Google adds the ability to automatically store & manage device backups through Google One (via subscription)

[Arlen Holder]

"Google said it would be offering Android users (with a subscription to
the company's Google One cloud subscription plan) the ability to
automatically store and manage device backups through the Google One app.
While Android currently offers users the ability to backup and restore old
text messages, contacts and apps, users will now be able to also restore
multimedia messages (MMS), original quality photos and videos."

<https://www.forbes.com/sites/johanmoreno/2019/09/15/in-midst-of-apples-new-iphone-announcement-google-fixes-one-of-androids-biggest-problems/#35bd52741a51>

[Arlen Holder]

On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 13:51:55 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

> Google One app

Can someone who cares about backups let us know how well this new feature
works for you - where I've been doing all my full backups to Linux (for
iOS) and to Windows 10 (for Android) over USB and WiFi.

Apparently the new automatic full backup will restore an existing phone
o And it will apparently fully populate a brand new Android phone

"To begin with the new experience, all you need is to subscribe to the
Google One membership and install the Google One app on your Android
device. The app has the Device Backup option that you need to turn on to
begin automatic phone backups."

"The new feature is notably available to all Google One members in the
subscription. This means if you have other family members in your
subscription, they'll also be able to avail the automatic phone backup on
their devices."

"Google One comes with the ability to share your storage with up to
five family members and each Google One plan can be used for storing
content from Gmail and Google Photos in addition to a regular cloud storage
access for storing usual stuff, such as documents, photos, and videos"

Personally, I do my own backups on both iOS (using Linux) & Android (using
Windows). Backing up all my data on Android is trivial compared to iOS,
which is why I use Linux for iOS, since Apple restricts what you can back
up on Windows without using the iTunes abomination, which even Apple (thank
God) finally deprecated recently.

The problem with the iOS cloud backup is that the free storage is
infitesimally puny (only 5GB of basic storage - where you have to play all
sorts of silly games to get more than that which most people don't bother
with since it's more complicated than it needs to be for something so
simple).

The problem is similar, just not as bad, with Google cloud backup since you
get three times the free basic storage with a Google Account on your
Android phone.

While Apple FORCES you to have an account (where they tag every app you
download with that account - even free apps - and where Apple forces you to
have an advertiser ID, etc.), at least Android phones work perfectly fine
sans a Google Account (where apps aren't tagged - and there is no
advertiser ID, etc.).

Given I don't have a Google account on any of my Android phones, I'll never
test out this new supposedly "automatic" full backup.

But many others DO have a Google account - and they might want to test out
this reputedly new full automatic backup feature on Android phones.

Here are some references:
o Back up or restore data on your Android device
<https://support.google.com/android/answer/2819582>

o Manage & restore your device backups in Google Drive
<https://support.google.com/drive/answer/6305834?co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid>

o XDA: Google One can now backup and restore your photos, videos, and MMS
<https://www.xda-developers.com/google-one-backup-restore-photos-videos-mms/>

o AndroidPolice: Google One subscribers receiving automatic Android backup with broad content support
<https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/09/13/google-one-android-backup/>

o BeeBom: Google One Now Has Automatic Phone Backups for Android
<https://beebom.com/google-one-automatic-phone-backups-android/>

o BGR: Google One now supports automatic backup for Android smartphones
<https://www.bgr.in/news/google-one-now-supports-automatic-backup-for-android-smartphones/>

o MEMEBurn: You can now back up your Android phone from the Google One app
<https://memeburn.com/2019/09/google-one-android-backups/>

Apparently:
o You use the "Google One" cloud storage service
o You need the "Google One" app running on Android
o The backup will be "full" & "automatic"

While you already get 15GB of free "Google Cloud" storage,
that's puny compared to the storage on modern cellphones,
where Google One provides between 100GB & 3TB of cloud storage.

Can someone who cares about backups let us know how well this new feature
works to automatically back up and restore an old phone back to an old
phone or to a brand new phone?

[Carlos E.R.]

On 16/09/2019 18.58, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 13:51:55 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:
>
>> Google One app
>
> Can someone who cares about backups let us know how well this new feature
> works for you - where I've been doing all my full backups to Linux (for
> iOS) and to Windows 10 (for Android) over USB and WiFi.

This is not related at all to Linux or Windows. Please drop those groups
from the thread.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Arlen Holder]

On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 19:10:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> This is not related at all to Linux or Windows. Please drop those groups
> from the thread.

Hi Carlos,

This topic _is_ very tightly related to Linux _and_ Windows, in that the
_only_ way to back up and restore all of your iOS data without using the
iTunes abomination (which even Apple deprecated) or the ridiculously puny
iCloud free storage (which doesn't handle all your data), is to use Linux
(Windows does NOT have the required drivers, AFAIK).

I repeat: Windows does NOT have the required drivers; only Linux does.

And, while Linux will work to back up Android, almost anything will work to
back up Android, where Windows works just fine sans any proprietary
software abomination, using standard MTP over USB (or FTP over NetBIOS).

I repeat: Windows handles full Android backup & restore over USB or WiFi.

However, it's fair enough to say that all Windows users and all Linux users
likely already know how to fully back up and restore their Android devices
to either Windows or Linux.

While the necessary drives to read the entire visible file system on iOS
are native on Linux (at least on Ubuntu they are), almost nobody knows how
to to WRITE BACK to the iOS file system from Linux, to restore the backup.

Nonetheless, this is my last post to the linux & iOS newsgroup on this
thread, in keeping with your stated wishes.

F'up set to comp.mobile.android as per your wishes.

[Lloyd Parsons]

Arlen Holder <arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 19:10:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> This is not related at all to Linux or Windows. Please drop those groups
>> from the thread.
>
> Hi Carlos,
>
> This topic _is_ very tightly related to Linux _and_ Windows, in that the
> _only_ way to back up and restore all of your iOS data without using the
> iTunes abomination (which even Apple deprecated) or the ridiculously puny
> iCloud free storage (which doesn't handle all your data), is to use Linux
> (Windows does NOT have the required drivers, AFAIK).
>

No dilbert dumbass, iTunes is not required to backup an iPhone/ipad. I
don’t even run iTunes and do it just fine.


--
Lloyd

[Arlen Holder]

On 16 Sep 2019 18:58:54 GMT, Lloyd Parsons wrote:

> No dilbert dumbass, iTunes is not required to backup an iPhone/ipad. I
> don't even run iTunes and do it just fine.

Hehhehheh...
You gotta love the imaginary functionality apologists constantly claim!

Tell us Lloyd Parsons (aka Elfin), how you back up all your iOS app IPAs
and all your personal data to your desktop drives - and restore it - back
to the iOS device from your desktop drives, using only your iOS device
connected to your desktop (i.e., no cloud storage) over USB.

Without using the iTunes abomination (which even Apple deprecated).

[Lloyd Parsons]

I suppose there are those luddites that insist on doing things the hard
way. I’m not one. My iphone/iPads are backed up to iCloud. It just makes
things so much simpler. Get new phone/pad or just start one from scratch,
get from iCloud. Nothing could be simpler.

It is nice to hear Google is finally catching up with their cloud backup
solution.


--
Lloyd

[nospam]

In article <gua5e7...@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd Parsons

<lloy...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> No dilbert dumbass, iTunes is not required to backup an iPhone/ipad. I
> >> don't even run iTunes and do it just fine.
> >
> > Hehhehheh...
> > You gotta love the imaginary functionality apologists constantly claim!
> >
> > Tell us Lloyd Parsons (aka Elfin), how you back up all your iOS app IPAs
> > and all your personal data to your desktop drives - and restore it - back
> > to the iOS device from your desktop drives, using only your iOS device
> > connected to your desktop (i.e., no cloud storage) over USB.
> >
> > Without using the iTunes abomination (which even Apple deprecated).
> >
> I suppose there are those luddites that insist on doing things the hard

> way. I雋 not one. My iphone/iPads are backed up to iCloud. It just makes

> things so much simpler. Get new phone/pad or just start one from scratch,
> get from iCloud. Nothing could be simpler.

even easier, directly migrate from an old iphone to a new iphone with
just a cable. no need for the cloud or a computer.

> It is nice to hear Google is finally catching up with their cloud backup
> solution.

yep.

[Lloyd Parsons]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <gua5e7...@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd Parsons
> <lloy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> No dilbert dumbass, iTunes is not required to backup an iPhone/ipad. I
>>>> don't even run iTunes and do it just fine.
>>>
>>> Hehhehheh...
>>> You gotta love the imaginary functionality apologists constantly claim!
>>>
>>> Tell us Lloyd Parsons (aka Elfin), how you back up all your iOS app IPAs
>>> and all your personal data to your desktop drives - and restore it - back
>>> to the iOS device from your desktop drives, using only your iOS device
>>> connected to your desktop (i.e., no cloud storage) over USB.
>>>
>>> Without using the iTunes abomination (which even Apple deprecated).
>>>
>> I suppose there are those luddites that insist on doing things the hard

>> way. I¹m not one. My iphone/iPads are backed up to iCloud. It just makes

>> things so much simpler. Get new phone/pad or just start one from scratch,
>> get from iCloud. Nothing could be simpler.
>
> even easier, directly migrate from an old iphone to a new iphone with
> just a cable. no need for the cloud or a computer.
>

Hadn’t thought of that since using iCloud is so easy.

>> It is nice to hear Google is finally catching up with their cloud backup
>> solution.
>
> yep.
>

--
Lloyd

[nospam]

In article <gua749...@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd Parsons

<lloy...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>>
> >> I suppose there are those luddites that insist on doing things the hard

> >> way. I1m not one. My iphone/iPads are backed up to iCloud. It just makes

> >> things so much simpler. Get new phone/pad or just start one from scratch,
> >> get from iCloud. Nothing could be simpler.
> >
> > even easier, directly migrate from an old iphone to a new iphone with
> > just a cable. no need for the cloud or a computer.
> >

> Hadnšt thought of that since using iCloud is so easy.

it is, however, for migrating old to new, a direct connection is even
easier and much faster, plus some people don't want to use the cloud at
all.

[Carlos E.R.]

On 16/09/2019 20.33, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 19:10:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> This is not related at all to Linux or Windows. Please drop those groups
>> from the thread.
>
> Hi Carlos,
>
> This topic _is_ very tightly related to Linux _and_ Windows, in that the
> _only_ way to back up and restore all of your iOS data without using the
> iTunes abomination (which even Apple deprecated) or the ridiculously puny
> iCloud free storage (which doesn't handle all your data), is to use Linux
> (Windows does NOT have the required drivers, AFAIK).

No. You are asking about Google One backup (it is in the subject line),
not about backups done using Linux or Windows.

So this is OT on Linux or Windows groups.

Backing iOS (or not) in any manner is also OT.

>
> I repeat: Windows does NOT have the required drivers; only Linux does.
>
> And, while Linux will work to back up Android, almost anything will work to
> back up Android, where Windows works just fine sans any proprietary
> software abomination, using standard MTP over USB (or FTP over NetBIOS).
>
> I repeat: Windows handles full Android backup & restore over USB or WiFi.
>
> However, it's fair enough to say that all Windows users and all Linux users
> likely already know how to fully back up and restore their Android devices
> to either Windows or Linux.
>
> While the necessary drives to read the entire visible file system on iOS
> are native on Linux (at least on Ubuntu they are), almost nobody knows how
> to to WRITE BACK to the iOS file system from Linux, to restore the backup.
>
> Nonetheless, this is my last post to the linux & iOS newsgroup on this
> thread, in keeping with your stated wishes.
>
> F'up set to comp.mobile.android as per your wishes.

Thanks.

>


--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Arlen Holder]

On 16 Sep 2019 19:46:17 GMT, Lloyd Parsons wrote:

>> even easier, directly migrate from an old iphone to a new iphone with
>> just a cable. no need for the cloud or a computer.
>>

> Hadn’t thought of that since using iCloud is so easy.

Hi Lloyd, aka Elfin,

Let's not forget I own both Android & iOS, so I know Apologists bullshit.
o What I love is the imaginary functionality apologists love to claim.

For example, take this common scenario I handle all the time on Android:
o Your old iOS device has apps (or versions) no longer on the App Store.
o And you don't have a backup of those apps on your system or in the cloud.

Android:
o It's_trivial_ to just copy those already-installed APKs to the new phone.

iOS:
o You're dead.

All the apologists' bullshit in the world won't get your IPAs copied over.

[Lloyd Parsons]

Arlen Holder <arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:
> On 16 Sep 2019 19:46:17 GMT, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
>>> even easier, directly migrate from an old iphone to a new iphone with
>>> just a cable. no need for the cloud or a computer.
>>>
>> Hadn’t thought of that since using iCloud is so easy.
>
> Hi Lloyd, aka Elfin,
>
> Let's not forget I own both Android & iOS, so I know Apologists bullshit.

So? You think you are the only one? While iOS devices are my usual
goto’s, I have a few Android tablets and a Moto Z3 phone w/Android 9.

> o What I love is the imaginary functionality apologists love to claim.
>

No what you love is trolling. You are pretty good at it but really suck
otherwise.

> For example, take this common scenario I handle all the time on Android:
> o Your old iOS device has apps (or versions) no longer on the App Store.
> o And you don't have a backup of those apps on your system or in the cloud.
>

Never been an issue for me. I have the apps I need/want and they are all
current versions. Just no need for the slew of old outdated apps that get
almost no use. Why would you want to use old apps or versions no longer
supported?

> Android:
> o It's_trivial_ to just copy those already-installed APKs to the new phone.
>

I suppose. Don’t copy old APKs for the same reason I don’t use old
non-supported apps on iOS. One exception is the Nook app on my Likebook
Mars. The current version just won’t run so I sideload an old APK which
works. Unfortunately for me the Mars was a last attempt to get a good
general Android tablet with e-ink that didn’t suck. The Mars, like
everyone I’ve tried in the past is sluggish as hell and battery life isn’t
all that good. Back to reading on my iPad Mini.

> iOS:
> o You're dead.
>
> All the apologists' bullshit in the world won't get your IPAs copied over.
>

--
Lloyd

[Arlen Holder]

On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 22:01:34 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> So this is OT on Linux or Windows groups.

Hi Carlos,

Let's try to move the ball forward for all Android users, shall we?

It's fair to say that almost all Windows & Linux Android users already know
how to fully and completely back up (and restore) their Android devices
to/from their desktops, over USB or NetBIOS, without putting a single bit
of their private data "on the net".

That includes encrypted passwords, private calendar data, personal contact
information, encrypted file containers, etc.

It's less fair to say that almost all Windows & Linux iOS users know how to
accomplish the same task - but - it's fair to say that this thread is not
about iOS - but about Android backup - and hence - that fact isn't all that
important to those Windows & Linux users for the purpose of this thread.

What IS important, for the purpose of this thread, is that MANY users may
wish to use this new Google claimed capability to test bidirectional backup
and restore (to the same or to new devices), which was only released
recently (AFAIK).

Given I don't ever purposefully store my personal data on the net, I am
simply asking OTHERS to test this out and report back for the team.

You can continue to waste our time incessantly NOT doing that - where all I
ask of you, Carlos, is to pitch in to ADD VALUE to the NEW CAPABILITY we
reputedly have.

To Carlos and anyone else reading this who is interested in a full and
complete automatic backup/restore solution on Android - all I am asking of
you is for you to TEST out this reputed new capability ...
o And report back your results to the team so we all benefit from you!

Posting & f'up set, as Carlos' suggested, to c.m.a (as I had promised).

[Arlen Holder]

On 16 Sep 2019 20:17:10 GMT, Lloyd Parsons wrote:

> No what you love is trolling. You are pretty good at it but really suck
> otherwise.

Hi Lloyd,

Hehheh...
o Apologists constantly claim imaginary functionality that doesn't exist.

FACT:
o It's_trivial_ to copy over those already-installed free apps on Android.
o All the apologists' bullshit in the world won't get those iOS apps copied over.

[Arlen Holder]

On 16 Sep 2019 19:17:27 GMT, Lloyd Parsons wrote:

> I suppose there are those luddites that insist on doing things the hard
> way.

Hi Lloyd,

Rest assured I am fully aware Apologists make up imaginary functionality.

Bear in mind I own and have owned both Android & iOS for quite some time.
o You Apologists _love_ to claim all sorts of imaginary iOS functionality.

And yet, you Apologists always fail the simplest of adult tests
o Name just one.

> My iphone/iPads are backed up to iCloud. It just makes
> things so much simpler. Get new phone/pad or just start one from scratch,
> get from iCloud. Nothing could be simpler.

Hehhehheh...

Rest assured Lloyd, I know you Apologists quite well.

o Do people of reasonable technical ability store their private data on the Internet (if so, for what gain?)
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/mBIZ-8jGdmk/aLDJkSJQAAAJ>

Basically, you apologists can't conceive of a backup/restore method that
isn't handed to you by Apple Marketing - where you do EXACTLY what Apple
Marketing tells you to do.

> It is nice to hear Google is finally catching up with their cloud backup
> solution.

This is the first adult statement you've made in this thread Lloyd (Elfin).

I agree with your logical assessment that it's nice that Google is
"attempting" to provide what Apple has "claimed" they provide (where, we
need to note the laughably puny amount of "free cloud storage" Apple
offers).

To be fair, even with Google's "free cloud storage" being thrice the
baseline for Apple, neither is enough to back up the entire device (given
the huge amount of native storage on devices nowadays).

That's why I asked Android users to TEST out Google's claims, because
Google's claims, for all we know, may be as bogus as Apple's claims are.

[nospam]

In article <qloq61$1rq$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:

> Android:
> o It's_trivial_ to just copy those already-installed APKs to the new phone.
>
> iOS:
> o You're dead.

*you* might be dead, only because you refuse to accept just how easy it
is.

[Arlen Holder]

On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 16:44:11 -0400, nospam wrote:

> *you* might be dead, only because you refuse to accept just how easy it
> is.

Hehheh...

You Apologists think nothing of claiming imaginary iOS functionality.

Worse, you feel no remorse whatsover in sadistically consistently sending
myriad innocent iOS folks on futile wild-goose chases all the time.

o Why do the Apple Apologists constantly send poor unsuspecting iOS users on wild goose chases?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ynh0PE9lK_I/QOiGP4_SFQAJ>

*** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
Here they go again... this time, nospam & Jolly send badgolferman on their
classic wild-goose chase.
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/MiZixhidmOs/_HLXMeLBFQAJ>

Both nospam & Jolly Roger habitually send folks on these wild-goose chases.

Over the years, there have been umpteen times that the two premier
Apologist ignorati, nospam & Jolly Roger, have led decent people on
fabricated wild goose chases that one has to wonder if they do this just
for their own fun.

For example, they sent this iOS user, Ant, on a wild goose chase:
o How do I redownload and reinstall an older version of iOS app into my
iPhone 4S?

<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/56nEgAZIjGk/QoMXl4TFBAAJ>

And, they repeatedly sent this iOS user, Wade Garrett on a wild goose chase
o Copy App from iPad to iPad Mini (by Wade Garrett)

<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/TDZQfsILCAAJ>

*Both Ant and Wade Garrett failed (they never had a chance).*

Both nospam and Jolly Roger are leading badgolferman on a wild goose chase.
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/nf7UfnIbCAAJ>

This is just about the umpteenth time they sent people on wild-goose chases.
o Need to get an older app from one iOS device to another
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/hGyPrciqZ14/xSkTh-pNAAAJ>

o Is it possible to copy an app from one iOS device to another?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/IeOlsAV4VCU/_4A9ZOCJsKcJ>

Neither nospam nor Jolly Roger cares that they just make everything up.
o Copy App from iPad to iPad Mini
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/TDZQfsILCAAJ>

Even David Empson proves both nospam & Jolly Roger just make it all up:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/z3kVVoc-CAAJ>

It's amazing how these religious zealots don't care one bit for facts.
o How do you install hundreds of free apps on your iOS device from all
your friend's and other people's iOS devices?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.ipad/z_vztaAbOfM>

Poor badgolferman - the sooner he realizes the Apple Apologists just made
it up (again), the better for him. Get your popcorn out... The Apple
Apologists are back claiming iOS can do something as simple as load an
older IPA when you don't have it meticulously saved prior.

It's clear what will happen to poor badgolferman ... what's not so clear
is WHY on earth do the Apple Apologist ignorati nospam & Jolly Roger
constantly send these poor iOS users on this wild goose chase?

[Carlos E.R.]

On 16/09/2019 22.20, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 22:01:34 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> So this is OT on Linux or Windows groups.
>
> Hi Carlos,
>
> Let's try to move the ball forward for all Android users, shall we?
>
> It's fair to say that almost all Windows & Linux Android users already know
> how to fully and completely back up (and restore) their Android devices
> to/from their desktops, over USB or NetBIOS, without putting a single bit
> of their private data "on the net".
>
> That includes encrypted passwords, private calendar data, personal contact
> information, encrypted file containers, etc.
>
> It's less fair to say that almost all Windows & Linux iOS users know how to
> accomplish the same task - but - it's fair to say that this thread is not
> about iOS - but about Android backup - and hence - that fact isn't all that
> important to those Windows & Linux users for the purpose of this thread.
>
> What IS important, for the purpose of this thread, is that MANY users may
> wish to use this new Google claimed capability to test bidirectional backup
> and restore (to the same or to new devices), which was only released
> recently (AFAIK).
>
> Given I don't ever purposefully store my personal data on the net, I am
> simply asking OTHERS to test this out and report back for the team.

<https://cincodias.elpais.com/cincodias/2019/09/13/lifestyle/1568361324_867185.html>

<https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/09/13/google-one-android-backup/>

That's all I need to know.

Notice that it is a pay service, so I'm not going to test it. The
functionality can be obtained with Google Drive too, but with many more
clicks. IF you have enough space on Drive.

> Posting & f'up set, as Carlos' suggested, to c.m.a (as I had promised).

You do not need to ad a f'up to every post.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Carlos E.R.]

On 16/09/2019 22.17, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> Arlen Holder <arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:

...

>> Android:
>> o It's_trivial_ to just copy those already-installed APKs to the new phone.
>>
> I suppose. Don’t copy old APKs for the same reason I don’t use old
> non-supported apps on iOS. One exception is the Nook app on my Likebook
> Mars. The current version just won’t run so I sideload an old APK which
> works. Unfortunately for me the Mars was a last attempt to get a good
> general Android tablet with e-ink that didn’t suck. The Mars, like
> everyone I’ve tried in the past is sluggish as hell and battery life isn’t
> all that good. Back to reading on my iPad Mini.

eink devices are not intended to be tablets. They are simply ebook
readers (for plain text books, not magazines with photos), and do not
need to be fast at all. In that simple role, they are excellent.

Making them with Android or iOS is stupid and will give the user a bad
experience.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[nospam]

In article <qlou37$an6$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:

> You Apologists think nothing of claiming imaginary iOS functionality.

arlen-speak for "i don't know how and am not interested in learning".

[Arlen Holder]

On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:46:08 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> You Apologists think nothing of claiming imaginary iOS functionality.
>
> arlen-speak for "i don't know how and am not interested in learning".

That apologists brazenly claim imaginary functionality doesn't bother me.

What bothers me is you send innocent users on sadistic wild goose chases.

Even David Empson, who has never once been wrong on iOS topics, says so.

You're a sadistic liar with no intention of being purposefully helpful.

[Libor Striz]

Arlen Holder <arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> Wrote in message:

> You Apologists think nothing of claiming imaginary iOS functionality.

Just for my curiosity,
what is the reason you still use Apple iOS devices ?

One could think from your various posts
you may have already thrown them out of a window.

:-)


--
Poutnik ( the Wanderer )

[Carlos E.R.]

:-)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Lloyd Parsons]

He makes lots of claims about lots of things, most are wrong. But he does
love to troll!

--
Lloyd

[Arlen Holder]

On 17 Sep 2019 15:20:03 GMT, Lloyd Parsons wrote:

> He makes lots of claims about lots of things, most are wrong. But he does
> love to troll!

Hi Poutnik, (and Carlos & Lloyd Parsons, aka Elfin),

The answer to your question is in the tens of thousands of my posts.

I add unique value to the Usenet potluck.
1. I care about technology enough to LEARN accurate facts & details.
2. I care about people enough to PROVIDE accurate facts & details.

REMEMBER: Always keep in mind my facts are NEVER wrong! (1)
(I repeat: My facts are NEVER made up. They're 100% correct.)

Worthless bullies like Carlos, nospam, & Lloyd do NOT care.
o They're sadistic bullies who gravitate to Usenet but add negative value
o They LOVE Usenet because it allows them to shit on the Potluck picnic.

Your answer is SIMPLE - and OBVIOUS (as EVERY post fits that answer!).
1. I LEARN about DETAILS on COMPUTERS (all platforms!)
2. I TEACH (with tutorials, for example) where FACTUAL TRUTH counts.

Notice _everything_ I do fits those two simple goals:
1. I own Android, iOS, Windows, Linux, iOS, and, at times, Mac.
2. I write apnotes and tutorials and respond to help others all the time.

Notice, Poutnik, you asked a GREAT question, but ... you KNOW the answer!
1. I ask and answer questions of TECHNICAL details of all platforms
2. I write tutorials & solve people's problems all the time.

Do you see this, Poutnik?

You should be SMART enough to see these two things in ALL my posts.
1. I LEARN technical details of all common consumer platforms, and,
2. I TEACH others the FACTUAL TRUTH of all those common platforms.

I expect Poutnik, who is an adult most of the time to comprehend that.
o I do NOT expect Lloyd or Carlos to comprehend anything whatsoever.

Lloyd and Carlos are what we refer to in the classroom as "bullies".
o They know absolutely nothing.

Worse, they contribute absolutely nothing.
o Just LOOK at every one of their posts - all completely worthless.

There are MANY worthless bullies like Lloyd & Carlos on Usenet.
o Worthless bullies like Lloyd & Carlos GRAVITATE to Usenet, in fact.

They love to call people who speak facts they don't like - trolls.
o But really, it's just that they're completely worthless.
And they hate the fact that they, themselves, add zero value.

They are the trolls - as proven by their utter lack of any value.
o How many tutorials have I written, Poutnik?
o How many detailed answers have I supplied, Poutnik?
o How many detailed questions have I asked, Poutnik?
o How much software have I tested, Poutnik?
o How many solutions for privacy & mapping have I posted, Poutnik?
(The list of my added value goes on and on and on and on and on...)

What's sad is that you often see me RESPOND to the worthless trolls like
nospam, and Lloyd, where, my response is always to ask them to supply at
least a single fact to back up their completely imaginary claims of
functionality - which - we must be sure to note - they never do.

They can't back up ANY of their claims - where my goal on Usenet is to
EXPOSE these worthless people like Lloyd & nospam for what they are.

Now you can ask WHY I bother responding to worthless people like Lloyd.

What you DO NOT NOTICE is that I do not feed those trolls in threads that I
don't author (mainly I only respond to threads I author, or threads where I
care that the OP obtain a correct answer).

I repeat:
o I do not feed the worthless trolls like Lloyd & Carlos in other threads.

But if those worthless trolls pollute a thread I care about
o Then I confront those worthless bullies like nospam & Lloyd.

Worthless people like nospam & Carlos & Lloyd thrive on the fact that it
takes energy to confront them - where I only bother with that energy in
threads that they have already polluted.

I liken those worthless bullies to someone who brings a steaming pile of
shit to the Potluck, where those worthless bullies THRIVE on the fact that
THEY think it's funny (nay, even clever) that they brought a steaming pile
of shit to the Potluck as their "contribution" of added value.

You can argue with me to not feed those worthless trolls ... but ...
o You have to UNDERSTAND that I only confront them in threads I care about

My goal is to get rid of them - by making their trolling less fun for them
- by exposing them for what they are.

Now, some worthless trolls like nospam have absolutely no decency
o They sadistically send innocent people on wild goose chases

Some, like Carlos & Lloyd, are too stupid to comprehend what I'm doing.
o But most actually COMPREHEND that I'm proving they're utter fools.

Most people are more intelligent (slightly) than Carlos & Lloyd
o People like Jolly Roger, Meanie, Savageduck, Alan Browne,
o People like Mayayana, Mike Easter, & Frank are classic.

There are three kinds of worthless people, only some rehabilitatable.

People like Frank, for example, are rehabilitatable.
o People like nospam, clearly, are not.

Think about it like this, Poutnik, if you want to understand me:
1. I care about technology enough to LEARN accurate facts & details.
2. I care about people enough to PROVIDE accurate facts & details.

--
(1) Since Usenet is casual, I must have once or twice in thousands upon
thousands of posts, gotten a material fact wrong - but nobody on this
planet has ever found my material facts to be wrong - simply because, as an
extremely well educated adult - having worked with the brightest people on
this planet in the best east-coast schools and the toughest technical
environment of the Silicon Valley - my credibity matters. It's rare, and,
perhaps even unique, on Usenet, to find someone with the factual
credibility that I have, which is 100% - simply because my belief system is
based on facts and facts alone - where I can provide cites to every one of
my facts - and where the worthless trolls who confront me always fail that
simiple adults test of their childishly wholly imaginary belief systems.

[Lloyd]

On 11:27 17/09 , Arlen Holder wrote:
>On 17 Sep 2019 15:20:03 GMT, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
>> He makes lots of claims about lots of things, most are wrong. But he does
>> love to troll!
>
>Hi Poutnik, (and Carlos & Lloyd Parsons, aka Elfin),
>
>The answer to your question is in the tens of thousands of my posts.
>
>I add unique value to the Usenet potluck.
>1. I care about technology enough to LEARN accurate facts & details.
>2. I care about people enough to PROVIDE accurate facts & details.
>
>REMEMBER: Always keep in mind my facts are NEVER wrong! (1)
>(I repeat: My facts are NEVER made up. They're 100% correct.)
>

Since the vast majority of your posts are assertions and opinions claiming to be facts, you’d be wrong out of the gate. On those very rare occasions that you do actually post a fact it is quickly followed with your usual bullshit.

<< self serving crap deleted >

>Your answer is SIMPLE - and OBVIOUS (as EVERY post fits that answer!).
>1. I LEARN about DETAILS on COMPUTERS (all platforms!)
>2. I TEACH (with tutorials, for example) where FACTUAL TRUTH counts.
>

Yes, you do teach. Usually with the most convoluted way possible to accomplish a task.

<< whole lot more crap deleted>>

[Libor Striz]

Arlen Holder <arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> Wrote in message:

> Hi Poutnik, ........

REMEMBER: Always keep in mind my facts are NEVER wrong! (1)(I
repeat: My facts are NEVER made up. They're 100% correct.)

......

I admit I grant you credit for huge effort in IT context, Arlen.

And because of that,
it is a pitty it rather stambles on one simple principal thing:

Even the best of the best scientists, engineers, technicians,
inovators, artists and all great people,
all of them make mistakes and errors, time by time.

During reading, comprehension, evaluation, creation, writing, any time.

The very most of these greatest ones
are humble enough to know it
and to admit it.

But you never make errors nor mistakes presenting information here.

I see a lack of their humbliness.

People, who never make errors and mistakes are either fools,
either liars.

I do not wish to think
you are either of them,
so think more carefully about
what you write.

I make mistakes often.

[nospam]

In article <qlr1hr$6ae$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:
>
> I add unique value to the Usenet potluck.

unique, very true.

value, definitely not.

> 1. I care about technology enough to LEARN accurate facts & details.

no you don't. whenever someone explains to you something new, you go
off on a rant.

> 2. I care about people enough to PROVIDE accurate facts & details.

nope to that too.

> REMEMBER: Always keep in mind my facts are NEVER wrong! (1)
> (I repeat: My facts are NEVER made up. They're 100% correct.)

nope yet again.

the rest of your 100 line rant snipped.

[Arlen Holder]

On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 18:58:59 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote:

> But you never make errors nor mistakes presenting information here.

Hi Poutnik,

Bearing in mind I've written so many tutorials that I can't count them...

First, thank you for understanding two essential points:

1. I care about technology enough to LEARN accurate facts & details.

2. I care about people enough to SUPPLY accurate facts & details.

You misunderstood my comments about my stellar credibillity; but that's OK
because Usenet is a casual medium where "strangers" assume a lot from any
given conversation.

Before you respond to my assertion that you misunderstood me, please LOOK
at this thread, Poutnik (please do NOT respond until you look at the
thread!)
o wrong, by badgolferman
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/BjiM9DsVXj8/iqurJBJnBwAJ>

Yeah, it's a long thread, so just read this one post if you must cheat:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/BjiM9DsVXj8/76JihdlxCgAJ>

The point is that you're DEAD WRONG Poutnik - but I understand why you feel
it's an error on my part to say I'm 100% wrong.

Even the mayor of Cupertino opined I was not 100% right all the time:
o Steve claims Arlen is only 60% correct where Arlen is 100% correct on material facts
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/u7yQ959XPRU/a9jvGbXfAwAJ>

The fact is, Poutnik, if I'm ever shown to be wrong on material facts (it
hasn't happened yet but I have made accidental misstatement's of facts
since Usenet is a casual medium), I immediately apologize (as proven in
those threads).

Remember Poutnik: I'm not like most people you know.
1. First off, I'm better educated than the trolls like Lloyd & nospam
(and yes, I know you have a chemistry degree - but you know I have plenty
of degrees to my name also - where we are BOTH intelligent adults.

2. I went to the best schools in this country - and I worked for decades in
the most technically competitive city on this planet - where I have met so
many truly intelligent people that it would make most people's heads spin.

The point is that in the environment that I am used to, CREDIBILITY
MATTERS.

For morons like Carlos and nospam and Lloyd and a hosts of others (see list
below for example), they can't stand people like me - they hate me.

I don't care for them - but I do confront their worthless bullying in
threads I care about (I don't feed them in threads I don't care about).

For example, Lloyd has never once in his entire life, ever added a single
iota of on topic value to ANY thread on Usenet. Never.

That's pretty impressive right?
o And yet, he is so stupid - he doesn't even realize that fact!

What you see, with me, is that I simply do not have the social skills
necessary to treat absolute morons like Carlos and Lloyd and nospam, with
any respect.

I simply treat them as a mirror treats them.
o If they ignore me - I ignore them.
o If they post their worthless drivel to other threads - I ignore them.
o It's only when they infest a thread I care about - that I prove they're
idiots.

Since proving people like Carlos & nospam & Lloyd are morons is so trivial,
you have to understand my goal is to merely do two things:
a. Ensure others aren't led on wild goose chases by their sadism
b. Convince them to go infest someone elses' threads.

People like Lloyd are too stupid to comprehend that goal
o But others, like Mayana and even Joerg Lorenz, have understood.

The LESS these morons post - the BETTER Usenet will be for all of us.
o Alan Baker <nu...@ness.biz>
o Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com>
o Andreas Rutishauser <and...@macandreas.ch>
o B...@Onramp.net
o Beedle <Bee...@dont-email.me>
o "Boris T." <b...@lsd.invalid> (a common troll)
o Carlos E.R. <robin_...@es.invalid>
o Char Jackson <no...@none.invalid>
o Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
o "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r...@WizardsTower.invalid> (always a child)
o Dan Purgert <d...@djph.net> (sometimes, but only rarely posts as an adult)
o David Catterall <djc...@eircom.net> (a common troll)
o Davoud <st...@sky.net>
o Diesel <m...@privacy.net> (aka Dustin Cook, mentally scary)
o Elden <use...@moondog.org>
o Elfin <elfi...@gmail.com> (aka Lloyd, aka Lloyd Parsons)
o Fox's Mercantile <jda...@att.net> Jeff
o Jasen Betts <ja...@xnet.co.nz> (always posts as that of a child)
o John Gabriel <NoS...@nospam.net> (can only troll)
o Hemidactylus <ecph...@allspamis.invalid>
o Idaho Homo Joe <dick...@aol.com> (worthless common moron troll)
o Jasen Betts <ja...@xnet.co.nz> (mostly is an adult but often is a child)
o joe <no...@domain.invalid> (rarely, but sometimes posts as an adult would)
o Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
o Johan <JH...@nospam.invalid>
o John Doe <alway...@message.header>
o John McWilliams <jp...@comcast.net>
o John-Del <ohg...@gmail.com>
o Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com>
o Ken Hart <kwh...@frontier.com>
o Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
o Lloyd <elfi...@gmail.com> (aka "Elfin")
o Lloyd Parsons <lloy...@gmail.com> (aka "Elfin")
o Meanie <M...@gmail.com>
o nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> (bullshitter par excellence)
o Nil <redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net>
o Paul Raymond (aka porn king) <arling...@nospam.net> (porn obsessed)
o "pf...@aol.com" <peterw...@gmail.com> Peter Wieck, Melrose Park, PA
o Rene Lamontagne <rla...@shaw.ca> (always posts as a child would post)
o "R.Wieser" <add...@not.available> (aka Rudy Wieser) (always a child)
o Sandman <m...@sandman.net> (hates facts)
o Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
o she...@outlook.com
o Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> (aka Michael Glasser, troll's troll)
o Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net>
o Wade Garrett <wa...@cooler.net>
o Wolf K <wol...@sympatico.ca> (always posts as a child)
o Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com>
o et al.

[Arlen Holder]

On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 17:34:33 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

> The point is that you're DEAD WRONG Poutnik - but I understand why you feel
> it's an error on my part to say I'm 100% wrong.

Hehheh... since nospam is classic for his truly perverse personality trait
of constantly and brazenly sending innocent people on his sadistic wild
goose chases - it will be classic for him to play his silly childish games
with that inadvertent ad hoc faux pas.

[nospam]

In article <qlr5f8$d3d$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:

> The fact is, Poutnik, if I'm ever shown to be wrong on material facts (it
> hasn't happened yet but I have made accidental misstatement's of facts
> since Usenet is a casual medium), I immediately apologize (as proven in
> those threads).

it happens quite frequently, at which point, you go off on a lengthy
rant, often exceeding 100 lines and sometimes even more than 200 lines.

> Remember Poutnik: I'm not like most people you know.

that is true, and it's not to your benefit.

> 1. First off, I'm better educated than the trolls like Lloyd & nospam
> (and yes, I know you have a chemistry degree - but you know I have plenty
> of degrees to my name also - where we are BOTH intelligent adults.

you have no idea what anyone's education is unless they mention it.

it also doesn't matter. bill gates and mark zuckerberg are both college
dropouts.

> 2. I went to the best schools in this country

visiting campus doesn't count.

> - and I worked for decades in
> the most technically competitive city on this planet

janitorial or food service work doesn't count.

> - where I have met so
> many truly intelligent people that it would make most people's heads spin.

particularly yours.

> The point is that in the environment that I am used to, CREDIBILITY
> MATTERS.

your problem is you have none.

cue next rant..3..2..1..

[Carlos E.R.]

On 17/09/2019 18.27, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On 17 Sep 2019 15:20:03 GMT, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
>> He makes lots of claims about lots of things, most are wrong. But he does
>> love to troll!
>
> Hi Poutnik, (and Carlos & Lloyd Parsons, aka Elfin),
>
> The answer to your question is in the tens of thousands of my posts.
>
> I add unique value to the Usenet potluck.
> 1. I care about technology enough to LEARN accurate facts & details.
> 2. I care about people enough to PROVIDE accurate facts & details.
>
> REMEMBER: Always keep in mind my facts are NEVER wrong! (1)
> (I repeat: My facts are NEVER made up. They're 100% correct.)
>
> Worthless bullies like Carlos, nospam, & Lloyd do NOT care.

Me? Why me? I did not insult or attack you in any manner, in this thread.

Which negates entirely the rest of your post.

Anybody can see that, but most of us do not have the energy or interest
to argue stupidities with you.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Arlen Holder]

On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 20:04:11 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> Which negates entirely the rest of your post.

Hi Carlos,

I ask of you the same question I ask of any person posing as an adult.

Point to a SINGLE post of yours, in this thread, which ADDED VALUE that
wasn't ALREADY in the Opening Post.

It's a simple test of your own claims, Carlos ... simple & to the point:
o Name just one.

[Carlos E.R.]

Wow. Really?

I did. I linked two articles with exact information on how to use Google
One Backup.

Message-ID: <d0b55g-...@Telcontar.valinor>

With your answer in this post you are proving yourself an idiot... See?
Now I reply to your insult with another insult. You started.

Facts!

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Arlen Holder]

On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 00:29:01 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> With your answer in this post you are proving yourself an idiot... See?
> Now I reply to your insult with another insult. You started.

Carlos.
o Read the original post.

You provided NOTHING of value over the information in the original post.
Nothing.

When I first read your post, I decided not to call you a moron.
o But it added NOTHING of value over what was in the original post.

Nothing.

It's not possible for you to add value, Carlos.
o I know you well - and you just don't have the skills necessary.

All you _can_ do - is waste everyone's time with your incessant complaints.
o Do me a (and everyone) a big favor and troll somewhere else please.

--
If it sounds like I'm trying to alienate you Carlos - it's because I am.

[Carlos E.R.]

On 18/09/2019 08.15, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 00:29:01 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> With your answer in this post you are proving yourself an idiot... See?
>> Now I reply to your insult with another insult. You started.
>
> Carlos.
> o Read the original post.

I did. When you posted to the Linux group and told you to not do that,
and you stopped, which was nice. I thought for a moment that you had
improved since the months I had not replied to another post from you,
and then took some time to read your post in the android group.

>
> You provided NOTHING of value over the information in the original post.
> Nothing.

No?

>
> When I first read your post, I decided not to call you a moron.
> o But it added NOTHING of value over what was in the original post.

No?

Well, that's is your opinion. It was a post directly on the subject and
said everything that was necessary and appropriate.

>
> Nothing.
>
> It's not possible for you to add value, Carlos.
> o I know you well - and you just don't have the skills necessary.

No?

>
> All you _can_ do - is waste everyone's time with your incessant complaints.
> o Do me a (and everyone) a big favor and troll somewhere else please.

No?

Well, you are now a liar or plain stupid.

Back to ignoring your posts again.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Arlen Holder]

On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 11:04:58 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> Well, you are now a liar or plain stupid.

Carlos,

It's really simple.
o Your posts added absolutely ZERO value over the original post.

All my responses to your post add _negative_ value.
o So let's stop wasting everyone's time.

The _less_ you post - the more value Usenet will contain.
o That means my response to your posts also is a waste of time.

So let's stop conversing Carlos.

The reason is really simple:
a. You have zero value to any Usenet technical conversation, and,
b. My response telling you that just wastes everyone's time.

--
To save others this waste of time - this is my last response to you,
Carlos, in this thread.

[nospam]

In article <qltvn3$tcj$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:

> It's really simple.

> o My posts added absolutely ZERO value over the original post.
>


>
> The _less_ I post - the more value Usenet will contain.

ftfy

[Arlen Holder]

On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 15:25:57 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> The _less_ I post - the more value Usenet will contain.
>
> ftfy

You insist on proving you own the brain of a child, nospam.

[Arlen Holder]

UPDATE:

Subscription, apparently, no longer required.
o Plus iOS has been announced.

See details here...
o Google One free phone backup tool adds both Android & iOS capabilities announced today by Google
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/aP-SHtStwO4>
--
Smartphone functionality just gets better, faster, cheaper over time.

[Alan Baker]

On 2020-08-02 2:59 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> UPDATE:
>
> Subscription, apparently, no longer required.
> o Plus iOS has been announced.
>
> See details here...
> o Google One free phone backup tool adds both Android & iOS capabilities announced today by Google
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/aP-SHtStwO4>
>

And suddenly you trust Google with all of your data when you've been
wailing about how they might suck up your contacts for weeks.