Alan Browne <
bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-12-09 10:03, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> > On 09.12.23 14:12, Alan Browne wrote:
> >> On 2023-12-09 00:21, Your Name wrote:
> >>> It's only brainless morons who give a crap about what stupid colour a
> >>> bubble is in a messaging app anyway. :-\
> >>
> >> It's not about the "blue", it's about the functionality of iMessage.
> >
> > Bullshit. If Android- and iPhone-users want exchange messages there are
> > much superior solutions around: Mancufacturer-independent messengers
> > like Signal, Telegram, Threema, WhatsApp and a lot more with absolutely
> > the same functionality.
>
> iMessage is a subset (or co-set) of the iCloud functionality that makes
> the Apple "ecosphere" work seamlessly between Apple devices. This is
> not practically feasible between Android devices from different
> manufacturers (who want to lock in users themselves), Linux and Windows
> as keeping the specs in-line and up-to-date would be a nightmare. (aka:
> dependencies).
>
> So while messaging with, eg, Signal, can be a full and valuable
> experience, it is "islanded" within Signal's feature set.
Note that Jörg is comparing iMessage to the other mentioned IM
platforms.
Those IM platforms *are* available on multiple OS platforms. For
example WhatsApp is available on Android, iOS, macOS and for other
platforms there's WhatsApp Web. So WhatsApp not only works between
Apple devices, but also with/between the other mentioned devices.
So what you say "is not practically feasible", *is* actually possible.
And how's iMessage's "feature set" only on/between Apple devices
supposed to be better than - for example - WhatsApp's feature set
on/between Apple *and* non-Apple devices?
> > There are only two reasons why iPhone-users prefer iMsg:
> >
> > 1. The blue bubbles. :-D
>
> Not relevant in itself - just the way Apple presents it. (Oddly too
> since in later iOS and Mac versions the Message app icon is green - not
> blue... mysterious).
>
> > 2. The reliable end-to-end-encryption and the associated trust in the
> > provider Apple.
>
> Yes indeed - but there are other 'functions' within iMessage such as
> being able to edit a sent text (that the receiver also sees), reply to
> and have the reply connected to the specific individual message,
> deleting messages (that are deleted on the receiver's phone), etc.
WhatsApp can do most of that as well, with the possible exception of
"and have the reply connected to the specific individual message", if
that means threading (like is done in NetNews).
> So, much more than the blue-bubble and encryption.
>
> > You are really expert at this.
>
> True.
I fully accept that you know what iMessage can do, but don't -
implicitly - assume that another IM platform - which you do *not* use -
cannot do something.
Yes, we have a fair share of people who claim all kinds of (negative)
things about products which they do not use, but most of us are not in
that set of people. We just use stuff without getting all religious
about it.