts the design of the hardware at fault. The engineer
> >is supposed to do a sanity check on his design.
>
> Looks like a hardware fault to me.

Eh, I'd not be so quick. Could be that it was a known
hardware 'shortcut' that was intended to be corrected
in Software, resulting in an overall cheaper cost system.

> Chrome managed to work around it with the software but
> for some reason Linux did not until later on where someone
> probably reported the problem and a fix for Linux was
> developed.

This sounds like the problem never manifested itself in
Chrome because they knew upfront that the software team was
responsible to build in the "missing from hardware" controller.

> I blame poor hardware for this one and not Linux.

I'd similarly not blame Linux, as they were unlikely to have
had the original design requirements. But I'd also note that
it isn't necessarily "poor" hardware as much as it is looks
like it was "cheap" hardware that wasn't inherently self-protecting.


-hh

[Steve Carroll]

When I was new here, I wanted to be reasonable and open minded. I gave Tattoo Vampire more than a credible person should.

You are quick as a tuna on ice. Yup. Of course this is what we have to stop. Jerks who have no reason for being here other than to flood.

This is something the mainstream media never covers.

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[Steve Carroll]

On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 3:11:40 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:

From how Joel posted - by demanding fundamentals of the language and more - he's never figured out a graphically complex issue in his life. Otherwise he'd have understood the requirements like knowing the value of case sensitivity! You hacked it and did extensive testing and your "professional opinions" lead you to that assumption, so what? Please give a case study of a successful job creator that has built its fortune by not focusing on its customers or services.

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[Steve Carroll]

I shall not ask mGhost how any part of Marek Novotny's body tastes no matter how many times mGhost kisses it.

mGhost shows at least some of the posts are hand generated because some of them tap into what Marek Novotny said in very specific ways which proves they are a response.

Over and over, the refrain is mGhost wants to "talk tech", but mGhost spends most of his time whining about "obsession". If the content is a bunch of randomized bullshit. 2+2= Already moved on from that. You are too slow!

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[Steve Carroll]

It's a poorly written flyer. Insecure Marek Novotny has already decided what he is going to say before he calls. What you say is ignored. What Joel says doesn't matter.

Insecure Marek Novotny is STILL fixated on *only* himself, as I suggested, when it comes to the subject of puppetry. And he completely ducks the evidence that his "partner" has not only admitted to engaging in that against Joel but he's said he deems it to be no real deal... immaterial. You never take blame for your own actions. Words that are easily shown in the Google archive. Why do you keep repeating Joel?

Your system will crawl while finding a way to stop Insecure Marek Novotny.

Insecure Marek Novotny is far too unintelligent to write a ChromeOS script. The only scripting he's ever shown he can do is click, click, drool, drool.

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[Steve Carroll]

Well... like I said, RonB would never deny the flooder is Marek Novotny, who is a Swift programmer but I don't know if it could be used to flood so much.

I bet he thinks my life was fun. You've proven nothing. Plenty of individuals persist in talking to Marek Novotny. To be honest, I can not indict RonB for getting angry but, frankly, I don't grasp why he posts here with Marek Novotny here. RonB is better at dialog as is common in a BBS forum and advocacy forums aren't it. RonB's computer has more cores than Marek Novotny's. RonB wins. Marek Novotny loses. Any questions?



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[Steve Carroll]

I have a custom setup I use as well, but it's better than yours.

My view is that we should ALL report the flooding and then it will stop. So he changed his story to Snit responding to any sock of his. This is clearly an interest of mine.

I am working on an idea which will be more than anything Stupid Marek can do!



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[Alek]

William Unruh wrote on 1/4/2020 11:05 AM:
> On 2020-01-04, James <jamesor...@yahoomail.org> wrote:

> > Any suggestion appreciated, I really want to get this to work.
> > Thanks in advance.
>

> That is a hardware fault, not a software problem. If the system it
> dumping sufficient current through you speakers to fry them, that has
> nothing to do with software.

You never heard of the HCF instruction? :-)

[Lucifer]

On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 09:37:27 -0500, roach
<roachtr...@dynoflush.org> wrote:

>On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 15:28:02 +0100, Michael Logies
><log...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>>>I yesterday installed Mint on my chromebook (Acer CB3-532)
>>

>>I don`t understand this move. A Chromebook with Chrome OS will be
>>faster than Mint. And Chrome OS has been optimized for this machine.
>>And Linux for Chrome OS is available.
>>
>>I think, 95% of computer users want a fast, stable, secure, reliable,
>>polished PC and OS. Chromebook can deliver that. Putting Mint on them
>>brings one back into the experimental field. May be fun - or not. But
>>not a reason to complain.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>M.
>
>I agree. Chrome runs really well, has great support and applications
>which is why it has developed a very large market share, especially in
>schools.
>
>Linux is the opposite.
>
>Linux runs like crap and has crap applications and unless you purchase
>something like Redhat support, you are stuck with the Linux community
>for support and we can all see how fucked up they are. ie:RTFM.

If it has 4 GB RAM you can run Solaris 11.4.