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Dan
Feb 5, 2022, 5:13:34 AM2/5/22
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I am after a new phone, Xiaomai are out as far as I am concerned.
Their security updates are poor, if they do. Then it is months late.
I see on YouTube new Nokia X series. All it contains are well produced
videos showing off the specs.
No release date. Searching on the Internet, the usual indian websites
containing crap like "UBB 4". Really!!
I emailed Nokia UK. They do not know when these phones are going to be
released.
I like the Nokia X50 Pro. But when it is going to available in the UK?
I might buy an iPhone!!
Long term updates is what I am after.
Their security updates are poor, if they do. Then it is months late.
I see on YouTube new Nokia X series. All it contains are well produced
videos showing off the specs.
No release date. Searching on the Internet, the usual indian websites
containing crap like "UBB 4". Really!!
I emailed Nokia UK. They do not know when these phones are going to be
released.
I like the Nokia X50 Pro. But when it is going to available in the UK?
I might buy an iPhone!!
Long term updates is what I am after.
Joerg Lorenz
Feb 5, 2022, 5:26:52 AM2/5/22
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Am 05.02.22 um 11:13 schrieb Dan:
--
De gustibus non est disputandum
> I like the Nokia X50 Pro. But when it is going to available in the UK?
> I might buy an iPhone!!
>
> Long term updates is what I am after.
Then better buy an iPhone.
> I might buy an iPhone!!
>
> Long term updates is what I am after.
--
De gustibus non est disputandum
sms
Feb 5, 2022, 8:13:31 AM2/5/22
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minimum of five years for some flagship devices.
Dan
Feb 5, 2022, 8:46:12 AM2/5/22
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On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 05:13:32 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
wrote:
Agree, but the have so much bloat ware.
wrote:
Chris Green
Feb 5, 2022, 9:03:03 AM2/5/22
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of hopeful promise but not a lot of actual reality.
I bought a fairly 'budget' Umidigi instead and that has, as promised,
upgraded from Android 10 to 11 and works well for me in general. It
has very few 'extras' as well (extra apps that is) which is good.
--
Chris Green
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VanguardLH
Feb 5, 2022, 9:45:06 AM2/5/22
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Dan wrote:
> I see on YouTube new Nokia X series.
> No release date.
> I see on YouTube new Nokia X series.
> I emailed Nokia UK.
> They do not know when these phones are going to be released.
> I like the Nokia X50 Pro. But when it is going to available in the UK?
If Nokia UK doesn't know, and there has been no official announcement of
> They do not know when these phones are going to be released.
> I like the Nokia X50 Pro. But when it is going to available in the UK?
release to the UK market, not sure how anyone here would know, either.
If the phone is a flop with no penetration in the Indian market, it's
not likely to show up elsewhere. Due to population density (3 times the
USA), very low labor costs with salaries a twelfth of USA, and 48-hour
standard work week, assembly (not manufacture) in India is cheap. I
didn't bother looking up India vs China.
There are also supply issues. Reduction in chip availability can
further delay release into other markets. For example:
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/semiconductor-chip-shortage-forced-firms-to-curtail-production-eco-survey/articleshow/89243311.cms
https://www.asiafinancial.com/chips-crisis-forces-reliance-and-google-to-delay-india-smartphone-launch
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/india-unveils-10-bln-plan-woo-semiconductor-display-makers-2021-12-15/
Dan
Feb 5, 2022, 10:46:25 AM2/5/22
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quick regular patches.
This will be a very - very bad decision if Nokia does not get its head
out of the ground and
do something.
sms
Feb 5, 2022, 11:08:09 AM2/5/22
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On 2/5/2022 5:46 AM, Dan wrote:
<snip>
> Agree, but the have so much bloat ware.
It depends where you purchase the Samsung phone. The unlocked Samsung
phones, purchased direct from Samsung or some big box stores, don't have
much. The locked phones purchased from carriers have a lot.
<snip>
> Agree, but the have so much bloat ware.
phones, purchased direct from Samsung or some big box stores, don't have
much. The locked phones purchased from carriers have a lot.
sms
Feb 5, 2022, 11:13:42 AM2/5/22
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On 2/5/2022 6:45 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
<snip>
> There are also supply issues. Reduction in chip availability can
> further delay release into other markets. For example:
>
> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/semiconductor-chip-shortage-forced-firms-to-curtail-production-eco-survey/articleshow/89243311.cms
> https://www.asiafinancial.com/chips-crisis-forces-reliance-and-google-to-delay-india-smartphone-launch
> https://www.reuters.com/world/china/india-unveils-10-bln-plan-woo-semiconductor-display-makers-2021-12-15/
Having worked for a semiconductor company for many years, when there is
a shortage of fab capacity you use your available capacity for the most
profitable chips and those are probably not the chips going into low-end
phones. That's unless the chips for low-end phones are using an older
process technology for which there is sufficient capacity. Right now,
5nm capacity is at a premium, see
<https://www.techradar.com/news/tsmc-5nm-chip-bad-news>.
<snip>
> There are also supply issues. Reduction in chip availability can
> further delay release into other markets. For example:
>
> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/semiconductor-chip-shortage-forced-firms-to-curtail-production-eco-survey/articleshow/89243311.cms
> https://www.asiafinancial.com/chips-crisis-forces-reliance-and-google-to-delay-india-smartphone-launch
> https://www.reuters.com/world/china/india-unveils-10-bln-plan-woo-semiconductor-display-makers-2021-12-15/
a shortage of fab capacity you use your available capacity for the most
profitable chips and those are probably not the chips going into low-end
phones. That's unless the chips for low-end phones are using an older
process technology for which there is sufficient capacity. Right now,
5nm capacity is at a premium, see
<https://www.techradar.com/news/tsmc-5nm-chip-bad-news>.
Dan
Feb 5, 2022, 11:36:59 AM2/5/22
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Andy Burnelli
Feb 5, 2022, 4:55:04 PM2/5/22
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On Sat, 05 Feb 2022 10:13:31 +0000, Dan wrote:
> Long term updates is what I am after.
Regarding updates, most people are ignorant of this... but...
> Long term updates is what I am after.
As far as anyone knows, so far anyway, a huge portion of Android is updated
forever (and even then, it's donated to the AOSP to update even further).
*How long does GOOGLE say they'll update the two dozen core modules in project mainline?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/_ZUiLVtLbsg>
Andy Burnelli
Feb 5, 2022, 4:57:46 PM2/5/22
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On Sat, 05 Feb 2022 13:46:10 +0000, Dan wrote:
>>> Long term updates is what I am after.
>>
>>Samsung pushes out security updates for a minimum of four years, and a
>>minimum of five years for some flagship devices.
>
> Agree, but the have so much bloat ware.
What Samsung bloatware are you specifically talking about?
>>> Long term updates is what I am after.
>>
>>Samsung pushes out security updates for a minimum of four years, and a
>>minimum of five years for some flagship devices.
>
> Agree, but the have so much bloat ware.
I have an unrooted Samsung Galaxy A32-5G and I have no problem with that.
<https://i.postimg.cc/7LmRqXNn/organize01.jpg>
What Samsung bloatware are you talking about that bothers you so much?
Andy Burnelli
Feb 5, 2022, 5:02:23 PM2/5/22
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On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 08:08:09 -0800, sms wrote:
> The locked phones purchased from carriers have a lot.
Hi Steve,
> The locked phones purchased from carriers have a lot.
Facts please.
Not bullshit.
I have a free locked Samsung phone from the carrier.
I don't have _any_ problem disabling what I consider bloatware.
And I'm probably more stringent on that definition than most people.
Could it be that your belief system, again, is based on no facts?
I suspect this "Dan" troll also has a belief system based on zero facts.
Maybe your belief system (and the trolls' too) is based on facts perhaps?
Tell me.
What bloatware are you talking about that is bothersome to the user
and that the user can't easily disable, or delete please?
Facts please.
Not bullshit.
Facts.
Andy Burnelli
Feb 5, 2022, 5:06:27 PM2/5/22
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On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 14:02:49 +0000, Chris Green wrote:
> I bought a fairly 'budget' Umidigi instead and that has, as promised,
> upgraded from Android 10 to 11 and works well for me in general. It
> has very few 'extras' as well (extra apps that is) which is good.
Given, like Windows, almost _all_ the Android operating system functionality
> I bought a fairly 'budget' Umidigi instead and that has, as promised,
> upgraded from Android 10 to 11 and works well for me in general. It
> has very few 'extras' as well (extra apps that is) which is good.
is updated completely outside the Android version, for a modern operating
system like Android, the version doesn't matter.
The only folks who are _desperate_ for the latest version are the iOS folks
because they can't get even a single line of code fixed without releasing
the entire primitive monolithic operating system mechanism.
For further details, see:
*Why I believe the Android version doesn't matterf*
as much as some people (aka iKooks) think it does
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/gzG52aKOloA>
--
Most people hate facts because they conflict with their belief systems.
Andy Burnelli
Feb 5, 2022, 5:09:08 PM2/5/22
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On Sat, 05 Feb 2022 15:46:22 +0000, Dan wrote:
> Then they have lost their competitive edge - no bloat Android with
> quick regular patches.
> This will be a very - very bad decision if Nokia does not get its head
> out of the ground and
> do something.
It's hard to tell whether you should blame Nokia for not telling you or
> Then they have lost their competitive edge - no bloat Android with
> quick regular patches.
> This will be a very - very bad decision if Nokia does not get its head
> out of the ground and
> do something.
yourself for not understanding that the vast majority of Android is updated
independently of the security patches and Android version.
How long does GOOGLE say they'll update the two dozen core modules
Andy Burnelli
Feb 5, 2022, 5:13:44 PM2/5/22
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On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 11:26:51 +0100, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Long term updates is what I am after.
>
> Then better buy an iPhone.
*The inescapable problem with iPhones is they are _always_ out of date*
>> Long term updates is what I am after.
>
> Then better buy an iPhone.
Ignorant people like Joerg have no concept that the primitive iPhone update
mechanism is so atrocious that people clamor for Apple to be like Android.
Don't believe me?
Read this.
*Why Apple should provide standalone updates for native iOS apps*
<https://9to5mac.com/2022/01/21/heres-why-apple-should-provide-standalone-updates-for-native-ios-apps/>
--
Most ignorant people like Joerg are immune to even simple facts.
Dan
Feb 6, 2022, 3:50:20 AM2/6/22
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sms
Feb 6, 2022, 9:58:37 AM2/6/22
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On 2/6/2022 12:50 AM, Dan wrote:
<snip>
> I am defiantly not a Troll.
LOL, "defiantly" or "definitely," both work.
The reality is that phones sold by carriers, except for iPhones, have
"bloatware" that can't be removed without rooting the phone and
installing a different ROM; this is often not even possible as some
manufacturers won't let you root their devices.
From the opening screen, to carrier specific apps, the uninstallable
apps are annoying, but not really a big deal. You can move the icons off
to a separate screen where you never see them.
In the U.S., the savings by buying a subsidized phone from the carrier,
as long as you don't plan to change carriers, can be significant, all
the way up to free, and it makes sense to take advantage of these offers
when they become available because there's no discount for not taking
the subsidy. Even the prepaid MVNOs frequently have heavily discounted
phones, especially the previous year's models. Some of these phones are
locked down hard (iPhones and Samsung phones) and some are trivial to
unlock.
Lately there are a lot of good deals on phones from carriers, phones
that will be automatically unlocked after 60 days, and that cost very
little.
You can get a mid-range, non-5G phone for around $25 with the trade in
of any Android device. I have one coming Monday, and I'm thrilled to be
able to send them my old Moto G for recycling instead of it going to the
landfill.
A mid-range 5G mmWave phone can be purchased for under $100, including
the 60 days of service before it is automatically unlocked. I have one
of those coming Monday too.
I also got a "free" 5G (no mmWave) phone from my broadband provider
whose bizarre pricing model gives you 600 Mb/s Internet service for $35,
including one line of their Verizon MVNO phone service, but without
taking the phone service it costs $60. The phone comes locked, but I
paid less than $3 to have it unlocked so if someone on my 4 line plan
needs a new phone they can have it.
Nokia phones are not very common in the U.S. ever since HMD Global
licensed the Nokia brand name and began selling low-end to mid-range phones.
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“The Great Tragedy of Science—The Slaying of a Beautiful Hypothesis by
an Ugly Fact.” ― Thomas Henry Huxley
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<snip>
> I am defiantly not a Troll.
The reality is that phones sold by carriers, except for iPhones, have
"bloatware" that can't be removed without rooting the phone and
installing a different ROM; this is often not even possible as some
manufacturers won't let you root their devices.
From the opening screen, to carrier specific apps, the uninstallable
apps are annoying, but not really a big deal. You can move the icons off
to a separate screen where you never see them.
In the U.S., the savings by buying a subsidized phone from the carrier,
as long as you don't plan to change carriers, can be significant, all
the way up to free, and it makes sense to take advantage of these offers
when they become available because there's no discount for not taking
the subsidy. Even the prepaid MVNOs frequently have heavily discounted
phones, especially the previous year's models. Some of these phones are
locked down hard (iPhones and Samsung phones) and some are trivial to
unlock.
Lately there are a lot of good deals on phones from carriers, phones
that will be automatically unlocked after 60 days, and that cost very
little.
You can get a mid-range, non-5G phone for around $25 with the trade in
of any Android device. I have one coming Monday, and I'm thrilled to be
able to send them my old Moto G for recycling instead of it going to the
landfill.
A mid-range 5G mmWave phone can be purchased for under $100, including
the 60 days of service before it is automatically unlocked. I have one
of those coming Monday too.
I also got a "free" 5G (no mmWave) phone from my broadband provider
whose bizarre pricing model gives you 600 Mb/s Internet service for $35,
including one line of their Verizon MVNO phone service, but without
taking the phone service it costs $60. The phone comes locked, but I
paid less than $3 to have it unlocked so if someone on my 4 line plan
needs a new phone they can have it.
Nokia phones are not very common in the U.S. ever since HMD Global
licensed the Nokia brand name and began selling low-end to mid-range phones.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
“The Great Tragedy of Science—The Slaying of a Beautiful Hypothesis by
an Ugly Fact.” ― Thomas Henry Huxley
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Dan
Feb 6, 2022, 11:07:04 AM2/6/22
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 06:58:35 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
wrote:
>an Ugly Fact.” ? Thomas Henry Huxley
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I see your point, but I have a SIM only deal. So I need an unlocked
phone 5G - one which is not bottom end.
Nokia was looking good but now I wonder what is available now.
New Samsung Galaxy is being launched soon. But at over£1000.
Too much for a mobile since a semi respectable gaming laptop costs
similar.
wrote:
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I see your point, but I have a SIM only deal. So I need an unlocked
phone 5G - one which is not bottom end.
Nokia was looking good but now I wonder what is available now.
New Samsung Galaxy is being launched soon. But at over£1000.
Too much for a mobile since a semi respectable gaming laptop costs
similar.
Theo
Feb 6, 2022, 11:18:54 AM2/6/22
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Would a Pixel be an option? Particularly the Pixel 6 and 6 Pro.
Guaranteed security updates out to October 2026:
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en-GB
Theo
Guaranteed security updates out to October 2026:
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en-GB
Theo
Theo
Feb 6, 2022, 11:25:01 AM2/6/22
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https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/09/fairphone-4-has-an-incredible-5-year-warranty-aims-for-6-years-of-updates/
although it uses Qualcomm silicon which goes out of support after 2025,
so the rest is on a best-effort basis.
Theo
Dan
Feb 6, 2022, 2:52:12 PM2/6/22
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On 06 Feb 2022 16:18:51 +0000 (GMT), Theo
It looks good. But I wonder. Any NHS scheme?
Because I work for the NHS.
Because I work for the NHS.
Joerg Lorenz
Feb 6, 2022, 3:01:43 PM2/6/22
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Am 06.02.22 um 17:24 schrieb Theo:
That is still ridiculously bad compared to iOS.
The current iOS 15 is still running on an iPhone 6s which was brought to
market in 2015.
The current iOS 15 is still running on an iPhone 6s which was brought to
market in 2015.
Joerg Lorenz
Feb 6, 2022, 3:04:03 PM2/6/22
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Am 06.02.22 um 21:01 schrieb Joerg Lorenz:
> That is still ridiculously bad compared to iOS.
> The current iOS 15 is still running on an iPhone 6s which was brought to
> market in 2015.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_15
> The current iOS 15 is still running on an iPhone 6s which was brought to
> market in 2015.
Theo
Feb 6, 2022, 4:24:10 PM2/6/22
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Dan <dannew...@outlookspamxxx.com> wrote:
> It looks good. But I wonder. Any NHS scheme?
> Because I work for the NHS.
If you mean a discount for buying from Google, I doubt it. However it seems
> It looks good. But I wonder. Any NHS scheme?
> Because I work for the NHS.
to be available on all the major UK networks, so if the NHS gets you any
discount at O2/Vodafone/EE/Three then they will sell you a Pixel 6. Perhaps
likewise if you mean as a work phone and your work sources phones from those
networks (and doesn't impose other restrictions).
Theo
Andy Burnelli
Feb 6, 2022, 4:24:31 PM2/6/22
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 21:01:42 +0100, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> That is still ridiculously bad compared to iOS.
> The current iOS 15 is still running on an iPhone 6s which was brought to
> market in 2015.
As always, the iOS iKooks are ignorant of how all modern OS's update.
> That is still ridiculously bad compared to iOS.
> The current iOS 15 is still running on an iPhone 6s which was brought to
> market in 2015.
What these iKooks like Joerg don't understand, and never will, is that iOS
uses a _completely_ different monolithic update mechanism.
No other modern operating system uses the primitive update that iOS uses.
*The fact is that iOS is _already_ out of date even as it ships.*
Andy Burnelli
Feb 6, 2022, 4:25:15 PM2/6/22
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 21:04:02 +0100, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_15
The problem with iOS is that it uses an outdated primitive update mechanism.
Luckily Android (and all modern operating systems) is _not_ monolithic.
a. If there's a bug in Chrome, they can fix it without a new OS release.
b. If there's a bug in Safari, they can't.
That means iOS will _always_ be out of date.
Worse...
a. Safari won't even work on an older iOS device.
b. Chrome will.
As always, the iOS iKooks are ignorant of how all modern OS's update.
All they know is the primitive monolithic iOS update clusterfuck.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_15
The problem with iOS is that it uses an outdated primitive update mechanism.
Luckily Android (and all modern operating systems) is _not_ monolithic.
a. If there's a bug in Chrome, they can fix it without a new OS release.
b. If there's a bug in Safari, they can't.
That means iOS will _always_ be out of date.
Worse...
a. Safari won't even work on an older iOS device.
b. Chrome will.
As always, the iOS iKooks are ignorant of how all modern OS's update.
Andy Burnelli
Feb 6, 2022, 4:28:27 PM2/6/22
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 08:50:16 +0000, Dan wrote:
> I am defiantly not a Troll.
OK. I'll believe you.
> I am defiantly not a Troll.
But on what basis do you make your claims of bloatware?
As I told Steve, I'm likely as sensitive to such things as anyone is.
My free Galaxy A32-5G is perfectly manageable in terms of bloatware.
<https://i.postimg.cc/7LmRqXNn/organize01.jpg>
That's the only reason I ask for the facts.
I base my belief system on assessments of fact.
Andy Burnelli
Feb 6, 2022, 4:41:21 PM2/6/22
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 06:58:35 -0800, sms wrote:
> The reality is that phones sold by carriers, except for iPhones, have
> "bloatware" that can't be removed without rooting the phone and
> installing a different ROM; this is often not even possible as some
> manufacturers won't let you root their devices.
Steve,
> The reality is that phones sold by carriers, except for iPhones, have
> "bloatware" that can't be removed without rooting the phone and
> installing a different ROM; this is often not even possible as some
> manufacturers won't let you root their devices.
I hate to provide facts to you but I own iPhones & iPads too you know.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg>
Definitely iOS comes with a shit ton of bloatware, some of which, defiantly
so, can't even be removed.
That's just a fact.
I know you don't like facts.
But the fact you don't like facts doesn't change the fact they are facts.
While iOS is filled with bloatware, what it doesn't come with is _carrier_
based bloatware, which is a different thing than pure bloatware.
'Cuz there's tons of bloatware on iOS, straight from Apple.
> From the opening screen, to carrier specific apps, the uninstallable
> apps are annoying, but not really a big deal. You can move the icons off
> to a separate screen where you never see them.
With _some_ bloatware on both iOS and on Android, you can't.
At least on Android (but not on iOS) for those, you can hide the icons.
It's yet again, another of the umpteen facts showing how crippled iOS is in
that it can't do something like this, which is about as simple as it gets.
> In the U.S., the savings by buying a subsidized phone from the carrier,
> as long as you don't plan to change carriers, can be significant, all
> the way up to free, and it makes sense to take advantage of these offers
> when they become available because there's no discount for not taking
> the subsidy.
plenty of others, there is only the choice of the big three.
And once you choose one of the big three, you stick with them for years.
Hence them adding a two-year stipulation is nothing, especially if you ever
did want to leave, you just pay off the free phone (on only what's left).
In essence, there is no downside to the free devices, where I even have a
handful of free HP Stream laptops, which, I must admit, suck in that they
are hard coded to 32GB of permanent primary storage (so a 400GB sdcard is de
rigueur just to augment that lousy primary storage limitation).
> Even the prepaid MVNOs frequently have heavily discounted
> phones, especially the previous year's models. Some of these phones are
> locked down hard (iPhones and Samsung phones) and some are trivial to
> unlock.
where I'm perfectly happy with my T-Mobile family plan of $25/month/phone
<https://i.postimg.cc/nhpbcP50/tmopromo04.jpg>
Is all that MVNO machination worth the effort? Dunno.
> Lately there are a lot of good deals on phones from carriers, phones
> that will be automatically unlocked after 60 days, and that cost very
> little.
*Selecting an Unlocked, Mid-Range, Phone*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/qe7lsYEtKag>
> You can get a mid-range, non-5G phone for around $25 with the trade in
> of any Android device. I have one coming Monday, and I'm thrilled to be
> able to send them my old Moto G for recycling instead of it going to the
> landfill.
> A mid-range 5G mmWave phone can be purchased for under $100, including
> the 60 days of service before it is automatically unlocked. I have one
> of those coming Monday too.
*Good $200 Android phone please*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/EoqHQGrRtic>
> I also got a "free" 5G (no mmWave) phone from my broadband provider
> whose bizarre pricing model gives you 600 Mb/s Internet service for $35,
> including one line of their Verizon MVNO phone service, but without
> taking the phone service it costs $60. The phone comes locked, but I
> paid less than $3 to have it unlocked so if someone on my 4 line plan
> needs a new phone they can have it.
>
> Nokia phones are not very common in the U.S. ever since HMD Global
> licensed the Nokia brand name and began selling low-end to mid-range phones.
*My First 5G Phone Arrived Yesterday*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/eTNSvuG8VvM>
Andy Burnelli
Feb 6, 2022, 4:44:33 PM2/6/22
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 16:07:00 +0000, Dan wrote:
> I see your point, but I have a SIM only deal. So I need an unlocked
> phone 5G - one which is not bottom end.
> Nokia was looking good but now I wonder what is available now.
> New Samsung Galaxy is being launched soon. But at over£1000.
> Too much for a mobile since a semi respectable gaming laptop costs
> similar.
Steve opened a thread on good mid-range phones which is referenced here.
> I see your point, but I have a SIM only deal. So I need an unlocked
> phone 5G - one which is not bottom end.
> Nokia was looking good but now I wonder what is available now.
> New Samsung Galaxy is being launched soon. But at over£1000.
> Too much for a mobile since a semi respectable gaming laptop costs
> similar.
*Selecting an Unlocked, Mid-Range, Phone*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/qe7lsYEtKag>
Since we also have a thread on low-end phones, what we're missing is higher
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end phones from about $800 and up (but that's for someone else to write).
sms
Feb 6, 2022, 7:42:11 PM2/6/22
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On 2/6/2022 8:07 AM, Dan wrote:
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> I see your point, but I have a SIM only deal. So I need an unlocked
> phone 5G - one which is not bottom end.
> Nokia was looking good but now I wonder what is available now.
> New Samsung Galaxy is being launched soon. But at over£1000.
> Too much for a mobile since a semi respectable gaming laptop costs
> similar.
I think the best mid-range unlocked Android would be the Samsung Galaxy
> phone 5G - one which is not bottom end.
> Nokia was looking good but now I wonder what is available now.
> New Samsung Galaxy is being launched soon. But at over£1000.
> Too much for a mobile since a semi respectable gaming laptop costs
> similar.
A52 5G or A52s 5G. These are just below the flagship level, not low-end
like the A32 5G.
Dan
Feb 7, 2022, 1:38:48 AM2/7/22
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Nokia phones have no added company specific add ons.
The A52 5G is looking good.
Dan
Feb 7, 2022, 1:40:35 AM2/7/22
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On 06 Feb 2022 21:24:07 +0000 (GMT), Theo
This will be a unlocked sim free phone. I used to travel a lot. So I
need a phone that is unlocked.
need a phone that is unlocked.
sms
Feb 7, 2022, 2:29:41 AM2/7/22
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On 2/6/2022 10:38 PM, Dan wrote:
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> I have seen Nokia vs others, it is so different.
> Nokia phones have no added company specific add ons.
> The A52 5G is looking good.
I would hurry!
Samsung is releasing the A53 5G which is essentially a decontented A52s 5G.
The A52s 5G is an upgraded A52 5G, and is not sold in the U.S.
unfortunately. The A53 is predicted to lose the headphone jack, the
MicroSD card slot, and MST.
The unlocked A52 5G has been increasing in price in the U.S.. In
December you could buy it for around $400, now it's around $500, though
Samsung still has some discounts on it.
The most annoying thing missing from the A series phones is wireless
charging.
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> I have seen Nokia vs others, it is so different.
> Nokia phones have no added company specific add ons.
> The A52 5G is looking good.
Samsung is releasing the A53 5G which is essentially a decontented A52s 5G.
The A52s 5G is an upgraded A52 5G, and is not sold in the U.S.
unfortunately. The A53 is predicted to lose the headphone jack, the
MicroSD card slot, and MST.
The unlocked A52 5G has been increasing in price in the U.S.. In
December you could buy it for around $400, now it's around $500, though
Samsung still has some discounts on it.
The most annoying thing missing from the A series phones is wireless
charging.
Theo
Feb 7, 2022, 5:08:22 AM2/7/22
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Dan <dannew...@outlookspamxxx.com> wrote:
> On 06 Feb 2022 21:24:07 +0000 (GMT), Theo
> <theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>
> >Dan <dannew...@outlookspamxxx.com> wrote:
> >> It looks good. But I wonder. Any NHS scheme?
> >> Because I work for the NHS.
> >
> >If you mean a discount for buying from Google, I doubt it. However it seems
> >to be available on all the major UK networks, so if the NHS gets you any
> >discount at O2/Vodafone/EE/Three then they will sell you a Pixel 6. Perhaps
> >likewise if you mean as a work phone and your work sources phones from those
> >networks (and doesn't impose other restrictions).
>
> On 06 Feb 2022 21:24:07 +0000 (GMT), Theo
> <theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>
> >Dan <dannew...@outlookspamxxx.com> wrote:
> >> It looks good. But I wonder. Any NHS scheme?
> >> Because I work for the NHS.
> >
> >If you mean a discount for buying from Google, I doubt it. However it seems
> >to be available on all the major UK networks, so if the NHS gets you any
> >discount at O2/Vodafone/EE/Three then they will sell you a Pixel 6. Perhaps
> >likewise if you mean as a work phone and your work sources phones from those
> >networks (and doesn't impose other restrictions).
>
> This will be a unlocked sim free phone. I used to travel a lot. So I
> need a phone that is unlocked.
I don't think networks sell locked phones any more, but if you have an
> need a phone that is unlocked.
existing locked phone unlocking is cheap and easy, and you don't have to be
a customer of theirs (eg it's fine if you buy a locked phone from ebay).
For EE it's £8.99 for example.
Networks will sell the Pixel 6 (Pro) on PAYG.
Theo
David Higton
Feb 7, 2022, 9:20:32 AM2/7/22
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David
Dan <dannew...@outlookSPAMXXX.com> wrote:
> I have seen Nokia vs others, it is so different.
> Nokia phones have no added company specific add ons.
> The A52 5G is looking good.
I have had an A52 5G for a few months now, and I'm very pleased with it.
> I have seen Nokia vs others, it is so different.
> Nokia phones have no added company specific add ons.
> The A52 5G is looking good.
David
Dan
Feb 7, 2022, 1:24:25 PM2/7/22
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On 07 Feb 2022 10:08:19 +0000 (GMT), Theo
Great and thanks.
Dan
Feb 7, 2022, 1:24:59 PM2/7/22
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Andy Burnelli
Feb 7, 2022, 4:14:27 PM2/7/22
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On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 06:38:43 +0000, Dan wrote:
>>That's the only reason I ask for the facts.
>>I base my belief system on assessments of fact.
>
> I have seen Nokia vs others, it is so different.
> Nokia phones have no added company specific add ons.
I'm not gonna disagree or agree that Nokia is low on bloatware as I wouldn't
>>That's the only reason I ask for the facts.
>>I base my belief system on assessments of fact.
>
> I have seen Nokia vs others, it is so different.
> Nokia phones have no added company specific add ons.
know, but all I was saying is that _my_ Samsung isn't bad (IMHO) in that
anything I didn't want to see, I don't see.
And I'm a picky consumer at removing crap from Google and Samsung too!
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> The A52 5G is looking good.
a range of features that the mid to high end phones often have.
Me?
I got my handful of A32-5G phones for free so I didn't choose them.
The only phone I chose recently was my iPhone 12 mini (128GB).
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For advice on mid-range phones, look to what Steve suggests, not me.
Steve cares about a lot of things I don't care about (like wireless charging
or MST or ANT+, etc.) but that which you might want (for all I know).
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