Newsgroup cl;ient for Android

[Bob Henson]

I've had a look round and can't find an Android newsgroup client which can
read and post to Usenet. Is there one either free or at a small one-off
price - no subscriptions?


--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine.

[Jörg Lorenz]

Am 08.10.23 um 17:45 schrieb Bob Henson:

> I've had a look round and can't find an Android newsgroup client which can
> read and post to Usenet. Is there one either free or at a small one-off
> price - no subscriptions?

A news-client that complies with the standards in the Usenet does not
exist for Android.

Please do not use those two that are available but upset all other
users. They are utter crap.

--
Ave! Morituri te salutant!

[Andy Burns]

Bob Henson wrote:

> I've had a look round and can't find an Android newsgroup client which can
> read and post to Usenet. Is there one either free or at a small one-off
> price - no subscriptions?

Most people try a couple, then seem to say "not good enough", a few
people find one of them acceptable ...

[AJL]

On 10/8/23 8:45 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
>I've had a look round and can't find an Android newsgroup client which can
>read and post to Usenet. Is there one either free or at a small one-off
>price - no subscriptions?
>

I'm posting this using PhoNews Pro on an my Amazon Fire 7 tablet (uses an
Android fork). I paid 2 bucks (US) for it about 4 years ago. It's a PITA to
use but does work. I use it on my phone also. It's in the Play Store.

If you're using Android 9 or earlier I suggest Groundhog. It's broken and
read only after about Android 9. However I still use it that way for
monitoring and switch to another reader if I want to post. It was my all
time Android favorite. It's available free on several sites...

[VanguardLH]

Bob Henson <bob.h...@outlook.com> wrote:

> I've had a look round and can't find an Android newsgroup client which can
> read and post to Usenet. Is there one either free or at a small one-off
> price - no subscriptions?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.piaohong.newsgroup
Last update: Nov 2019.
Adware.
Author's web site is dead (usenet.sinaapp.com).

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.cmg.android.phonews
Reveals phone number and OS in headers of submissions.
Adware. Pay to get rid of ads (and that's all you pay for); see:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cmgapps.android.phonewspro
Nags to have you rate the app.

Groundhog
Home site (http://www.almarsoft.com/) is dead.
No longer listed at Play Store. Available at:
https://m.apkpure.com/groundhog-usenet-reader/com.almarsoft.GroundhogReader

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ken.android.nntpreader.pro
Payware.
Last update: Oct 2014.

https://nzbget.net/download

Some Usenet providers have their own HTTP-to-NNTP gateway to let you
access Usenet using your web browser. For example,
https://help.easynews.com/kb/article/368-how-to-get-easynews-on-your-mobile-device/.
There are also web-based forums that leech from Usenet using an
HTTP-to-NNTP gateway.

Yeah, there's Google Groups which have private web-based forums and
Usenet (newsgroups) mashed together. However, many Usenetizens filter
out Google Gropers due to all the spam, trolls, peuriles, and uber-boobs
that reside there.
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

Read the reviews of each app at the Play Store. All the Android NNTP
apps are crap if you are accustomed to using NNTP clients on desktops.

[AJL]

On 10/8/2023 9:50 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
> Bob Henson <bob.h...@outlook.com> wrote:

>> I've had a look round and can't find an Android newsgroup client
>> which can read and post to Usenet. Is there one either free or at a
>> small one-off price - no subscriptions?

> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.cmg.android.phonews>

> Reveals phone number

Check my last post's (PhoNews) headers. No phone number there. Maybe the
free version?

> and OS in headers of submissions.

Yup. Does have that. Kinda seems like bragging using an Android
newsreader to post in an Android group. How often do you see that these
days...

This Windows post's headers will reveal my T-bird use. Not only that it
reveals that I use an old version that's not always wanting to update
itself. I feel naked...

> Adware. Pay to get rid of ads (and that's all you pay for);

Yup. Was worth every cent of the 2 bucks I spent. 4 years worth of ads,
yuck...

> see:
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cmgapps.android.phonewspro>

> Nags to have you rate the app.

No nagging in recent years with mine. Maybe the free version?

[Ralph Fox]

On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 16:45:57 +0100, Bob Henson wrote:

> I've had a look round and can't find an Android newsgroup client which can
> read and post to Usenet. Is there one either free or at a small one-off
> price - no subscriptions?

On Android, I use PiaoHong's NewsGroup Reader

<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.piaohong.newsgroup>


Free Android newsgroup clients include:

* PiaoHong's NewsGroup Reader <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.piaohong.newsgroup>
* PhoNews <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.cmg.android.phonews>
* Usenet Reader for Android DEMO <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ken.android.nntpreader>


Android newsgroup clients with a one-off price include:

* Usenet NewsReader <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.piaohong.NewsReader>
* PhoNews Pro Newsgroup Client <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cmgapps.android.phonewspro>
* Usenet Reader for Android <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ken.android.nntpreader.pro>


--
Kind regards
Ralph Fox

ζητεῖτε καὶ εὑρήσετε

[Bob Henson]

That's more or less what the ones I looked at were like. I think, for the
odd times when I'm away from home, I'll manage without. Thanks for the
suggestions, folks.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Alimony - the Bounty on the Mutiny!

[Moribundo]

Bob Henson <bob.h...@outlook.com> Wrote in message:r
> I've had a look round and can't find an Android newsgroup client which canread and post to Usenet. Is there one either free or at a small one-offprice - no subscriptions?-- BobTetbury, Gloucestershire, EnglandChange is inevitable, except from a vending machine.

I use 'newsgroup' by piaohong, available on Google play. It's not
the best, but it works.
--


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html

[AJL]

Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> Wrote in message:r
> On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 16:45:57 +0100, Bob Henson wrote:> I've had a look round and can't find an Android newsgroup client which can> read and post to Usenet. Is there one either free or at a small one-off> price - no subscriptions?On Android, I use PiaoHong's NewsGroup Reader <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.piaohong.newsgroup>Free Android newsgroup clients include: * PiaoHong's NewsGroup Reader <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.piaohong.newsgroup> * PhoNews <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.cmg.android.phonews> * Usenet Reader for Android DEMO <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ken.android.nntpreader>Android newsgroup clients with a one-off price include: * Usenet NewsReader <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.piaohong.NewsReader> * PhoNews Pro Newsgroup Client <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cmgapps.android.phonewspro> * Usenet Reader for Android <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ken.android.nntpreader.pro>-- Kind regardsRalph Fox??????? ??? ????????

I have the paid version of NewsGroup Reader (NNTP Newsreader)
which I'm now posting with and it screws up the post as you can
see. I earlier went back and tried the NewsGroup reader version
and it did the same thing. Someone else here here had the same
problem in an earlier thread. I haven't used it in awhile so just
downloaded a new copy from my Play Store account. Have you tryed
posting with it recently?
--

[Wally J]

Bob Henson <bob.h...@outlook.com> wrote

> I've had a look round and can't find an Android newsgroup client which can
> read and post to Usenet. Is there one either free or at a small one-off
> price - no subscriptions?

https://xdaforums.com/t/a-list-of-android-usenet-newsreaders-how-to-search-reference-nntp-dejanews-google-web-archives-for-comp-mobile-android-newsgroup-topics-in-one-tap.4634973/

[AJL]

Moribundo <linde...@protonmail.com> Wrote in message:r
> Bob Henson <bob.h...@outlook.com> Wrote in message:r> I've had a look round and can't find an Android newsgroup client which canread and post to Usenet. Is there one either free or at a small one-offprice - no subscriptions?-- BobTetbury, Gloucestershire, EnglandChange is inevitable, except from a vending machine.I use 'newsgroup' by piaohong, available on Google play. It's not the best, but it works.-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html

Your post looks good. Headers say the same version as mine. Yet
look what mine does (above). I like it better than PhoNews so
wish I could figure out how to fix it. As I said someone else
here had the same problem. Android version maybe??
--

[Jörg Lorenz]

Am 08.10.23 um 19:55 schrieb Bob Henson:

> Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>
>> Am 08.10.23 um 17:45 schrieb Bob Henson:
>>> I've had a look round and can't find an Android newsgroup client which can
>>> read and post to Usenet. Is there one either free or at a small one-off
>>> price - no subscriptions?
>>
>> A news-client that complies with the standards in the Usenet does not
>> exist for Android.
>>
>> Please do not use those two that are available but upset all other
>> users. They are utter crap.
>
> That's more or less what the ones I looked at were like. I think, for the
> odd times when I'm away from home, I'll manage without. Thanks for the
> suggestions, folks.

It is better for your eyes anyway. And it is IMHO no fun to write
lengthy texts on a smartphone.

[Ralph Fox]

On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 12:35:42 -0700 (MST), AJL wrote:

> I have the paid version of NewsGroup Reader (NNTP Newsreader) which I'm now posting with and it screws up the post as you can see. I earlier went back and tried the NewsGroup reader version and it did the same thing. Someone else here here had the same problem in an earlier thread. I haven't used it in awhile so just downloaded a new copy from my Play Store account. Have you tryed posting with it recently?

You are right; it appears to remove all line breaks.

I read with Newsgroup Reader while on public transport many days, but
I post with it only rarely.

--
Kind regards
Ralph Fox

??

[Wally J]

Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> wrote

> I read with Newsgroup Reader while on public transport many days, but
> I post with it only rarely.

I read with a one-tap shortcut and while I could post using it, I don't.
<https://i.postimg.cc/fTppT16Q/newsgroup01.jpg>

[AJL]

On 10/8/2023 1:59 PM, Ralph Fox wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 12:35:42 -0700 (MST), AJL wrote:

>> I have the paid version of NewsGroup Reader (NNTP Newsreader)

>> which I'm now posting with and it screws up the post... [rest
>> snipped]

> You are right; it appears to remove all line breaks.

Moribundo gave me hope as his post with Newsgroup Reader looked normal.

> I read with Newsgroup Reader while on public transport many days, but
> I post with it only rarely.

If you do post with it please check back on if it posts OK. I've done
everything I can think of with mine but it's still broken. Guess I'll
delete it (again) for now...

[AJL]

Perhaps not but it's a good time killer. I often read and post when out
and about and waiting for you know who...

[Ralph Fox]

I did post with it (Newsgroup Reader) in my last post.

All the quoted text in my reply was unwrapped into a loooong line,
similar to your earlier example. My new added text was not affected
in the same way, again similar to your earlier example.

🦊

[AJL]

On 10/8/2023 7:02 PM, Ralph Fox wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 18:31:22 -0700, AJL wrote:
>> On 10/8/2023 1:59 PM, Ralph Fox wrote:
>>> On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 12:35:42 -0700 (MST), AJL wrote:
>>
>>>> I have the paid version of NewsGroup Reader (NNTP Newsreader)
>>>> which I'm now posting with and it screws up the post... [rest
>>>> snipped]
>>
>>> You are right; it appears to remove all line breaks.
>>
>> Moribundo gave me hope as his post with Newsgroup Reader looked
>> normal.
>>
>>> I read with Newsgroup Reader while on public transport many
>>> days, but I post with it only rarely.
>>
>> If you do post with it please check back on if it posts OK. I've
>> done everything I can think of with mine but it's still broken.
>> Guess I'll delete it (again) for now...
>
>
> I did post with it (Newsgroup Reader) in my last post.

Ah. I misunderstood.

> All the quoted text in my reply was unwrapped into a loooong line,
> similar to your earlier example. My new added text was not affected
> in the same way, again similar to your earlier example.

Ok. Thanks for the info. That's 3 of us that have reported the problem
here. I've tried it on most of my Android devices including a Chromebook
with the same result so I doubt it's the Android version or a device.
Please check back if you happen to learn a fix...

[The Real Bev]

That's why we need speech-to-text. I've used this keyboard for a long
time. Free. Super-configurable. And you can have a microphone. I
mostly don't write long messages, but I use soeech in preference to
typing whenever I can.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aitype.android.f


....
Cheers, Bev
"We're so far beyond fucked we couldn't even catch a bus
back to fucked." --Scott en Aztlan

Story here: Scott used to post regularly into ca.driving (California,
not Canada) years ago when usenet was actually alive. He drove a yellow
Corvette. And then he suddenly stopped posting. His posts had been
marked x-no-archive (were those the magic words?) and he had completely
disappeared from the face of the earth. He was clever and funny.
Usenet has enabled us to regret the loss of perfect strangers. That's
probably a good thing.

[Wally J]

The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote

>> It is better for your eyes anyway. And it is IMHO no fun to write
>> lengthy texts on a smartphone.
>
> That's why we need speech-to-text. I've used this keyboard for a long
> time. Free. Super-configurable. And you can have a microphone. I
> mostly don't write long messages, but I use soeech in preference to
> typing whenever I can.
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aitype.android.f

1. I don't disagree that a keyboard with a mic button is de rigueur.

2. I'm also aware that a Google keyboard-with-mic has privacy issues.

3. Hence, I'd use a non-Google privacy-aware keyboard-with-mic button.

Having said that, I would _not_ choose one that has advertisements.
And, I would _not_ choose one that incorporates GSF spyware into it.

This one has both ads, and it incorporates GSF spyware into the APK.
ai.type Keyboard & Emoji 2022 by ai.type
Contains ads,GSF,In-app purchases,4.0star,44.2K reviews,5M+Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aitype.android.f>

This one does not.
OpenBoard valencia by Software Valencia
Free, adfree, gsfree, 1K+Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.softwarevalencia.openboard.inputmethod.latin>

Note I previously suggested this; but the Google Play Store link is dead.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.dslul.openboard.inputmethod.latin>
<https://f-droid.org/packages/org.dslul.openboard.inputmethod.latin/>
<https://github.com/dslul/openboard>

It looks similar so I wonder if just the package name changed?
Anyone know more about what happened to the dslul openboard?

Funny thing happened when I installed it just now (since I already had
openboard previously installed). It didn't add itself to the keyboard list.

So I think they're one and the same but I'm not sure because the package
name is different. Anyone know more about this open source keyboard?
--
The whole point of Usenet is to find people who know more than you do.

[Jörg Lorenz]

Am 09.10.23 um 05:04 schrieb The Real Bev:

> On 10/8/23 1:23 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 08.10.23 um 19:55 schrieb Bob Henson:
>>> Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 08.10.23 um 17:45 schrieb Bob Henson:
>>>>> I've had a look round and can't find an Android newsgroup client which can
>>>>> read and post to Usenet. Is there one either free or at a small one-off
>>>>> price - no subscriptions?
>>>>
>>>> A news-client that complies with the standards in the Usenet does not
>>>> exist for Android.
>>>>
>>>> Please do not use those two that are available but upset all other
>>>> users. They are utter crap.
>>>
>>> That's more or less what the ones I looked at were like. I think, for the
>>> odd times when I'm away from home, I'll manage without. Thanks for the
>>> suggestions, folks.
>>
>> It is better for your eyes anyway. And it is IMHO no fun to write
>> lengthy texts on a smartphone.
>
> That's why we need speech-to-text. I've used this keyboard for a long
> time. Free. Super-configurable. And you can have a microphone. I
> mostly don't write long messages, but I use soeech in preference to
> typing whenever I can.

In a doctor's office, store or a library?
At home OK but not outside.

[Wally J]

Wally J <walte...@invalid.nospam> wrote

> So I think they're one and the same but I'm not sure because the package
> name is different. Anyone know more about this open source keyboard?

Doh! Ignorance can be cured... it's stupidity that can't....

I found out more and wrote it up over here just now to help others...

*Open source Android keyboard with microphone (no ads, free, gsf spyware free)*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/QCGrcbz8gCY>

[Alan]

That would be what "whenever I CAN" indicates.

> At home OK but not outside.

Why? Why nowhere but at home?

[The Real Bev]

Yeah, there is that. OTOH, I don't spend a lot of time in those places.
Mostly at home at the computer. Why do I even NEED a phone?


--
Cheers, Bev
"If you watch TV news, you know less about the world than
if you just drank gin straight from the bottle."
- Garrison Keillor

[Andy Burns]

AJL wrote:

> Your post looks good. Headers say the same version as mine. Yet look
> what mine does (above).

the stray ":r" that occurs twice, looks like something was trying to use
\r\n as a C-style carriage return plus line feed, but it went wrong,
can't think why it would, or how you could fix it though ...

[Jörg Lorenz]

Am 09.10.23 um 08:00 schrieb The Real Bev:

Good question!

Thinking a short moment: Twint (digital cash), public transport tickets,
internet banking, camera, phone, instant messengers, e-mail etc. etc.

Without it we are all dead.

[candycanearter07]

On 10/9/23 01:22, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 09.10.23 um 08:00 schrieb The Real Bev:

>> Yeah, there is that.  OTOH, I don't spend a lot of time in those places.
>>    Mostly at home at the computer.  Why do I even NEED a phone?
>
> Good question!
>
> Thinking a short moment: Twint (digital cash), public transport tickets,
> internet banking, camera, phone, instant messengers, e-mail etc. etc.
>
> Without it we are all dead.
>

Unfortunately, most of society is built around people having phones/tech
now.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

[Bob Henson]

Too true. I have to sit for a while each morning until my painkillers kick
in and I can walk more easily - so I fill the time doing Wordle, Tridle,
Digits and Sudoku etc. By the time I go downstairs to the "real" computer I
can't see it until my eyes recover from using the phone for so long. I can
find little to recommend old age, except it is better than the alternative.

I was looking at the Android possibility for my tablet computer when I'm
away from home for a day or two - but I reckon what's left of Usenet will
survive without my help for a while.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Monday is a terrible way to spend 1/7th of your life.

[Bob Henson]

Silly old library/noise story. Man walks into library and in a loud voice
says to the librarian,

"FISH AND CHIPS PLEASE!"

The librarian whispers back (as they do)

"Sir, this is a library."

"Sorry," whispers the man, "Fish and chips please"

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Karaoke is Japanese for tone-deaf!

[sticks]

I went to a High School football game last Friday night and ended up
having to sit in a large section that got filled with the student body
for the varsity game. It was disturbing to me the number of kids that
spent the entire game on their phones.

[Dave Royal]

There is (or was) another 'feature' of PiaoHong Newsreader which you may
not have noticed. It will ignore all posts which are replies and for which
it doesn't hold the post replied to - in the references header. So you
will not see a thread where the OP is missing - no threads beginning Re:

(It couldn't display any threads on the old mozilla server because their
gatewaying method generated non-existant references in the OP.)

Apart from that, it's good for reading but, as mentioned, lousy at
posting. It breaks links too.

It's a pity. It used to work well on Android 4.? on my Nexus 7. I
corresponded by email with PiaoHong himself (herself?) and he fixed
several bugs for me. It started failing around Android 6 and subsequent
updates made it worse, as can be seen from the comments in the playstore.

There can't be much wrong with it, if only someone in Korea could get hold
of and publish the code.
--
(Remove any numerics from my email address.)

[The Real Bev]

Frequent camera. Occasional phone. Occasional map. Occasional check
deposit. Rare email/google chat. Never anything involving money. A
hundred other rare uses.

I guess it's just a pocket camera with comm privileges :-)

[The Real Bev]

So many old movies would be absolutely pointless if people had had
cellphones then.

[AJL]

Andy Burns wrote:
> AJL wrote:

>> Your post looks good. Headers say the same version as mine. Yet

>> look what mine does (above). [using Newsgroup Reader]

> the stray ":r" that occurs twice, looks like something was trying to
> use \r\n as a C-style carriage return plus line feed, but it went
> wrong, can't think why it would, or how you could fix it though ...

If one had enough patience one could edit the quote lines back to the
way they should be by adding carriage returns where needed before
posting. Might work but a definite PITA...

I messed with it again (my paid version) last night. Tried every setting
I could think of but no help. Rather than dump it I think I'll just
leave it on one of my tablets to play with when I have some spare time
(which is always)... ;)

[AJL]

On 10/9/2023 7:23 AM, Dave Royal wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Oct 2023 19:30:31 -0700, AJL wrote:

>> I have the paid version of NewsGroup Reader (NNTP Newsreader)
>> which I'm now posting with and it screws up the post.

> There is (or was) another 'feature' of PiaoHong Newsreader which you
> may not have noticed. It will ignore all posts which are replies and
> for which it doesn't hold the post replied to - in the references
> header. So you will not see a thread where the OP is missing - no
> threads beginning Re: (It couldn't display any threads on the old
> mozilla server because their gatewaying method generated non-existant
> references in the OP.)

Interesting. I had not noticed that.

> Apart from that, it's good for reading but, as mentioned, lousy at
> posting. It breaks links too.

In redownloading and messing with it because of this thread I noticed a
new quirk. It won't download all the threads. I get about 10-15 of the
most recent but no more.

> It's a pity. It used to work well on Android 4.? on my Nexus 7.

I don't remember the last Android version that worked for me. My current
oldest version would be my Amazon Fire HD10+ tablet which uses a fork of
Android 9 which is where I currently have it loaded and tried everything
I could think of with no joy...

> I corresponded by email with PiaoHong himself (herself?) and he
> fixed several bugs for me. It started failing around Android 6 and
> subsequent updates made it worse, as can be seen from the comments
> in the playstore.

Yup. It got some very bad reviews in recent years.

My Google purchase record says I bought mine on 2-19-17 for $4.96 (US)
so guess I (probably) got my moneys worth.

BTW It also says that I bought my PhoNews Pro on 6-25-19 for $1.99 and
it still works. Better deal? Crossing my fingers for the future....

> There can't be much wrong with it, if only someone in Korea could
> get hold of and publish the code.

Wouldn't help me much unless somebody who knows code fixes and posts it...

[AJL]

AJL <noe...@none.com> wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:

>> the stray ":r" that occurs twice, looks like something was trying to
>> use \r\n as a C-style carriage return plus line feed, but it went
>> wrong, can't think why it would, or how you could fix it though ...

> If one had enough patience one could edit the quote lines back
> to the way they should be by adding carriage returns where needed
> before posting. Might work but a definite PITA...

Ok, I tried a little editing. Lets see what happens...

(Am using the News Group reader on a Fire 7 tablet)
--

[AJL]

AJL <noe...@none.com> Wrote in message:r
> AJL <noe...@none.com> wrote:> Andy Burns wrote:>> the stray ":r" that occurs twice, looks like something was trying to>> use \r\n as a C-style carriage return plus line feed, but it went>> wrong, can't think why it would, or how you could fix it though ...> If one had enough patience one could edit the quote lines back > to the way they should be by adding carriage returns where needed > before posting. Might work but a definite PITA...Ok, I tried a little editing. Lets see what happens...(Am using the News Group reader on a Fire 7 tablet)--

It worked but I'm not doing it again. Definate PITA...
--

[Ralph Fox]

On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 14:23:32 -0000 (UTC), Dave Royal wrote:

> There is (or was) another 'feature' of PiaoHong Newsreader which you may
> not have noticed. It will ignore all posts which are replies and for which
> it doesn't hold the post replied to - in the references header. So you
> will not see a thread where the OP is missing - no threads beginning Re:

Yes, I had noticed that.

This has not bothered me too much in the groups which I read in
PiaoHong's NewsGroup Reader. And it has had one benefit: it has
filtered out trolls who crosspost replies into the group I read.


--
Cheers
Ralph Fox

“Those who have knowledge, don't predict.
Those who predict, don't have knowledge.”
-- Lao Tzû, 6th century B.C.

[AJL]

Bob Henson wrote:

>I was looking at the Android possibility for my tablet computer when I'm
>away from home for a day or two - but I reckon what's left of Usenet will
>survive without my help for a while.

Or a phone. I'll be no one else here has posted while sitting in a Target
restroom... :-/ Like I said, a great time killer...

[candycanearter07]

On 10/9/23 10:43, The Real Bev wrote:
> So many old movies would be absolutely pointless if people had had
> cellphones then.

I mean, there's a reason every horror movie has to get rid of peoples
phones.

[candycanearter07]

On 10/9/23 03:38, Bob Henson wrote:
> I was looking at the Android possibility for my tablet computer when I'm
> away from home for a day or two - but I reckon what's left of Usenet will
> survive without my help for a while.

If it's survived 30 years..

[Jörg Lorenz]

Am 09.10.23 um 20:00 schrieb AJL:

> AJL <noe...@none.com> Wrote in message:r
>> AJL <noe...@none.com> wrote:> Andy Burns wrote:>> the stray ":r" that occurs twice, looks like something was trying to>> use \r\n as a C-style carriage return plus line feed, but it went>> wrong, can't think why it would, or how you could fix it though ...> If one had enough patience one could edit the quote lines back > to the way they should be by adding carriage returns where needed > before posting. Might work but a definite PITA...Ok, I tried a little editing. Lets see what happens...(Am using the News Group reader on a Fire 7 tablet)--
>
> It worked but I'm not doing it again. Definate PITA...

It is a disaster!
Lines do not wrap. Unreadable.

[Dave Royal]

AJL <noe...@none.com> Wrote in message:

>I'm not doing it again. Definate PITA...

If I have to use PiaoHong I usually avoid quoting, or just a line
or two.

And I still had to remove the 'r' and the sig delimiter and add the >

Hopeless.
--
Remove numerics from email address

[Dave Royal]

On 09 Oct 2023 06:46:45 +1300 Ralph Fox wrote:

>On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 16:45:57 +0100, Bob Henson wrote:
>
>> I've had a look round and can't find an Android newsgroup client which can
>> read and post to Usenet. Is there one either free or at a small one-off
>> price - no subscriptions?
>
>

>On Android, I use PiaoHong's NewsGroup Reader
>
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.piaohong.newsgroup>
>
>
>Free Android newsgroup clients include:
>
>* PiaoHong's NewsGroup Reader
><https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.piaohong.newsgroup>
>* PhoNews
><https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.cmg.android.phonews>
>* Usenet Reader for Android DEMO
><https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ken.android.nntpreader>
>
>
>Android newsgroup clients with a one-off price include:
>
>* Usenet NewsReader
><https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.piaohong.NewsReader>
>* PhoNews Pro Newsgroup Client
><https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cmgapps.android.phonewspro>
>* Usenet Reader for Android
><https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ken.android.nntpreader.pro>
>

There is also HotDogEd and HotDogEd NNTP provider. It's in Playstore I
think. Somebody was promoting it a few months back - on this NG? - and I
tried it. It is really a FidoNet client but with a (abandoned?) NNTP
provider but it does work with usenet.

I installed it on this Android 13 tablet. It was _extremely_ difficult to
install - to get the client to recognise the provider, and I suspected it
of draining the battery, but I got it going. It has an interesting way of
quoting. If I didn't have this client I might have persisted with it.

This client I wrote myself, in Python using Kivy, to handle Mozilla's news
server - now closed down. It's incomplete, and far too slow for release.


--
(Remove numerics from email address)

[Bob Henson]

VanguardLH wrote:

> Bob Henson <bob.h...@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> I've had a look round and can't find an Android newsgroup client which can
>> read and post to Usenet. Is there one either free or at a small one-off
>> price - no subscriptions?
>

> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.piaohong.newsgroup
> Last update: Nov 2019.
> Adware.
> Author's web site is dead (usenet.sinaapp.com).
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.cmg.android.phonews
> Reveals phone number and OS in headers of submissions.
> Adware. Pay to get rid of ads (and that's all you pay for); see:
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cmgapps.android.phonewspro
> Nags to have you rate the app.

I've been trying PhoNews Pro - the comments in the newsgroup weren't too
scathing about it. My messages in uk.test look fine and, despite being
very limited in function, PhoNews worked OK. Having has to deal with the
messes made by G2/googlegroups, Outlook Express and others over the years I
was trying to avoid any hassle to other users. They show up fine at this
end, so I'll keep that on my tablet for use away from home.

Thanks to everyone who commented/helped.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Keyboard - standard device for generating computer errors.

[AJL]

Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> AJL wrote: [defective quotes snipped]

>> It worked but I'm not doing it again. Definite PITA...

> It is a disaster! Lines do not wrap. Unreadable.

My editing DID work. It was my PREVIOUS post that was edited by
inserting the carriage returns. This post was my comment that the last
post worked and I was just too lazy to edit it also (or change readers
or use a test group). Complicated, I know. Apologies. Won't happen again...

[AJL]

On 10/10/2023 12:20 AM, Dave Royal wrote:

> If I have to use PiaoHong I usually avoid quoting, or just a line or
> two.

> And I still had to remove the 'r' and the sig delimiter and add the
> >

> Hopeless.

Agreed. I deleted mine (again)...

[AJL]

On 10/10/2023 5:11 AM, Bob Henson wrote:

> I've been trying PhoNews Pro - the comments in the newsgroup weren't
> too scathing about it.

It takes a little getting used to and it's not as easy to use as T-bird
but it works for me especially when I'm out and sitting around... ;)

I usually leave mine on this screen and new posts show up at the top:

Tick comp.mobile.android
Tick the ground icon (not the 3 dots)
Tick Unread

On this screen new posts show up at the top and go away as you read them
(in any order). I leave mine open to this screen. But if you want to
change groups you have to repeat the process...

[Frank Slootweg]

Can you recommend PhoNews to/for Bob?

In general Android newsreaders are rather bad, but you seem to be
doing quite well with what you use.

[Frank Slootweg]

Ignore that. I see you already mentioned PhoNews (and GroundHog) to
Bob.

Note to self: First read all bloody 40++ responses before responding.

[AJL]

It appears he got PhoNews so guess my rest room sales pitch worked... ;)

> Note to self: First read all bloody 40++ responses before responding.

That's the thing I like about Windows T-bird. I can read all the posts,
respond as I read them one by one, and send them as a pack when done. Up
until they're sent I can edit or cancel any of them.

Just got home from the store with a new toy. A Lenovo 11" Chrome tablet.
This is my first post with it using, what else, PhoNews... (hope it works)

[Wally J]

Dave Royal <da...@dave123royal.com> wrote

> There is also HotDogEd and HotDogEd NNTP provider. It's in Playstore I
> think.

Can this app be set up to a normal NNTP newshost (server:119,uname/passwd)?
<https://i.postimg.cc/W4vBzRrs/hotdog02.jpg>

There are two of them in the playstore (as you said).
<https://i.postimg.cc/nz18wwKR/hotdog01.jpg>

This says it's "an nntp client for the HotdogEd editor" (whatever that is).
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pushkin.hotdoged.nntp>

I guess HotdogEd is "a powerful plugin-based fidonet and nntp client."
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pushkin.hotdoged>

but I don't see any setting to set the NNTP host:port & username/passwd.

Can this app be st up to a normal NNTP newshost?
server = news.nntp.com
port = 119
username = foo
password = bar
--
The whole point of Usenet is to find people who know more than you do.

[Wally J]

Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote

> Bob Henson wrote:
>
>> I've had a look round and can't find an Android newsgroup client which can
>> read and post to Usenet. Is there one either free or at a small one-off
>> price - no subscriptions?
>

> Most people try a couple, then seem to say "not good enough", a few
> people find one of them acceptable ...

To continue to add value to that concept, and to the Android newsgroup
tribal knowledge, I ran a search on the free Skyica App Finder for
"Usenet", which found it used in the description for the following apps
on the Google Play Store repository...

<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.mann.usenetpanda>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ken.android.nntpreader.pro>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ken.android.nntpreader>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.piaohong.NewsReader>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.piaohong.newsgroup>'
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.cmg.android.phonews>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cmgapps.android.phonewspro>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kevinforeman.nzb360>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=sic.nzb.app>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pushkin.hotdoged.nntp>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kroegerama.nzblnk>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.arielerdman.nzbsearch>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.ballmerlabs.subrosa>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.esseppicode.ggrouppro>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.chillaxing.easynews>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.chillaxing.easynews.unlock>

Of course, not all are Usenet newsreaders, but all have "Usenet"
as a keyword in the description.

See also:
<https://xdaforums.com/t/a-list-of-android-usenet-newsreaders-how-to-search-reference-nntp-dejanews-google-web-archives-for-comp-mobile-android-newsgroup-topics-in-one-tap.4634973/>

[Frank Slootweg]

AJL <noe...@none.com> wrote:
> On 10/10/23 10:30 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

[...]

> > Note to self: First read all bloody 40++ responses before responding.
>
> That's the thing I like about Windows T-bird. I can read all the posts,
> respond as I read them one by one, and send them as a pack when done. Up
> until they're sent I can edit or cancel any of them.

My setup works similar.

My newsreader (tin) posts directly, but since it posts to my personal/
local 'caching'/'proxy' news-server (Hamster), it won't go out till I do
a manual pull/push, so I could delete the too-hasty posts. But because
my middle name is 'Stupid', I often do a pull/push right after posting,
so Hamster can't save my bacon! :-(

> Just got home from the store with a new toy. A Lenovo 11" Chrome tablet.
> This is my first post with it using, what else, PhoNews... (hope it works)

Looks allright. Enjoy your new toy (and the 'old' ones)!

[Dave Royal]

On 10 Oct 2023 21:26:09 -0000 (UTC) AJL wrote:
>
>Just got home from the store with a new toy. A Lenovo 11" Chrome tablet.
> This is my first post with it using, what else, PhoNews... (hope it works)
>

Can you post a couple of long links - more than 90 characters say - one
with enclosing delimiters <...> and one without?

PiaoHong used to break links on sending. Some reading clients can re-join
them.

[AJL]

On 10/11/2023 4:20 AM, Dave Royal wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2023 21:26:09 -0000 (UTC) AJL wrote:

>> Just got home from the store with a new toy. A Lenovo 11" Chrome
>> tablet. This is my first post with it using, what else, PhoNews...
>> (hope it works)

> Can you post a couple of long links - more than 90 characters say -
> one with enclosing delimiters <...> and one without?

Not sure exactly what you want here. Did you want the links made using
PhoNews (that I was posting with in the above quote)?

> PiaoHong

Because PhoNews isn't by PiaoHong, it's by Christian Grach.

NewsGroup Reader (and the paid version NNTP Reader) is by PiaoHong.

> used to break links on sending.

They (both versions) still do. They break everything not just links.
I've been recently posting with them and annoying the folks here. An
example:

<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/-d_L12-cC-Q/m/-j7GMCllBAAJ>

> Some reading clients can re-join them.

Perhaps, but why annoy the folks with clients that don't?

Again, perhaps I'm misunderstanding you. Let me know exactly what you
want and I'll try to help. But I've deleted my PiaoHong newsreaders (for
good this time), so can't help with them...

[AJL]

On 10/11/2023 3:44 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> AJL <noe...@none.com> wrote:
>> On 10/10/23 10:30 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

>>> Note to self: First read all bloody 40++ responses before
>>> responding.

>> That's the thing I like about Windows T-bird. I can read all the
>> posts, respond as I read them one by one, and send them as a pack
>> when done. Up until they're sent I can edit or cancel any of them.

> My setup works similar.

> My newsreader (tin) posts directly, but since it posts to my
> personal/ local 'caching'/'proxy' news-server (Hamster), it won't go
> out till I do a manual pull/push, so I could delete the too-hasty
> posts.

Sounds good. PhoNews is one-by-one so I have to be careful when using
it. This T-bird newsreader is my favorite. I've used Windows emulators
in the past to sneak it onto Android stuff, but my new Chrome tablet's
security won't allow such shenanigans...

> But because my middle name is 'Stupid', I often do a pull/push right
> after posting, so Hamster can't save my bacon! :-(

Don't be so hard on yourself. We all messxd up sometimes.

>> Just got home from the store with a new toy. A Lenovo 11" Chrome
>> tablet. This is my first post with it using, what else, PhoNews...
>> (hope it works)

> Looks allright. Enjoy your new toy (and the 'old' ones)!

When I get tired playing with the old toys they go to the
great-grandkids. Win-win. I used to give em to the grandkids but some of
them are now in their late 30s... 8-O

[Dave Royal]

I'd like to see a couple of long links - like the one you just posted (and
PAN has just broken in my quote, I suspect) - posted in PhoNews. Maybe a
bit longer (that was 78 chars).

I'm interested in whether it's _better_ in that respect than PiaoHong.

And whether it behaves differently if you put the link in <> like you just
did.
--
(Remove any numerics from my email address.)

[AJL]

<https://aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa>

https://zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Like that? Done in PhoNews as requested. No repeat button in PhoNews. Had to
hit the letter 200 times. Whew. Heading to the shower...

[AJL]

On 10/11/2023 10:53 AM, AJL wrote:
> On 10/11/23 10:03 AM, Dave Royal wrote:

>> I'd like to see a couple of long links - like the one you just posted
>> (and PAN has just broken in my quote, I suspect) - posted in PhoNews.
>> Maybe a bit longer (that was 78 chars).
>>
>> I'm interested in whether it's _better_ in that respect than PiaoHong.
>>
>> And whether it behaves differently if you put the link in <> like you
>> just did.

> <https://aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa>

In PhoNews I only see one long line that goes off the screen and can't
scroll to the end. In T-bird It also goes off the screen but I can
scroll to the end.

> https://zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

In PhoNews this link is gone. I'm guessing appended to the other link
since I can't scroll to see it. In T-bird it's there but also off the
page requiring scrolling to see the end.

> Like that? Done in PhoNews as requested. No repeat button in PhoNews.
> Had to
> hit the letter 200 times. Whew. Heading to the shower...

<https://aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa>

https://zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Here they are using T-bird for caparison. Thankfully T-bird has copy and
paste...

[Dave Royal]

On 11 Oct 2023 17:53:20 -0000 (UTC) AJL wrote:
>
><https://aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa>
>
>
>https://zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>
>Like that? Done in PhoNews as requested. No repeat button in PhoNews. Had to
> hit the letter 200 times. Whew. Heading to the shower...

Seems OK. I'll quote them in PyKiN to see if they break like in PAN.

[candycanearter07]

On 10/11/23 13:07, AJL wrote:
> In PhoNews I only see one long line that goes off the screen and can't
> scroll to the end. In T-bird It also goes off the screen but I can
> scroll to the end.
>
>> https://zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I use Thunderbird, the text wraps for me.

[AJL]

On 10/11/23 5:41 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>On 10/11/23 13:07, AJL wrote:

>> In PhoNews I only see one long line that goes off the screen and can't
>> scroll to the end. In T-bird It also goes off the screen but I can
>> scroll to the end.

https://zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

>I use Thunderbird, the text wraps for me.

Your headers say you are using Betterbird...

[candycanearter07]

Right, sorry. They look really similar.

[Dave Royal]

On 9 Oct 2023 09:38:40 +0100 Bob Henson wrote:
>
>I was looking at the Android possibility for my tablet computer when I'm
>away from home for a day or two - but I reckon what's left of Usenet will
>survive without my help for a while.
>

I've using Android tablets continuously since 2012, and recently as my
main device. Having read all the suggestions in this thread, and taken
another look at a phonews, I recommend you use the PiaoHong Newsreader,
BUT don't post with it. Or if you must*, don't quote more than a line or
two and add an apology for that.

It's reading facities are very good:

<https://www.cjoint.com/data/MJmgNU138Ge_Screenshot-20231012-073445-NewsReader.jpg>

<https://www.cjoint.com/data/MJmgQn6uxie_Screenshot-20231012-073451-NewsReader.jpg>

I've tried to get hold of the code - I'm sure I could fix it. I've tried
decompiling it too, but that was beyond me.

I used to run tin on my previous phone - Sailfish not Android:
<https://openrepos.net/content/peterleinchen/tin>

I reckon that's a possible approach, especially with a one line virtual
keyboard for reading - a full one takes too much space. Anybody here have
ideas for a terminal emulator + tin + vkb app?

* <https://xkcd.com/386/>

[Frank Slootweg]

Dave Royal <da...@dave123royal.com> wrote:
[...]

> I used to run tin on my previous phone - Sailfish not Android:
> <https://openrepos.net/content/peterleinchen/tin>
>
> I reckon that's a possible approach, especially with a one line virtual
> keyboard for reading - a full one takes too much space. Anybody here have
> ideas for a terminal emulator + tin + vkb app?

A news.software.readers regular has built trn under Termux and hence
it also should be possible to build tin under Termux.

Termux [1] is a Linux-like environment for Android, so one could build
other 'console' newsreaders, such as slrn and tin. (As you can see in my
User-Agent: header, I'm a tin user (addict? :-)), but I do not use it on
my smartphone or tablet.).

[1] 'Termux'
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux>

[Dave Royal]

I will investigate. Currently it's unstable on Android 12 which I have:
<https://github.com/termux/termux-app#installation>

Ideally you could navigate tin (left, right, etc) with gestures, only
needing a vitual keyboard for typing a post.

[Wally J]

Dave Royal <da...@dave123royal.com> wrote

> I've tried to get hold of the code - I'm sure I could fix it. I've tried
> decompiling it too, but that was beyond me.

Tools for reverse engineering APKs exist.
https://xdaforums.com/t/tool-apk-editor-studio-free-apk-reverse-engineering-tool.3972529/

See also cloning apps.
https://xdaforums.com/t/tool-clonemyapp-android-apk-cloner.4513777/
https://clonemy.app/

See also the Windows freeware...
https://qwertycube.com/apk-editor-studio/
https://apktool.org/docs/install/

[Wally J]

Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

Frank, as usual, is completely ignorant of Termux, even as we've discussed
this issue before - which simply means Frank is incapable of learning it.

While Frank's idea is valid, Frank ignored all the previous warnings about
_that_ specific Termux, which the Termux developers themselves deprecated.

So while you should use Termux, do not use _that_ Termux Frank suggested.

*Termux* by Fredrik Fornwall
free, adfree, gsffree, 4.1star, 157K reviews, 10M+Downloads
<https://github.com/termux/termux-app>
<https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.termux/>
<https://f-droid.org/repo/com.termux_118.apk>

Warning: Google Play versions of Termux are deprecated:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux>
<https://github.com/termux/termux-app>
"Termux and its plugins are no longer updated on Google Play Store
due to android 10 issues and have been deprecated. The last version
released for Android >= 7 was v0.101. It is highly recommended to
not install Termux apps from Play Store any more."

But what is this?
<https://packages.termux.dev/>

[Wally J]

Dave Royal <da...@dave123royal.com> wrote

>>[1] 'Termux'
>><https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux>
>
> I will investigate. Currently it's unstable on Android 12 which I have:
> <https://github.com/termux/termux-app#installation>
>
> Ideally you could navigate tin (left, right, etc) with gestures, only
> needing a vitual keyboard for typing a post.

I was involved in some of those conversations long ago as Frank had made
the exact same Termux build suggestion a little more than a year ago.
<https://groups.google.com/g/news.software.readers/c/hN9OvnFFbZc/m/3URuX_PPAQAJ>

Here's a snippet of those discussions from the past...

FWIW, I got trn to compile and run in the Termux shell today. It needed
a very small amount of code fiddling.

Gotcha 1:
Added the termux include and lib paths to glibpth and locincpth in
config.sh (/data/data/com.termux/files/usr/lib and
/data/data/com.termux/files/usr/include).

Gotcha 2:
Can't use /bin/sh, the sh to use is in a different directory. This is
one of the more tedious things to fix, since it was ingrained in the
authors that /bin/sh would just work. I used
/data/data/com.termux/files/bin/sh instead. This needs to be fixed in
the Makefile after running Configure and might need fixing in the
various shell scripts created.

Gotcha 3:
Needed a b*-to-mem* patch, stick it in a a new file and modify Makefile,
or stick it in an existing .c file. Make sure -lc is used during link.

/*
* strings.h functions bcopy / bcmp / bzero are obsolete,
* replaced with string.h memcpy / memcmp / memset
* A fix file for older software.
*/

#include <string.h>

/* compares two strings and returns 0 if the same, non-zero otherwise.
* memcmp is more explicit about what the non-zero value is than bcmp
*/
int bcmp(const void *sa, const void *sb, size_t sl) {
int result = memcmp(sa, sb, sl);

if(result) {
return(1);
}
return(0);
}

/* memcpy returns the old value of dst, bcopy returns nothing.
* the two also switch src/dst order
*/
void bcopy(const void *src, void *dst, size_t sl) {
(void)memcpy(dst, src, sl);
return;
}

/* bzero sets everything to zero. memset can set any value */
void bzero(void *nuke, size_t sl) {
(void)memset(nuke, 0, sl);
return;
}

Gotcha 4:
The bison provided in Termux doesn't like the parsedate.y source. I
built the parsedate.c file on another system with bison, and then it
compiled and linked just fine. YMMV.

Gotcha 5:
There are no password file functions, so a judicious return() from
the setusername() function in env.c was necessary (right before first
#ifdef). The code is designed to cope with that function failing to do
anything useful.

Gotcha 6:
Hard links don't work. In util.c, I changed a call to finalize(1) to
return() to prevent hard links failing causing trn to quit early.

Gotcha 7:
Pnews isn't working, so posting doesn't work. This is probably an easy
fix once I look at it. (Pnews is a shell script.)

Gotcha N:
I haven't tested Rnmail, but I fully expect that to not work. For one
thing, I don't have a sendmail tool to actually send mail.

Gotcha N+1:
I haven't tested authenticated NNTP. I know that trn supports this, but
I recall having to replace the included inews for that in the past. (The
inews tool is used by Pnews to actually post the posts.)

The Good:
But the compile I had zero issues reading posts off of the test NNTP
server I used.

NNTPSERVER=news.mozilla.org ./trn

Get termux, compile tin on it, connect to Eternal September?

I've compiled trn4 on termux and used it very briefly, but I find
termux -> ssh -> tmux -> trn4 to be a better set up for maintaining
my read state consistently.

[Andy Burns]

On 12/10/2023 01:41, candycanearter07 wrote:

> On 10/11/23 13:07, AJL wrote:
>> In PhoNews I only see one long line that goes off the screen and can't
>> scroll to the end. In T-bird It also goes off the screen but I can
>> scroll to the end.
>>
>>> https://zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>
> I use Thunderbird, the text wraps for me.

I also use TB, but it doesn't wrap for me.

[AJL]

Candy was using a different app, not TB. He just made a mistake.

And I made a mistake as well in my post above and probably should correct it
for those considering this PhoNews newsreader app that I'm using. It does
in fact scroll to the end of the line. I discovered that it depends on
where you touch. There is an invisible border on the screen below the
lowest text. Touch below that and no horizontal scroll. Touch above and it
scrolls just fine...

[s|b]

On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 17:51:34 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

> A news-client that complies with the standards in the Usenet does not
> exist for Android.
>
> Please do not use those two that are available but upset all other
> users. They are utter crap.

Why do they upset 'all other users' ?

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[Jörg Lorenz]

Am 13.10.23 um 19:11 schrieb s|b:

Non-compliant to any standard with all side-effects.

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