Why is the most important difference between iOS & Android NOT in the Google Doc?

[REVIEW SMS GOOGLE DOC]

Why is the most important feature in Android not in the Google Doc?
https://blog.esper.io/what-is-project-mainline/

[Bugsy]

REVIEW SMS GOOGLE DOC <rev...@smsgoogledoc.com> wrote:

> Why is the most important feature in Android not in the Google Doc?
> https://blog.esper.io/what-is-project-mainline/

Tbe major difference between the two phone lines is that Apple promises to
keep you safe and Google promises not to be evil - and both do neither.
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[sms]

On 2/6/2023 7:37 AM, Bugsy wrote:
> REVIEW SMS GOOGLE DOC <rev...@smsgoogledoc.com> wrote:
>
>> Why is the most important feature in Android not in the Google Doc?
>> https://blog.esper.io/what-is-project-mainline/
>
> Tbe major difference between the two phone lines is that Apple promises to
> keep you safe and Google promises not to be evil - and both do neither.

LOL, actually iOS also promises to protect your privacy. If you use
Google's services, whether on iOS or Android, you should not expect privacy.

--
“How beautiful it is to stay silent when someone expects you to be
enraged.” ― Giada De Laurentiis

[nospam]

In article <trro1u$36ock$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> LOL, actually iOS also promises to protect your privacy.

it does in a variety of ways.

> If you use
> Google's services, whether on iOS or Android, you should not expect privacy.

google's services are not part of ios.

[Bernd Froehlich]

On 6. Feb 2023 at 16:37:55 CET, "Bugsy" <bu...@zimage.comBUGSY> wrote:

> Google promises not to be evil

That was a loooong time ago...

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 07.02.23 um 09:00 schrieb Bernd Froehlich:

> On 6. Feb 2023 at 16:37:55 CET, "Bugsy" <bu...@zimage.comBUGSY> wrote:
>
>> Google promises not to be evil
>
> That was a loooong time ago...

Google gets more evil every day. I avoid them wherever I can.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

[badgolferman]

Bugsy <bu...@zimage.comBUGSY> wrote:
> REVIEW SMS GOOGLE DOC <rev...@smsgoogledoc.com> wrote:
>
>> Why is the most important feature in Android not in the Google Doc?
>> https://blog.esper.io/what-is-project-mainline/
>
> Tbe major difference between the two phone lines is that Apple promises to
> keep you safe and Google promises not to be evil - and both do neither.

As opposed to the government which promises to keep you safe and to not be
evil yet fails at both. The difference is the government can actually harm
you.

[sms]

I still like the Gmail man video
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR4jTvxPruw>.

[Bugsy]

badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> Why is the most important feature in Android not in the Google Doc?
>>> https://blog.esper.io/what-is-project-mainline/
>>
>> Tbe major difference between the two phone lines is that Apple promises to
>> keep you safe and Google promises not to be evil - and both do neither.
>
> As opposed to the government which promises to keep you safe and to not be
> evil yet fails at both. The difference is the government can actually harm
> you.

Can't agree more with you on the government and Apple and Google saying
they are spying on you so that they can keep you safe from harm.

I read the esper blog. Did you read it? I didn't really understand it.
What do you think of what it says?

[RonTheGuy]

On Feb 07, 2023, sms wrote
(in article<news:trttmb$3qafi$2...@dont-email.me>):

>>> Google promises not to be evil
>>
>> That was a loooong time ago...
>
> I still like the Gmail man video
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR4jTvxPruw>.

I liked the part where the lady with a cat named Dandy overcooked her
lasagna and the GMail man wanted to give her advertisements for an itching
ointment. "The two get together and an ad is born."

Where do those ads go though?
They're not sent into the gmail email account itself, are they?

Ron, the humblest guy in town.

[Alan Browne]

Google stopped this practice long ago. They get data on people elsewise
- in large part from companies that sell their data about you to them
via various aggregators.

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

[RonTheGuy]

On Feb 07, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<news:OLvEL.71818$jiuc....@fx44.iad>):

>> Where do those ads go though?
>> They're not sent into the gmail email account itself, are they?
>
> Google stopped this practice long ago. They get data on people elsewise
> - in large part from companies that sell their data about you to them
> via various aggregators.

Thanks for letting me know Google stopped scanning the email for things to
send you ads about but where do those ads you spoke about show up?

I see some ads when I browse the web. Is it there?
There are some ads that I see when I use some apps. Is it there?

How do I know if an ad is a targeted ad from Google or just random?

[Alan Browne]

All sorts of sites gather data on what you're looking at and sell that
info to Google, Amazon, etc. and so on. via various aggregators who have
"hooks" built into those site web pages.

There are various "blockers" you can install in your browser, or use an
up to date version of Safari, that will reduce that. There are services
you can pay that will (claimed) go about demanding your private data be
removed. No idea how effective that is.

You don't 'know' if it's targeted, but I wouldn't lean to coincidence
very much.

[The Real Bev]

On 2/6/23 7:37 AM, Bugsy wrote:
> REVIEW SMS GOOGLE DOC <rev...@smsgoogledoc.com> wrote:
>
>> Why is the most important feature in Android not in the Google Doc?
>> https://blog.esper.io/what-is-project-mainline/
>
> Tbe major difference between the two phone lines is that Apple promises to
> keep you safe and Google promises not to be evil - and both do neither.

I thought google stopped promising that.


--
Cheers, Bev
Salesmen welcome -- dog food is expensive

[The Real Bev]

On 2/7/23 1:27 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 07.02.23 um 09:00 schrieb Bernd Froehlich:
>> On 6. Feb 2023 at 16:37:55 CET, "Bugsy" <bu...@zimage.comBUGSY> wrote:
>>
>>> Google promises not to be evil
>>
>> That was a loooong time ago...
>
> Google gets more evil every day. I avoid them wherever I can.

They may be evil, but they sure are convenient.

[The Real Bev]

On 2/7/23 10:49 AM, RonTheGuy wrote:
> On Feb 07, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
> (in article<news:OLvEL.71818$jiuc....@fx44.iad>):
>
>>> Where do those ads go though?
>>> They're not sent into the gmail email account itself, are they?
>>
>> Google stopped this practice long ago. They get data on people elsewise
>> - in large part from companies that sell their data about you to them
>> via various aggregators.
>
> Thanks for letting me know Google stopped scanning the email for things to
> send you ads about but where do those ads you spoke about show up?
>
> I see some ads when I browse the web. Is it there?
> There are some ads that I see when I use some apps. Is it there?

No idea. I use adblock plus, ublock origin and a hosts file. The only
ads I see are the ones youtube forces you to watch for a few seconds
before they let you click SKIP. I have also trained my mind to not
actually see ads -- billboards, etc.

> How do I know if an ad is a targeted ad from Google or just random?

I don't understand why people don't use adblockers. Can you explain?

[Alan Browne]

On 2023-02-07 14:36, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 2/7/23 1:27 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 07.02.23 um 09:00 schrieb Bernd Froehlich:
>>> On 6. Feb 2023 at 16:37:55 CET, "Bugsy" <bu...@zimage.comBUGSY> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Google promises not to be evil
>>>
>>> That was a loooong time ago...
>>
>> Google gets more evil every day. I avoid them wherever I can.
>
> They may be evil, but they sure are convenient.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[Alan Browne]

On 2023-02-07 14:41, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 2/7/23 10:49 AM, RonTheGuy wrote:
>> On Feb 07, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
>> (in article<news:OLvEL.71818$jiuc....@fx44.iad>):
>>
>>>> Where do those ads go though?
>>>> They're not sent into the gmail email account itself, are they?
>>>
>>> Google stopped this practice long ago.  They get data on people
>>> elsewise - in large part from companies that sell their data about
>>> you to them via various aggregators.
>>
>> Thanks for letting me know Google stopped scanning the email for
>> things to
>> send you ads about but where do those ads you spoke about show up?
>>
>> I see some ads when I browse the web. Is it there?
>> There are some ads that I see when I use some apps. Is it there?
>
> No idea.  I use adblock plus, ublock origin and a hosts file.  The only
> ads I see are the ones youtube forces you to watch for a few seconds
> before they let you click SKIP.  I have also trained my mind to not
> actually see ads -- billboards, etc.

There is a YT ad blocker.

>
>> How do I know if an ad is a targeted ad from Google or just random?
>
> I don't understand why people don't use adblockers.  Can you explain?

Some sites require you remove the adblocker to see them. Some are even
worth it - at least temporarily.

[The Real Bev]

On 2/7/23 11:45 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-02-07 14:41, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 2/7/23 10:49 AM, RonTheGuy wrote:
>>> On Feb 07, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
>>> (in article<news:OLvEL.71818$jiuc....@fx44.iad>):
>>>
>>>>> Where do those ads go though?
>>>>> They're not sent into the gmail email account itself, are they?
>>>>
>>>> Google stopped this practice long ago.  They get data on people
>>>> elsewise - in large part from companies that sell their data about
>>>> you to them via various aggregators.
>>>
>>> Thanks for letting me know Google stopped scanning the email for
>>> things to
>>> send you ads about but where do those ads you spoke about show up?
>>>
>>> I see some ads when I browse the web. Is it there?
>>> There are some ads that I see when I use some apps. Is it there?
>>
>> No idea.  I use adblock plus, ublock origin and a hosts file.  The only
>> ads I see are the ones youtube forces you to watch for a few seconds
>> before they let you click SKIP.  I have also trained my mind to not
>> actually see ads -- billboards, etc.
>
> There is a YT ad blocker.

I don't use it enough to worry about it.

>>> How do I know if an ad is a targeted ad from Google or just random?
>>
>> I don't understand why people don't use adblockers.  Can you explain?
>
> Some sites require you remove the adblocker to see them. Some are even
> worth it - at least temporarily.

Back when I bothered it frequently didn't work because of the contents
of my hosts file, which I wasn't about to rename and then rename again.

--
Cheers, Bev
"I am working for the time when unqualified blacks, browns and
women join the unqualified men in running our government"
-- Cissy Farenthold

[nospam]

In article <truabu$3rn67$1...@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev

<bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>
> >> I don't understand why people don't use adblockers.  Can you explain?
> >
> > Some sites require you remove the adblocker to see them. Some are even
> > worth it - at least temporarily.
>
> Back when I bothered it frequently didn't work because of the contents
> of my hosts file, which I wasn't about to rename and then rename again.

it's much easier to use an adblocker, which is constantly kept up to
date and can also be easily disabled if necessary.

[Andy Burnelli]

The Real Bev wrote:

> No idea. I use adblock plus, ublock origin and a hosts file.

Hi The Real Bev,

IMHO... Nobody should see ads or even targeted ads on Android.
They should only see that on iOS (Seriously. See below for proof.)

I always care that people, you and the lurkers, get accurate information.
And I realize the iKooks (viciously) _hate_ that I give accurate data.

So be it...

AFAIK, you can't easily change a hosts file on an iPhone or Android without
root but if you know what you're doing, you can use free system firewalls.

But not on iOS (which is crippled by Apple preventing app functionality).

You used to be able to push a hosts file to Android from Windows though.
https://www.howtogeek.com/140576/how-to-edit-the-hosts-file-on-android-and-block-web-sites/
Never on iOS.

On ad blockers, you can use a free firewall which will also block ads.
<https://netguard.me/>
But not on iOS (all by its itty bitty self, nospam).

Bear in mind the NetGuard on the Google Play Store is prevented, by Google,
from doing all of its really nice magic on ad blocks - so sideload instead.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.faircode.netguard>

If I haven't mentioned it before, one of the _biggest_ difference between
iOS and Android is Apple prevents tons of app functionality. Google can't.

> The only
> ads I see are the ones youtube forces you to watch for a few seconds
> before they let you click SKIP.

It always amazes me when people talk about problems that don't exist.
All your problems should only exist on iOS; not ever on Android, Bev.

You're on Android, The Real Bev, right?
So why don't you just use the free FOSS Google YouTube client instead?
<https://newpipe.net/>
It never shows any ads (and it can do other things like downloading).

This is not possible on iOS no matter how much nospam lies about it.

If I haven't mentioned it before, one of the _biggest_ difference between
iOS and Android is Apple prevents tons of app functionality. Google can't.

> I have also trained my mind to not
> actually see ads -- billboards, etc.

I do the same. Except for the moving ones... oh look! A squirrel!!!!
:)

>> How do I know if an ad is a targeted ad from Google or just random?
>
> I don't understand why people don't use adblockers. Can you explain?

You should only see targeted ads if you're on iOS; never on Android.
You shouldn't even _see_ any ads on Android, The Real Bev. Only on iOS.

On Android, the OS has a button to completely remove the advertising ID.
Again, this is something which is (AFAIK) impossible to do on iOS.

If I haven't mentioned it before, one of the _biggest_ difference between
iOS and Android is Apple prevents tons of app functionality. Google can't.

I wonder if _any_ of those huge differences between Android and iOS are in
Steve's document. Probably not. Steve thinks he knows Android but he
doesn't know Android any better than you do or than I do. Probably less.

The biggest difference between Android and iOS is that Apple prevents the
user from doing all these things that the user _wants_ to do, The Real Bev.

Steve is unaware of that because it's not anywhere in his document.
It's clear Steve has no interest in making his doc what he claims it is.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to help The Real Bev remove even more ads.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>>>> I don't understand why people don't use adblockers.  Can you explain?
>>>
>>> Some sites require you remove the adblocker to see them. Some are even
>>> worth it - at least temporarily.
>>
>> Back when I bothered it frequently didn't work because of the contents
>> of my hosts file, which I wasn't about to rename and then rename again.
>
> it's much easier to use an adblocker, which is constantly kept up to
> date and can also be easily disabled if necessary.

Hi The Real Bev, (via nospam's post),

Have I ever steered you wrong(ly)?
Never, right?

have you ever found a fact from me to be wrong, The Real Bev?
Never, right?

The problem as I see it, Bev, is you're asking for advice, but the people
who provided it to you - don't know anything about iOS nor Android.

So I need you to listen, and at least respond that you understood. OK?

It's clear none of the iKooks knows _anything_ about either iOS or Android.
And, since Steve doesn't mention it in his doc, he doesn't know either.

But I need you to at least be _aware_ of the facts I am brining to you.
Sigh. The iKooks _hate_ me for bringing up facts for you... but so be it.

There are huge differences between Android & iOS which Steve does NOT
put in his document - mainly because - I guess - he doesn't know them.

But I do.

#1: *Only iOS has targeted ads*; not Android.
See my previous explanation of native Android removal of the ad id.
<https://www.androidpolice.com/google-delete-android-advertising-ids/>

#2: *Only on iOS should you see Google-inserted ads in YouTube videos*.
See my previous explanation of the FOSS Google YouTube app.
<https://newpipe.net/>

#3: *Only on iOS should you see ads anywhere on the phone*
See my previous explanation of the FOSS Firewall app.
<https://netguard.me/>

I know you (from your posts), The Real Bev; so I do not expect you to do
any of those three things; but I do expect you to _understand_ they exist.

The iKooks, even if they understood, would never admit that they exist.

So I just need you to note that you _understood_ those simple ad-related
things, because none of that (last I checked) is in Steve's document.

And all of it should be since it's a huge difference between iOS & Android.

--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information

which, in this case, is to make sure The Real Bev gets accurate answers.

[nospam]

In article <trub5s$ao6m$1...@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli

<nos...@nospam.net> wrote:

> AFAIK, you can't easily change a hosts file on an iPhone or Android without
> root but if you know what you're doing, you can use free system firewalls.
>
> But not on iOS (which is crippled by Apple preventing app functionality).

false. apple does not prevent any such thing and various firewalls
exist.

this has been explained to you many times before. why do you continue
to lie?

> On ad blockers, you can use a free firewall which will also block ads.

> But not on iOS (all by its itty bitty self, nospam).

yes on ios. i use several and they're very effective.

> It always amazes me when people talk about problems that don't exist.

then you must amaze yourself quite often.

[nospam]

In article <truc35$ar7o$1...@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli

<nos...@nospam.net> wrote:

> The problem as I see it, Bev, is you're asking for advice, but the people
> who provided it to you - don't know anything about iOS nor Android.

talking about yourself again, i see.

>
> #1: *Only iOS has targeted ads*; not Android.

false.

> #2: *Only on iOS should you see Google-inserted ads in YouTube videos*.

false.

> #3: *Only on iOS should you see ads anywhere on the phone*

false.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> LOL, actually iOS also promises to protect your privacy.
>
> it does in a variety of ways.

Unlike the iKooks, I can easily agree with anyone who says a cogent
statement which nospam did just now.

While the iPhone has huge privacy holes (e.g., the most zero-day bugs of
any smartphone ever built), Apple _does_ try to make the iPhone, by default
anyway, more private than does Google for the default Android setup.

Google makes almost no attempt, IMHO, in making the default Android setup
more private, and worse, most Android owners are extremely rude people.

These rude Android owners think nothing of leaving the Android phone in the
default Google-applied settings to upload _your_ private contacts to Google
servers, for example.

These rude Android owners think nothing of uploading _your_ private home
GPS location and _unique_ access point SSN (so to speak, via the BSSID).

I can't get a straight answer out of the ignorant iKooks, so I don't know
yet if the Apple Google app setup does the same things; it probably does.

In _that_ way I then only partially agree with nospam's assessment on iOS
privacy, because iOS would only be private if you install no Google apps.

>> If you use
>> Google's services, whether on iOS or Android, you should not expect privacy.
>
> google's services are not part of ios.

By default, I agree with nospam that iOS is set up to be more private than
is Android by default; however, that's only if you never install Google
apps onto iOS, and, remember, Apple & Google have a huge search business.

Even with Apple selling your privacy to Google for search business by
default, I would still agree with nospam that iOS is, by default, a bit
more private than Android is, by default.

However...

For an _intelligent_ user (i.e., nobody on the Apple newsgroup, and maybe
only a handful of people on the Android newsgroup), it's the other way.

If you know how to set up Android, you will _always_ be (far) more private.
I doubt Steve has _any_ of this in his "differences" document. Does he?

--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information

which, in this case, is to explain the details of the privacy differences.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> #1: *Only iOS has targeted ads*; not Android.
>
> false.
>
>> #2: *Only on iOS should you see Google-inserted ads in YouTube videos*.
>
> false.
>
>> #3: *Only on iOS should you see ads anywhere on the phone*
>
> false.

Hi nospam,

At the risk of stating the obvious...
a. A "normal" adult, would first understand what I wrote. You didn't.
b. Then, a "normal" adult, if they disagreed, would say why. You can't.

You're not normal.
You're an iKook.

You disagree with all facts about iOS simply because you _hate_ them.
What shows your low IQ is you _never_ have any counter facts. Never.

*Your _entire_ belief system, nospam, is _completely_ imaginary.*
*Or... a lie*

Still.... it's sad that Steve's comparison doc doesn't cover these facts.

1. *Only iOS has targeted ads*. On Android, you can delete the system adid.
2. *Only iOS has google-inserted youtube ads*. On Android they don't exist.
3. *Only iOS has any ads*; on Android, you simply block them via firewalls.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

> false. apple does not prevent any such thing and various firewalls
> exist.

Hi nospam,
I have an excellent memory, and Steve and I have both confronted you on
your brazen claim of imaginary fw functionality on the iOS App Store.

> this has been explained to you many times before. why do you continue
> to lie?

If you believe that we are "lying", then simply point to the free firewall
on the iOS App Store that Steve and I can download, right now, nospam.
*Name Just One*

>> On ad blockers, you can use a free firewall which will also block ads.
>> But not on iOS (all by its itty bitty self, nospam).
>
> yes on ios. i use several and they're very effective.

Again, if you are not brazenly lying, simply point to it on the App Store.
*Name Just One*

>> It always amazes me when people talk about problems that don't exist.
>
> then you must amaze yourself quite often.

What doesn't amaze me is how ignorant you are, nospam, of not only Android,
but you're also completely ignorant about how iOS works.

You will/can _never_ name a single iOS app you claim is on the App Store.

It's why I have to say, openly, you're a horridly despicable person nospam.
You own no shame. No honor. No adherence to truth.

You don't care that you have no credibility.
Nor that you brazenly fabricate iOS functionality that doesn't exist.

Your only goal is to defend Apple to the death; no matter what.

[The Real Bev]

On 2/7/23 12:09 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> No idea. I use adblock plus, ublock origin and a hosts file.
>
> Hi The Real Bev,
>
> IMHO... Nobody should see ads or even targeted ads on Android.
> They should only see that on iOS (Seriously. See below for proof.)

...

Mea culpa. We (or at least I) had gotten off track and the discussion
involved computers rather than Android/IOS.

I'm unwilling to root my phone, and use it so little that the ads I'm
forced to see are only a minor annoyance.

--
Cheers,
Bev
------------------------------------------------------
"Give me all your brains or I'll blow your money out!"
--Anonymous Unsuccessful Bank Robber

[nospam]

In article <trudq1$b0kr$1...@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli

<nos...@nospam.net> wrote:

>
> 1. *Only iOS has targeted ads*. On Android, you can delete the system adid.

you don't understand how ad targeting works and how to block it.

> 2. *Only iOS has google-inserted youtube ads*. On Android they don't exist.

only if the user chooses to block them, which ios users can also do.

> 3. *Only iOS has any ads*; on Android, you simply block them via firewalls.

same on ios.

[nospam]

In article <truebp$b2r9$1...@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli

<nos...@nospam.net> wrote:

> I have an excellent memory,

clearly not

>
> > this has been explained to you many times before. why do you continue
> > to lie?
>
> If you believe that we are "lying", then simply point to the free firewall
> on the iOS App Store that Steve and I can download, right now, nospam.
> *Name Just One*

as i said, it's been explained to you many times before.

if you have the excellent memory you claim to have, then you would
remember at least one of those times.

[Andy Burnelli]

The Real Bev wrote:

> I'm unwilling to root my phone, and use it so little that the ads I'm
> forced to see are only a minor annoyance.

Hi The Real Bev,

There are two reasons why you do NOT have to root your phone to not see
ads, one of which is that none of the apps I suggested need root.

The other is that I knew you wouldn't want to root your Android phone.

I know you (from your posts); so I was just making sure you knew that you
never have to see an ad on Android if you do what I do (which you won't).

The point is that free tools exist on Android which don't require root.
Also the Android operating system allows you to delete the advertising id.

In a thread about the most important differences between Android and iOS,
it's important for me to make the distinction, although Steve can't learn.

I hope at least you can.
*Only on iOS should you ever see ads or targeted ads*; not on Android.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

> if you have the excellent memory you claim to have, then you would
> remember at least one of those times.

Your ability to brazenly lie to your own mother is clear to all, nospam.
You have no shame. No honor. No sense of guilt. No credibility. Nothing.

It's a common trait for you contemptible iKooks to be detestable liars.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> 1. *Only iOS has targeted ads*. On Android, you can delete the system adid.
>
> you don't understand how ad targeting works and how to block it.

No. It's you nospam who doesn't understand that only on iOS will you see
targeted ads, or even ads for that matter. Never on Android.

*Steve needs to add to his doc that ads are only on iOS nowadays.*

>> 2. *Only iOS has google-inserted youtube ads*. On Android they don't exist.
>
> only if the user chooses to block them, which ios users can also do.

No. You have no memory nospam that we covered this in detail in the past.
I have an excellent memory (e.g., we discussed "Video Tube" & "My Tube".

The reason you can't understand what we covered in depth, nospam, is, well,
to put it bluntly, you're too stupid to comprehend that they have ads.

Just different ads.
But they still have ads.

We covered this, nospam, multiple times - and yet you completely forget.
You don't own the IQ to understand a single word I just said, do you?

*Steve needs to add to his doc that ads are only on iOS nowadays.*

>> 3. *Only iOS has any ads*; on Android, you simply block them via firewalls.
>
> same on ios.

All you do, nospam, is the same that Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Snit, and the
rest of the uneducated low-IQ iKooks do, is rehash the same denials
forever.

No iKook has the capacity to learn.
As a result, you iKooks are ignorant of everything about iOS and Android.

The end result is that if you're seeing ads, and especially if you're
seeing targeted ads, and you don't want to - then you are only on iOS.

Android doesn't have them.
Ask me how I know this.

*Steve needs to add to his doc that ads are only on iOS nowadays.*

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 07.02.23 um 20:41 schrieb The Real Bev:

> No idea. I use adblock plus, ublock origin and a hosts file. The only
> ads I see are the ones youtube forces you to watch for a few seconds
> before they let you click SKIP. I have also trained my mind to not
> actually see ads -- billboards, etc.
>
>> How do I know if an ad is a targeted ad from Google or just random?

https://mybrowseraddon.com/adblocker-for-youtube.html

For Firefox.

[sms]

On 2/7/2023 11:41 AM, The Real Bev wrote:

<snip>

> I don't understand why people don't use adblockers.  Can you explain?

What makes you believe that most people don't use Ad Blockers? I think
that most people don't use hosts files and have no idea what they are.
Thanks for reminding me to update my hosts file using the text file from
<https://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm>.

One nice thing I've noticed recently is that many web sites that
complain about ad blockers now have an option to "continue with out
unblocking" in small print, below where they ask you to unblock ads. I
think that it's because even without ads they benefit from you visiting
their site since there are often affiliate links that could be clicked
on, and they realized that most people would not unblock ads to continue
to their site.

--
“How beautiful it is to stay silent when someone expects you to be
enraged.” ― Giada De Laurentiis

[nospam]

In article <ts0j41$8ddr$2...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> What makes you believe that most people don't use Ad Blockers?

industry stats.

<https://www.statista.com/statistics/804008/ad-blocking-reach-usage-us/>
In 2019, roughly 25.8 percent of internet users were blocking
advertising on their connected devices. This figure is expected to
keep growing (albeit slowly) which loosely translated means that a
quarter of paid advertising messages will never reach their
audiences.

> I think
> that most people don't use hosts files and have no idea what they are.

for good reason. *much* better alternatives exist.

[sms]

On 2/8/2023 8:37 AM, sms wrote:
> On 2/7/2023 11:41 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I don't understand why people don't use adblockers.  Can you explain?
>
> What makes you believe that most people don't use Ad Blockers? I think
> that most people don't use hosts files and have no idea what they are.
> Thanks for reminding me to update my hosts file using the text file from
> <https://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm>.

As a side note, I tried a different hosts file since the mvps file
doesn't appear to be being updated. Big mistake. I used one from
<https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts>. It totally screwed things up and
it prevented me from deleting or over-writing it. I had to do a System
Restore to fix it. Fortunately I had a restore point that was only about
two weeks old.

[nospam]

In article <ts0q8m$9m2p$2...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> As a side note, I tried a different hosts file since the mvps file
> doesn't appear to be being updated. Big mistake.

yes it is a mistake to use a hosts file when far better options exist.

[Andy Burnelli]

Andy Burnelli wrote:

> *Only on iOS should you ever see ads or targeted ads*; not on Android.

To help people understand that if they're seeing ads, they're on iOS,
because Android doesn't have ads anymore if you know how to set it up,
I opened this separate thread on that one topic alone to teach others.

*If you're seeing ads, especially targeted ads - you're on iOS (not Android)*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/jbBVESGcKSA>

While the iKooks will deny every fact they're unaware of (which is, let's
be sincere, almost every fact about iOS), I provided many backup cites.

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-02-07 19:49, RonTheGuy wrote:
> On Feb 07, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
> (in article<news:OLvEL.71818$jiuc....@fx44.iad>):
>
>>> Where do those ads go though?
>>> They're not sent into the gmail email account itself, are they?
>>
>> Google stopped this practice long ago. They get data on people elsewise
>> - in large part from companies that sell their data about you to them
>> via various aggregators.
>
> Thanks for letting me know Google stopped scanning the email for things to
> send you ads about but where do those ads you spoke about show up?

Not that I know.

For example, if you get an email on google with your flight plan, google
takes note, and if your plane delays or is cancelled, google tells you.
You may like this or not, but it sure is convenient: my relatives found
out their flight was cancelled, while the company had said nothing. They
would have arrived to the airport and be stuck, but thanks to google
they knew in advance and had booked another flight (free of cost).


I never got ads directly from Google in my email, and I have at least
one gmail account since the start, or almost. However, when using
webmail I could see related adverts on the sides of the browser.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Andy Burnelli]

To help people understand that if they're seeing ads, they're on iOS,

(because Android doesn't have ads anymore if you know how to set it up),

I opened this separate thread on that one topic alone to teach others.

*If you're seeing ads, especially targeted ads - you're on iOS (not Android)*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/jbBVESGcKSA>

While the iKooks will deny every fact they're unaware of (which is, let's

face it, almost every fact about iOS), I provided many backup cites.

The iKooks will supply none.
And yet, the iKooks will deny every fact everyone else already knows.

Just watch.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> As a side note, I tried a different hosts file since the mvps file
>> doesn't appear to be being updated. Big mistake.
>
> yes it is a mistake to use a hosts file when far better options exist.

Of the common consumer platforms, only on iOS is the hosts impossible.

Android can use any hosts file, without root, for free, nospam.
<https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard/blob/master/ADBLOCKING.md>
All by its itty bitty self, nospam.

While Apple advertises privacy, it's only on iOS that it doesn't exist.

That only iOS has ads nowadays is what Steve needs to add to his doc.

Details here (with cites).

[sms]

On 2/8/2023 11:28 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-02-07 19:49, RonTheGuy wrote:
>> On Feb 07, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
>> (in article<news:OLvEL.71818$jiuc....@fx44.iad>):
>>
>>>> Where do those ads go though?
>>>> They're not sent into the gmail email account itself, are they?
>>>
>>> Google stopped this practice long ago.  They get data on people elsewise
>>> - in large part from companies that sell their data about you to them
>>> via various aggregators.
>>
>> Thanks for letting me know Google stopped scanning the email for
>> things to
>> send you ads about but where do those ads you spoke about show up?
>
> Not that I know.
>
> For example, if you get an email on google with your flight plan, google
> takes note, and if your plane delays or is cancelled, google tells you.
> You may like this or not, but it sure is convenient: my relatives found
> out their flight was cancelled, while the company had said nothing. They
> would have arrived to the airport and be stuck, but thanks to google
> they knew in advance and had booked another flight (free of cost).

It convenient but it's a little creepy.

[nospam]

In article <ts0tg8$nokp$1...@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli

<nos...@nospam.net> wrote:

> To help people understand that if they're seeing ads, they're on iOS,

do newspapers count?

> (because Android doesn't have ads anymore if you know how to set it up),

to the surprise of absolutely nobody, you're moving the goalposts
again. first you said no ads, now it's only 'if you know how to set it
up'.

ios also doesn't have ads 'if you know how to set it up'. nor does mac,
windows or linux.

> I opened this separate thread on that one topic alone to teach others.

there's only one person who needs to be taught. the problem is that
person is incapable of learning.

[nospam]

In article <ts0ucb$nrd7$1...@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli

<nos...@nospam.net> wrote:

>
> Android can use any hosts file, without root, for free

a hosts file is primitive and doesn't work that well.

as has been said, there are far more effective and much easier to
manage options.

[Carlos E.R.]

I think you can opt out.

It also collects receipts and makes a table for you, I think. Doesn't
work for me, because I have them on a different email.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[The Real Bev]

On 2/8/23 8:37 AM, sms wrote:
> On 2/7/2023 11:41 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I don't understand why people don't use adblockers.  Can you explain?
>
> What makes you believe that most people don't use Ad Blockers?

They complain about ads. QED! No idea about the proportion, but there
seem to be quite a few of them.

> I think
> that most people don't use hosts files and have no idea what they are.
> Thanks for reminding me to update my hosts file using the text file from
> <https://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm>.

I think you're correct here. I can't remember where I downloaded my
huge one, but I also have a bigger hosts.deny from
https://github.com/Ultimate-Hosts-Blacklist/Ultimate.Hosts.Blacklist

Belt and suspenders...

> One nice thing I've noticed recently is that many web sites that
> complain about ad blockers now have an option to "continue with out
> unblocking" in small print, below where they ask you to unblock ads. I
> think that it's because even without ads they benefit from you visiting
> their site since there are often affiliate links that could be clicked
> on, and they realized that most people would not unblock ads to continue
> to their site.

I've seen some 'continue' notes in small print at sites that want you to
subscribe. Drudge frequently points to articles in newspapers that
demand a subscription before they let you see the article. They
actually think that Kalifornians and other out-of-staters are willing to
subscribe to the East Podunk Journal?


--
Cheers, Bev
You know it's time to clean the refrigerator when
something closes the door from the inside.

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-02-08 21:33, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 2/8/23 8:37 AM, sms wrote:
>> On 2/7/2023 11:41 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> I don't understand why people don't use adblockers.  Can you explain?
>>
>> What makes you believe that most people don't use Ad Blockers?
>
> They complain about ads.  QED!  No idea about the proportion, but there
> seem to be quite a few of them.
>
>>  I think that most people don't use hosts files and have no idea what
>> they are.
>> Thanks for reminding me to update my hosts file using the text file from
>> <https://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm>.
>
> I think you're correct here.  I can't remember where I downloaded my
> huge one, but I also have a bigger hosts.deny from
> https://github.com/Ultimate-Hosts-Blacklist/Ultimate.Hosts.Blacklist
>
> Belt and suspenders...

I think you need to keep the file updated frequently.

>
>> One nice thing I've noticed recently is that many web sites that
>> complain about ad blockers now have an option to "continue with out
>> unblocking" in small print, below where they ask you to unblock ads. I
>> think that it's because even without ads they benefit from you visiting
>> their site since there are often affiliate links that could be clicked
>> on, and they realized that most people would not unblock ads to continue
>> to their site.
>
> I've seen some 'continue' notes in small print at sites that want you to
> subscribe.  Drudge frequently points to articles in newspapers that
> demand a subscription before they let you see the article.  They
> actually think that Kalifornians and other out-of-staters are willing to
> subscribe to the East Podunk Journal?

Or Spaniards :-D

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Hank Rogers]

I didn't realize you can even use a hosts file on an iphone.

How does that work?

I might want to try for the hell of it.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> (because Android doesn't have ads anymore if you know how to set it up),
>
> to the surprise of absolutely nobody, you're moving the goalposts
> again. first you said no ads, now it's only 'if you know how to set it
> up'.

Idiot.

Even for you, nospam, that's just the desperate excuse of an idiot.
Neither Google nor Apple want you to NOT see ads.

The difference is that *if you can't block those ads, you're on iOS*.

The reason is the biggest difference between iOS and Android, which is that
Apple flatly prohibits tons (and tons!) of app functionality. Google can't.

Like NewPipe, NetGuard and completely wiping out the advertising ID.

> ios also doesn't have ads 'if you know how to set it up'. nor does mac,
> windows or linux.

You have no shame, nospam.
No honor.
No pride.

All you do, every day, is lie about imaginary iOS functionality, nospam.

1. Tell us how to completely remove the advertising ID on iOS nospam.
HINT: You can't. *You lied*.

2. Tell us the app to download that watches YouTube without ads, nospam.
HINT: You can't. *You lied*.

3. Tell us the app to download that loads any ad-blocking host file,
nospam, (all by its itty bitty self... not tethered to a Mac).
HINT: You can't. *You lied*

>> I opened this separate thread on that one topic alone to teach others.
>
> there's only one person who needs to be taught. the problem is that
> person is incapable of learning.

You iKooks nospam have only seven responses to facts that you _hate_.

When you have used up the first six, you resort to ad hominem attacks.

Which is the purest way to know you're desperate because you _hate_ that
you can't find even a single reference that backs up any of your lies.

*The point remains that if you're still seeing ads, then you're on iOS.*
--
If I haven't mentioned it before, one of the _biggest_ difference between
iOS and Android is Apple prevents tons of app functionality. Google can't.

[Nic]

Hank Rogers wrote:

>>> As a side note, I tried a different hosts file since the mvps file
>>> doesn't appear to be being updated. Big mistake.
>>
>> yes it is a mistake to use a hosts file when far better options exist.
>>
>
> I didn't realize you can even use a hosts file on an iphone.
>
> How does that work?
>
> I might want to try for the hell of it.

You're probably asking nospam to back up his claim but he won't be able to
because he made it up. He'll try to deflect the question using an insult.

Meanwhile, on Android, you can use any ad-blocking hosts file you want.
Without being root.
For free.

https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard/blob/master/ADBLOCKING.md

[Alan]

<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/adguard-adblock-privacy/id1047223162#?platform=ipad>

Want more?

[nospam]

In article <F3WEL.125235$5S78....@fx48.iad>, Hank Rogers

<ha...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> >> As a side note, I tried a different hosts file since the mvps file
> >> doesn't appear to be being updated. Big mistake.
> >
> > yes it is a mistake to use a hosts file when far better options exist.
> >
>
> I didn't realize you can even use a hosts file on an iphone.

not directly, not that it matters since a hosts file an obsolete method
with many downsides.

as i said, much better options exist. one example are content blockers,
which can eve work when ads are served from the same domain as is the
content (e.g., youtube). another example are dns blackholes, such as a
pihole and its equivalents, which can work across an entire lan rather
than only one device. both of those are continually updated with new
domains (manual or automatic) as well as supporting wildcards and
groups.

[nospam]

In article <ts1aot$p4s3$1...@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli

<nos...@nospam.net> wrote:

> 1. Tell us how to completely remove the advertising ID on iOS

<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252254878>
...Go to Settings/Privacy and scroll to the bottom. If you turn off
Personalized Ads your phone will never send an advertising identifier.

> 2. Tell us the app to download that watches YouTube without ads

safari. no need to even download it.

alternately, other browsers can be used.

> 3. Tell us the app to download that loads any ad-blocking host file,

a hosts file is an obsolete and not particularly effective method to
block ads (which explains why you're fixated on it).

[Ken Blake]

On Tue, 7 Feb 2023 14:45:14 -0500, Alan Browne
<bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:

>On 2023-02-07 14:41, The Real Bev wrote:

>> On 2/7/23 10:49 AM, RonTheGuy wrote:
>>> On Feb 07, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
>>> (in article<news:OLvEL.71818$jiuc....@fx44.iad>):
>>>
>>>>> Where do those ads go though?
>>>>> They're not sent into the gmail email account itself, are they?
>>>>
>>>> Google stopped this practice long ago.  They get data on people
>>>> elsewise - in large part from companies that sell their data about
>>>> you to them via various aggregators.
>>>
>>> Thanks for letting me know Google stopped scanning the email for
>>> things to
>>> send you ads about but where do those ads you spoke about show up?
>>>

>>> I see some ads when I browse the web. Is it there?
>>> There are some ads that I see when I use some apps. Is it there?

>>
>> No idea.  I use adblock plus, ublock origin and a hosts file.  The only
>> ads I see are the ones youtube forces you to watch for a few seconds
>> before they let you click SKIP.  I have also trained my mind to not
>> actually see ads -- billboards, etc.
>

>There is a YT ad blocker.

>
>>
>>> How do I know if an ad is a targeted ad from Google or just random?
>>

>> I don't understand why people don't use adblockers.  Can you explain?
>

>Some sites require you remove the adblocker to see them. Some are even
>worth it - at least temporarily.


Maybe some are worth it, but I've never run across one. I never
disable mine.

[Ken Blake]

On Wed, 8 Feb 2023 08:37:21 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 2/7/2023 11:41 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> I don't understand why people don't use adblockers.  Can you explain?
>
>What makes you believe that most people don't use Ad Blockers? I think
>that most people don't use hosts files and have no idea what they are.
>Thanks for reminding me to update my hosts file using the text file from
><https://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm>.

You can't. It hasn't been updated since March 2021.

[nospam]

In article <nle8uhtkh7s0borj5...@4ax.com>, Ken Blake

<K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> >
> >Some sites require you remove the adblocker to see them. Some are even
> >worth it - at least temporarily.
>
>
> Maybe some are worth it, but I've never run across one. I never
> disable mine.

forbes used to block ad blockers, but they no longer do. they must have
noticed people weren't disabling them and going elsewhere.

[The Real Bev]

Those too :-)

I was looking at android adblockers earlier today. A number of them
contained in-app ads and some said they shared the user's info with
third parties. Made me feel a bit uneasy...

--
Cheers, Bev
"When your enemies are making mistakes, don't interrupt them."
-- from the film 'Moneyball'

[Hank Rogers]

Nic wrote:
> Hank Rogers wrote:
>
>>>> As a side note, I tried a different hosts file since the mvps file
>>>> doesn't appear to be being updated. Big mistake.
>>>
>>> yes it is a mistake to use a hosts file when far better options exist.
>>>
>>
>> I didn't realize you can even use a hosts file on an iphone.
>>
>> How does that work?
>>
>> I might want to try for the hell of it.
>
> You're probably asking nospam

Sometimes he answers a question. Give him a chance.

[sms]

Netguard is not really the same as using a hosts file on the actual
device though it achieves the same result, without rooting. And you can
do the same sort of thing on non-jailbroken iOS devices with a similar app.

On a rooted Android device it's easy to edit the hosts file, see
<https://www.techrepublic.com/article/edit-your-rooted-android-hosts-file-to-block-ad-servers/>

On a non-rooted Android device you can use Netguard's VPN service to
essentially do the same thing, see
<
https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/enable-netguards-hidden-ad-blocking-feature-your-android-phone-0176386/>.

On a jail-broken iPhone you can edit the hosts file (located at
/private/etc/hosts).

On a non-jail-broken iPhone you can use an app like AdGuard Pro to
achieve essentially the same result as Netguard (see
https://adguard.com/en/blog/how-to-configure-system-wide-blocking.html
for an explanation of how it works, it's $9.99 from
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/adguard-pro-adblock-privacy/id1126386264>).
Not free, but not a recurring monthly charge.

A hosts file is a much better solution than Netguard or AdGuard Pro but
most people won't root or jailbreak their devices and for obvious
reasons the operating system manufacturers don't want you to be easily
able to block advertising by modifying the hosts file.

[sms]

On 2/8/2023 4:14 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

<snip>

> Maybe some are worth it, but I've never run across one. I never
> disable mine.

Within the past few months I've noticed that a lot of sites will ask you
to disable ad-blocking but then, in a small font, there will be an
option "Continue without disabling ad-blocking" or "Continue without
supporting us."

I have disabled ad-blocking for a site that I really want to view, but
it's rare.

[nospam]

In article <ts1i81$dqe4$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> Netguard is not really the same as using a hosts file on the actual
> device though it achieves the same result, without rooting.

the mechanism isn't the same, but the results are, which is what
matters.

>
> On a non-jail-broken iPhone you can use an app like AdGuard Pro to
> achieve essentially the same result as Netguard

a content blocker is not the same thing as a hosts file, and there are
other options that provide the same result.

> A hosts file is a much better solution than Netguard or AdGuard Pro

no it very definitely isn't, for all sorts of reasons.

> but
> most people won't root or jailbreak their devices and for obvious
> reasons the operating system manufacturers don't want you to be easily
> able to block advertising by modifying the hosts file.

no, thats not why.

the reason is that it is a major security hole. a nefarious app could
hijack network queries.

[sms]

On 2/8/2023 12:33 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

<snip>

> I've seen some 'continue' notes in small print at sites that want you to
> subscribe.  Drudge frequently points to articles in newspapers that
> demand a subscription before they let you see the article.  They
> actually think that Kalifornians and other out-of-staters are willing to
> subscribe to the East Podunk Journal?

My local public library gives online access to a lot of national
newspapers that would otherwise be behind a paywall. These include the
New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and the Wall Street Journal,
though not the Washington Post. They also have a great many foreign
newspapers available to read at no charge, as well as a lot of magazines.

If Apple News+ were available on non-Apple devices I would subscribe to
the Apple One Family plan, but when Apple purchased Texture they dropped
support for Windows and Android. I'd use Apple Music, Apple Fitness+ as
well, though not really interested in Apple TV+.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 09.02.23 um 01:19 schrieb nospam:

Aha. Adblocking is a passive process. Forbes can recognise that they are
unable to deliver ads and scripts but they are not able to disable a
blocker at the receiver end.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-02-09 02:32, sms wrote:
> On 2/8/2023 4:14 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Maybe some are worth it, but I've never run across one. I never
>> disable mine.
>
> Within the past few months I've noticed that a lot of sites will ask you
> to disable ad-blocking but then, in a small font, there will be an
> option "Continue without disabling ad-blocking" or "Continue without
> supporting us."

I have not noticed, but I'll look next time.

> I have disabled ad-blocking for a site that I really want to view, but
> it's rare.

Me too. I may also have disabled it for a site I /needed/ to open.
Sometimes a site may not ask to disable it, but doesn't work right.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Carlos E.R.]

Quite.

I use an addblocker on my computers, but not yet on my phone/tablet.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 09.02.23 um 11:27 schrieb Carlos E.R.:

> I use an addblocker on my computers, but not yet on my phone/tablet.

On my Pixel I use FF as standard browser. There can be easily adblockers
added. What I do not want to do is to install another browser.

NoScript and uBlock Origin among a lot of other addons are available.

[Nic]

Hank Rogers wrote:

> Sometimes he answers a question. Give him a chance.

I'm sure you realize nospam made it up because he doesn't actually know.
Why should nospam look anything up if he can just lie about iOS?

He'll deflect by insulting, claiming nobody wants it, saying it's already
there, saying that Apple does everything better than how you want it, etc.

Consider the logic.
If nospam knew anything about iOS he wouldn't have to always lie about it.

[Neil]

On 2/8/2023 7:29 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> I was looking at android adblockers earlier today. A number of them
> contained in-app ads and some said they shared the user's info with
> third parties. Made me feel a bit uneasy..

WTF?

That's like saying "I was looking at people earlier today. A number of them
had tattoos and some looked like they had shared a prison cell. Made me

feel a bit uneasy..".

Anyone can find lousy people & then claim because they don't know how to
find good people, they unilaterally decreed that all people are lousy.

Change "people" to "apps" and that's what you just said.
--
best regards,

Neil

[Jolly Roger]

Still not interested. I've lost all respect for Forbes since they've
insisted on employing hacks and trolls like Gordon Kelley.

--
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[The Real Bev]

Likewise, but FF is slower than what I assume is Chrome :-( Mostly I
just want a quick answer/factoid so I just talk (I'm really lousy at
thumb typing) into the google fill-in box and hope for the best. What's
annoying is the popups in other apps that obscure the screen until you
find the tiny X to get rid of it.

--
Cheers, Bev
Real life doesn't always provide spoiler alerts and there's a
limit to how much sensitivity one is allowed to inflict on others.

[The Real Bev]

There are a lot more people than there are ad-blocker apps (maybe 20,
most with few users and low ratings). It's unrealistic to wish that the
reverse were true.

--
Cheers, Bev
"Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do.
They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy,
they'd have indoor plumbing by now." -- Ann Coulter

[sms]

On 2/8/2023 4:29 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

<snip>

> I was looking at android adblockers earlier today.  A number of them
> contained in-app ads and some said they shared the user's info with
> third parties.  Made me feel a bit uneasy...

Without rooting you're not going to get the level of protection that you
can get with a hosts file.

Netguard (Android) and AdGuard Pro (iOS) will be the best you can do
without rooting or jailbreaking. Netguard needs to be side-loaded, the
version on the Google Play Store lacks some features.

Your Pixel is old enough, and out of warranty, so rooting would not be
an issue.

[nospam]

In article <ts477h$r812$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> Without rooting you're not going to get the level of protection that you
> can get with a hosts file.

demonstrably false. there are much easier and more effective options.

> Netguard (Android) and AdGuard Pro (iOS) will be the best you can do
> without rooting or jailbreaking.

also very much false.

[The Real Bev]

On 2/9/23 5:38 PM, sms wrote:
> On 2/8/2023 4:29 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I was looking at android adblockers earlier today.  A number of them
>> contained in-app ads and some said they shared the user's info with
>> third parties.  Made me feel a bit uneasy...
>
> Without rooting you're not going to get the level of protection that you
> can get with a hosts file.
>
> Netguard (Android) and AdGuard Pro (iOS) will be the best you can do
> without rooting or jailbreaking. Netguard needs to be side-loaded, the
> version on the Google Play Store lacks some features.

Somebody (you?) pointed at the github version...

> Your Pixel is old enough, and out of warranty, so rooting would not be
> an issue.

Not a warranty worry, I just want to avoid bricking it. I have no
confidence in my ability to follow instructions that I HOPE will work.
The old battery lasted 5 years, so maybe the one I just replaced it with
will too.

Recent problem: Buying a nice LED shoplight which can supposedly be
controlled (brightness) by my phone, except the instructions are
ambiguous and don't seem to work no matter what order the steps occur.
Why should something this simple be so difficult?

I will look at Netguard, though.


--
Cheers, Bev
The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese.

[Neil]

On 2/10/2023 4:20 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> Change "people" to "apps" and that's what you just said.
>
> There are a lot more people than there are ad-blocker apps (maybe 20,
> most with few users and low ratings). It's unrealistic to wish that the
> reverse were true.

Like any person or company that preys on the masses, you have to know how
to find the one priest who isn't a pedophile. Saying all priests are
pedophiles simply says that you didn't look very hard for the good ones.

However I will grant you that if you look for almost anything that most
people want, you'll find the same situation. Take cartoonify apps, or video
size reducers, or image snapshot editors or in the olden days, dvd burners.

Any app that a lot of non technical people want to find a technical
solution for will have the scammers inundating the search results with
their scams. It has always been that way. And it will always be that way.

The search results for best smartphone ad blocker will be no different.
https://www.google.com/search?q=best+smartphone+ad+blocker

You have to know how to make good choices out of your search results.
--
best regards,

Neil

[Andy Burnelli]

The Real Bev wrote:

>> Netguard (Android) and AdGuard Pro (iOS) will be the best you can do
>> without rooting or jailbreaking. Netguard needs to be side-loaded, the
>> version on the Google Play Store lacks some features.
>
> Somebody (you?) pointed at the github version...

Hi TheRealBev,

Have I ever steered you wrong? Have I ever given you bad data?
Never right?

I wouldn't recommend NetGuard for you because it's like recommending that
someone buy aa chainsaw when it's too powerful for what they can handle.

It's _easy_ to use NetGuard; but it does a _lot_ of powerful things,
which you won't like if you don't sloooooooooooowly implement them.

As such, I don't recommend NetGuard for you; but I use it myself, just as I
cut down trees all the time with a chainsaw while on iOS they only have
butterknives for the same task.

If after that warning you still want to try out NetGuard, then read on
as it is sideloaded (which is nothing more than downloading a file).

BTW, I'm not sure why Steve makes *SUCH A SCARY HUMONGOUS DEAL* about
something as trivially easy as sideloading, where it's no different than
downloading a file and then tapping on that file you just downloaded.

I wish he's stop doing that because the Apple idiots get into a frenzy
every time *STEVE MAKES A HUGE DEAL ABOUT DOWNLOADING A FILE!!!!!!*.

However...

To the point if this thread, sideloading is the biggest difference there is
between the two platforms. It's _why_ iOS is crippled. Why Android is not.

Because of the lack of sideloading...
*iOS is crippled*

Anyway, while Google doesn't allow the "good" NetGuard any more than Google
allows the "good" Ungoogled Chromium or the "good" NewPipe YouTube client,
or the "good" Aurora Google Play Store client (ad infinitum), you can
easily download them all and they work just fine without anything else.

HINT: Forever replace the word "sideloading" with "downloading & tapping".

>> Your Pixel is old enough, and out of warranty, so rooting would not be
>> an issue.
>
> Not a warranty worry, I just want to avoid bricking it. I have no
> confidence in my ability to follow instructions that I HOPE will work.

Having rooted some phones and having a handful of old Androids lying around
(they never die - you just get new ones for free all the time), I will
agree with The Real Bev that rooting isn't for the sqeamish.

In _many_ cases though, rooting is no different than sideloading (yes, that
word again), in that you download a file and then you execute that file.

Voila! You're rooted.

NOTE: We have an entire Android thread on that topic, from only a short
while ago, so you'll find it in the archives if your heart so desires.

> The old battery lasted 5 years, so maybe the one I just replaced it with
> will too.

Another huge difference between Android and iOS is that Apple sleazily
cheaped out by putting substandard batteries in all iPhones. By stark
contrast, the average & flagship Android batteries can start your car.

That means the inevitable loss of capacity on Androids will keep them alive
far longer than the inevitable loss of capacity on iPhones. It's chemistry.

> Recent problem: Buying a nice LED shoplight which can supposedly be
> controlled (brightness) by my phone, except the instructions are
> ambiguous and don't seem to work no matter what order the steps occur.
> Why should something this simple be so difficult?

I have to agree with you that you can find anything that is poorly
designed; but by the same token, it makes the better designed devices all
the more precious. Like an Android smartphone over the poorly designed
iPhones which don't even have the standard ports such as sd & 3.5mm.

> I will look at Netguard, though.

Steve claims the adguard app is "the same" functionality as NetGuard but I
doubt it because the claims by both are completely different (e.g., AdGuard
for iOS works only on Safari according to their own web page - even as the
links Steve provided "intimate" otherwise).

Nonetheless, since you're on Android, you only likely care about Android.
This is the Google Play NetGuard which doesn't do the ad blocking feature:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.faircode.netguard>
This is the developer's web page:
<https://netguard.me/>
This is the Github page <https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard>
<https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard/releases/tag/2.303>

This is the latest release:
<https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard/releases/download/2.303/NetGuard-v2.303-release.apk>

Ooooooooooh... an APK file! Tell Steve to make a *HUGE DEAL THAT YOU NEED*
*TO SIDELOAD THAT APK FILE* as if it's a big deal to download & tap a file.

Note: Almost everything nospam said is a lie about the iOS ad blockers.
It's no longer shocking how little the iOS users know about iOS.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to provide The Real Bev with honest good advice.

[Neil]

That free github netguard says it works with every app on Android to block
access over either wifi or over cellular data. Plus it does ad blocking.

Does the iOS AdGuard do that access blocking of apps to wifi or cellular?

That $9.99 Pro AdBlock says it works only "for Safari" and it doesn't say
anything about being able to block access of apps to wifi or cellular data.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/adguard-pro-adblock-privacy/id1126386264
"AdGuard is an ultra-efficient ad blocker for Safari."

The two apps don't even seem close if you look at what they say they do.
--
best regards,

Neil

[nospam]

In article <ts4q73$vqko$1...@dont-email.me>, Neil <ne...@myplaceofwork.com>
wrote:

>
> That free github netguard says it works with every app on Android to block
> access over either wifi or over cellular data. Plus it does ad blocking.
>
> Does the iOS AdGuard do that access blocking of apps to wifi or cellular?
>
> That $9.99 Pro AdBlock says it works only "for Safari" and it doesn't say
> anything about being able to block access of apps to wifi or cellular data.
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/adguard-pro-adblock-privacy/id1126386264
> "AdGuard is an ultra-efficient ad blocker for Safari."
>
> The two apps don't even seem close if you look at what they say they do.

of course they're not the same. they work in different ways with
similar but not exactly the same results. sometimes one will be better
than the other. some people might choose to use both.

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-02-09 23:46, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 2/9/23 4:38 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 09.02.23 um 11:27 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>> I use an addblocker on my computers, but not yet on my phone/tablet.
>>
>> On my Pixel I use FF as standard browser. There can be easily adblockers
>> added. What I do not want to do is to install another browser.
>>
>> NoScript and uBlock Origin among a lot of other addons are available.
>
> Likewise, but FF is slower than what I assume is Chrome :-(  Mostly I
> just want a quick answer/factoid so I just talk (I'm really lousy at
> thumb typing) into the google fill-in box and hope for the best.  What's
> annoying is the popups in other apps that obscure the screen until you
> find the tiny X to get rid of it.

Popups in other apps?

I only get those if they are internal to the app, and then I uninstall
the app unless I absolutely need it, or it is the only advert. The
weather app, I think does that. Or "eltiempo.es", I don't remember. Or I
may buy the app if otherwise it is good and they promise to remove adds
on purchase.


Can adds be blocked in Chrome?

I prefer FF, but the google search applet, and the news thing, use Chrome.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Neil]

Saying they're similar is like saying a horse is similar to a jet airplane.
They're not even close to the same when you look at what they say they do.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/adguard-pro-adblock-privacy/id1126386264
https://www.netguard.me/

How can anyone say they are close when the iOS one says it only works in
Safari & it doesn't block individual app access to cellular data or wifi?
--
best regards,

Neil

[sms]

On 2/9/2023 7:07 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

<snip>

> Somebody (you?) pointed at the github version...

I modified my write-up on hosts files to include how to do essentially
the same thing on unrooted and non-jailbroken Android and iOS/iPadOS
devices.

See "Host Files, and Alternatives, for Adware and Spyware Blocking"
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CtVsYszTivu_MOEHpj1JYYCHXQqgX8z6yfrZ9CxGwMw>.

I also added it to the document "Android and iOS features that Users of
the Other Operating System Wish they Had"
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE/>
on page 104.

[Neil]

On 2/10/2023 9:54 PM, sms wrote:
> I modified my write-up on hosts files to include how to do essentially
> the same thing on unrooted and non-jailbroken Android and iOS/iPadOS
> devices.
>
> See "Host Files, and Alternatives, for Adware and Spyware Blocking"
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CtVsYszTivu_MOEHpj1JYYCHXQqgX8z6yfrZ9CxGwMw>.
>
> I also added it to the document "Android and iOS features that Users of
> the Other Operating System Wish they Had"
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE/>
> on page 104.

I just explained to the other guy that if you read these two descriptions
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/adguard-pro-adblock-privacy/id1126386264
https://www.netguard.me/

How can anyone say they are close when the iOS app says it only works in

Safari & it doesn't block individual app access to cellular data or wifi?

I read your article saying that you can possibly trick the iOS app to do
more than only work in Safari but it was confusing whether that worked only
for iPhone browsers or if it worked on all apps like the Android app does.

Even if you manage system wide ad blocking for the entire iPhone, the iOS
app still doesn't have blocking control by app for wifi and/or cellular.

You need to make it clear these apps don't do anywhere near the same thing.
--
best regards,

Neil

[rdb]

On 10 Feb 2023, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> posted some news
<news:ts5r53$13b47$1...@dont-email.me>:

The most important difference is shown in the link of the original post.
https://blog.esper.io/what-is-project-mainline/

Google has been updating Androids so seamlessly nobody even notices it.
Updates for Android are no longer done like they were in the early days.

Every Android phone down to Android 4.4 received this update for example.
https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/6048248

Why aren't Android completely seamless mainline updates, which have been
occurring for years, not even once mentioned in that difference document?

Mainline is the biggest difference between the two platforms.
iOS doesn't update seamlessly like mainline does for Android.

[nospam]

In article <ts5pu0$136ep$1...@dont-email.me>, Neil

<ne...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:

> Saying they're similar is like saying a horse is similar to a jet airplane.

no it's not.

> They're not even close to the same when you look at what they say they do.

they both block ads. that makes them similar. they do so in different
ways, and which one is better depends on various factors.

one advantage of a content blocker is that it can differentiate content
versus ads when both are served from the *same* *host*, which a hosts
file cannot possibly do.

[nospam]

In article <ts5r53$13b47$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> See "Host Files, and Alternatives, for Adware and Spyware Blocking"

see 'more disinformation'.

> I also added it to the document "Android and iOS features that Users of
> the Other Operating System Wish they Had"

the only people who wish they had the ability to use a hosts file are
living in the past and very ignorant about more effective modern
methods (or they're trolls).

[mike]

I think the biggest difference between the two ecosystems is that you can
safely download any Android app from anywhere to get anything you want to.

You can't do that with the iPhone.

And you don't need to get into the complexities of rooting or jailbreaking.
Any typical user can download an app with their web browser & click on it.

Downloading an app is not any different than downloading any file and
clicking on it. Android will ask you what you want to do with that file.

If it's an app installer, then Google Play Store antivirus will always run
an automatic scan on it so it's no less safe than installing any other app.

Even if you decline that initial automatic installation scan, the Android
antivirus program runs twice a day by default scanning all installed apps.

You don't even have to worry about updating your installed apps on Android.
There are plenty of Android updaters which autoupdate any app you want.

All this app installing & checking capability doesn't exist on the iPhone.
Is any of that explained in your document that supposedly explains that?

[Neil]

On 2/10/2023 10:28 PM, nospam wrote:
>> Saying they're similar is like saying a horse is similar to a jet airplane.
>
> no it's not.

Then how does the iOS app block individual app access to wifi or cellular?

>> They're not even close to the same when you look at what they say they do.
>
> they both block ads. that makes them similar. they do so in different
> ways, and which one is better depends on various factors.

Why does the iOS app product description say it only works inside Safari?

> one advantage of a content blocker is that it can differentiate content
> versus ads when both are served from the *same* *host*, which a hosts
> file cannot possibly do.

If you claiming they're similar then you should answer those two questions.

--
best regards,

Neil

[nospam]

In article <ts5ul4$13ofb$1...@dont-email.me>, Neil

<ne...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:

> >> Saying they're similar is like saying a horse is similar to a jet airplane.
> >
> > no it's not.
>
> Then how does the iOS app block individual app access to wifi or cellular?

same way as android.

once you figure out how android does it (and it's *very* obvious you do
not), you'll have your answer. simple. you might also learn that it has
more limitations on android than it does on ios.

> >> They're not even close to the same when you look at what they say they do.
> >
> > they both block ads. that makes them similar. they do so in different
> > ways, and which one is better depends on various factors.
>
> Why does the iOS app product description say it only works inside Safari?

because that's how that particular product was designed.

other products have different design goals and work in different ways.

no method is perfect. those who actually understand how things work can
choose which products (plural) work best for their needs and configure
them appropriately. those who do not understand are left flailing in
the dark, often using wildly outdated and ineffective methods.

> > one advantage of a content blocker is that it can differentiate content
> > versus ads when both are served from the *same* *host*, which a hosts
> > file cannot possibly do.
>
> If you claiming they're similar then you should answer those two questions.

diversion noted.

[Neil]

On 2/10/2023 6:05 PM, nospam wrote:
>> Then how does the iOS app block individual app access to wifi or cellular?
>
> same way as android.

You bullshit too much or you don't understand what those two apps do.

The $9.99 iOS app says it does almost nothing except block ads in Safari.
The free Android app says it blocks wifi & cellular & system wide ads.

>> Why does the iOS app product description say it only works inside Safari?
>
> because that's how that particular product was designed.

Which means the iOS app doesn't do anything near what the Android app does.

>> If you claiming they're similar then you should answer those two questions.
>
> diversion noted.

Those 2 questions show your claim the apps do similar things is bullshit.

--
best regards,

Neil

[nospam]

In article <ts64lp$14g0c$1...@dont-email.me>, Neil

<ne...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:

>
> The $9.99 iOS app says it does almost nothing except block ads in Safari.
> The free Android app says it blocks wifi & cellular & system wide ads.

and?

if the goal is blocking 'wifi & cellular & system wide ads', then
choose something other than adguard. duh.

you have previously claimed that those two are completely different, so
why do you continue to compare them as if they were the same?

claiming that something doesn't do what it was not designed to do is
not only bullshit, but it's incredibly sleazy.

this may come to you as a surprise, but there are many more ad blocking
tools than just those two examples, which work in different ways, with
different features and limitations.

[sms]

On 2/10/2023 11:07 AM, Neil wrote:
> On 2/10/2023 6:05 PM, nospam wrote:
>>> Then how does the iOS app block individual app access to wifi or
>>> cellular?
>>
>> same way as android.
>
> You bullshit too much or you don't understand what those two apps do.
>
> The $9.99 iOS app says it does almost nothing except block ads in Safari.
> The free Android app says it blocks wifi & cellular & system wide ads.

Not quite. While it does block ads only in Safari, it also offers DNS
filtering. See
<https://adguard.com/kb/adguard-for-ios/solving-problems/system-wide-filtering/>.
I added this to the two documents.

If you jailbreak an iPhone you can block Wi-Fi data from being used, on
a per-app basis, using the Network Disabler Tweak, see
<https://piunikaweb.com/2019/12/07/disable-network-apps-ios-13-jailbreak-tweak/>.
I also added this to the two documents. There is no way to accomplish
this without jailbreaking. This will not block ads on addresses that are
not redirected. Of course once you Jailbreak, you can just edit your
hosts file.

The issue here appears to be a lack of understanding the differences
between ad blocking and DNS redirection (and what the purpose of a hosts
file is) They are not equivalent. Try explaining this to a non-technical
person and their eyes will glaze over!

[Carlos E.R.]

Blocking hosts uses less memory and CPU (and less data transmitted). It
can also be done at the router.

It is just a method that can be used. It has pros and cons. To each its
own. No need to flame.

And no, I don't use it.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[sms]

On 2/10/2023 1:58 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

<snip>

> Blocking hosts uses less memory and CPU (and less data transmitted). It
> can also be done at the router.
>
> It is just a method that can be used. It has pros and cons. To each its
> own. No need to flame.

Whether you use a hosts file on the actual device, or use NetGuard or
AdGuard to block domains via a VPN (adding all the domains that would be
in your hosts file to Netguard or Adguard), the end result is the same.

The latter actually has cons, but the only con of a hosts file on the
machine is that on Android and iOS you have to root or jailbreak to edit
the hosts file. On Windows, MacOS, or Linux you can edit the hosts file
directly.

Once Apple allows non-WebKit browsers in iOS then the need for the ad
blocking capability of AdGuard for Safari will disappear, but the DNS
redirection capability will still be useful

Not everyone understands the advantages of hosts files but nospam can
read
<https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/networking/how-to-use-a-hosts-file-to-improve-your-internet-experience/>
to learn how hosts files work and why they are useful.

[nospam]

In article <ts6e7l$15g7r$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> If you jailbreak an iPhone you can block Wi-Fi data from being used,

there is no need to jailbreak to 'block wifi data from being used',
which would be a foolish thing to do.

>
> The issue here appears to be a lack of understanding the differences
> between ad blocking and DNS redirection (and what the purpose of a hosts
> file is) They are not equivalent.

indeed, and it's you and a certain other troll who think they are
somehow equivalent, mostly by comparing hosts file with content
blockers (which block more than ads, another thing they get wrong).

many people use *both*, another concept lost on them.

> Try explaining this to a non-technical
> person and their eyes will glaze over!

their eyes glaze over because they know when someone is pretending to
know things they do not and feeding them a load of crap.

[nospam]

In article <s8ribj...@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.

<robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:


> > the only people who wish they had the ability to use a hosts file are
> > living in the past and very ignorant about more effective modern
> > methods (or they're trolls).
>
> Blocking hosts uses less memory and CPU (and less data transmitted). It
> can also be done at the router.

the difference in cpu usage and memory is negligible, particularly
compared to the network query itself.

putting a hosts file on a router is non-trivial or impossible for
consumer routers, although some do have a content blocking feature
(often called parental control), with varying levels of effectiveness.
configurability and privacy.

a much better choice would be to use a pihole or equivalent, which is
continually updated and far more effective at blocking a wide variety
of stuff (not just ads), and can also be tweaked in ways not possible
for a hosts file.

> It is just a method that can be used. It has pros and cons.

everything does.

the trolls deliberately ignore that because it doesn't fit their
narrative.

> To each its
> own. No need to flame.

there is when trolls deliberately and continually lie about pretty much
everything. they revel in disinformation.

[nospam]

In article <ts6gvp$15olq$3...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> Once Apple allows non-WebKit browsers in iOS then the need for the ad
> blocking capability of AdGuard for Safari will disappear,

absolutely false.

comments like that is clear proof how little you know about ios, webkit
and ad blocking in general.

> but the DNS
> redirection capability will still be useful

that's not going away.

> Not everyone understands the advantages of hosts files but nospam can
> read

there you go again, resorting to ad hominem attacks.

instead of digging yourself a deeper hole, you should read about the
*disadvantages* of a hosts file and why they are obsolete as well as
more advanced methods, before commenting further.

[The Real Bev]

On 2/10/23 5:31 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-02-09 23:46, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 2/9/23 4:38 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 09.02.23 um 11:27 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>>> I use an addblocker on my computers, but not yet on my phone/tablet.
>>>
>>> On my Pixel I use FF as standard browser. There can be easily adblockers
>>> added. What I do not want to do is to install another browser.
>>>
>>> NoScript and uBlock Origin among a lot of other addons are available.
>>
>> Likewise, but FF is slower than what I assume is Chrome :-(  Mostly I
>> just want a quick answer/factoid so I just talk (I'm really lousy at
>> thumb typing) into the google fill-in box and hope for the best.  What's
>> annoying is the popups in other apps that obscure the screen until you
>> find the tiny X to get rid of it.
>
> Popups in other apps?

Yes. Apparently there are adblocking apps that get rid of those too.
NetGuard (the github version) seems to be one of them, but I haven't
looked at it yet.

> I only get those if they are internal to the app, and then I uninstall
> the app unless I absolutely need it, or it is the only advert. The
> weather app, I think does that. Or "eltiempo.es", I don't remember. Or I
> may buy the app if otherwise it is good and they promise to remove adds
> on purchase.
>
> Can adds be blocked in Chrome?

I have adblockplus for Chrome/linux, but I don't think there's an
android version. Hard to see why google would allow one for the desktop
version.

> I prefer FF, but the google search applet, and the news thing, use Chrome.


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[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 11.02.23 um 07:12 schrieb The Real Bev:

> I have adblockplus for Chrome/linux, but I don't think there's an
> android version. Hard to see why google would allow one for the desktop
> version.

Use Firefox and ad the much more transparent uBlock Origin to it and you
will get a completely new surf-feeling. Together with NoScript - wich is
nothing for beginners - it is an unmatched team.

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[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 11.02.23 um 07:35 schrieb Joerg Lorenz:

Works also on Firefox on Android.