Is it possible to copy an app from one iOS device to another?

[Whitney Ryan]

Is it possible to copy an app from one iOS device to another?

I have a freeware app on one iPad that I'd like to "copy"
(if possible) to another iPad with the same iOS, but I don't
own that second iPad (it's an iPad of a friend of mine who
could use the app, which is VLC, but the app itself shouldn't
matter for this specific question).

While I've never needed to copy an app from one mobile device
to another before, on Android, the way I'd first try would be
to copy the app's APK from the first device to the second,
and then click on that APK to install it.

That APK would be easy to create with any freeware backup
app (such as App Backup & Restore) most of which easily save
the APK file onto the mobile device SD card or computer HDD.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.infolife.appbackup&hl=en

Once the installer is saved, I'd just copy that installer file
onto the second device, and doubleclick on it, to install it.

Assuming the same mobile device hardware & iOS version, is it
as easy to copy an app from the one iOS device to the other?

[Rod Speed]

Whitney Ryan <whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote

> Is it possible to copy an app from one iOS device to another?

Yes, that has been done with VLC which can
disappear from the App Store for a while at times.

> I have a freeware app on one iPad that I'd like to "copy"
> (if possible) to another iPad with the same iOS, but I
> don't own that second iPad (it's an iPad of a friend of
> mine who could use the app, which is VLC, but the
> app itself shouldn't matter for this specific question).

Correct on that last.

> While I've never needed to copy an app from one mobile
> device to another before, on Android, the way I'd first try
> would be to copy the app's APK from the first device to
> the second, and then click on that APK to install it.

> That APK would be easy to create with any freeware backup
> app (such as App Backup & Restore) most of which easily save
> the APK file onto the mobile device SD card or computer HDD.
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.infolife.appbackup&hl=en

> Once the installer is saved, I'd just copy that installer file
> onto the second device, and doubleclick on it, to install it.

> Assuming the same mobile device hardware & iOS version, is
> it as easy to copy an app from the one iOS device to the other?

Yes. And they don’t have to be the same mobile
device hardware and iOS version either.

Copy the ipa via iTools to your desktop unplug the iPad with
VLC on it and plug the other iPad in and drag and drop the ipa.

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote

http://www.guidingtech.com/16025/itools-transfer-apps-iphone-without-itunes/

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-01-05, Whitney Ryan <whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Is it possible to copy an app from one iOS device to another?
>
> I have a freeware app on one iPad that I'd like to "copy"
> (if possible) to another iPad with the same iOS, but I don't
> own that second iPad (it's an iPad of a friend of mine who
> could use the app, which is VLC, but the app itself shouldn't
> matter for this specific question).

Stop teaching your friend idiotic waste-of-time methodologies. I feel
sorry for your friend.

If your friend wants a free app, she should go to the App Store on her
Mac/Windows computer, or on the iPad itself, and get it for free. Simple
as that.

> While I've never needed to copy an app from one mobile device
> to another before,

You don't have to now, either.

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[Whitney Ryan]

Rod Speed wrote, on Tue, 06 Jan 2015 09:57:32 +1100:

> Copy the ipa via iTools to your desktop unplug the iPad with
> VLC on it and plug the other iPad in and drag and drop the ipa.

That's GREAT that Apple has that concept of the iOS IPA (which
seems to be similar to the Android APK concept).

Googling for "ipa copy itools", I get a few good hits which
I will read and report back upon.

Use iTools To Transfer Apps To iPhone Without Using iTunes
http://www.guidingtech.com/16025/itools-transfer-apps-iphone-without-itunes/

Tutorial to easily backup/extract ipa file of app from iPhone/iPad/iPod using iTools on Mac/PC Windows 7/8/8.1/10
http://techapple.net/2015/01/tutorial-easily-backupextract-ipa-file-app-iphoneipad-using-itools-macpc-windows-788-110/

Extract .APP from iPhone to PC and make .IPA
http://www.sinfuliphone.com/showthread.php?p=771325

How to use iTools to transfer apps without iTunes
http://mosh.ph/36557/itools-transfer-apps-music-and-pics-to-your-iphone-ipad-or-ipod-for-windows-and-mac

Download iTools To Transfer IPA Apps, Music & Pictures
http://www.unlockboot.com/2013/04/download-itools-to-transfer-ipa-apps.html

I'll read those articles for starters, and come back
if I need further help or if I find out something interesting.

[Whitney Ryan]

Jolly Roger wrote, on Mon, 05 Jan 2015 23:18:24 +0000:

> If your friend wants a free app, she should go to the App Store on her
> Mac/Windows computer, or on the iPad itself, and get it for free. Simple
> as that.

Easy to say, and easy to do, if the app still exists in
the app store, but it wasn't there this weekend, when I tried
to get it for her.

[Rod Speed]

Whitney Ryan <whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> Copy the ipa via iTools to your desktop unplug the iPad with
>> VLC on it and plug the other iPad in and drag and drop the ipa.

> That's GREAT that Apple has that concept of the iOS IPA
> (which seems to be similar to the Android APK concept).

Yes.

[nospam]

In article <m8f21v$1rb$3...@news.albasani.net>, Whitney Ryan

<whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> Is it possible to copy an app from one iOS device to another?

no.

what you can do is sync the ios device with your computer which copies
the apps to it and then sync the other ios devices, choosing which apps
to install (they don't have to be the same) but you refuse to use
itunes so that option is out.

you can also re-download the app from the store but since you want vlc,
that option is also out since it's not currently available.

the other person will need to wait until vlc comes back to the store or
find an alternative. a better option is use itunes and sync the music
so none of this is necessary.

giving someone else your apps is unauthorized copying and intentionally
blocked. each app is codesigned with your apple id and will not work
unless the other person authenticates with it.

> I have a freeware app on one iPad that I'd like to "copy"
> (if possible) to another iPad with the same iOS, but I don't
> own that second iPad (it's an iPad of a friend of mine who
> could use the app, which is VLC, but the app itself shouldn't
> matter for this specific question).

the app doesn't matter. your options are listed above.

[nospam]

In article <m8facb$1rb$5...@news.albasani.net>, Whitney Ryan

<whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > If your friend wants a free app, she should go to the App Store on her
> > Mac/Windows computer, or on the iPad itself, and get it for free. Simple
> > as that.
>
> Easy to say, and easy to do, if the app still exists in
> the app store, but it wasn't there this weekend, when I tried
> to get it for her.

then she's out of luck.

wait for its return, find an alternative, or use itunes so none of this
nonsense is needed.

[Whitney Ryan]

nospam wrote, on Mon, 05 Jan 2015 21:57:19 -0500:

> the other person will need to wait until vlc comes back to the store or
> find an alternative. a better option is use itunes and sync the music
> so none of this is necessary.

You know as well as I do that the iTunes abomination doesn't even run
on the computer and that to make it run would take a Wine kluge on top
of the iTunes abomination, and then adding in a ridiculous use model
with the huge propensity to wipe out all the data on your friend's iDevice
that you're left trying to explain why their Apple products just wiped
out everything on their iDevice without even warning you except at the
time that you installed the abomination which wasn't even installed by
the user who plugged in the iDevice.

[nospam]

In article <m8fkfo$cga$4...@news.albasani.net>, Whitney Ryan

<whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > the other person will need to wait until vlc comes back to the store or
> > find an alternative. a better option is use itunes and sync the music
> > so none of this is necessary.
>
> You know as well as I do that the iTunes abomination doesn't even run
> on the computer

yes it does.

> and that to make it run would take a Wine kluge on top
> of the iTunes abomination,

install windows, which you said you have, and it will run on the
computer.

> and then adding in a ridiculous use model

it's a much easier use model.

> with the huge propensity to wipe out all the data on your friend's iDevice

it will not erase anything unless you tell it to erase.

> that you're left trying to explain why their Apple products just wiped
> out everything on their iDevice without even warning you

wrong

> except at the
> time that you installed the abomination which wasn't even installed by
> the user who plugged in the iDevice.

another mistake.

[Whitney Ryan]

nospam wrote, on Mon, 05 Jan 2015 22:28:39 -0500:

> it will not erase anything unless you tell it to erase.

Read this quote and then tell me that we're all wrong.

"Plug your old Apple iPhone into your new Apple Macbook
for the first time, and because the two machines haven't
been formally introduced, iTunes will babble about "syncing"
one with the other. It claims it simply MUST delete everything
from the old phone before putting any new stuff on it. Why?
It won't tell you. It'll just cheerfully ask if you want to
proceed, like an upbeat robot butler that can't understand
why you're crying."

http://walterhiggins.net/blog/posterous-charlie-brooker-on-the-abomination-that-is-it

[nospam]

In article <m8flbt$cga$6...@news.albasani.net>, Whitney Ryan

<whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>
> > it will not erase anything unless you tell it to erase.
>
> Read this quote and then tell me that we're all wrong.
>
> "Plug your old Apple iPhone into your new Apple Macbook
> for the first time, and because the two machines haven't
> been formally introduced, iTunes will babble about "syncing"
> one with the other. It claims it simply MUST delete everything
> from the old phone before putting any new stuff on it. Why?
> It won't tell you. It'll just cheerfully ask if you want to
> proceed, like an upbeat robot butler that can't understand
> why you're crying."

you might try reading it yourself. he said it *asks* you if you want to
proceed. say no and nothing is erased.

[Whitney Ryan]

nospam wrote, on Mon, 05 Jan 2015 22:28:39 -0500:

> it's a much easier use model.

iTunes is an absolute abomination of a use model.
And you know it.

Worse yet, the iTunes abomination has a nasty propensity to wipe
out all the user's data, without even so much as a belated apology.

This guy simply updated his iTunes, and it wiped out EVERYHING
he had on his iDevice!
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3812847?tstart=0
"Updated to newest v. of iTunes, go on today for the first time.
My entire library is gone, all playlists, everything!"

This guy doesn't even know why the iTunes abomination wiped out
everything he had on his iDevice.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4912669?tstart=0
Itunes (on Windows 7) just deleted my entire library of music, apps and playlists

Same thing with this guy, and countless millions of others
(including me):
Last update to itunes wiped out all downloaded files and playlists....NOT IMPRESSED!! Any ideas??

iTunes is an abominable use model, and you know it.

[Rod Speed]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote

> Whitney Ryan <whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote

>> Is it possible to copy an app from one iOS device to another?

> no.

Wrong, as always.

> what you can do is sync the ios device with your computer
> which copies the apps to it and then sync the other ios devices,
> choosing which apps to install (they don't have to be the same)

Which is copying an app from one iOS device to another, stupid.

But won't work in his case because he aint just copying
it from one device on his account to another device on
his account, stupid.

> but you refuse to use itunes so that option is out.

> you can also re-download the app from the store but since you
> want vlc, that option is also out since it's not currently available.

> the other person will need to wait until vlc
> comes back to the store or find an alternative.

Wrong, as always.

> a better option is use itunes and sync the music so none of this is
> necessary.

Won't work in his case because he aint just copying
it from one device on his account to another device on
his account, stupid.

> giving someone else your apps is unauthorized copying

Wrong, as always.

> and intentionally blocked. each app is codesigned with your apple
> id and will not work unless the other person authenticates with it.

Wrong, as always.

>> I have a freeware app on one iPad that I'd like to "copy"
>> (if possible) to another iPad with the same iOS, but I don't
>> own that second iPad (it's an iPad of a friend of mine who
>> could use the app, which is VLC, but the app itself shouldn't
>> matter for this specific question).

> the app doesn't matter. your options are listed above.

Wrong, as always.

[Rod Speed]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote

> Whitney Ryan <whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote

>>> If your friend wants a free app, she should go to
>>> the App Store on her Mac/Windows computer, or
>>> on the iPad itself, and get it for free. Simple as that.

>> Easy to say, and easy to do, if the app still
>> exists in the app store, but it wasn't there
>> this weekend, when I tried to get it for her.

> then she's out of luck.

Wrong, as always.

> wait for its return, find an alternative,

Or copy it some other way.

> or use itunes so none of this nonsense is needed.

It is with movies that iOS doesn't support the format of.

[Whitney Ryan]

nospam wrote, on Mon, 05 Jan 2015 22:44:22 -0500:

> you might try reading it yourself. he said it *asks* you if you want to
> proceed. say no and nothing is erased.

You know as well as I do that the iTunes abomination deletes user
data on purpose.

Apple admits it deleted non-iTunes music off iPods for two years
http://www.digitaltrends.com/music/apple-deleted-non-itunes-music-off-ipods-for-two-years-answers-for-it-in-court/
"The vaguely duplicitous act was executed by Apple when iPod users
would attempt to sync their iPod with iTunes after downloading music
from rival music services. The user would be instructed by an error
message instructing it to restore the iPod to its factory setting.
Once the user synced their iPod with iTunes after restoring their
iPod to its factory settings, the non-Apple music files music would
be gone."

Even the recent versions of the iTunes abomination delete user
data all the time, without the users' consent or knowledge.

"itunes deleted my apps from my ipodtouch!"
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2468309?tstart=0
" So I wanted to put some pictures on my new ipod touch with itunes
and everything was OK until itunes started to synch all my apps and
he deleted them from my ipod touch"

On and on you'll see this happening:
"Itunes 11.1 deleted almost all of my music! WHY?"
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5368528

itunes deleted my songs tv shows and movies
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6711879

iTunes 11 deleted all my music and playlists.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4941832

When I sync my music gets deleted
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3668550?tstart=0

[Savageduck]

Yup! Learn how to use iTunes.

Your first mistake is to not maintain a full music library in iTunes.
By only having a limited library in iTunes, let's say one which only
contains a few mp3's you want to transfer to an iOS device with
hundreds of mp3's and other media files loaded. If you then execute an
auto-sync iTunes will replace all of the music on your iOS device
effectively erasing all that was previously installed on the iDevice.

The answer is to manage music and videos manually.
<https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_1123.jpg>


--
Regards,

Savageduck

[nospam]

In article <m8fmf3$cga$8...@news.albasani.net>, Whitney Ryan

<whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>
> > you might try reading it yourself. he said it *asks* you if you want to
> > proceed. say no and nothing is erased.
>
> You know as well as I do that the iTunes abomination deletes user
> data on purpose.

you don't speak for me and it does no such thing.

>
> Apple admits it deleted non-iTunes music off iPods for two years
>
> http://www.digitaltrends.com/music/apple-deleted-non-itunes-music-off-ipods-fo
> r-two-years-answers-for-it-in-court/
> "The vaguely duplicitous act was executed by Apple when iPod users
> would attempt to sync their iPod with iTunes after downloading music
> from rival music services. The user would be instructed by an error
> message instructing it to restore the iPod to its factory setting.
> Once the user synced their iPod with iTunes after restoring their
> iPod to its factory settings, the non-Apple music files music would
> be gone."

first of all, apple *won* that lawsuit, but regardless it *only*
affected hacked songs from real networks.

under no circumstances was legitimate content deleted.

not only that, but the lawyers had a difficult time even finding anyone
that was affected by it.

at one point, there were no plaintiffs because the ones involved had no
standing and disqualified. it was actually comical how stupid the
lawsuit was and how incompetent the lawyers were.

anyway, the issue was that real networks *hacked* apple's fairplay copy
protection so that its songs looked like apple's songs and therefore
would be synced to an ipod. that's illegal, as well as an act of
despair by a company who cannot compete any other way.

the lawyers *should* have gone after real networks but they had no
money so why bother. apple has the money, so they became the target.
the fact that the lawyers couldn't find anyone affected shows just how
ludicrous it really was.

since apple's copy protection had been compromised (it doesn't matter
by whom), apple was *legally obligated* to fix it or the record
companies would pull their music from the itunes store.

apple historically did not want any copy protection at all but the
record companies forced it because they were afraid that everyone would
pirate music and they'd see their profits vaporize. once the record
companies realized that online sales was lucrative, they allowed for
music to be sold without copy protection, as it is today.

> Even the recent versions of the iTunes abomination delete user
> data all the time, without the users' consent or knowledge.

absolute bullshit.

in every case, the user told itunes to erase whatever it erased.

often, people click confirmation dialogues without reading what they
say.

[Savageduck]

Nope! You deleted almost all of your music because you didn't use iTune
properly.

> itunes deleted my songs tv shows and movies
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6711879

No. You deleted your songs, tv shows, and movies because of the choices
you made, or did not make before syncing your iOS device with iTunes.

> iTunes 11 deleted all my music and playlists.
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4941832

Again iTunes just did what you told it to do, sync your loaded iOS
device with a purged iTunes library.
You deleted your music and playlists.

> When I sync my music gets deleted
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3668550?tstart=0

See my other recent posts. You haven't bothered to learn how to use iTunes.
--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Michelle Steiner]

In article <050120152350592270%nos...@nospam.invalid>, nospam

<nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > Apple admits it deleted non-iTunes music off iPods for two years
> >
> >
> > http://www.digitaltrends.com/music/apple-deleted-non-itunes-music-off-ipods-
> > fo
> > r-two-years-answers-for-it-in-court/
> > "The vaguely duplicitous act was executed by Apple when iPod users
> > would attempt to sync their iPod with iTunes after downloading music
> > from rival music services. The user would be instructed by an error
> > message instructing it to restore the iPod to its factory setting.
> > Once the user synced their iPod with iTunes after restoring their
> > iPod to its factory settings, the non-Apple music files music would
> > be gone."
>
> first of all, apple *won* that lawsuit, but regardless it *only*
> affected hacked songs from real networks.

Don't try to tell him facts; they only confuse him.

[Michelle Steiner]

In article <m8flpm$cga$7...@news.albasani.net>, Whitney Ryan

<whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> iTunes is an absolute abomination of a use model.
> And you know it.

The only one who "knows" it is you, and you only think that you know it.

[nospam]

In article <050120152238160388%mich...@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner

<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> Don't try to tell him facts; they only confuse him.

he's already confused as can be.

[Rod Speed]

"Michelle Steiner" <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:050120152239566391%mich...@michelle.org...

> In article <m8flpm$cga$7...@news.albasani.net>, Whitney Ryan
> <whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> iTunes is an absolute abomination of a use model.
>> And you know it.
>
> The only one who "knows" it is you,

Nope, I agree with him on that.

I do use it to manually move videos to an idevice
but only because its quicker to do that way.

> and you only think that you know it.

Wrong, as always.

[Whitney Ryan]

nospam wrote, on Mon, 05 Jan 2015 23:50:59 -0500:

> under no circumstances was legitimate content deleted.

I apologize for my demeanor, when it comes to iTunes.

I personally have lost songs many times with iTunes,
and I personally have installed and uninstalled iTunes
many times, and I therefore know that it is an utter
abomination of both software design, and use model.

I can find many web sites that affirm both that iTunes is
an abominable set of bloatware, and that iTunes has a
horrific propensity to delete user content, in addition to
giving users a horribly complex use model when all (some of
them) want is to pop a DVD into the optical drive and slide
a song over to any iDevice they want, without installing
anything on either the computer or the iDevice.

I also have friends who work for Apple who smile when I talk
to them about the iTunes abomination, as they know exactly what
is going on, and they know everything I say is true.

They reply, as you do, that that most of their users don't even
notice that iTunes is horrid bloatware, and that most users
do things exactly the Apple way. Because most of their users
never go off road, most of their users don't even notice how
bad the iTunes abomination is.

Therefore, the iTunes "ecosystem" works, for them (excepting
the very many who have had all their content deleted accidentally
by the iTunes abomination).

However ...

I apologize for being curt with you on this iTunes thing, but,
the iTunes abomination has deleted so much of my user content
in the past, and it's such an abomination to both install and
then get rid of, that it's a sore point with me, especially
since it also installs tons of bloatware I never wanted (such
as Bonjour, Quicktime, Apple Application Support, Apple Software
Update, Apple Mobile Device Support, etc), which also have to
be uninstalled just to get your system back, in addition to Wine.

So, since you love iTunes, and apparently think it infallible,
while I abhor iTunes, and know it to be an utter abomination,
we probably shouldn't poison this otherwise healthy conversation
with our facts.

I apologize for denigrating iTunes in the manner that I did, and
I will simply read all your responses, and let you know, with an
emoticon, that I have done so (as I always try to be responsive
to you in any conversation).

Once again, I sincerely apologize for what I said to you about
iTunes, because it is a subject that I know all too well, and,
this isn't really the thread or newsgroup to discuss its demerits.

[Whitney Ryan]

nospam wrote, on Mon, 05 Jan 2015 23:50:59 -0500:

> apple historically did not want any copy protection at all but the
> record companies forced it because they were afraid that everyone would
> pirate music and they'd see their profits vaporize.

That's pretty much what my Apple friends told me also.

[Whitney Ryan]

Michelle Steiner wrote, on Mon, 05 Jan 2015 22:38:16 -0700:

> Don't try to tell him facts; they only confuse him.

I posted many references to many people who have lost
content due to iTunes, and I myself have lost content
far too many times to be confused.

However, I do apologize for talking about iTunes in
this thread, as it's really not the subject matter as
it won't do the intended job, which is simply to copy
an app from one iDevice to another, only one of which
I own.

My friend is traveling, so, that's why I haven't been
able to prove out the IPA and iTools suggestions, but
I am confident that we will be successful in the end.

[Whitney Ryan]

nospam wrote, on Tue, 06 Jan 2015 00:46:01 -0500:

> he's already confused as can be.

:)

[Whitney Ryan]

Savageduck wrote, on Mon, 05 Jan 2015 20:54:25 -0800:

> No. You deleted your songs, tv shows, and movies because of the choices
> you made, or did not make before syncing your iOS device with iTunes.

This is true.

My use model, which is to connect any iDevice to any computer and copy
over any content, without installing anything on any device, is the
antithesis of the iTunes use model.

It's just too easy and powerful.

So I do agree with you.
I'm used to a simple use model that has no settings whatsoever.
It just works.

On the other hand, when using iTunes, if I'm not extremely careful about
the settings set at the time of iTunes installation, then I will lose
content, especially since I never store anything on the computer and
my concept of a "library" is any existing content in the world on any media.

(NOTE: Installing software is not the same as executing software.)

[Whitney Ryan]

Savageduck wrote, on Mon, 05 Jan 2015 20:48:34 -0800:

> Yup! Learn how to use iTunes.

I agree. If you use iTunes the way you're supposed to, it probably
doesn't delete all your content. However, there is this little problem
of the very many users who have lost all of their content accidentally
using iTunes (some of which I posted URLs to in prior posts).

> Your first mistake is to not maintain a full music library in iTunes.

I agree. My concept of content is anything anywhere that the iDevice
will play. If its not in a format that the iDevice will play it, then
I convert it to a format that the iDevice will play.

That means any computer. Any iDevice. Any content.

And, I store none of that content on the computer, simply because
I never play that content on my computer so it would be stupid to
store it where it's never used.

> If you then execute an
> auto-sync iTunes will replace all of the music on your iOS device
> effectively erasing all that was previously installed on the iDevice.

We agree. This has happened to me, so I know it to be the case.
You speak the truth!

[Whitney Ryan]

Michelle Steiner wrote, on Mon, 05 Jan 2015 22:39:56 -0700:

> The only one who "knows" it is you, and you only think that you know it.

Heh heh... Ask nospam or SavageDuck if I understand why iTunes
fails for me. They know that I know the use model all too well.

It works for you, I agree.

But my use model is simpler.

My use model is to copy any content from any computer or device to
and from the iDevice without storing any of that content on the
computer, and without installing any software (if possible) on

either the computer or the iDevice.

I do this all the time, so I'm very familiar with my use model.

As nospam and SavageDuck are aware of, this is NOT the model that
iTunes espouses.

That's fine.
It's clear that iTunes is not for me, just as clear as iTunes
works fine for you.

But don't say I don't understand the iTunes use model without checking
with those two guys, who know that I understand it all too well.

[nospam]

In article <m8hv9n$crr$1...@news.albasani.net>, Whitney Ryan

<whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> I personally have lost songs many times with iTunes,

only because you told it to delete them.

> and I personally have installed and uninstalled iTunes
> many times, and I therefore know that it is an utter
> abomination of both software design, and use model.

installing/uninstalling is not the same as actually using it.

> I can find many web sites that affirm both that iTunes is
> an abominable set of bloatware, and that iTunes has a
> horrific propensity to delete user content, in addition to
> giving users a horribly complex use model when all (some of
> them) want is to pop a DVD into the optical drive and slide
> a song over to any iDevice they want, without installing
> anything on either the computer or the iDevice.

you can find web sites that say the earth is flat, the moon landing is
a hoax and that hurricane katrina was the work of the japanese mafia.
so what?

the fact is that the vast majority of users don't have any problem with
itunes or its use model. in fact, most *prefer* it because it is so
easy and powerful.

nothing is perfect and there will always be a small number who have
issues, no matter what the product is.

> I also have friends who work for Apple who smile when I talk
> to them about the iTunes abomination, as they know exactly what
> is going on, and they know everything I say is true.

more likely their manners and professionalism stops them from saying
what they really think.

> They reply, as you do, that that most of their users don't even
> notice that iTunes is horrid bloatware, and that most users
> do things exactly the Apple way. Because most of their users
> never go off road, most of their users don't even notice how
> bad the iTunes abomination is.

then it's a successful product.

> Therefore, the iTunes "ecosystem" works, for them (excepting
> the very many who have had all their content deleted accidentally
> by the iTunes abomination).

itunes always asks what to do. it won't delete *anything* without
confirmation.

however, itunes has no way to know if the user intentionally wants to
delete content or they accidentally clicked a button without reading
what it does.

if the user tells itunes to delete content, accidental or not, it will
do what the user told it to do.

> I apologize for being curt with you on this iTunes thing, but,
> the iTunes abomination has deleted so much of my user content
> in the past, and it's such an abomination to both install and
> then get rid of, that it's a sore point with me, especially
> since it also installs tons of bloatware I never wanted (such
> as Bonjour, Quicktime, Apple Application Support, Apple Software
> Update, Apple Mobile Device Support, etc), which also have to
> be uninstalled just to get your system back, in addition to Wine.

it needs all of that to work, some of which is useful outside of
itunes, such as quicktime and in particular, bonjour.

wine is not required for mac/windows users.

however, linux users *need* wine or dual-boot to be able to run all the
software that's unavailable for linux, something with which they are
very familiar, and not just for itunes.

> So, since you love iTunes, and apparently think it infallible,
> while I abhor iTunes, and know it to be an utter abomination,
> we probably shouldn't poison this otherwise healthy conversation
> with our facts.

i never said it's infallible. like everything, it has issues.

> I apologize for denigrating iTunes in the manner that I did, and
> I will simply read all your responses, and let you know, with an
> emoticon, that I have done so (as I always try to be responsive
> to you in any conversation).
>
> Once again, I sincerely apologize for what I said to you about
> iTunes, because it is a subject that I know all too well, and,
> this isn't really the thread or newsgroup to discuss its demerits.

you know so little about itunes it's laughable.

[nospam]

In article <m8hvfg$crr$3...@news.albasani.net>, Whitney Ryan

<whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>
> > Don't try to tell him facts; they only confuse him.
>
> I posted many references to many people who have lost
> content due to iTunes,

you posted a handful of links.

meanwhile, hundreds of millions of users have no issue.

> and I myself have lost content

only because you told it to.

> far too many times to be confused.

you're *very* confused.

> However, I do apologize for talking about iTunes in
> this thread, as it's really not the subject matter as
> it won't do the intended job, which is simply to copy
> an app from one iDevice to another, only one of which
> I own.

it absolutely will do the job you describe.

> My friend is traveling, so, that's why I haven't been
> able to prove out the IPA and iTools suggestions, but
> I am confident that we will be successful in the end.

your friend needs to find someone who won't give them idiotic advice.

[nospam]

In article <m8hvn5$crr$5...@news.albasani.net>, Whitney Ryan

<whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>
> My use model, which is to connect any iDevice to any computer and copy
> over any content, without installing anything on any device, is the
> antithesis of the iTunes use model.

then ios devices are the wrong product for you.

you're fighting a battle you cannot win.

> It's just too easy and powerful.

it's neither easy nor powerful because it's entirely manual.

> So I do agree with you.
> I'm used to a simple use model that has no settings whatsoever.
> It just works.

no it doesn't 'just work' since it requires user interaction.

> On the other hand, when using iTunes, if I'm not extremely careful about
> the settings set at the time of iTunes installation, then I will lose
> content, especially since I never store anything on the computer and
> my concept of a "library" is any existing content in the world on any media.

there is no need to be extremely careful about settings.

all it takes is to read what it asks when it asks and click the
appropriate button.

also, not storing anything on the computer is the opposite of easy.

> (NOTE: Installing software is not the same as executing software.)

no shit.

[Savageduck]

On 2015-01-07 00:51:36 +0000, Whitney Ryan <whitn...@nospam.invalid> said:

> Savageduck wrote, on Mon, 05 Jan 2015 20:48:34 -0800:
>
>> Yup! Learn how to use iTunes.
>
> I agree. If you use iTunes the way you're supposed to, it probably
> doesn't delete all your content. However, there is this little problem
> of the very many users who have lost all of their content accidentally
> using iTunes (some of which I posted URLs to in prior posts).
>
>> Your first mistake is to not maintain a full music library in iTunes.
>
> I agree. My concept of content is anything anywhere that the iDevice
> will play. If its not in a format that the iDevice will play it, then
> I convert it to a format that the iDevice will play.
>
> That means any computer. Any iDevice. Any content.
>
> And, I store none of that content on the computer, simply because
> I never play that content on my computer so it would be stupid to
> store it where it's never used.

It becomes your music warehouse. To be used when changine music on your
iOS devices, or building and adding new playlists to the same. So, your
use on that computer would not be playing the music, but something far
more important, maintaining a full library from where you can reload
your iOS device with fresh material, or adding old favorites.

>> If you then execute an
>> auto-sync iTunes will replace all of the music on your iOS device
>> effectively erasing all that was previously installed on the iDevice.
>
> We agree. This has happened to me, so I know it to be the case.
> You speak the truth!

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[nospam]

In article <2015010617525997942-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,

Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> >
> > And, I store none of that content on the computer, simply because
> > I never play that content on my computer so it would be stupid to
> > store it where it's never used.
>
> It becomes your music warehouse. To be used when changine music on your
> iOS devices, or building and adding new playlists to the same. So, your
> use on that computer would not be playing the music, but something far
> more important, maintaining a full library from where you can reload
> your iOS device with fresh material, or adding old favorites.

yep. get a 2tb drive (they're cheap) or repurpose an older drive,
depending on how much stuff you have.

no need to fuss with cds/dvds/tapes/vinyl.

a couple of clicks and any song/movie is synced.

*that* is easy and powerful.

[Whitney Ryan]

nospam wrote, on Tue, 06 Jan 2015 20:20:35 -0500:

> you posted a handful of links.
> meanwhile, hundreds of millions of users have no issue.

I agree with you.

I think it was BobbyK who said the use model works without
any flaws whatsoever.

On the other hand, Savageduck already outlined the specific
cases where iTunes will delete user content, and I myself
have painfully experienced those cases (as have others which
were listed in the Apple support page links).

So, there are two facts that I agree with you on:
1. The iTunes use model works for millions of people.
2. The iTunes use model does not easily support my use model.

My use model is so simple, that it belies repeating:

I copy any content from anywhere to anywhere else
simply by connecting any device to any computer and
bidirectionally sliding any playable content from anywhere
onto or off of that device.

This is done without installing or storing anything on
the computer (using standard device drivers such as
libimobiledevice or MTP).

[Whitney Ryan]

nospam wrote, on Tue, 06 Jan 2015 20:20:34 -0500:

> it needs all of that to work, some of which is useful outside of
> itunes, such as quicktime and in particular, bonjour.

:)

[BobbyK]

On Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:24:10 +0000 (UTC), Whitney Ryan
<whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>nospam wrote, on Tue, 06 Jan 2015 20:20:35 -0500:
>
>> you posted a handful of links.
>> meanwhile, hundreds of millions of users have no issue.
>
>I agree with you.
>
>I think it was BobbyK who said the use model works without
>any flaws whatsoever.

To be specific, I said that I have had it work perfectly for me.
I can't, and won't, speak for anyone else.

<clip>

[Whitney Ryan]

nospam wrote, on Tue, 06 Jan 2015 20:20:37 -0500:

> then ios devices are the wrong product for you.

Nope.

The only thing wrong for me is the iTunes model.

The devices are just devices. An iOS device is just something
that plays music or videos or makes a phone call from my
contact list. It's the same as an Android device, which does
exactly the same thing, and more.

It's not iOS that is wrong for me.
It's iTunes that's wrong for me.

Yet, iTunes is perfectly fine for millions of others, and that's
their market. Those millions of others probably don't even realize
they could copy content from any device to any other device using
any computer simply by sliding it over a wire, without installing
anything (other than basic hardware MTP, PTP, or libimobile drivers).

So, every time someone says the solution to the problem is iTunes,
it makes me laugh. It's like they're living in the Roman Empire,
following rules promulgated by the Emperor in Cupertino, and thinking
the only language in the world is Latin, and that the solution to
everything is to speak Latin.

[Whitney Ryan]

Savageduck wrote, on Tue, 06 Jan 2015 17:52:59 -0800:

> It becomes your music warehouse. To be used when changine music on your
> iOS devices, or building and adding new playlists to the same. So, your
> use on that computer would not be playing the music, but something far
> more important, maintaining a full library from where you can reload
> your iOS device with fresh material, or adding old favorites.

I understand your concept of a "music warehouse" being on a single
computer, and that's a fine use model for millions of people.

[nospam]

In article <m8i9hl$2q7$8...@news.albasani.net>, Whitney Ryan

<whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > then ios devices are the wrong product for you.
>
> Nope.

yes it is because you want it to work in ways for which it was never
designed. you're fighting it every step of the way and you're going to
lose.

get a product that works the way you want.

> The only thing wrong for me is the iTunes model.

only because you're stubborn and won't look at new and better ways of
doing things, which are not only more powerful but much simpler too.

> The devices are just devices. An iOS device is just something
> that plays music or videos or makes a phone call from my
> contact list. It's the same as an Android device, which does
> exactly the same thing, and more.

that's where you're *very* mistaken.

if you think an ios device is nothing more than a device that plays
music or makes calls then you are *not* using it anywhere close to its
potential. android is what you want, or even windows phone.

> It's not iOS that is wrong for me.
> It's iTunes that's wrong for me.

it's that ios and itunes is wrong for you.

stick with android and have fun micromanaging every little detail,
since you apparently get off on that nonsense.

meanwhile, the rest of the world can 'slide' whatever they want to it
with little more than a click or two and without even needing to find a
cable if they prefer (a little slower but the convenience makes up for
it).

they can even have it set to do it automatically, such as auto-sync
unwatched tv shows, without needing to lift a finger.

> Yet, iTunes is perfectly fine for millions of others, and that's
> their market. Those millions of others probably don't even realize
> they could copy content from any device to any other device using
> any computer simply by sliding it over a wire, without installing
> anything (other than basic hardware MTP, PTP, or libimobile drivers).
>
> So, every time someone says the solution to the problem is iTunes,
> it makes me laugh. It's like they're living in the Roman Empire,
> following rules promulgated by the Emperor in Cupertino, and thinking
> the only language in the world is Latin, and that the solution to
> everything is to speak Latin.

where do people come up with this shit?

not only is your analogy backwards, but there are *no* rules
promulgated by anyone, cupertino or elsewhere.

the user is *always* in control.

the itunes model does significantly more and with less effort on the
part of the user.

using your analogy, itunes is the modern world with power tools versus
the prehistoric era, where they might have had a sharp rock.

[Whitney Ryan]

nospam wrote, on Wed, 07 Jan 2015 00:31:26 -0500:

> the user is *always* in control.

:)

[Jamie Kahn Genet]

Whitney Ryan <whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> Is it possible to copy an app from one iOS device to another?
>
> I have a freeware app on one iPad that I'd like to "copy"
> (if possible) to another iPad with the same iOS, but I don't
> own that second iPad (it's an iPad of a friend of mine who
> could use the app, which is VLC, but the app itself shouldn't
> matter for this specific question).
>
> While I've never needed to copy an app from one mobile device
> to another before, on Android, the way I'd first try would be
> to copy the app's APK from the first device to the second,
> and then click on that APK to install it.
>
> That APK would be easy to create with any freeware backup
> app (such as App Backup & Restore) most of which easily save
> the APK file onto the mobile device SD card or computer HDD.
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.infolife.appbackup&hl=en
>
> Once the installer is saved, I'd just copy that installer file
> onto the second device, and doubleclick on it, to install it.
>
> Assuming the same mobile device hardware & iOS version, is it
> as easy to copy an app from the one iOS device to the other?

You can only copy an app's .ipa file (got at by syncing your iOS device
to iTunes on the desktop) to another device that you own, as each .ipa
file is locked to your App Store account.
--
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

[Jamie Kahn Genet]

Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote
> > Whitney Ryan <whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote
>
> >>> If your friend wants a free app, she should go to
> >>> the App Store on her Mac/Windows computer, or
> >>> on the iPad itself, and get it for free. Simple as that.
>
> >> Easy to say, and easy to do, if the app still
> >> exists in the app store, but it wasn't there
> >> this weekend, when I tried to get it for her.
>
> > then she's out of luck.
>
> Wrong, as always.

How? She'll have a different App Store account so the .ipa file won't
work for her.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-01-10, Jamie Kahn Genet <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote
>> > Whitney Ryan <whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote
>>
>> >>> If your friend wants a free app, she should go to
>> >>> the App Store on her Mac/Windows computer, or
>> >>> on the iPad itself, and get it for free. Simple as that.
>>
>> >> Easy to say, and easy to do, if the app still
>> >> exists in the app store, but it wasn't there
>> >> this weekend, when I tried to get it for her.
>>
>> > then she's out of luck.
>>
>> Wrong, as always.
>
> How? She'll have a different App Store account so the .ipa file won't
> work for her.

dorkZERO is a resident know-it-all troll from CSMA. You have been
warned. : )

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[Rod Speed]

Jamie Kahn Genet <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote

> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote
>>> Whitney Ryan <whitn...@nospam.invalid> wrote

>>>>> If your friend wants a free app, she should go to
>>>>> the App Store on her Mac/Windows computer, or
>>>>> on the iPad itself, and get it for free. Simple as that.

>>>> Easy to say, and easy to do, if the app still
>>>> exists in the app store, but it wasn't there
>>>> this weekend, when I tried to get it for her.

>>> then she's out of luck.

>> Wrong, as always.

> How?

Using iTools.

> She'll have a different App Store account so the .ipa file won't work for
> her.

That is only true of iTunes, not iTools.