An actually respectable iPad/Apple critique
ZnU
-with-the-ipad/
I could argue with a lot of it, but it actually engages with Apple at
Apple's level, attempting to understand Apple's approach to design and
to find the weaknesses of that approach.
Of course this means it will largely be as incomprehensible to the
iPad's geek critics as aesthetically-oriented praise of the iPad is.
This bit is particularly interesting (and is the reason I'd consider
this post on-topic for COLA):
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For better or worse, Apple has framed design discourses for nearly 15
years. Alternate design paradigms inevitably start out as un-Apples
before they find their voice.
You can see this massive influence in any significant Apple-era design
paradigm. Microsoft pretty obviously follows Apple�s lead. The Droid is
military-industrial, an obviously reactionary, un-Apple aesthetic.
Google, being a smart company, has quietly, in recent years, attempted
to rebel against the Apple aesthetic by moving away from �rounded
corners and saturated colors.� Along with the likes of WordPress, they
are pioneering something of an �unboxed� aesthetic in products such as
the Google Reader. (The Chrome logo is an uncharacteristic slip).
But these design rebellions are superficial. To craft a true design
rebellion, you must go where Apple doesn�t go, innovation-wise. What
characterizes �Ugly is Beautiful� is a cobbled-together tinkerer look.
You can�t fake this. You have to be in the disruptive-radical quadrant,
otherwise you look like you are merely executing a simple idea
incompetently.
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Kid Carson
"ZnU" <z...@fake.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Th> otherwise you look like you are merely executing a simple idea
> incompetently.
Yes - exactly. Form over function - one of Apples trademark philosophies.
If it looks good - it must be good.
If it costs more - it must be better.
The feeble minded ALWAYS buy into that.
3% World Market Share shows it to be true.
chrisv
>Yes - exactly. Form over function - one of Apples trademark philosophies.
>
>If it looks good - it must be good.
>
>If it costs more - it must be better.
>
>The feeble minded ALWAYS buy into that.
Well, there's nothing wrong with giving the people what they think
they want... The people spend their money, and they're mostly happy.
Harley-Davidson comes to mind as a similar situation. They provide a
product that people want to buy, and there's nothing wrong with that.
But, of course, the more practical-minded find better values
elsewhere.
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Hadron Quark
Snit
AM:
> Yes - exactly. Form over function - one of Apples trademark philosophies.
>
> If it looks good - it must be good.
>
> If it costs more - it must be better.
>
> The feeble minded ALWAYS buy into that.
>
> 3% World Market Share shows it to be true.
You show no understanding of what people value in products - Apple's or
others. Interesting.
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Chris Ahlstrom
> http://venturebeat.com/2010/02/11/why-apples-design-approach-may-not-work
> -with-the-ipad/
>
> I could argue with a lot of it, but it actually engages with Apple at
> Apple's level, attempting to understand Apple's approach to design and
> to find the weaknesses of that approach.
>
> Of course this means it will largely be as incomprehensible to the
> iPad's geek critics as aesthetically-oriented praise of the iPad is.
*yawn*
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chrisv
ZnU must be masturbating daily, using pictures of the iPad as
inspiration.
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shortening of the much more commonly used "PCI Express".' - Hadron
Quark
Kid Carson
"Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
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I am clearly showing you what my values of products are. Function over form.
Value for the money.
This Dell desktop is almost five years old - it blows the doors off new
MBP,s with regularity.
Do you think I need a new one? This one won't give me an excuse.
Snit
AM:
>
> "Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
> news:C79AC443.64527%use...@gallopinginsanity.com...
>> Kid Carson stated in post 4Vddn.9036$4N4....@newsfe24.iad on 2/12/10 7:50
>> AM:
>>
>>> Yes - exactly. Form over function - one of Apples trademark
>>> philosophies.
>>>
>>> If it looks good - it must be good.
>>>
>>> If it costs more - it must be better.
>>>
>>> The feeble minded ALWAYS buy into that.
>>>
>>> 3% World Market Share shows it to be true.
>>
>> You show no understanding of what people value in products - Apple's or
>> others. Interesting.
>
> I am clearly showing you what my values of products are.
No: you made a claim about Apple's philosophy - one that showed you did not
understand their philosophy.
> Function over form.
> Value for the money.
Buy what you want - but for my needs, my iMac serves my needs better than
any other machine at a similar price. Its form, by the way, compliments its
function... and it is an excellent value for the money.
> This Dell desktop is almost five years old - it blows the doors off new
> MBP,s with regularity.
So you say.
> Do you think I need a new one? This one won't give me an excuse.
Fine. My wife's Mac is older than that. Who cares?
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Ezekiel
"Kid Carson" <Kcars...@verizon.com> wrote in message
news:8egdn.49108$zN4....@newsfe05.iad...
>
> "Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
> news:C79AC443.64527%use...@gallopinginsanity.com...
>> Kid Carson stated in post 4Vddn.9036$4N4....@newsfe24.iad on 2/12/10
>> 7:50
>> AM:
> This Dell desktop is almost five years old - it blows the doors off new
> MBP,s with regularity.
Sure it does. Perhaps you're brain hasn't improved over the ast 5 years but
processor and memory technology certainly has.
ZnU
"Kid Carson" <Kcars...@verizon.com> wrote:
You don't appear to have even tried to understand the article. As I
expected.
Kid Carson
"Ezekiel" <not-...@the-zeke.com> wrote in message
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Denial certainly does have a place.
ZnU
"Kid Carson" <Kcars...@verizon.com> wrote:
Haha. Are you actually bragging about your desktop being faster than a
newer laptop? That's unusually incoherent even for you.
Ezekiel
Feel free to deny that you're a lying sack of shit any place you want.
JEDIDIAH
Why PRECISELY should he care?
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"chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> ZnU must be masturbating daily, using pictures of the iPad as
> inspiration.
>
chrisv is a liar. chrisv is a piece of shit.
Ezekiel
"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
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Because *he* is the one who made the BS lie about how his 5 year-old Dell
desktop "blows the doors" off a new laptop. The *only* place this could be
true would be disk IO and that's because of the higher RPMs. Memory
bandwidth, CPU power, graphics, etc have come a long way in 5 years and
there is zero chance that a 5 year old desktop is going to "blow the doors
off" of a new laptop.
Get it now - or are you this slow that I need to draw you a picture?
chrisv
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Kid Carson
Ohhh - your neck veins are popping out. Be careful you don't stroke out.
Does widdle baby feel better? Why must the truth hurt so?
To reiterate; My five year old POS Dell, outperforms new MBP's. Every day
of the week. And ZERO problems.
Kid Carson
Widdle baby is angwey. Why must the truth be so distasteful, widdle baby?
Kid Carson
"ZnU" <z...@fake.invalid> wrote in message
> In article <8egdn.49108$zN4....@newsfe05.iad>,
> "Kid Carson" <Kcars...@verizon.com> wrote:
>
>> "Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
>> news:C79AC443.64527%use...@gallopinginsanity.com...
>> > Kid Carson stated in post 4Vddn.9036$4N4....@newsfe24.iad on 2/12/10
>> > 7:50
>> > AM:
>> >
>> >> Yes - exactly. Form over function - one of Apples trademark
>> >> philosophies.
>> >>
>> >> If it looks good - it must be good.
>> >>
>> >> If it costs more - it must be better.
>> >>
>> >> The feeble minded ALWAYS buy into that.
>> >>
>> >> 3% World Market Share shows it to be true.
>> >
>> > You show no understanding of what people value in products - Apple's or
>> > others. Interesting.
>>
>> I am clearly showing you what my values of products are. Function over
>> form.
>> Value for the money.
>>
>> This Dell desktop is almost five years old - it blows the doors off new
>> MBP,s with regularity.
>>
>> Do you think I need a new one? This one won't give me an excuse.
>
> Haha. Are you actually bragging about your desktop being faster than a
> newer laptop? That's unusually incoherent even for you.
No, not bragging. Only stating a fact. Macs have always been known as
slow, unreliable dogs, that are obsolete the day they are shipped.
Kid Carson
"ZnU" <z...@fake.invalid> wrote in message
I understand the fantasy that was being presented. The difference between
you and me, I discounted it and you embraced it, also I have more money and
am better looking.
ZnU
"Ezekiel" <not-...@the-zeke.com> wrote:
Well... it doesn't seem *entirely* impossible that, say, a 2x dual core
3 GHz Xeon system from 2005 might be faster than a 13" MacBook Pro. Of
course, you know, those processors listed for over $3K each, so that
would have probably been a $15K+ system.
Snit
PM:
So you say... but show no support for. Have any?
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Ezekiel
Don't let little things like *facts* get in the way of your BS.
Fact is that your 5 year old Dell is now a 5 year old dinosaur. All your
lying and BS won't change reality one bit. Other than netbooks - you'd have
to look long and hard to find a laptop that couldn't beat your little toy
computer.
ZnU
"Kid Carson" <Kcars...@verizon.com> wrote:
You're not even smart enough to understand that the article linked to
above is extremely *skeptical* of whether Apple's design philosophy will
work with the iPad -- and in fact provides a far more substantial
critique of Apple than you've ever managed.
Ezekiel
"ZnU" <z...@fake.invalid> wrote in message
Intel Xeon processors based on the Irwindale core were released in 2005. In
late 2005 the (Xeon MV 3.2 SL8T3 - product code NE80546QG0882MM ) which ran
at 3.2 Ghz with a 2-Meg cache specs in lower than a 13" Macbook Core-duo.
There *might* be some specific individual case where it compares with a new
Core-duo but it certainly does not "blow the doors off" a new CPU.
Kid Carson
Right. Outperforms new MBP's.
>All your lying and BS won't change reality one bit. Other than netbooks -
>you'd have to look long and hard to find a laptop that couldn't beat your
>little toy computer.
I'm running Win7 on it. It runs faster than XP, and a lot faster than Snow
Leopard on a new MBP.
But you can't run Snow Leopard on a five year old Mac. They're obsolete.
Kid Carson
BLOWS THE DOORS OFF THOSE SLOW MAC DOGS.
Kid Carson
Come to my house. Bring along a new MBP. After the demo we'll go boating
and drinking.
Kid Carson
"ZnU" <z...@fake.invalid> wrote in message
You're not even smart enough to recognize that your opinion is worthless.
In fact, you are worthless. I resent that you are using our precious
resources.
Snit
3:53 PM:
>>>> Haha. Are you actually bragging about your desktop being faster than a
>>>> newer laptop? That's unusually incoherent even for you.
>>>
>>> No, not bragging. Only stating a fact. Macs have always been known as
>>> slow, unreliable dogs, that are obsolete the day they are shipped.
>>>
>>>
>> So you say... but show no support for. Have any?
>
> Come to my house. Bring along a new MBP. After the demo we'll go boating
> and drinking.
As I said - no support. None at all.
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Ezekiel
Too bad. I was hoping you were somewhat intelligent and worth debating.
Instead I find a childish attention-seeking troll.
Buh-bye loser.
Kid Carson
Sometimes in life, things must be taken on faith.
Snit
PM:
And this is not one of those times.
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Steve de Mena
> Kid Carson wrote:
>
>> Yes - exactly. Form over function - one of Apples trademark philosophies.
>>
>> If it looks good - it must be good.
>>
>> If it costs more - it must be better.
>>
>> The feeble minded ALWAYS buy into that.
>
> they want... The people spend their money, and they're mostly happy.
>
> Harley-Davidson comes to mind as a similar situation. They provide a
> product that people want to buy, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Poor example. Harley-Davidson is circling the drain.
Steve
M0she_
My son just got a new MBP and you are full of shit.
The machine screams....
It's a very, very fast machine that the specs don't really tell
you the entire story.
I was very surprised myself in fact.
Snit
8:36 PM:
>>> Don't let little things like *facts* get in the way of your BS.
>>>
>>> Fact is that your 5 year old Dell is now a 5 year old dinosaur.
>>
>> Right. Outperforms new MBP's.
>>
>>> All your lying and BS won't change reality one bit. Other than netbooks -
>>> you'd have to look long and hard to find a laptop that couldn't beat your
>>> little toy computer.
>>
>> I'm running Win7 on it. It runs faster than XP, and a lot faster than Snow
>> Leopard on a new MBP.
>>
>> But you can't run Snow Leopard on a five year old Mac. They're obsolete.
>
> My son just got a new MBP and you are full of shit.
> The machine screams....
> It's a very, very fast machine that the specs don't really tell
> you the entire story.
> I was very surprised myself in fact.
Yes, there is a *lot* more to speed than what is shown in benchmarking.
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chrisv
> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> Well, there's nothing wrong with giving the people what they think they
>> want... The people spend their money, and they're mostly happy.
>>
>> Harley-Davidson comes to mind as a similar situation. They provide a
>> product that people want to buy, and there's nothing wrong with that.
>
> Poor example. Harley-Davidson is circling the drain.
Nonsense. They had a bad year, which is to be expected, when you're
selling luxury goods in the midst of the worst economic downturn in 80
years (thanks George). They'll be fine.
Steve de Mena
How has BMW done with their beamers the last 2-3 years in comparison?
Steve
chrisv
Cars aren't a pure luxury, like a Harley pretty-much is. Don't ask about
Ferrari, since their clientele is above the morass. Also, don't ask
about Godiva chocolates, because they're not a big expense.
Yes, believe it or not, but Harley is in kind of a unique market, and
it's stupid of you to look at one year, the last year, the worst-case
year, and conclude that they are "circling the drain".
Kid Carson
"M0she_" <goldee_l...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1acm4q64v07u7.sqsh8poww7rq$.dlg@40tude.net...
Compared against three MBP's here, my old POS Dell blows them out of the
water.
> The machine screams....
Only your opinion - no real world tests performed. Screams? Against what,
your old POS Mac? What did you expect?
> It's a very, very fast machine that the specs don't really tell
> you the entire story.
In your opinion.
> I was very surprised myself in fact.
Good for you. Maybe if you ran it against mine, you would be astounded.
Kid Carson
Exactly right. And that applies to my old POS Dell also. Now I want to see
you worm away from your statement.
Steve de Mena
Beamers are BMW motorcycles.
Bimmers are the cars.
Steve
High Plains Thumper
> Snit wrote...
>> M0she_ (flatfish) stated:
>>
>>> My son just got a new MBP and you are full of shit. The machine
>>> screams.... It's a very, very fast machine that the specs don't
>>> really tell you the entire story. I was very surprised myself in
>>> fact.
>>
>> Yes, there is a *lot* more to speed than what is shown in
>> benchmarking.
>
> Exactly right. And that applies to my old POS Dell also. Now I want
> to see you worm away from your statement.
Worm away as in?
Snit: "And, yes, I know the facts will go over your head. You are an
insane moron... and you have nothing of value to say. Here: you will
prove it with your response and I will merely note you did so. 100%
predictable."
cc: "What facts? The fact that you don't know what a hypothetical
situation is? The fact that you can't answer any questions? The fact
that you continue to run away when faced with simple questions? I am
100% predictable to you because you simply cannot understand what has
been placed in front of you. It's all just a jumble of words to your
pea-sized brain, and therefore it always looks the same." 15 Nov 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f6ce4429806e9de6
Snit: "Do you realize how clear it is your whole goal is just to get the
last word?"
cc: "Now that's hilarious!" .... "You are incapable of letting anything
go. In fact, I guarantee you will respond to this post in under 3 hours.
Hell, I'd be surprised if it takes longer than 30 minutes. If I really
wanted to, I could make this little side topic go on forever, because
you are a complete moron who just has to respond to anything written
about or to you, even if it just means repeating yourself." 1 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/3712090033411605
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HPT
Snit
AM:
You made a claim you cannot support. Why would I need to "worm away" from
that?
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chrisv
>> Steve de Mena wrote:
>>>
>>> How has BMW done with their beamers the last 2-3 years in comparison?
>
> Beamers are BMW motorcycles.
OK, give us the facts (with link, please) regarding BMW's motorcycle
sales and profits, and compare them to Harley's, for the last 2-3 years.
Steve de Mena
"Harley Davidson needs to tear a page from BMW Motorcycle's play book.
BMW has as hide bound and traditional customer base as Harley ever
had, but rather than contracting their product line as Harley just did
by closing their Buell brand of sport bikes and offeringMV Agusta for
sale, BMW did the exact opposite. BMW has offered new models in
several non traditional market segments such as off road and
superbike. The result was a 2008 sales record and gain in market
share, and perhaps the smallest decline in sales of any major
motorcycle producer for 2009. In short broadening their appeal kept
their sales numbers up, and the firm is profitable. Sure some BMW
traditionalists sniff and turn their noses up at the new products.
Silly behavior as BMW still build a traditional bike for them. Harley,
by comparison ditched every model that does not fit their core, but
narrow, idea of what constitutes a "real Harley". Even on the few
occasions that Harley has built a credible bike in a non traditional
market segment, they fail to attract the new customers who would buy
these bikes. Their traditional customer, for example, would never
consider the Street Rod, built for only two years, but HD never
reached out to the sort of rider who would buy it, thus it failed to
sell. Great bike ( I have one ) but lousy marketing, yet HD is still
held up as an example in business schools everywhere."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2010/01/harley-davidson-revenue-forty-eight.html
Steve
Kid Carson
"chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:AoKdnRrEiPaCLuvW...@giganews.com...
How can an imbecile like you make a judgment as to who is stupid? You
really are a pathetic sub human.
Kid Carson
Come on down. See for yourself.
Kid Carson
To reiterate; come on down.
Chance Furlong
"Kid Carson" <Kcars...@verizon.com> wrote:
> To reiterate: come on down.
And you tell Steve Ballmer to "come on in" when you have "meetings" with
him.
Chance Furlong
"Kid Carson" <Kcars...@verizon.com> wrote:
> "Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
> news:C79C1F51.64983%use...@gallopinginsanity.com...
> > You made a claim you cannot support. Why would I need to "worm away" from that?
>
> Come on down. See for yourself.
I see you and Snit are "begging" for attention from each other.
High Plains Thumper
> Kid Carson wrote:
>> Snit wrote...
>
>>> away" from that?
>>
>> Come on down. See for yourself.
>
> I see you and Snit are "begging" for attention from each other.
Trolling in CSMA is down because Snit now spends most of his time
begging for attention in COLA, socks included.
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Snit
4:01 PM:
You have a creative imagination.
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Chance Furlong
What is surprising is that Snit and zara are trolling each other.
Chance Furlong
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
High Plains Thumper is speaking the truth about your lame assed self and
zara.
Kid Carson
"Chance Furlong" <T-B...@megakatcity.com> wrote in message
news:T-Bone-C848FC....@news.giganews.com...
I see you and your mother are begging for the fireman's hat.
Kid Carson
And I tell your mother, "I'M CUMMING"!
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> Trolling in CSMA is down because Snit now spends most of his time
>> begging for attention in COLA, socks included.
>
> What is surprising is that Snit and zara are trolling each other.
Well, both of them have the same emotional maturity of a toddler.
--
HPT
Kid Carson
"High Plains Thumper" <h...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:hl7eic$qji$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
You must be desperate. To align yourself with a freak like
Jimmy.......................!?
RonB
> "Harley Davidson needs to tear a page from BMW Motorcycle's play book.
> BMW has as hide bound and traditional customer base as Harley ever had,
> but rather than contracting their product line as Harley just did by
> closing their Buell brand of sport bikes and offeringMV Agusta for sale,
> BMW did the exact opposite. BMW has offered new models in several non
> traditional market segments such as off road and superbike. The result
> was a 2008 sales record and gain in market share, and perhaps the
> smallest decline in sales of any major motorcycle producer for 2009. In
> short broadening their appeal kept their sales numbers up, and the firm
> is profitable. Sure some BMW traditionalists sniff and turn their noses
> up at the new products. Silly behavior as BMW still build a traditional
> bike for them. Harley, by comparison ditched every model that does not
> fit their core, but narrow, idea of what constitutes a "real Harley".
> Even on the few occasions that Harley has built a credible bike in a non
> traditional market segment, they fail to attract the new customers who
> would buy these bikes. Their traditional customer, for example, would
> never consider the Street Rod, built for only two years, but HD never
> reached out to the sort of rider who would buy it, thus it failed to
> sell. Great bike ( I have one ) but lousy marketing, yet HD is still
> held up as an example in business schools everywhere."
>
> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2010/01/harley-davidson-revenue-
forty-eight.html
Unlike BMW, Harley-Davidson didn't have nice government subsidies to get
it through the rough spot. Harley still has about half of the US market in
heavyweight bikes and about a third of the world market. They must have
been doing something right. And this quarter is the first one in 16 years
that Harley had an operating loss.
--
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Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.4 or Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper wrote...
>> Chance Furlong wrote:
>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>
>>>> Trolling in CSMA is down because Snit now spends most of his
>>>> time begging for attention in COLA, socks included.
>>>
>>> What is surprising is that Snit and zara are trolling each other.
>>
>> Well, both of them have the same emotional maturity of a toddler.
>
> You must be desperate. To align yourself with a freak like
> Jimmy.......................!?
Hello Zara.
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HPT
Ezekiel
"High Plains Thumper" <h...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> Hello Zara.
Zara wasn't stupid enough so it was retired. The new model "Kid Carson" with
the enhanced stupidity module is the replacement troll.
High Plains Thumper
> Snit wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper stated:
>>> Chance Furlong wrote:
>>>> Kid Carson wrote:
>>>>> Snit wrote...
>>>>
>>>>>> You made a claim you cannot support. Why would I need to "worm
>>>>>> away" from that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Come on down. See for yourself.
>>>>
>>>> I see you and Snit are "begging" for attention from each other.
>>>
>>> Trolling in CSMA is down because Snit now spends most of his time
>>> begging for attention in COLA, socks included.
>>
>> You have a creative imagination.
>
> High Plains Thumper is speaking the truth about your lame assed self and
> zara.
Speaking of lame, here is Snit in action in COLA:
Snit: "Do you realize how clear it is your whole goal is just to get the
last word?"
cc: "Now that's hilarious!" .... "You are incapable of letting anything
go. In fact, I guarantee you will respond to this post in under 3 hours.
Hell, I'd be surprised if it takes longer than 30 minutes. If I really
wanted to, I could make this little side topic go on forever, because you
are a complete moron who just has to respond to anything written about or
to you, even if it just means repeating yourself." 1 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/3712090033411605
Yes, Snit is purely begging for attention.
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High Plains Thumper
> Steve de Mena wrote:
>
>> but narrow, idea of what constitutes a "real Harley". Even on the few
>> occasions that Harley has built a credible bike in a non traditional
>> market segment, they fail to attract the new customers who would buy
>> these bikes. Their traditional customer, for example, would never
>> consider the Street Rod, built for only two years, but HD never reached
>> out to the sort of rider who would buy it, thus it failed to sell.
>> Great bike ( I have one ) but lousy marketing, yet HD is still held up
>> as an example in business schools everywhere."
>>
>> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2010/01/harley-davidson-revenue-forty-eight.html
>
> Unlike BMW, Harley-Davidson didn't have nice government subsidies to get
> it through the rough spot. Harley still has about half of the US market
> in heavyweight bikes and about a third of the world market. They must
> have been doing something right. And this quarter is the first one in 16
> years that Harley had an operating loss.
Harley recognizes their nick in the market, as do the other motorcycle
manufacturers. Use of a Porche designed engine in the V-Rod is a hook
into the future, as the governments continue to clamp further down on
emission control standards for larger displacement motorcycles.
Both BMW and Harley appeal to certain customers, IMHO where oil and
vinegar meet but do not mix. Similar to customers of Hondas, Suzukis,
Yamahas, Ducatti's, and etc.
Suzuki is testing the waters with their latest small bike, the TU-250. It
appears to use the engine of the GZ-250 but is fuel injected, has the look
of the UJMC of the '70s and '80s. For someone who wants a bike to go back
and forth to work, to college, doesn't have a need to ride on a super
highway, it appears to be the ideal truck. I kind of like the looks.
Their Gladius 650 cc twin naked bike also has a certain amount of sex
appeal, appears to be a competitor to the Italian offerings.
And last but not least, there is a Linux motorcycle in the off'ing to
those who can afford:
[quote]
130 mph Linux Motorcycle
Nov 09, 2009
It's big, black, fast, and appeals to Linux and motorcycle enthusiasts
alike: the new E-motorcycle TTX02 from Mavizen. Motorbike with Linux
The limited edition Mavizen TTX02 with Linux board-computer.
Whoever thought ''electro-motorcycles'' were heavy, slow, and probably
ugly, never heard of Mavizen. The English company leads the field in
carbon-free motorcycles and in Las Vegas last week unveiled its top of the
range model for the 2010 racing season.
The TTX02 is the first electro racing bike with board-computer, USB, and
IP address, enabling monitoring and tuning via integrated WLAN. At the
heart of the 130 mph racing machine is a Linux system. The company has a
limited number of TTX02 on offer: 50 units are available at around
US$40,000 each. (Marcel Hilzinger)
[/quote]
http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/130-mph-Linux-Motorcycle
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M0she_
So which rider has the biggest cock and which one has the smallest
cock, George Hostler?
BMW or Harley?
Suzuki or Mavizen?
I'm sure you have extrapolated your EXTENZive study on cock size
vs motorcycle size to include those brands.
Maybe you could sell your data to this company so they can use for
targeted marketing?
S'mee
> The TTX02 is the first electro racing bike with board-computer, USB, and
> IP address, enabling monitoring and tuning via integrated WLAN. At the
> heart of the 130 mph racing machine is a Linux system. The company has a
> limited number of TTX02 on offer: 50 units are available at around
> US$40,000 each. (Marcel Hilzinger)
> [/quote]
>
> http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/130-mph-Linux-Motorcycle
>
That's nice...but these guys are BETTER. 8^) Doesn't hurt a buddy
works for them both in design AND test riding.
http://ridemission.com/mission-one-superbike/the-bike/
Snit
on 2/14/10 1:39 PM:
The main comment you quoted, as you note, is from cc.
As far as Rick focusing on getting the last word in, look at how much he
brings it up. It is clearly something that is important to him. And to
you.
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High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
> for them both in design AND test riding.
> http://ridemission.com/mission-one-superbike/the-bike/
Actually, it was the 4th picture that caught my eye, a real cutey. 8^)
http://ridemission.com/m/images/model_page/features/features.jpg
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M0she_
> Actually, it was the 4th picture that caught my eye, a real cutey. 8^)
>
> http://ridemission.com/m/images/model_page/features/features.jpg
The bike or the lady?
chrisv
> How
*plonk*
Chance Furlong
chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Kid Carson wrote:
>
> > How
>
> *Plonk*
*Plonk*
S'mee
The bike you faggot...who let the bimbo in and then didn't shoo her
off the bike ought to be fired.
chrisv
> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> OK, give us the facts (with link, please) regarding BMW's motorcycle
>> sales and profits, and compare them to Harley's, for the last 2-3
>> years.
I see that you were not able to produce the financial details that I
requested, and merely quoted some blogger who thinks he knows how to run
Harley better than it's quite-successful executive team.
Good for BMW that they have successfully broadened their line and done
well. Harley is in a different position - they have a lot of riders who
love their products, but those riders seem to only want the one type of
product. Harley's smart-enough to know that they cannot win, going head-
to-head with the more mainstream manufacturers. Business is about making
money, not making a point.
The fact that Harley, with their very expensive luxury products, have not
done as well through the worst economy in 80 years as "some other
company" is not evidence of them "circling the drain". Most companies
have a losing year, from time to time, and survive (or flourish), you
know.
Your statement was foolish, and your illogical attempt to make a case for
it only shows how foolish you are.
(Any response will be deleted, unread. You have nothing but "one or two
bad years (not their fault), after 20 amazing years".)
chrisv
> Their Gladius 650 cc twin naked bike also has a certain amount of sex
> appeal, appears to be a competitor to the Italian offerings.
Appears to be a girl's bike, to me. 8)
Although a male friend of mine bought one...
One Shot, One Kill
"chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:AsqdnQ8DUMIGH-XW...@giganews.com...
chrisv is a liar. chrisv is a piece of shit.
High Plains Thumper
> M0she_ (flatfish) wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, it was the 4th picture that caught my eye, a real
>>> cutey. 8^)
>>> http://ridemission.com/m/images/model_page/features/features.jpg
>>
>> The bike or the lady?
>
> The bike you faggot...who let the bimbo in and then didn't shoo her
> off the bike ought to be fired.
That's flatfish for you. Frankly, I was looking at the picture and knew
that there was a motorcycle somewhere in there.
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The Wearin' o' the Green
> And last but not least, there is a Linux motorcycle in the off'ing to
> those who can afford:
>
> 130 mph Linux Motorcycle
> Nov 09, 2009
>
> It's big, black, fast, and appeals to Linux and motorcycle enthusiasts
> alike: the new E-motorcycle TTX02 from Mavizen. Motorbike with Linux
>
> The limited edition Mavizen TTX02 with Linux board-computer.
Will it have an IP address?
SQ
S'mee
lol...obviously you are just upset that your amiga sucks compared to
any microsoft product (dissallowing 3.1) or any apple app...though I
think they are the Ford of computing. Fine for sum but shit imho.
AZ Nomad
JFGI
M0she_
Frankly?
hahahhaha!
High Plains Thumper
> One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>
>> chrisv is a liar. chrisv is a piece of shit.
>
> lol...obviously you are just upset that your amiga sucks compared to
> any microsoft product (dissallowing 3.1) or any apple app...though I
> think they are the Ford of computing. Fine for sum but shit imho.
Seeing that OSOK (AIOE) is another flatfish sock, along with M0she_,
Moshe Goldfarb, Erin Mungan, John Furher, Hans Lister, Doctor Smith,
Gary M. Stewart, Sandeep Kumar, and ad nauseum.
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Chris Ahlstrom
http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/
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A: None. The Universe spins the bulb, and the Zen master stays out
of the way.
Bob Myers
It's an SV650 with more plastic cladding and a new name.
Haven't ridden one, yet, but everything that applied to last
year's SV seems to still be true for the Gladius.
Bob M.
Steve Carroll
> High Plains Thumper stated in post hl9n2v$v4...@news.eternal-september.org
>
> > Yes, Snit is purely begging for attention.
>
> The main comment you quoted, as you note, is from cc.
>
> As far as Rick focusing on getting the last word in, look at how much he
> brings it up. It is clearly something that is important to him. And to
> you.
Said the hypocrite who once claimed that it 'seemed' I had "won an
argument simply based on outlasting your opposition".
Snit:
"Well, Steve, seems you won an argument simply based on outlasting
your opposition.
Are you proud?"
My reply:
"This shows that you feel outlasting an opponent is to be considered a
'win'. As it is something for which I have contended for you for a
long
time now... and something you ran from at every corner, I can now
sincerely say: Thanks, you moron:)"
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/760b7d9bae320bd9?hl=en&dmode=source
High Plains Thumper
> Snit wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper stated:
>>
>>>
>>> Snit: "Do you realize how clear it is your whole goal is just to
>>> get the last word?"
>>>
>>> cc: "Now that's hilarious!" .... "You are incapable of letting
>>> anything go. In fact, I guarantee you will respond to this post
>>> in under 3 hours. Hell, I'd be surprised if it takes longer than
>>> 30 minutes. If I really wanted to, I could make this little side
>>> topic go on forever, because you are a complete moron who just
>>> has to respond to anything written about or to you, even if it
>>> just means repeating yourself." 1 Feb 2010
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, Snit is purely begging for attention.
>>
>> The main comment you quoted, as you note, is from cc.
>>
>> As far as Rick focusing on getting the last word in, look at how
>> much he brings it up. It is clearly something that is important to
>> him. And to you.
>
> Said the hypocrite who once claimed that it 'seemed' I had "won an
> argument simply based on outlasting your opposition".
>
> Snit: "Well, Steve, seems you won an argument simply based on
> outlasting your opposition. Are you proud?"
>
> My reply: "This shows that you feel outlasting an opponent is to be
> considered a 'win'. As it is something for which I have contended for
> you for a long time now... and something you ran from at every
> corner, I can now sincerely say: Thanks, you moron:)"
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/760b7d9bae320bd9
134- thanatoid: "Is business/personal life/etc. SO bad that you had to
create Snit? I really thought higher of you until Snit came in here, in
fact I find your site very nice and wish there was a shop like yours
where I live (well, I /think/...) Or is Snit really just someone whose
HD you accidentally wiped? Either way, it seems to have created a lot
of, for lack of a better word, unpleasantness - just from looking at
today's headers." 02 Jul 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/msg/1c43a7415c97bfa1
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