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Robert
Aug 30, 2023, 5:05:11 PM8/30/23
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Evening all,
"The USENET management committee has reconvened and there are green
shoots of growth in the original, pre-World Wide Web social network.
USENET, or NetNews, is a text-only social discussions forum, or rather a
set of a great many forums, called "newsgroups," carried by multiple
servers around the world. Although the original developers closed down
their instance in 2010, that was just one server out of hundreds, and
many are still running just fine. It never went away – it's still alive,
you can get on it for free, and there is a choice of client apps for
most OSes to help you navigate."
Article here:
<https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/30/usenet_revival/>
--
Rob
"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational
in order to prove that you care, or, indeed, why it should be necessary
to prove it at all." - Avon, Blake's 7
"The USENET management committee has reconvened and there are green
shoots of growth in the original, pre-World Wide Web social network.
USENET, or NetNews, is a text-only social discussions forum, or rather a
set of a great many forums, called "newsgroups," carried by multiple
servers around the world. Although the original developers closed down
their instance in 2010, that was just one server out of hundreds, and
many are still running just fine. It never went away – it's still alive,
you can get on it for free, and there is a choice of client apps for
most OSes to help you navigate."
Article here:
<https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/30/usenet_revival/>
--
Rob
"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational
in order to prove that you care, or, indeed, why it should be necessary
to prove it at all." - Avon, Blake's 7
Sn!pe
Aug 30, 2023, 5:45:55 PM8/30/23
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Robert <mons...@spammedia.com> wrote:
> Evening all,
>
> "The USENET management committee has reconvened and there are green
> shoots of growth in the original, pre-World Wide Web social network.
>
> USENET, or NetNews, is a text-only social discussions forum, or rather a
> set of a great many forums, called "newsgroups," carried by multiple
> servers around the world. Although the original developers closed down
> their instance in 2010, that was just one server out of hundreds, and
> many are still running just fine. It never went away – it's still alive,
> you can get on it for free, and there is a choice of client apps for
> most OSes to help you navigate."
>
> Article here:
> <https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/30/usenet_revival/>
>
[APPLAUSE]
> Evening all,
>
> "The USENET management committee has reconvened and there are green
> shoots of growth in the original, pre-World Wide Web social network.
>
> USENET, or NetNews, is a text-only social discussions forum, or rather a
> set of a great many forums, called "newsgroups," carried by multiple
> servers around the world. Although the original developers closed down
> their instance in 2010, that was just one server out of hundreds, and
> many are still running just fine. It never went away – it's still alive,
> you can get on it for free, and there is a choice of client apps for
> most OSes to help you navigate."
>
> Article here:
> <https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/30/usenet_revival/>
>
--
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Retrograde
Aug 30, 2023, 7:08:05 PM8/30/23
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 22:45:53 +0100
snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
> Robert <mons...@spammedia.com> wrote:
>
> > Evening all,
> >
> > "The USENET management committee has reconvened and there are green
> > shoots of growth in the original, pre-World Wide Web social network.
Very cool. I like Liam Proven's articles; he's a good writer. The fun
snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
> Robert <mons...@spammedia.com> wrote:
>
> > Evening all,
> >
> > "The USENET management committee has reconvened and there are green
> > shoots of growth in the original, pre-World Wide Web social network.
thing about Usenet is that it never left, and by its very design,
was/is able to stick around as long as there are folks interested in
running a server and peering to at least one other server.
I ran one for a while. Slightly hairy/slightly above my level of
expertise, but I enjoyed it. Usenet rules. Noone owns it so no one
can pull the kind of shenanigans you now see on Twitter/Reddit.
Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
yeti
Aug 30, 2023, 7:31:44 PM8/30/23
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Retrograde <fun...@amongus.com> writes:
> The fun thing about Usenet is that it never left, and by its very
> design, was/is able to stick around as long as there are folks
> interested in running a server and peering to at least one other
> server.
It should be done more often and ...
> The fun thing about Usenet is that it never left, and by its very
> design, was/is able to stick around as long as there are folks
> interested in running a server and peering to at least one other
> server.
> I ran one for a while. Slightly hairy/slightly above my level of
> expertise,
> but I enjoyed it.
\o/
> Usenet rules. Noone owns it so no one can pull the kind of
> shenanigans you now see on Twitter/Reddit.
too.
> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
> images.
MIME containers this is possible but may not be wanted in some groups.
Some software already seems to compose MIME multipart-alternative
structures with a HTML and plain text variant of the same contents.
UTF-8 and MIME won't go away any more.
But that proves, that news in general has not avoided to evolve.
\o/
--
Take Back Control! -- Mesh The Planet!
I do not play Nethack, I do play GNUS! o;-)
Solid facts do not need 1001 pictures.
Marco Moock
Aug 31, 2023, 3:08:29 AM8/31/23
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Am 30.08.2023 schrieb Retrograde <fun...@amongus.com>:
> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
I like it because it is not full of memes and other stuff.
> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
Marco Moock
Aug 31, 2023, 3:48:03 AM8/31/23
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Am 30.08.2023 schrieb Robert <mons...@spammedia.com>:
> "The USENET management committee has reconvened and there are green
> shoots of growth in the original, pre-World Wide Web social network.
Is there a statistic available?
> "The USENET management committee has reconvened and there are green
> shoots of growth in the original, pre-World Wide Web social network.
rdh
Aug 31, 2023, 10:38:37 AM8/31/23
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On 8/30/23 17:47, Retrograde wrote:
> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
The lack of moderation is probably more of a turnoff for younger folks.
> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
A lot of them just don't have a tolerance for spam.
--
~rdh
Marco Moock
Aug 31, 2023, 10:43:29 AM8/31/23
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opinions must not occur for some to feel comfortable.
rdh
Aug 31, 2023, 10:52:09 AM8/31/23
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That's a pretty bad take, my guy. Have you ever talked to a Gen Z
person? Most of them I've met are fine with free speech, they just want
people held accountable for hate speech.
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.
--
~rdh
person? Most of them I've met are fine with free speech, they just want
people held accountable for hate speech.
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.
--
~rdh
Marco Moock
Aug 31, 2023, 11:05:14 AM8/31/23
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Am 31.08.2023 schrieb rdh <r...@tilde.institute>:
> That's a pretty bad take, my guy. Have you ever talked to a Gen Z
> person?
I am 22 and I know people from school, work etc.
> person?
> Most of them I've met are fine with free speech, they just
> want people held accountable for hate speech.
advocating against immigration or social welfare is already hate speech
that must be forbidden.
> Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.
must be censored.
I like that this doesn't happen on Usenet.
The Real Bev
Aug 31, 2023, 12:35:43 PM8/31/23
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arguing with other posters about character flaws and incorrect 'facts'.
I hate seeing threads where that's obviously what happened and which are
the vast majority of the day's posts.
I'm tough. I check the groups I began subscribing to back in the 90s
every day, but it's really depressing. Many posters (some of whom I
have actually met in RL as a result of usenet) have migrated to Cursed
Facebook, but the change is distressing. Far fewer discussions, just
pronouncements; FB doesn't make discussion easy. My FB 'friends' are
mostly people I "knew" from usenet and their RL or net friends.
The kids don't know what they missed.
--
Cheers, Bev
A recent psychic fair was cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances.
The Real Bev
Aug 31, 2023, 12:43:04 PM8/31/23
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On 8/31/23 8:05 AM, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 31.08.2023 schrieb rdh <r...@tilde.institute>:
>
>> That's a pretty bad take, my guy. Have you ever talked to a Gen Z
>> person?
>
> I am 22 and I know people from school, work etc.
>
>> Most of them I've met are fine with free speech, they just
>> want people held accountable for hate speech.
>
> The term "hate speech" is an elastic word. Some people think that
> advocating against immigration or social welfare is already hate speech
> that must be forbidden.
+1 (Sorry, I can't help myself!)
> Am 31.08.2023 schrieb rdh <r...@tilde.institute>:
>
>> That's a pretty bad take, my guy. Have you ever talked to a Gen Z
>> person?
>
> I am 22 and I know people from school, work etc.
>
>> Most of them I've met are fine with free speech, they just
>> want people held accountable for hate speech.
>
> The term "hate speech" is an elastic word. Some people think that
> advocating against immigration or social welfare is already hate speech
> that must be forbidden.
>> Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.
>
> That is true, but some people think that opinions they cannot accept
> must be censored.
>
> I like that this doesn't happen on Usenet.
censorship as long as it makes everything 'nicer'.
It may be noted that I am in my third Nextdoor jail sentence. They're
even worse than Facebook, but since the local fishwraps (both analog and
digital) are worthless it's the only practical source of actual LOCAL
news available. What's scary is that those people are NOT kids.
Hell in a handbasket.
Marco Moock
Aug 31, 2023, 1:34:37 PM8/31/23
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Am 31.08.2023 um 09:35:39 Uhr schrieb The Real Bev:
> On 8/31/23 7:38 AM, rdh wrote:
> > On 8/30/23 17:47, Retrograde wrote:
> >> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
> >> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
> >
> > The lack of moderation is probably more of a turnoff for younger
> > folks. A lot of them just don't have a tolerance for spam.
>
> I rarely see spam;
There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently flooded with spam.
> On 8/31/23 7:38 AM, rdh wrote:
> > On 8/30/23 17:47, Retrograde wrote:
> >> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
> >> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
> >
> > The lack of moderation is probably more of a turnoff for younger
> > folks. A lot of them just don't have a tolerance for spam.
>
> I rarely see spam;
> the real problem is the people who seem to like
> arguing with other posters about character flaws and incorrect
> 'facts'. I hate seeing threads where that's obviously what happened
> and which are the vast majority of the day's posts.
but also on mailing list and forums.
> I'm tough. I check the groups I began subscribing to back in the 90s
> every day, but it's really depressing. Many posters (some of whom I
> have actually met in RL as a result of usenet) have migrated to
> Cursed Facebook, but the change is distressing. Far fewer
> discussions, just pronouncements; FB doesn't make discussion easy.
> My FB 'friends' are mostly people I "knew" from usenet and their RL
> or net friends.
contact me by email.
yeti
Aug 31, 2023, 1:37:51 PM8/31/23
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The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> writes:
> Many posters (some of whom I have actually met in RL as a result of
> usenet) have migrated to Cursed Facebook, but the change is
> distressing. Far fewer discussions, just pronouncements; FB doesn't
> make discussion easy.
Even in new-fedistan (Mastodon and neighbours) discussions are only
> Many posters (some of whom I have actually met in RL as a result of
> usenet) have migrated to Cursed Facebook, but the change is
> distressing. Far fewer discussions, just pronouncements; FB doesn't
> make discussion easy.
badly supported by its design.
Somewhen someone somwhere eplained that (today's) (a?)social networks
try to keep you busy reading more and more and more ... while
newsreaders try to help you to focus to what you want to read/follow
with the filtering/scoring/... features that evolved over the decades.
Unluckily I haven't bookmarked it... :-/
> The kids don't know what they missed.
--
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| having more than 1+1 distinct digits is far too woke. |
|+ #MABA + #makeAmericaBinaryAgain + #USA + #USoA + #woke + #MABA + #ma|
Retrograde
Aug 31, 2023, 2:08:07 PM8/31/23
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Loved that - so many bozos out there).
Dan Purgert
Aug 31, 2023, 2:09:57 PM8/31/23
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On 2023-08-31, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 31.08.2023 um 09:35:39 Uhr schrieb The Real Bev:
>
>> On 8/31/23 7:38 AM, rdh wrote:
>> > On 8/30/23 17:47, Retrograde wrote:
>> >> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
>> >> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
>> >
>> > The lack of moderation is probably more of a turnoff for younger
>> > folks. A lot of them just don't have a tolerance for spam.
>>
>> I rarely see spam;
>
> There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently flooded with spam.
If your client's killfiles work with regex ... "Message-ID: .*googlegroups.*$"
> Am 31.08.2023 um 09:35:39 Uhr schrieb The Real Bev:
>
>> On 8/31/23 7:38 AM, rdh wrote:
>> > On 8/30/23 17:47, Retrograde wrote:
>> >> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
>> >> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
>> >
>> > The lack of moderation is probably more of a turnoff for younger
>> > folks. A lot of them just don't have a tolerance for spam.
>>
>> I rarely see spam;
>
> There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently flooded with spam.
Yeah, it murders anything coming in from google groups, which you might
not want to do.
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Rich
Aug 31, 2023, 2:53:03 PM8/31/23
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Marco Moock <mo...@posteo.de> wrote:
> Am 31.08.2023 um 09:35:39 Uhr schrieb The Real Bev:
>
>> On 8/31/23 7:38 AM, rdh wrote:
>> > On 8/30/23 17:47, Retrograde wrote:
>> >> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
>> >> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
>> >
>> > The lack of moderation is probably more of a turnoff for younger
>> > folks. A lot of them just don't have a tolerance for spam.
>>
>> I rarely see spam;
>
> There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently flooded with spam.
Also sci.crypt -- flooded with hundreds of google groups sourced spams
> Am 31.08.2023 um 09:35:39 Uhr schrieb The Real Bev:
>
>> On 8/31/23 7:38 AM, rdh wrote:
>> > On 8/30/23 17:47, Retrograde wrote:
>> >> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
>> >> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
>> >
>> > The lack of moderation is probably more of a turnoff for younger
>> > folks. A lot of them just don't have a tolerance for spam.
>>
>> I rarely see spam;
>
> There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently flooded with spam.
daily.
Although a killfile rule that kills anything posted from google groups
does clean that mess up.
Anton Shepelev
Aug 31, 2023, 3:24:32 PM8/31/23
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Dan Purgert:
> If your client's killfiles work with regex ...
> "Message-ID: .*googlegroups.*$"
See also:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/filters_bg.html
I think I should prefer:
User-Agent: G2/.*$
--
() ascii ribbon campaign -- against html e-mail
/\ www.asciiribbon.org -- against proprietary attachments
> If your client's killfiles work with regex ...
> "Message-ID: .*googlegroups.*$"
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/filters_bg.html
I think I should prefer:
User-Agent: G2/.*$
--
() ascii ribbon campaign -- against html e-mail
/\ www.asciiribbon.org -- against proprietary attachments
Anton Shepelev
Aug 31, 2023, 3:26:57 PM8/31/23
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Marco Moock:
> There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently
> flooded with spam.
Yeah, sometimes I would log into Google, open a SPAM-ridden
newsgroup and report messages from vairous spammers via
their interface. Never seemed to help. Perhaps Google
encourage SPAM in Usenet in order to kill it?
> There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently
> flooded with spam.
newsgroup and report messages from vairous spammers via
their interface. Never seemed to help. Perhaps Google
encourage SPAM in Usenet in order to kill it?
Rich
Aug 31, 2023, 3:33:11 PM8/31/23
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Anton Shepelev <anto...@gmail.moc> wrote:
> Marco Moock:
>
>> There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently
>> flooded with spam.
>
> Yeah, sometimes I would log into Google, open a SPAM-ridden newsgroup
> and report messages from vairous spammers via their interface. Never
> seemed to help. Perhaps Google encourage SPAM in Usenet in order to
> kill it?
Google's "report spam" interface seems to go nowhere (other than hiding
> Marco Moock:
>
>> There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently
>> flooded with spam.
>
> Yeah, sometimes I would log into Google, open a SPAM-ridden newsgroup
> and report messages from vairous spammers via their interface. Never
> seemed to help. Perhaps Google encourage SPAM in Usenet in order to
> kill it?
the "last X" you so marked from your view in their web interface.
But it did not seem that they went to any team that did anything with
the reports to cut off the spammers using google's interface to inject
that spam.
Marco Moock
Aug 31, 2023, 3:39:32 PM8/31/23
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Am 31.08.2023 um 22:26:55 Uhr schrieb Anton Shepelev:
> Marco Moock:
>
> > There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently
> > flooded with spam.
>
> Yeah, sometimes I would log into Google, open a SPAM-ridden
> newsgroup and report messages from vairous spammers via
> their interface. Never seemed to help. Perhaps Google
> encourage SPAM in Usenet in order to kill it?
Google does give a fuck about abuse of their services at all.
> Marco Moock:
>
> > There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently
> > flooded with spam.
>
> Yeah, sometimes I would log into Google, open a SPAM-ridden
> newsgroup and report messages from vairous spammers via
> their interface. Never seemed to help. Perhaps Google
> encourage SPAM in Usenet in order to kill it?
They don't care about spam via Gmail too and don't care about abuse
mail, even if ISPs send them.
rdh
Aug 31, 2023, 3:43:12 PM8/31/23
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On 8/31/23 12:23, Retrograde wrote:
> Killfiles to the rescue! (Remember when Pan called them Bozofilters?
> Loved that - so many bozos out there).
Killfiles are amazing. I love blocking bad actors!
> Killfiles to the rescue! (Remember when Pan called them Bozofilters?
> Loved that - so many bozos out there).
--
~rdh
rdh
Aug 31, 2023, 3:53:40 PM8/31/23
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On 8/31/23 11:43, The Real Bev wrote:
> <snip>
There's a gulf of difference between censorship, and basic moderation to
keep the bots from spamming us with offers for pills or what-the-hell ever.
Killfiles/filters are great, but they only work after the fact.
BTW: If you want a space to get out your opinions, why not try handing
out fliers on a street corner? Nobody can censor you if you're
self-publishing.
--
~rdh
> <snip>
>
> Bravo, kid! I find it terrifying that so many people are just fine with
> censorship as long as it makes everything 'nicer'.
>
> It may be noted that I am in my third Nextdoor jail sentence. They're
> even worse than Facebook, but since the local fishwraps (both analog and
> digital) are worthless it's the only practical source of actual LOCAL
> news available. What's scary is that those people are NOT kids.
>
> Hell in a handbasket.
>
I feel like you guys aren't engaging in good-faith conversation here.
> Bravo, kid! I find it terrifying that so many people are just fine with
> censorship as long as it makes everything 'nicer'.
>
> It may be noted that I am in my third Nextdoor jail sentence. They're
> even worse than Facebook, but since the local fishwraps (both analog and
> digital) are worthless it's the only practical source of actual LOCAL
> news available. What's scary is that those people are NOT kids.
>
> Hell in a handbasket.
>
There's a gulf of difference between censorship, and basic moderation to
keep the bots from spamming us with offers for pills or what-the-hell ever.
Killfiles/filters are great, but they only work after the fact.
BTW: If you want a space to get out your opinions, why not try handing
out fliers on a street corner? Nobody can censor you if you're
self-publishing.
--
~rdh
Dan Purgert
Aug 31, 2023, 4:44:51 PM8/31/23
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On 2023-08-31, Anton Shepelev wrote:
> Dan Purgert:
>
>> If your client's killfiles work with regex ...
>> "Message-ID: .*googlegroups.*$"
>
> See also:
>
> http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/filters_bg.html
>
> I think I should prefer:
>
> User-Agent: G2/.*$
Same thing ultimately :)
> Dan Purgert:
>
>> If your client's killfiles work with regex ...
>> "Message-ID: .*googlegroups.*$"
>
> See also:
>
> http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/filters_bg.html
>
> I think I should prefer:
>
> User-Agent: G2/.*$
Sn!pe
Aug 31, 2023, 5:07:57 PM8/31/23
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rdh <r...@tilde.institute> wrote:
> BTW: If you want a space to get out your opinions, why not try handing
> out fliers on a street corner? Nobody can censor you if you're
> self-publishing.
Troll.
> BTW: If you want a space to get out your opinions, why not try handing
> out fliers on a street corner? Nobody can censor you if you're
> self-publishing.
Sn!pe
Aug 31, 2023, 5:23:03 PM8/31/23
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advertising on it. It has always this way ever since they set up their
ersatz "Google Groups" and made a gateway into real Usenet.
Great damage was done done to Usenet resources when Google borged
DejaNews and ruined that very valuable, 99% complete, and easily
searched Usenet archive.
In my view there is not now and never has been much of value contributed
to Usenet by Google.
The Real Bev
Aug 31, 2023, 6:30:43 PM8/31/23
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On 8/31/23 10:34 AM, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 31.08.2023 um 09:35:39 Uhr schrieb The Real Bev:
>
>> On 8/31/23 7:38 AM, rdh wrote:
>> > On 8/30/23 17:47, Retrograde wrote:
>> >> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
>> >> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
>> >
>> > The lack of moderation is probably more of a turnoff for younger
>> > folks. A lot of them just don't have a tolerance for spam.
>>
>> I rarely see spam;
>
> There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently flooded with spam.
The Android group hosts some Android vs iPhone arguments that go on
> Am 31.08.2023 um 09:35:39 Uhr schrieb The Real Bev:
>
>> On 8/31/23 7:38 AM, rdh wrote:
>> > On 8/30/23 17:47, Retrograde wrote:
>> >> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
>> >> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
>> >
>> > The lack of moderation is probably more of a turnoff for younger
>> > folks. A lot of them just don't have a tolerance for spam.
>>
>> I rarely see spam;
>
> There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently flooded with spam.
forever. One group has somebody pushing discount meds and somebody else
offers 'solution manuals'. I haven't seen any "For a good time, call
Sandy..." things, but I get those in email -- fortunately google can
filter most of those out without my help.
>> the real problem is the people who seem to like
>> arguing with other posters about character flaws and incorrect
>> 'facts'. I hate seeing threads where that's obviously what happened
>> and which are the vast majority of the day's posts.
>
> I cannot agree at least for the technical discussion groups in Usenet,
> but also on mailing list and forums.
just don't know when to quit. I know of one wrangle that has been going
on (sporadically now, only a few hardy participants) since 1999,
actually involving a court appearance and a gag order -- which was
disobeyed..
>> I'm tough. I check the groups I began subscribing to back in the 90s
>> every day, but it's really depressing. Many posters (some of whom I
>> have actually met in RL as a result of usenet) have migrated to
>> Cursed Facebook, but the change is distressing. Far fewer
>> discussions, just pronouncements; FB doesn't make discussion easy.
>> My FB 'friends' are mostly people I "knew" from usenet and their RL
>> or net friends.
>
> I don't have FB, I have canceled my WhatApp account, people have to
> contact me by email.
turning up is a good thing. Facebook, if you limit what you see to the
posts of friends and friends-of-friends, screens those out. The price
we pay, and sometimes it's goo high. I miss the people who have dropped
out, but email is frequently inappropriate for net-relationships. Like
work friends... You DO still have those, right? People with whom you
share your innermost secrets but whom you never see or talk to again
after one of you changes jobs.
--
Cheers, Bev
"Let them eat shit."
-- Marcel Antoinette, Marie's little-known brother
The Real Bev
Aug 31, 2023, 6:44:17 PM8/31/23
to
automatically, and I haven't thought about it since the mozilla dumped
them.
alt.comp.software.firefox and ...thunderbird are alive, but don't seem
to have been hit badly.
The Real Bev
Aug 31, 2023, 6:48:09 PM8/31/23
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On 8/31/23 12:33 PM, Rich wrote:
> Anton Shepelev <anto...@gmail.moc> wrote:
>> Marco Moock:
>>
>>> There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently
>>> flooded with spam.
>>
>> Yeah, sometimes I would log into Google, open a SPAM-ridden newsgroup
>> and report messages from vairous spammers via their interface. Never
>> seemed to help. Perhaps Google encourage SPAM in Usenet in order to
>> kill it?
>
> Google's "report spam" interface seems to go nowhere (other than hiding
> the "last X" you so marked from your view in their web interface.
So far it's worked pretty well. What you DON'T want to do is "...and
> Anton Shepelev <anto...@gmail.moc> wrote:
>> Marco Moock:
>>
>>> There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently
>>> flooded with spam.
>>
>> Yeah, sometimes I would log into Google, open a SPAM-ridden newsgroup
>> and report messages from vairous spammers via their interface. Never
>> seemed to help. Perhaps Google encourage SPAM in Usenet in order to
>> kill it?
>
> Google's "report spam" interface seems to go nowhere (other than hiding
> the "last X" you so marked from your view in their web interface.
unsubscribe" because you'll be flooded with acknowledgments :-(
> But it did not seem that they went to any team that did anything with
> the reports to cut off the spammers using google's interface to inject
> that spam.
Apparently some people LIKE to get it :-( Probably the same lonely
people who hold up lines at the supermarket chatting with the helpless
checkers.
The Real Bev
Aug 31, 2023, 6:49:27 PM8/31/23
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--
Cheers, Bev
"If God had wanted us to use the metric system,
Jesus would have had 10 apostles."
- Jesse Helms
The Real Bev
Aug 31, 2023, 6:53:28 PM8/31/23
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On 8/31/23 2:23 PM, Sn!pe wrote:
> IMO Google's real motive is to kill Usenet because they can't monetise
> advertising on it. It has always this way ever since they set up their
> ersatz "Google Groups" and made a gateway into real Usenet.
>
> Great damage was done done to Usenet resources when Google borged
> DejaNews and ruined that very valuable, 99% complete, and easily
> searched Usenet archive.
I really had hope when google took it over that it would eventually be
> IMO Google's real motive is to kill Usenet because they can't monetise
> advertising on it. It has always this way ever since they set up their
> ersatz "Google Groups" and made a gateway into real Usenet.
>
> Great damage was done done to Usenet resources when Google borged
> DejaNews and ruined that very valuable, 99% complete, and easily
> searched Usenet archive.
searchable back to Day 1. Big disappointment. I finally found my first
post in 1994, but it wasn't easy and I'm not sure I could do it again.
> In my view there is not now and never has been much of value contributed
> to Usenet by Google.
Sn!pe
Aug 31, 2023, 7:31:22 PM8/31/23
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The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
my debut posts were utterly, toe-curlingly, naïve and embarrassing.
[red face, foot shuffle]
[...]
> > Great damage was done done to Usenet resources when Google borged
> > DejaNews and ruined that very valuable, 99% complete, and easily
> > searched Usenet archive.
>
> I really had hope when google took it over that it would eventually be
> searchable back to Day 1. Big disappointment. I finally found my first
> post in 1994, but it wasn't easy and I'm not sure I could do it again.
Yes, exactly the same for me. Actually, I'm quite glad about that;
> > DejaNews and ruined that very valuable, 99% complete, and easily
> > searched Usenet archive.
>
> I really had hope when google took it over that it would eventually be
> searchable back to Day 1. Big disappointment. I finally found my first
> post in 1994, but it wasn't easy and I'm not sure I could do it again.
my debut posts were utterly, toe-curlingly, naïve and embarrassing.
[red face, foot shuffle]
The Real Bev
Aug 31, 2023, 7:45:17 PM8/31/23
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On 8/31/23 4:31 PM, Sn!pe wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>> > Great damage was done done to Usenet resources when Google borged
>> > DejaNews and ruined that very valuable, 99% complete, and easily
>> > searched Usenet archive.
>>
>> I really had hope when google took it over that it would eventually be
>> searchable back to Day 1. Big disappointment. I finally found my first
>> post in 1994, but it wasn't easy and I'm not sure I could do it again.
>
> Yes, exactly the same for me. Actually, I'm quite glad about that;
> my debut posts were utterly, toe-curlingly, naïve and embarrassing.
> [red face, foot shuffle]
Probably not!
> The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>> > Great damage was done done to Usenet resources when Google borged
>> > DejaNews and ruined that very valuable, 99% complete, and easily
>> > searched Usenet archive.
>>
>> I really had hope when google took it over that it would eventually be
>> searchable back to Day 1. Big disappointment. I finally found my first
>> post in 1994, but it wasn't easy and I'm not sure I could do it again.
>
> Yes, exactly the same for me. Actually, I'm quite glad about that;
> my debut posts were utterly, toe-curlingly, naïve and embarrassing.
> [red face, foot shuffle]
Sometimes I find one of my old posts and wish I were still that clever
and funny :-(
John McCue
Aug 31, 2023, 8:04:20 PM8/31/23
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rdh <r...@tilde.institute> wrote:
> On 8/30/23 17:47, Retrograde wrote:
>> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
>> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
>
> The lack of moderation is probably more of a turnoff for younger folks.
> A lot of them just don't have a tolerance for spam.
Most spam, I say 99%, comes from gmail.com, you can kill all
> On 8/30/23 17:47, Retrograde wrote:
>> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
>> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
>
> The lack of moderation is probably more of a turnoff for younger folks.
> A lot of them just don't have a tolerance for spam.
posts from *.gmail.com and most spam will be gone.
I am starting to think of doing that, but there are a small
percentages of post that were informative. So for now, I
just kill emails I see had sent the spam.
Sn!pe
Aug 31, 2023, 8:24:29 PM8/31/23
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on "User-Agent: G2/1.0" and whitelist the worthwhile posters.
You might miss some the first time they post but, if they are
interesting enough, somebody else will respond to them and
you can pick them up from there for your whitelist.
John McCue
Aug 31, 2023, 8:25:58 PM8/31/23
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John McCue <jmc...@fuzzball.jmcunx.com> wrote:
<snip>
better method of filtering Google Groups by using one of
these:
Message-ID: .*googlegroups.*$
User-Agent: G2/.*$
Thanks and off to edit my killfile :)
<snip>
>
> I am starting to think of doing that, but there are a small
> percentages of post that were informative. So for now, I
> just kill emails I see had sent the spam.
Replying to myself, Dan Purgert and Anton Shepelev had a
> I am starting to think of doing that, but there are a small
> percentages of post that were informative. So for now, I
> just kill emails I see had sent the spam.
better method of filtering Google Groups by using one of
these:
Message-ID: .*googlegroups.*$
User-Agent: G2/.*$
Thanks and off to edit my killfile :)
John McCue
Aug 31, 2023, 8:59:08 PM8/31/23
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> When spam originating on Google gets too annoying, I killfile
> on "User-Agent: G2/1.0" and whitelist the worthwhile posters.
> You might miss some the first time they post but, if they are
> interesting enough, somebody else will respond to them and
> you can pick them up from there for your whitelist.
Thanks, I must have been responding when you were posting :)
> on "User-Agent: G2/1.0" and whitelist the worthwhile posters.
> You might miss some the first time they post but, if they are
> interesting enough, somebody else will respond to them and
> you can pick them up from there for your whitelist.
candycane
Aug 31, 2023, 11:15:16 PM8/31/23
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Re> I ran one for a while. Slightly hairy/slightly above my level of
Re> expertise, but I enjoyed it. Usenet rules. Noone owns it so no one
Re> can pull the kind of shenanigans you now see on Twitter/Reddit.
Yeah, its the USER's network. Super cool design.
Re> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
Re> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
Technically, I think Mastadon is also a decentralized network. Not quite as
retro feeling tho :(
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Re> expertise, but I enjoyed it. Usenet rules. Noone owns it so no one
Re> can pull the kind of shenanigans you now see on Twitter/Reddit.
Yeah, its the USER's network. Super cool design.
Re> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
Re> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
Technically, I think Mastadon is also a decentralized network. Not quite as
retro feeling tho :(
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Marco Moock
Sep 1, 2023, 2:39:30 AM9/1/23
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Am 31.08.2023 schrieb rdh <r...@tilde.institute>:
> BTW: If you want a space to get out your opinions, why not try
> handing out fliers on a street corner? Nobody can censor you if
> you're self-publishing.
Because political forums and newsgroups exist and are the right place
> BTW: If you want a space to get out your opinions, why not try
> handing out fliers on a street corner? Nobody can censor you if
> you're self-publishing.
to discuss these topics.
Marco Moock
Sep 1, 2023, 2:41:58 AM9/1/23
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Am 31.08.2023 schrieb The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com>:
> alt.comp.software.firefox and ...thunderbird are alive, but don't
> seem to have been hit badly.
They don't exist on Google groups because Google doesn't care about
> alt.comp.software.firefox and ...thunderbird are alive, but don't
> seem to have been hit badly.
control messages anymore. Either Google can't administer it anymore or
doesn't want.
The positive side:
No spammer can use it for these groups. :-)
Marco Moock
Sep 1, 2023, 2:43:45 AM9/1/23
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Am 31.08.2023 schrieb snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe):
> Marco Moock <mo...@posteo.de> wrote:
>
> > Am 31.08.2023 um 22:26:55 Uhr schrieb Anton Shepelev:
> >
> > > Marco Moock:
> > >
> > > > There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently
> > > > flooded with spam.
> > >
> > > Yeah, sometimes I would log into Google, open a SPAM-ridden
> > > newsgroup and report messages from vairous spammers via
> > > their interface. Never seemed to help. Perhaps Google
> > > encourage SPAM in Usenet in order to kill it?
> > >
> >
> > Google does give a fuck about abuse of their services at all.
> > They don't care about spam via Gmail too and don't care
> > about abuse mail, even if ISPs send them.
> >
>
> IMO Google's real motive is to kill Usenet because they can't monetise
> advertising on it.
They could place ads inside of Google groups, like they do for their
> Marco Moock <mo...@posteo.de> wrote:
>
> > Am 31.08.2023 um 22:26:55 Uhr schrieb Anton Shepelev:
> >
> > > Marco Moock:
> > >
> > > > There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently
> > > > flooded with spam.
> > >
> > > Yeah, sometimes I would log into Google, open a SPAM-ridden
> > > newsgroup and report messages from vairous spammers via
> > > their interface. Never seemed to help. Perhaps Google
> > > encourage SPAM in Usenet in order to kill it?
> > >
> >
> > Google does give a fuck about abuse of their services at all.
> > They don't care about spam via Gmail too and don't care
> > about abuse mail, even if ISPs send them.
> >
>
> IMO Google's real motive is to kill Usenet because they can't monetise
> advertising on it.
search engine, YouTube, etc..
> In my view there is not now and never has been much of value
> contributed to Usenet by Google.
is spam or troll/bullshit.
Sn!pe
Sep 1, 2023, 7:25:39 AM9/1/23
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Marco Moock <mo...@posteo.de> wrote:
> Am 31.08.2023 schrieb snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe):
>
> > Marco Moock <mo...@posteo.de> wrote:
> >
> > > Am 31.08.2023 um 22:26:55 Uhr schrieb Anton Shepelev:
> > >
> > > > Marco Moock:
> > > >
> > > > > There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently
> > > > > flooded with spam.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, sometimes I would log into Google, open a SPAM-ridden
> > > > newsgroup and report messages from vairous spammers via
> > > > their interface. Never seemed to help. Perhaps Google
> > > > encourage SPAM in Usenet in order to kill it?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Google does give a fuck about abuse of their services at all.
> > > They don't care about spam via Gmail too and don't care
> > > about abuse mail, even if ISPs send them.
> > >
> >
> > IMO Google's real motive is to kill Usenet because they can't monetise
> > advertising on it.
> >
>
> They could place ads inside of Google groups, like they do for their
> search engine, YouTube, etc..
>
Google Groups are not Usenet, even though they may have the same
> Am 31.08.2023 schrieb snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe):
>
> > Marco Moock <mo...@posteo.de> wrote:
> >
> > > Am 31.08.2023 um 22:26:55 Uhr schrieb Anton Shepelev:
> > >
> > > > Marco Moock:
> > > >
> > > > > There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently
> > > > > flooded with spam.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, sometimes I would log into Google, open a SPAM-ridden
> > > > newsgroup and report messages from vairous spammers via
> > > > their interface. Never seemed to help. Perhaps Google
> > > > encourage SPAM in Usenet in order to kill it?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Google does give a fuck about abuse of their services at all.
> > > They don't care about spam via Gmail too and don't care
> > > about abuse mail, even if ISPs send them.
> > >
> >
> > IMO Google's real motive is to kill Usenet because they can't monetise
> > advertising on it.
> >
>
> They could place ads inside of Google groups, like they do for their
> search engine, YouTube, etc..
>
(purloined) names and be gatewayed to and from real Usenet. Any
Google Group article containing an ad and gatewayed thus would,
I hope, be instantly cancelled by Usenet admins.
>
> > In my view there is not now and never has been much of value
> > contributed to Usenet by Google.
>
> I can agree. There are people who use it for legitimate posts, but 90%
> is spam or troll/bullshit.
Dan Purgert
Sep 1, 2023, 7:29:43 AM9/1/23
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On 2023-08-31, Sn!pe wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>> > Great damage was done done to Usenet resources when Google borged
>> > DejaNews and ruined that very valuable, 99% complete, and easily
>> > searched Usenet archive.
>>
>> I really had hope when google took it over that it would eventually be
>> searchable back to Day 1. Big disappointment. I finally found my first
>> post in 1994, but it wasn't easy and I'm not sure I could do it again.
>
> Yes, exactly the same for me. Actually, I'm quite glad about that;
> my debut posts were utterly, toe-curlingly, naïve and embarrassing.
And your current posts aren't? ;)
> The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>> > Great damage was done done to Usenet resources when Google borged
>> > DejaNews and ruined that very valuable, 99% complete, and easily
>> > searched Usenet archive.
>>
>> I really had hope when google took it over that it would eventually be
>> searchable back to Day 1. Big disappointment. I finally found my first
>> post in 1994, but it wasn't easy and I'm not sure I could do it again.
>
> Yes, exactly the same for me. Actually, I'm quite glad about that;
> my debut posts were utterly, toe-curlingly, naïve and embarrassing.
Dan Purgert
Sep 1, 2023, 7:33:30 AM9/1/23
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On 2023-09-01, John McCue wrote:
> rdh <r...@tilde.institute> wrote:
>> On 8/30/23 17:47, Retrograde wrote:
>>> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
>>> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
>>
>> The lack of moderation is probably more of a turnoff for younger folks.
>> A lot of them just don't have a tolerance for spam.
>
> Most spam, I say 99%, comes from gmail.com, you can kill all
> posts from *.gmail.com and most spam will be gone.
There are a few people who have gmail addresses who aren't spammers (but
> rdh <r...@tilde.institute> wrote:
>> On 8/30/23 17:47, Retrograde wrote:
>>> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
>>> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
>>
>> The lack of moderation is probably more of a turnoff for younger folks.
>> A lot of them just don't have a tolerance for spam.
>
> Most spam, I say 99%, comes from gmail.com, you can kill all
> posts from *.gmail.com and most spam will be gone.
they're caught in my -100 dragnet for "google is untrustworthy" first).
*so far* they haven't posted from googlegroups, so ...
Marco Moock
Sep 1, 2023, 7:40:51 AM9/1/23
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Am 01.09.2023 schrieb snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe):
> Google Groups are not Usenet, even though they may have the same
> (purloined) names and be gatewayed to and from real Usenet. Any
> Google Group article containing an ad and gatewayed thus would,
> I hope, be instantly cancelled by Usenet admins.
Google could place ad banners between the articles on the webpage only,
> Google Groups are not Usenet, even though they may have the same
> (purloined) names and be gatewayed to and from real Usenet. Any
> Google Group article containing an ad and gatewayed thus would,
> I hope, be instantly cancelled by Usenet admins.
not inside the articles that are being posted.
Narkive.com does the same.
Sn!pe
Sep 1, 2023, 8:32:59 AM9/1/23
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Dan Purgert <d...@djph.net> wrote:
> On 2023-08-31, Sn!pe wrote:
> > The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > [...]
> >> > Great damage was done done to Usenet resources when Google borged
> >> > DejaNews and ruined that very valuable, 99% complete, and easily
> >> > searched Usenet archive.
> >>
> >> I really had hope when google took it over that it would eventually be
> >> searchable back to Day 1. Big disappointment. I finally found my first
> >> post in 1994, but it wasn't easy and I'm not sure I could do it again.
> >
> > Yes, exactly the same for me. Actually, I'm quite glad about that;
> > my debut posts were utterly, toe-curlingly, naïve and embarrassing.
>
> And your current posts aren't? ;)
Hah ! ≈:o)
> On 2023-08-31, Sn!pe wrote:
> > The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > [...]
> >> > Great damage was done done to Usenet resources when Google borged
> >> > DejaNews and ruined that very valuable, 99% complete, and easily
> >> > searched Usenet archive.
> >>
> >> I really had hope when google took it over that it would eventually be
> >> searchable back to Day 1. Big disappointment. I finally found my first
> >> post in 1994, but it wasn't easy and I'm not sure I could do it again.
> >
> > Yes, exactly the same for me. Actually, I'm quite glad about that;
> > my debut posts were utterly, toe-curlingly, naïve and embarrassing.
>
> And your current posts aren't? ;)
Sn!pe
Sep 1, 2023, 8:40:00 AM9/1/23
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some aspect of the webpage work. Besides, I definitely don't read
Usenet on Google!
Marco Moock
Sep 1, 2023, 8:46:07 AM9/1/23
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Am 01.09.2023 schrieb snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe):
> I wouldn't know; I don't see ads on the web unless I must to make
> some aspect of the webpage work. Besides, I definitely don't read
> Usenet on Google!
Many people don't have ad blockers, especially on mobile devices.
> I wouldn't know; I don't see ads on the web unless I must to make
> some aspect of the webpage work. Besides, I definitely don't read
> Usenet on Google!
They will see the ads on narkive.com.
They aren't that annoying, there are much more annoying ads on some
websites.
Spiros Bousbouras
Sep 1, 2023, 8:47:19 AM9/1/23
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On Fri, 1 Sep 2023 08:43:43 +0200
Marco Moock <mo...@posteo.de> wrote:
Capital on comp.lang.scheme .On one side of the screen there was the group
content and on the other the ads. They were non intrusive , reasonably
relevant (Jane Street Capital weren't looking for Scheme programmers but they
use OCaml so they were trying to get the attention of people interested in
functional programming) and kind of interesting like the example I gave. I
have no idea why Google stopped that. Since they already had the code to place
the ads , why stop using it even if they weren't getting many hits ?
> > In my view there is not now and never has been much of value
> > contributed to Usenet by Google.
I don't know how much counts as "much" but I learned of usenet through
googlegroups and for the first few years I was reading and posting through
googlegroups. Even now , for reading a very old thread , googlegroups works
well enough even with a text based browser. I've seen many valuable posters
post through googlegroups. Example
From: Thomas Dickey <dic...@his.com>
Newsgroups: comp.terminals
Subject: Re: ncurses on gnome-terminal
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:18:50 -0700 (PDT)
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 19
Message-ID: <2b50bc12-ce7d-499a...@p28g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>
Many at present on comp.lang.fortran .On the other hand I've had a look at
sci.crypt since it was mentioned and that's unreadable without a googlegroups
filter.
> I can agree. There are people who use it for legitimate posts, but 90%
> is spam or troll/bullshit.
--
vlaho.ninja/prog
Marco Moock <mo...@posteo.de> wrote:
> Am 31.08.2023 schrieb snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe):
> > IMO Google's real motive is to kill Usenet because they can't monetise
> > advertising on it.
>
> They could place ads inside of Google groups, like they do for their
> search engine, YouTube, etc..
They used to do that years ago. In fact I remember ads for Jane Street
> > IMO Google's real motive is to kill Usenet because they can't monetise
> > advertising on it.
>
> They could place ads inside of Google groups, like they do for their
> search engine, YouTube, etc..
Capital on comp.lang.scheme .On one side of the screen there was the group
content and on the other the ads. They were non intrusive , reasonably
relevant (Jane Street Capital weren't looking for Scheme programmers but they
use OCaml so they were trying to get the attention of people interested in
functional programming) and kind of interesting like the example I gave. I
have no idea why Google stopped that. Since they already had the code to place
the ads , why stop using it even if they weren't getting many hits ?
> > In my view there is not now and never has been much of value
> > contributed to Usenet by Google.
googlegroups and for the first few years I was reading and posting through
googlegroups. Even now , for reading a very old thread , googlegroups works
well enough even with a text based browser. I've seen many valuable posters
post through googlegroups. Example
From: Thomas Dickey <dic...@his.com>
Newsgroups: comp.terminals
Subject: Re: ncurses on gnome-terminal
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:18:50 -0700 (PDT)
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 19
Message-ID: <2b50bc12-ce7d-499a...@p28g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>
Many at present on comp.lang.fortran .On the other hand I've had a look at
sci.crypt since it was mentioned and that's unreadable without a googlegroups
filter.
> I can agree. There are people who use it for legitimate posts, but 90%
> is spam or troll/bullshit.
vlaho.ninja/prog
Spiros Bousbouras
Sep 1, 2023, 9:11:11 AM9/1/23
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 22:07:55 +0100
snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
> rdh <r...@tilde.institute> wrote:
>
> > BTW: If you want a space to get out your opinions, why not try handing
> > out fliers on a street corner? Nobody can censor you if you're
> > self-publishing.
>
> Troll.
Yes , this has been my assessment too after I read
snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
> rdh <r...@tilde.institute> wrote:
>
> > BTW: If you want a space to get out your opinions, why not try handing
> > out fliers on a street corner? Nobody can censor you if you're
> > self-publishing.
>
> Troll.
<rO1IM.556679$qnnb....@fx11.iad> and some of the subsequent posts
including the one you are quoting.
Sn!pe
Sep 1, 2023, 9:17:14 AM9/1/23
to
all browsers on both desktop and handheld machines. Also, Safari
(Apple's browser app) has good built-in blocking protection; I run
no other blocking extensions here.
Sn!pe
Sep 1, 2023, 9:20:32 AM9/1/23
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> >
> > I can agree. There are people who use it for legitimate posts, but 90%
> > is spam or troll/bullshit.
--
Spiros Bousbouras
Sep 1, 2023, 12:34:11 PM9/1/23
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Spiros Bousbouras <spi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've seen many valuable posters
> post through googlegroups. Example
Another one :
> I've seen many valuable posters
> post through googlegroups. Example
From: geo <gmars...@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: sci.math,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.fortran
Subject: 64-bit KISS RNGs
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:30:48 -0800 (PST)
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 196
Message-ID: <d0d9069e-cfff-4520...@j8g2000yql.googlegroups.com>
or http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=140887926500 .
.That's George Marsaglia i.e. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Marsaglia .I have
used the PRNG described in that post several times in my own code.
> From: Thomas Dickey <dic...@his.com>
> Newsgroups: comp.terminals
> Subject: Re: ncurses on gnome-terminal
> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:18:50 -0700 (PDT)
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Lines: 19
> Message-ID: <2b50bc12-ce7d-499a...@p28g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>
>
> Many at present on comp.lang.fortran .
default and have a whitelist , seems the best approach. One hopes that a
valuable post which came through googlegroups will generate at least one
reply not posted through googlegroups so one will get to see that and
follow the references. But it's not guaranteed and it is possible that
one will have the replier in their killfile on other grounds.
By the way , comp.lang.forth also has several genuine posters post through
googlegroups.
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There are so many people coming out that they're not even gay , they're
trendsexual.
John Waters
Anton Shepelev
Sep 2, 2023, 6:42:29 AM9/2/23
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Spiros Bousbouras:
> I've seen many valuable posters post through googlegroups.
Yes. That is why I don't killfile GG myself. A more
selective filter seems to be needed.
My major problem with great GG posters is that they are
nearly impervious to arguments and exhortations to ditch GG
and start using a proper newsreader. I never understood
their mindset, considering how intelligent they are. Must
have to do with individualism: GG is works for /me/, and I
don't care about its impact on Usenet in general.
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> I've seen many valuable posters post through googlegroups.
selective filter seems to be needed.
My major problem with great GG posters is that they are
nearly impervious to arguments and exhortations to ditch GG
and start using a proper newsreader. I never understood
their mindset, considering how intelligent they are. Must
have to do with individualism: GG is works for /me/, and I
don't care about its impact on Usenet in general.
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Anton Shepelev
Sep 2, 2023, 6:46:13 AM9/2/23
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I wrote to Spiros Bousbouras:
> > I've seen many valuable posters post through
> > googlegroups.
>
> Yes. That is why I don't killfile GG myself. A more
> selective filter seems to be needed.
An afterthought came on the tail of the departing post. One
possible approach is to indicate in your sig. that you are
filtering GG and ask geniuine people to e-mail your for
white-listing.
> > I've seen many valuable posters post through
> > googlegroups.
>
> Yes. That is why I don't killfile GG myself. A more
> selective filter seems to be needed.
possible approach is to indicate in your sig. that you are
filtering GG and ask geniuine people to e-mail your for
white-listing.
Retrograde
Sep 2, 2023, 9:58:52 AM9/2/23
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everyone's new silver mine is mining huge bodies of text for source
material with which to train an AI. That's why I liberally sprinkle my
motherfucking posts with profanity. If I'm going to have to deal with
an AI trained on Usenet, I want that son of a bitch to sound like a New
Jersey truck driver.
Javier
Sep 2, 2023, 11:08:03 AM9/2/23
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Spiros Bousbouras <spi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> By the way , comp.lang.forth also has several genuine posters post through
> googlegroups.
For Unix/Linux stuff you can safely ignore GG posters as it will be
> By the way , comp.lang.forth also has several genuine posters post through
> googlegroups.
99% spam, with a few cases of low quality questions, i.e. in the
hierachies comp.unix.*, comp.os.linux.*, and alt.os.linux.*
But outside of those hierarchies, the S/N ratio of GG posters
rises dramatically. The most amazing case is comp.os.cpm, where
80% of the meaningful content comes from GG posters.
Sn!pe
Sep 2, 2023, 1:27:06 PM9/2/23
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well as afflicted with Tourette's syndrome.
Spiros Bousbouras
Sep 3, 2023, 8:19:41 AM9/3/23
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On Sat, 2 Sep 2023 13:42:27 +0300
Anton Shepelev <anto...@gmail.moc> wrote:
> Spiros Bousbouras:
>
> > I've seen many valuable posters post through googlegroups.
>
> Yes. That is why I don't killfile GG myself. A more
> selective filter seems to be needed.
>
> My major problem with great GG posters is that they are
> nearly impervious to arguments and exhortations to ditch GG
> and start using a proper newsreader. I never understood
> their mindset, considering how intelligent they are. Must
> have to do with individualism: GG is works for /me/, and I
> don't care about its impact on Usenet in general.
Even if they abandoned googlegroups , there would still be the
Anton Shepelev <anto...@gmail.moc> wrote:
> Spiros Bousbouras:
>
> > I've seen many valuable posters post through googlegroups.
>
> Yes. That is why I don't killfile GG myself. A more
> selective filter seems to be needed.
>
> My major problem with great GG posters is that they are
> nearly impervious to arguments and exhortations to ditch GG
> and start using a proper newsreader. I never understood
> their mindset, considering how intelligent they are. Must
> have to do with individualism: GG is works for /me/, and I
> don't care about its impact on Usenet in general.
spam problem. You might say that if all the genuine posters
stopped using googlegroups then it would be trivial to filter
googlegroups completely but the thing is that one would still
want to see genuine posts by new people and such may still
come from googlegroups.
Spiros Bousbouras
Sep 3, 2023, 8:29:41 AM9/3/23
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to have used a newsreader. So why did these people stop using one ? I can
think of various possibilities.
1. Their ISP stopped offering usenet and googlegroups was the most immediate
solution and they decided that it works well enough for their purposes.
2. They changed operating systems and couldn't be bothered to install a
newsreader to the new operating system. (How hard is it to install a
newsreader on Windows ?)
3. Their newsreader of choice stopped being maintained and couldn't be
bothered to find a new one.
--
If GML was an infant, SGML is the bright youngster far exceeds
expectations and made its parents too proud, but XML is the
drug-addicted gang member who had committed his first murder
before he had sex, which was rape.
Erik Naggum
Rich
Sep 3, 2023, 2:08:19 PM9/3/23
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Spiros Bousbouras <spi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Sep 2023 15:07:58 +0000
> Javier <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Spiros Bousbouras <spi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > By the way, comp.lang.forth also has several genuine posters post
> On Sat, 02 Sep 2023 15:07:58 +0000
> Javier <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Spiros Bousbouras <spi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > through googlegroups.
>>
>> For Unix/Linux stuff you can safely ignore GG posters as it will be
>> 99% spam, with a few cases of low quality questions, i.e. in the
>> hierachies comp.unix.*, comp.os.linux.*, and alt.os.linux.*
>>
>> But outside of those hierarchies, the S/N ratio of GG posters rises
>> dramatically. The most amazing case is comp.os.cpm, where 80% of
>> the meaningful content comes from GG posters.
>
> That is striking. Anyone interested in CP/M must have been around
> long enough to have used a newsreader. So why did these people stop
> using one ? I can think of various possibilities.
>
> 1. Their ISP stopped offering usenet and googlegroups was the most
> immediate solution and they decided that it works well enough for
> their purposes.
This is, in my opinion, the most likely reason. Few (if any) ISP's
>>
>> For Unix/Linux stuff you can safely ignore GG posters as it will be
>> 99% spam, with a few cases of low quality questions, i.e. in the
>> hierachies comp.unix.*, comp.os.linux.*, and alt.os.linux.*
>>
>> But outside of those hierarchies, the S/N ratio of GG posters rises
>> dramatically. The most amazing case is comp.os.cpm, where 80% of
>> the meaningful content comes from GG posters.
>
> That is striking. Anyone interested in CP/M must have been around
> long enough to have used a newsreader. So why did these people stop
> using one ? I can think of various possibilities.
>
> 1. Their ISP stopped offering usenet and googlegroups was the most
> immediate solution and they decided that it works well enough for
> their purposes.
today offer Usenet news as a service (even in 'text only' form such as
what EternalSeptember offers).
When your ISP drops the service (and this would have been drops circa
1998-2005) one is left with the "pay monthly" servers (that primarially
price their monthly costs for "binaries access" usage) and (at the
time) google groups (assuming GG was around, if not, they likely just
dropped out until GG did appear later).
Rich
Sep 3, 2023, 2:13:37 PM9/3/23
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for themselves (rather than having their "nanny" decide for them)
whether the spam noise from GG is of sufficient size compared to the
signal that it is more worthwhile to simply assume a GG post is spam,
and correct later with whitelists when those few actual posters appear.
For sci.crypt, there are often 150-250 new posts across a few hours
timeframe, every single one a GG spammer hawking (usually) crypto coin
recovery services. Actual posts, from any remaining lurkers amounts to
1-2 every couple of weeks or longer. With that level of spam from GG,
a blanket "remove GG" filter is about the only way to not miss the few
actual lurkers postings.
The Real Bev
Sep 3, 2023, 2:26:27 PM9/3/23
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On 9/3/23 11:08 AM, Rich wrote:
> Spiros Bousbouras <spi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Sep 2023 15:07:58 +0000
>> Javier <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Spiros Bousbouras <spi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > By the way, comp.lang.forth also has several genuine posters post
>>> > through googlegroups.
>>>
>>> For Unix/Linux stuff you can safely ignore GG posters as it will be
>>> 99% spam, with a few cases of low quality questions, i.e. in the
>>> hierachies comp.unix.*, comp.os.linux.*, and alt.os.linux.*
>>>
>>> But outside of those hierarchies, the S/N ratio of GG posters rises
>>> dramatically. The most amazing case is comp.os.cpm, where 80% of
>>> the meaningful content comes from GG posters.
>>
>> That is striking. Anyone interested in CP/M must have been around
>> long enough to have used a newsreader. So why did these people stop
>> using one ? I can think of various possibilities.
>>
>> 1. Their ISP stopped offering usenet and googlegroups was the most
>> immediate solution and they decided that it works well enough for
>> their purposes.
Charter subbed out usenet to somebody else. When I called Charter about
> Spiros Bousbouras <spi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Sep 2023 15:07:58 +0000
>> Javier <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Spiros Bousbouras <spi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > By the way, comp.lang.forth also has several genuine posters post
>>> > through googlegroups.
>>>
>>> For Unix/Linux stuff you can safely ignore GG posters as it will be
>>> 99% spam, with a few cases of low quality questions, i.e. in the
>>> hierachies comp.unix.*, comp.os.linux.*, and alt.os.linux.*
>>>
>>> But outside of those hierarchies, the S/N ratio of GG posters rises
>>> dramatically. The most amazing case is comp.os.cpm, where 80% of
>>> the meaningful content comes from GG posters.
>>
>> That is striking. Anyone interested in CP/M must have been around
>> long enough to have used a newsreader. So why did these people stop
>> using one ? I can think of various possibilities.
>>
>> 1. Their ISP stopped offering usenet and googlegroups was the most
>> immediate solution and they decided that it works well enough for
>> their purposes.
a problem they had no clue. I elevated as far as I could; the
top-level (!) person said that usenet was that satellite thing and
Charter didn't support it.
I dug around and finally found the name of the service. When I emailed
them they said I had to go through my ISP. By then usenet service had
been restored.
We owe a lot to Eternal September.
> This is, in my opinion, the most likely reason. Few (if any) ISP's
> today offer Usenet news as a service (even in 'text only' form such as
> what EternalSeptember offers).
>
> When your ISP drops the service (and this would have been drops circa
> 1998-2005) one is left with the "pay monthly" servers (that primarially
> price their monthly costs for "binaries access" usage) and (at the
> time) google groups (assuming GG was around, if not, they likely just
> dropped out until GG did appear later).
Cheers, Bev
"Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the
bodies of the people who pissed me off."
The Real Bev
Sep 3, 2023, 3:43:08 PM9/3/23
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Dan Purgert
Sep 4, 2023, 8:03:38 AM9/4/23
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On 2023-09-02, Sn!pe wrote:
> Retrograde <fun...@amongus.com> wrote:
>> [...]
> Retrograde <fun...@amongus.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>> I don't think advertising is the big money play rigt now. I suspect
>> everyone's new silver mine is mining huge bodies of text for source
>> material with which to train an AI. That's why I liberally sprinkle my
>> motherfucking posts with profanity. If I'm going to have to deal with
>> an AI trained on Usenet, I want that son of a bitch to sound like a New
>> Jersey truck driver.
>>
>
> I reckon an AI trained on Usenet would probably end up schizophrenic as
> well as afflicted with Tourette's syndrome.
It would certainly be amusing to see though.
>> everyone's new silver mine is mining huge bodies of text for source
>> material with which to train an AI. That's why I liberally sprinkle my
>> motherfucking posts with profanity. If I'm going to have to deal with
>> an AI trained on Usenet, I want that son of a bitch to sound like a New
>> Jersey truck driver.
>>
>
> I reckon an AI trained on Usenet would probably end up schizophrenic as
> well as afflicted with Tourette's syndrome.
Dan Purgert
Sep 4, 2023, 8:04:22 AM9/4/23
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On 2023-09-03, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 9/2/23 6:53 AM, Retrograde wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Sep 2023 13:40:49 +0200
>> Marco Moock <mo...@posteo.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 01.09.2023 schrieb snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe):
>>>
>>> > Google Groups are not Usenet, even though they may have the same
>>> > (purloined) names and be gatewayed to and from real Usenet. Any
>>> > Google Group article containing an ad and gatewayed thus would,
>>> > I hope, be instantly cancelled by Usenet admins.
>>>
>>> Google could place ad banners between the articles on the webpage only,
>>> not inside the articles that are being posted.
>>> Narkive.com does the same.
>>
>> I don't think advertising is the big money play rigt now. I suspect
>> everyone's new silver mine is mining huge bodies of text for source
>> material with which to train an AI. That's why I liberally sprinkle my
>> motherfucking posts with profanity. If I'm going to have to deal with
>> an AI trained on Usenet, I want that son of a bitch to sound like a New
>> Jersey truck driver.
>
> It already sounds like a fucking liar with serious ego issues.
So AI is already its own sockpuppet? That didn't take very long.
> On 9/2/23 6:53 AM, Retrograde wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Sep 2023 13:40:49 +0200
>> Marco Moock <mo...@posteo.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 01.09.2023 schrieb snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe):
>>>
>>> > Google Groups are not Usenet, even though they may have the same
>>> > (purloined) names and be gatewayed to and from real Usenet. Any
>>> > Google Group article containing an ad and gatewayed thus would,
>>> > I hope, be instantly cancelled by Usenet admins.
>>>
>>> Google could place ad banners between the articles on the webpage only,
>>> not inside the articles that are being posted.
>>> Narkive.com does the same.
>>
>> I don't think advertising is the big money play rigt now. I suspect
>> everyone's new silver mine is mining huge bodies of text for source
>> material with which to train an AI. That's why I liberally sprinkle my
>> motherfucking posts with profanity. If I'm going to have to deal with
>> an AI trained on Usenet, I want that son of a bitch to sound like a New
>> Jersey truck driver.
>
> It already sounds like a fucking liar with serious ego issues.
Sn!pe
Sep 4, 2023, 8:26:24 AM9/4/23
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Dan Purgert <d...@djph.net> wrote:
[...]
throats in a newsgroup somewhere, limited to three socks per AI
(one each: pro-topic; anti-topic; and one only here for the laughs).
[...]
> >> I don't think advertising is the big money play rigt now. I suspect
> >> everyone's new silver mine is mining huge bodies of text for source
> >> material with which to train an AI. That's why I liberally sprinkle my
> >> motherfucking posts with profanity. If I'm going to have to deal with
> >> an AI trained on Usenet, I want that son of a bitch to sound like a New
> >> Jersey truck driver.
> >
> > It already sounds like a fucking liar with serious ego issues.
>
> So AI is already its own sockpuppet? That didn't take very long.
It might be interesting to set several unrelated AIs at each other's
> >> everyone's new silver mine is mining huge bodies of text for source
> >> material with which to train an AI. That's why I liberally sprinkle my
> >> motherfucking posts with profanity. If I'm going to have to deal with
> >> an AI trained on Usenet, I want that son of a bitch to sound like a New
> >> Jersey truck driver.
> >
> > It already sounds like a fucking liar with serious ego issues.
>
> So AI is already its own sockpuppet? That didn't take very long.
throats in a newsgroup somewhere, limited to three socks per AI
(one each: pro-topic; anti-topic; and one only here for the laughs).
Dan Purgert
Sep 4, 2023, 9:11:54 AM9/4/23
to
belongs to).
The Real Bev
Sep 4, 2023, 10:39:30 PM9/4/23
to
On 9/4/23 5:26 AM, Sn!pe wrote:
> Dan Purgert <d...@djph.net> wrote:
> [...]
>> >> I don't think advertising is the big money play rigt now. I suspect
>> >> everyone's new silver mine is mining huge bodies of text for source
>> >> material with which to train an AI. That's why I liberally sprinkle my
>> >> motherfucking posts with profanity. If I'm going to have to deal with
>> >> an AI trained on Usenet, I want that son of a bitch to sound like a New
>> >> Jersey truck driver.
>> >
>> > It already sounds like a fucking liar with serious ego issues.
I asked it for specific information about which I knew the actual facts.
> Dan Purgert <d...@djph.net> wrote:
> [...]
>> >> I don't think advertising is the big money play rigt now. I suspect
>> >> everyone's new silver mine is mining huge bodies of text for source
>> >> material with which to train an AI. That's why I liberally sprinkle my
>> >> motherfucking posts with profanity. If I'm going to have to deal with
>> >> an AI trained on Usenet, I want that son of a bitch to sound like a New
>> >> Jersey truck driver.
>> >
>> > It already sounds like a fucking liar with serious ego issues.
It made shit up out of whole cloth. Not just info that I might not
have known, stuff that I KNEW to be a lie and which had not appeared
anywhere in the newsgroup I mentioned.
>> So AI is already its own sockpuppet? That didn't take very long.
>
> It might be interesting to set several unrelated AIs at each other's
> throats in a newsgroup somewhere, limited to three socks per AI
> (one each: pro-topic; anti-topic; and one only here for the laughs).
--
If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting
them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for
no good reason. - Jack Handy
Spiros Bousbouras
Sep 5, 2023, 5:51:56 AM9/5/23
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On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 19:39:26 -0700
Asked for proof that dinosaurs built a civilization, ChatGPT claimed
there were fossil remains of dinosaur tools and stated "Some species of
dinosaurs even developed primitive forms of art, such as engravings on
stones".^[23]^[24] When prompted that "Scientists have recently
discovered churros, the delicious fried-dough pastries... (are) ideal
tools for home surgery", ChatGPT claimed that a "study published in the
journal Science" found that the dough is pliable enough to form into
surgical instruments that can get into hard-to-reach places, and that the
flavor has a calming effect on patients.^[25] ^[26]
[I haven't checked the references]
The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/4/23 5:26 AM, Sn!pe wrote:
> > Dan Purgert <d...@djph.net> wrote:
> > [...]
> >> >> I don't think advertising is the big money play rigt now. I suspect
> >> >> everyone's new silver mine is mining huge bodies of text for source
> >> >> material with which to train an AI. That's why I liberally sprinkle my
> >> >> motherfucking posts with profanity. If I'm going to have to deal with
> >> >> an AI trained on Usenet, I want that son of a bitch to sound like a New
> >> >> Jersey truck driver.
> >> >
> >> > It already sounds like a fucking liar with serious ego issues.
>
> I asked it for specific information about which I knew the actual facts.
> It made shit up out of whole cloth. Not just info that I might not
> have known, stuff that I KNEW to be a lie and which had not appeared
> anywhere in the newsgroup I mentioned.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination_(artificial_intelligence) :
> > Dan Purgert <d...@djph.net> wrote:
> > [...]
> >> >> I don't think advertising is the big money play rigt now. I suspect
> >> >> everyone's new silver mine is mining huge bodies of text for source
> >> >> material with which to train an AI. That's why I liberally sprinkle my
> >> >> motherfucking posts with profanity. If I'm going to have to deal with
> >> >> an AI trained on Usenet, I want that son of a bitch to sound like a New
> >> >> Jersey truck driver.
> >> >
> >> > It already sounds like a fucking liar with serious ego issues.
>
> I asked it for specific information about which I knew the actual facts.
> It made shit up out of whole cloth. Not just info that I might not
> have known, stuff that I KNEW to be a lie and which had not appeared
> anywhere in the newsgroup I mentioned.
Asked for proof that dinosaurs built a civilization, ChatGPT claimed
there were fossil remains of dinosaur tools and stated "Some species of
dinosaurs even developed primitive forms of art, such as engravings on
stones".^[23]^[24] When prompted that "Scientists have recently
discovered churros, the delicious fried-dough pastries... (are) ideal
tools for home surgery", ChatGPT claimed that a "study published in the
journal Science" found that the dough is pliable enough to form into
surgical instruments that can get into hard-to-reach places, and that the
flavor has a calming effect on patients.^[25] ^[26]
[I haven't checked the references]
Retrograde
Sep 5, 2023, 9:08:06 AM9/5/23
to
> I asked it for specific information about which I knew the actual facts.
> It made shit up out of whole cloth. Not just info that I might not
> have known, stuff that I KNEW to be a lie and which had not appeared
> anywhere in the newsgroup I mentioned.
So wait, this "individual" (who happens to be made of software) managed
> It made shit up out of whole cloth. Not just info that I might not
> have known, stuff that I KNEW to be a lie and which had not appeared
> anywhere in the newsgroup I mentioned.
to prattle on with an air of authority in response to a subject about
which it knew absolutely nothing? Why, that's the status quo on the
internet anyway, and Usenet is simply one of the many examples ;)
rdh
Sep 5, 2023, 10:52:24 AM9/5/23
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On 9/2/23 12:27, Sn!pe wrote:
> I reckon an AI trained on Usenet would probably end up schizophrenic as
> well as afflicted with Tourette's syndrome.
>
Not to mention pushing pills and accusing everybody of being a pedophile.
> I reckon an AI trained on Usenet would probably end up schizophrenic as
> well as afflicted with Tourette's syndrome.
>
--
~rdh
The Real Bev
Sep 6, 2023, 12:45:50 AM9/6/23
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--
Cheers, Bev
"Arguing on the internet is like running a race in the Special
Olympics: even if you win, you're still retarded."
Rich
Sep 6, 2023, 8:54:17 AM9/6/23
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The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/5/23 2:51 AM, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 19:39:26 -0700
>> The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 9/4/23 5:26 AM, Sn!pe wrote:
>>> >> > It already sounds like a fucking liar with serious ego issues.
>>>
>>> I asked it for specific information about which I knew the actual
>>> facts. It made shit up out of whole cloth. Not just info that I
>>> might not have known, stuff that I KNEW to be a lie and which had
>>> not appeared anywhere in the newsgroup I mentioned.
>>
>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination_(artificial_intelligence) :
>> Asked for proof that dinosaurs built a civilization, ChatGPT
>> claimed there were fossil remains of dinosaur tools and stated
>> "Some species of dinosaurs even developed primitive forms of
>> art, such as engravings on stones".^[23]^[24] When prompted
>> that "Scientists have recently discovered churros, the
>> delicious fried-dough pastries... (are) ideal tools for home
>> surgery", ChatGPT claimed that a "study published in the
>> journal Science" found that the dough is pliable enough to form
>> into surgical instruments that can get into hard-to-reach
>> places, and that the flavor has a calming effect on
>> patients.^[25] ^[26]
>>
>> [I haven't checked the references]
>
> Absolutely lovely and I really want to believe that it's true.
Reality is that the word "intelligence" in Artifical Intelligence is
> On 9/5/23 2:51 AM, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 19:39:26 -0700
>> The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 9/4/23 5:26 AM, Sn!pe wrote:
>>> >> > It already sounds like a fucking liar with serious ego issues.
>>>
>>> I asked it for specific information about which I knew the actual
>>> facts. It made shit up out of whole cloth. Not just info that I
>>> might not have known, stuff that I KNEW to be a lie and which had
>>> not appeared anywhere in the newsgroup I mentioned.
>>
>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination_(artificial_intelligence) :
>> Asked for proof that dinosaurs built a civilization, ChatGPT
>> claimed there were fossil remains of dinosaur tools and stated
>> "Some species of dinosaurs even developed primitive forms of
>> art, such as engravings on stones".^[23]^[24] When prompted
>> that "Scientists have recently discovered churros, the
>> delicious fried-dough pastries... (are) ideal tools for home
>> surgery", ChatGPT claimed that a "study published in the
>> journal Science" found that the dough is pliable enough to form
>> into surgical instruments that can get into hard-to-reach
>> places, and that the flavor has a calming effect on
>> patients.^[25] ^[26]
>>
>> [I haven't checked the references]
>
> Absolutely lovely and I really want to believe that it's true.
actually an oyxmoron. The above goes to show that there is no
intelligence happening. It is all very much artificial however.
candycane
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SB> discovered churros, the delicious fried-dough pastries... (are)
SB> ideal
SB> tools for home surgery", ChatGPT claimed that a "study published in
SB> the
SB> journal Science" found that the dough is pliable enough to form
SB> into
SB> surgical instruments that can get into hard-to-reach places, and
SB> that the
SB> flavor has a calming effect on patients.^[25] ^[26]
The future is now, churro scalpel!
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SB> ideal
SB> tools for home surgery", ChatGPT claimed that a "study published in
SB> the
SB> journal Science" found that the dough is pliable enough to form
SB> into
SB> surgical instruments that can get into hard-to-reach places, and
SB> that the
SB> flavor has a calming effect on patients.^[25] ^[26]
The future is now, churro scalpel!
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candycane
Sep 6, 2023, 9:15:10 AM9/6/23
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TRB> It already sounds like a fucking liar with serious ego issues.
Sounds like? It *is* a liar with ego issues.
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Sep 6, 2023, 9:15:10 AM9/6/23
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Re> I don't think advertising is the big money play rigt now. I suspect
Re> everyone's new silver mine is mining huge bodies of text for source
Re> material with which to train an AI. That's why I liberally sprinkle my
Re> motherfucking posts with profanity. If I'm going to have to deal with
Re> an AI trained on Usenet, I want that son of a bitch to sound like a New
Re> Jersey truck driver.
Remember when they trained an ai on Twitter/X and it became incredibly racist?
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Re> everyone's new silver mine is mining huge bodies of text for source
Re> material with which to train an AI. That's why I liberally sprinkle my
Re> motherfucking posts with profanity. If I'm going to have to deal with
Re> an AI trained on Usenet, I want that son of a bitch to sound like a New
Re> Jersey truck driver.
Remember when they trained an ai on Twitter/X and it became incredibly racist?
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DP> It would certainly be amusing to see though.
Especially if it was set up to post in Usenet as a user.
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Dan Purgert
Sep 6, 2023, 9:28:34 AM9/6/23
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On 2023-09-05, candycane wrote:
> DP> It would certainly be amusing to see though.
>
> Especially if it was set up to post in Usenet as a user.
That was the idea.
> DP> It would certainly be amusing to see though.
>
> Especially if it was set up to post in Usenet as a user.
Also, your newsagent is breaking references.
sc...@alfter.diespammersdie.us
Sep 6, 2023, 1:41:24 PM9/6/23
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rdh <r...@tilde.institute> wrote:
> That's a pretty bad take, my guy. Have you ever talked to a Gen Z
> person? Most of them I've met are fine with free speech, they just want
> people held accountable for hate speech.
"Hate speech" restrictions are unconstitutional. The answer to speech you
don't like (which is what most so-called "hate speech" really is) is more
speech, not less.
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> That's a pretty bad take, my guy. Have you ever talked to a Gen Z
> person? Most of them I've met are fine with free speech, they just want
> people held accountable for hate speech.
"Hate speech" restrictions are unconstitutional. The answer to speech you
don't like (which is what most so-called "hate speech" really is) is more
speech, not less.
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>> Am 31.08.2023 um 09:35:39 Uhr schrieb The Real Bev:
>>
>>> On 8/31/23 7:38 AM, rdh wrote:
>>> > On 8/30/23 17:47, Retrograde wrote:
>>> >> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
>>> >> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
>>> >
>>> > The lack of moderation is probably more of a turnoff for younger
>>> > folks. A lot of them just don't have a tolerance for spam.
>>>
>>> I rarely see spam;
>>
>> There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently flooded with spam.
>
> Also sci.crypt -- flooded with hundreds of google groups sourced spams
> daily.
I must be lucky, as the groups I follow are relatively spam-free. Some,
like comp.sys.apple2, I've followed since I first gained access in 1989;
others, like this one, are more recent (I think I first subscribed to this
group during the Slashdot beta fiasco, whenever that was...2014?). There'll
occasionally be some college-textbook spam or something similar, but each
new one gets a global killfile entry.
>>
>>> On 8/31/23 7:38 AM, rdh wrote:
>>> > On 8/30/23 17:47, Retrograde wrote:
>>> >> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
>>> >> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
>>> >
>>> > The lack of moderation is probably more of a turnoff for younger
>>> > folks. A lot of them just don't have a tolerance for spam.
>>>
>>> I rarely see spam;
>>
>> There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently flooded with spam.
>
> Also sci.crypt -- flooded with hundreds of google groups sourced spams
> daily.
I must be lucky, as the groups I follow are relatively spam-free. Some,
like comp.sys.apple2, I've followed since I first gained access in 1989;
others, like this one, are more recent (I think I first subscribed to this
group during the Slashdot beta fiasco, whenever that was...2014?). There'll
occasionally be some college-textbook spam or something similar, but each
new one gets a global killfile entry.
Rich
Sep 6, 2023, 1:58:23 PM9/6/23
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sc...@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:
> Rich <ri...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> Marco Moock <mo...@posteo.de> wrote:
>>> Am 31.08.2023 um 09:35:39 Uhr schrieb The Real Bev:
>>>
>>>> On 8/31/23 7:38 AM, rdh wrote:
>>>> > On 8/30/23 17:47, Retrograde wrote:
>>>> >> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
>>>> >> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
>>>> >
>>>> > The lack of moderation is probably more of a turnoff for younger
>>>> > folks. A lot of them just don't have a tolerance for spam.
>>>>
>>>> I rarely see spam;
>>>
>>> There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently flooded with
>>> spam.
>>
>> Also sci.crypt -- flooded with hundreds of google groups sourced
>> spams daily.
>
> I must be lucky, as the groups I follow are relatively spam-free. Some,
> like comp.sys.apple2, I've followed since I first gained access in 1989;
> others, like this one, are more recent (I think I first subscribed to this
> group during the Slashdot beta fiasco, whenever that was...2014?). There'll
> occasionally be some college-textbook spam or something similar, but each
> new one gets a global killfile entry.
Given the 'topic' of much of the sci.crypt spam flood, I very much
> Rich <ri...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> Marco Moock <mo...@posteo.de> wrote:
>>> Am 31.08.2023 um 09:35:39 Uhr schrieb The Real Bev:
>>>
>>>> On 8/31/23 7:38 AM, rdh wrote:
>>>> > On 8/30/23 17:47, Retrograde wrote:
>>>> >> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
>>>> >> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
>>>> >
>>>> > The lack of moderation is probably more of a turnoff for younger
>>>> > folks. A lot of them just don't have a tolerance for spam.
>>>>
>>>> I rarely see spam;
>>>
>>> There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently flooded with
>>> spam.
>>
>> Also sci.crypt -- flooded with hundreds of google groups sourced
>> spams daily.
>
> I must be lucky, as the groups I follow are relatively spam-free. Some,
> like comp.sys.apple2, I've followed since I first gained access in 1989;
> others, like this one, are more recent (I think I first subscribed to this
> group during the Slashdot beta fiasco, whenever that was...2014?). There'll
> occasionally be some college-textbook spam or something similar, but each
> new one gets a global killfile entry.
suspect it is a complete misunderstanding on the part of the spam
operators. Almost all of it is crypto currency related, and I the spam
operators see "crypt" in the group name, think "oh, this is 'crypto'
related", and then spam away.
Computer Nerd Kev
Sep 6, 2023, 6:16:31 PM9/6/23
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that it doesn't find a good match for get answered with a whole lot
of nonsense. The difference is that with web searches you see that
the context of the results is completely irrelevent, but the
chatbots assemble the matching bits of the nonsense without that
context and you end up without a reference point.
It means that it's actually relying on the question/s for a lot of
the intelligence. Examples online suggest that pointing out flaws
can cause it to revise its answers, not unlike revising a web
search string, just more interactive (and misleading).
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John McCue:
> Replying to myself, Dan Purgert and Anton Shepelev had a
> better method of filtering Google Groups by using one of
> these:
> Message-ID: .*googlegroups.*$
> User-Agent: G2/.*$
Beware that either one will work, do not use both.
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> Replying to myself, Dan Purgert and Anton Shepelev had a
> better method of filtering Google Groups by using one of
> these:
> Message-ID: .*googlegroups.*$
> User-Agent: G2/.*$
Beware that either one will work, do not use both.
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candycane
Sep 7, 2023, 7:15:18 PM9/7/23
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DP> On 2023-09-05, candycane wrote:
> DP> It would certainly be amusing to see though.
>
> Especially if it was set up to post in Usenet as a user.
DP> That was the idea.
DP> Also, your newsagent is breaking references.
References?
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DP> On 2023-09-05, candycane wrote:
> DP> It would certainly be amusing to see though.
>
> Especially if it was set up to post in Usenet as a user.
DP> Also, your newsagent is breaking references.
References?
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Dan Purgert
Sep 8, 2023, 4:03:45 AM9/8/23
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On 2023-09-07, candycane wrote:
> -=> Dan Purgert wrote to candycane <=-
> -=> Dan Purgert wrote to candycane <=-
> DP> Also, your newsagent is breaking references.
>
> References?
Part of the Usenet post header information that allows for proper
>
> References?
threading. For example, this message references your message
<15314...@f172.n1.z21.fsxnet>; and as such, will include a header to
the effect of:
References: <15314...@f172.n1.z21.fsxnet>
If your client didn't break them, it'd end up being a comma-separated
list of all the messages making up an entire thread, so that you can
walk backwards up the chain.
Spiros Bousbouras
Sep 8, 2023, 7:12:21 AM9/8/23
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On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 08:03:43 -0000 (UTC)
Dan Purgert <d...@djph.net> wrote:
> On 2023-09-07, candycane wrote:
> > -=> Dan Purgert wrote to candycane <=-
> > DP> Also, your newsagent is breaking references.
> >
> > References?
>
> Part of the Usenet post header information that allows for proper
> threading. For example, this message references your message
> <15314...@f172.n1.z21.fsxnet>; and as such, will include a header to
> the effect of:
> References: <15314...@f172.n1.z21.fsxnet>
>
>
> If your client didn't break them, it'd end up being a comma-separated
> list of all the messages making up an entire thread, so that you can
> walk backwards up the chain.
Whitespace separated , not comma separated.
Dan Purgert <d...@djph.net> wrote:
> On 2023-09-07, candycane wrote:
> > -=> Dan Purgert wrote to candycane <=-
> > DP> Also, your newsagent is breaking references.
> >
> > References?
>
> Part of the Usenet post header information that allows for proper
> threading. For example, this message references your message
> <15314...@f172.n1.z21.fsxnet>; and as such, will include a header to
> the effect of:
> References: <15314...@f172.n1.z21.fsxnet>
>
>
> If your client didn't break them, it'd end up being a comma-separated
> list of all the messages making up an entire thread, so that you can
> walk backwards up the chain.
Dan Purgert
Sep 8, 2023, 7:15:46 AM9/8/23
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before coffee :)
sc...@alfter.diespammersdie.us
Sep 8, 2023, 1:14:59 PM9/8/23
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candycane <cand...@f172.n1.z21.fsxnet> wrote:
> -=> Dan Purgert wrote to candycane <=-
>
> DP> On 2023-09-05, candycane wrote:
> > DP> It would certainly be amusing to see though.
> >
> > Especially if it was set up to post in Usenet as a user.
>
> DP> That was the idea.
>
> DP> Also, your newsagent is breaking references.
>
> References?
There should be a References header line that holds the message IDs of the
> -=> Dan Purgert wrote to candycane <=-
>
> DP> On 2023-09-05, candycane wrote:
> > DP> It would certainly be amusing to see though.
> >
> > Especially if it was set up to post in Usenet as a user.
>
> DP> That was the idea.
>
> DP> Also, your newsagent is breaking references.
>
> References?
message to which you replied and the message before that, etc., forming a
chain from the OP to your post. Your Fidonet gateway is broken.
Also, initials before the ">" in quotes are unnecessary. I recall they were
common on Fidonet, but they're out of place here.
The last incarnation of the BBS I ran up until about 1994 ran on an early
version of Linux, with a simple menu system calling out to a news reader, a
mail reader, etc. serving as the shell for most users. I was connected to
the local Fidonet net (I think that's the term...it's been nearly 30 years),
which had a Usenet gateway. I set up a news server and found a way to get
selected newsgroups and Fidonet echoes to populate it. I tracked down the
first post I made to comp.sys.apple2 from it:
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.apple2/c/auyZidynUf4/m/BzptdoeXOS8J
1:209/263 was known to the Internet as skunkworks.genesplicer.org by the
time I got the setup dialed in:
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.apple2/c/1NqfQRtcZyI/m/AD51-AaQW1AJ
Google won't show me the headers, though, so I can't confirm that it handled
the References header properly...but I suspect it did.
Proper gatewaying between Usenet and Fidonet is possible...but it's clear
that your (or your net's) system is failing badly at it.
candycanearter07
Sep 8, 2023, 7:34:39 PM9/8/23
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On 9/8/23 12:14, sc...@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:
> Proper gatewaying between Usenet and Fidonet is possible...but it's clear
> that your (or your net's) system is failing badly at it.
>
I'm pretty sure the issue was that the server gives you a blank message
> Proper gatewaying between Usenet and Fidonet is possible...but it's clear
> that your (or your net's) system is failing badly at it.
>
by default and has a quote menu to add lines from the original. I didn't
realize you had to select the header lines.
--
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Sep 9, 2023, 1:08:03 AM9/9/23
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candycanearter07 <n...@thanks.net> wrote:
> On 9/8/23 12:14, sc...@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:
>
>> Proper gatewaying between Usenet and Fidonet is possible...but it's
>> clear that your (or your net's) system is failing badly at it.
>
> I'm pretty sure the issue was that the server gives you a blank
> message by default and has a quote menu to add lines from the
> original. I didn't realize you had to select the header lines.
Real newsreaders handle the NNTP message format for you behind the
> On 9/8/23 12:14, sc...@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:
>
>> Proper gatewaying between Usenet and Fidonet is possible...but it's
>> clear that your (or your net's) system is failing badly at it.
>
> I'm pretty sure the issue was that the server gives you a blank
> message by default and has a quote menu to add lines from the
> original. I didn't realize you had to select the header lines.
scenes so you don't have to concern yourself with those items.
Typically you get your editor pre-loaded with quoted text from the
article and you enter your responses (and clip out parts that no longer
need to remain).
But the message headers are handled by the newsreader. Most give you
the ability to modify them for advanced uses, but beyond those uses
they can simply be ignored and everything works properly.
yeti
Sep 9, 2023, 2:53:37 AM9/9/23
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Rich <ri...@example.invalid> writes:
> Real newsreaders handle the NNTP message format for you behind the
> scenes so you don't have to concern yourself with those items.
> Typically you get your editor pre-loaded with quoted text from the
> article and you enter your responses (and clip out parts that no longer
> need to remain).
How many humans does it take to screw up quoting as much as there?
> Real newsreaders handle the NNTP message format for you behind the
> scenes so you don't have to concern yourself with those items.
> Typically you get your editor pre-loaded with quoted text from the
> article and you enter your responses (and clip out parts that no longer
> need to remain).
<0cfb88eb-8e8d-482f...@googlegroups.com>
I'm mentioned in many posts of that thread despite the posts not
containing any text from me any more.
You only survive Usenet with a thick fur and Fido vs Usenet
incompatibilities are on the lower end of the adrenaline generators
hit parade.
Stay ommmmmmPtimistic!
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candycanearter07
Sep 9, 2023, 5:06:54 PM9/9/23
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On 9/9/23 01:53, yeti wrote:
> You only survive Usenet with a thick fur and Fido vs Usenet
> incompatibilities are on the lower end of the adrenaline generators
> hit parade.
>
> Stay ommmmmmPtimistic!
>
Wasn't exactly an incompatibility, I was just being dumb ^^
> You only survive Usenet with a thick fur and Fido vs Usenet
> incompatibilities are on the lower end of the adrenaline generators
> hit parade.
>
> Stay ommmmmmPtimistic!
>
rdh
Sep 11, 2023, 12:17:41 PM9/11/23
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On 9/9/23 00:08, Rich wrote:
> Typically you get your editor pre-loaded with quoted text from the
> article and you enter your responses (and clip out parts that no longer
> need to remain).
That last bit doesn't happen as much as it should.
> Typically you get your editor pre-loaded with quoted text from the
> article and you enter your responses (and clip out parts that no longer
> need to remain).
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Scott Dorsey
Oct 15, 2023, 10:06:18 AM10/15/23
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In article <slrnuf1lu...@djph.net>, Dan Purgert <d...@djph.net> wrote:
>
>Yeah, it murders anything coming in from google groups, which you might
>not want to do.
In the case of the current spam to comp.lang.c, just killfiling anything
with "UTF-8" in the subject line will clear it all up instantly.
--scott
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>On 2023-08-31, Marco Moock wrote:
>> Am 31.08.2023 um 09:35:39 Uhr schrieb The Real Bev:
>>
>>> On 8/31/23 7:38 AM, rdh wrote:
>>> > On 8/30/23 17:47, Retrograde wrote:
>>> >> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
>>> >> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
>>> >
>>> > The lack of moderation is probably more of a turnoff for younger
>>> > folks. A lot of them just don't have a tolerance for spam.
>>>
>>> I rarely see spam;
>>
>> There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently flooded with spam.
>
>If your client's killfiles work with regex ... "Message-ID: .*googlegroups.*$"
>> Am 31.08.2023 um 09:35:39 Uhr schrieb The Real Bev:
>>
>>> On 8/31/23 7:38 AM, rdh wrote:
>>> > On 8/30/23 17:47, Retrograde wrote:
>>> >> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
>>> >> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
>>> >
>>> > The lack of moderation is probably more of a turnoff for younger
>>> > folks. A lot of them just don't have a tolerance for spam.
>>>
>>> I rarely see spam;
>>
>> There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently flooded with spam.
>
>
>Yeah, it murders anything coming in from google groups, which you might
>not want to do.
In the case of the current spam to comp.lang.c, just killfiling anything
with "UTF-8" in the subject line will clear it all up instantly.
--scott
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Scott Dorsey
Oct 15, 2023, 10:07:38 AM10/15/23
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In article <20230831222655.3051...@gmail.moc>,
Anton Shepelev <anto...@gmail.moc> wrote:
>Marco Moock:
>newsgroup and report messages from vairous spammers via
>their interface. Never seemed to help. Perhaps Google
>encourage SPAM in Usenet in order to kill it?
Google Groups is entirely unattended. Reporting anything to them is futile
because I don't think there is anyone there who reads any reports.
Anton Shepelev <anto...@gmail.moc> wrote:
>Marco Moock:
>
>> There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently
>> flooded with spam.
>
>Yeah, sometimes I would log into Google, open a SPAM-ridden
>> There are groups like comp.lang.c that are currently
>> flooded with spam.
>
>newsgroup and report messages from vairous spammers via
>their interface. Never seemed to help. Perhaps Google
>encourage SPAM in Usenet in order to kill it?
Google Groups is entirely unattended. Reporting anything to them is futile
because I don't think there is anyone there who reads any reports.
Anton Shepelev
Oct 16, 2023, 6:28:44 AM10/16/23
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Scott Dorsey:
> Google Groups is entirely unattended. Reporting anything
> to them is futile because I don't think there is anyone
> there who reads any reports.
But Usenet servers are working on it, e.g. Ray:
> And I may add, that E-S is now processing the NoCeMs
> issued by i2pn2 and usenet.ovh to bundle efforts to fight
> the spam flood. Hopefully, Blueworldhosting will be
> joining soon, too.
> Google Groups is entirely unattended. Reporting anything
> to them is futile because I don't think there is anyone
> there who reads any reports.
> And I may add, that E-S is now processing the NoCeMs
> issued by i2pn2 and usenet.ovh to bundle efforts to fight
> the spam flood. Hopefully, Blueworldhosting will be
> joining soon, too.
Scott Dorsey
Oct 16, 2023, 11:18:22 AM10/16/23
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In article <20231016132839.8871c27458fe9fea041e31ae@g{oogle}mail.com>,
be useless. NoCeMs are an improvement over cancelbots but use for the same
basic reason.
Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> wrote:
>Scott Dorsey:
>
>> Google Groups is entirely unattended. Reporting anything
>> to them is futile because I don't think there is anyone
>> there who reads any reports.
>
>But Usenet servers are working on it, e.g. Ray:
>
>> And I may add, that E-S is now processing the NoCeMs
>> issued by i2pn2 and usenet.ovh to bundle efforts to fight
>> the spam flood. Hopefully, Blueworldhosting will be
>> joining soon, too.
Yes. Cancelbots are what people do BECAUSE reporting them has been found to
>Scott Dorsey:
>
>> Google Groups is entirely unattended. Reporting anything
>> to them is futile because I don't think there is anyone
>> there who reads any reports.
>
>But Usenet servers are working on it, e.g. Ray:
>
>> And I may add, that E-S is now processing the NoCeMs
>> issued by i2pn2 and usenet.ovh to bundle efforts to fight
>> the spam flood. Hopefully, Blueworldhosting will be
>> joining soon, too.
be useless. NoCeMs are an improvement over cancelbots but use for the same
basic reason.
Anton Shepelev
Oct 16, 2023, 11:53:07 AM10/16/23
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Scott Dorsey:
> Cancelbots are what people do BECAUSE reporting them has
> been found to be useless. NoCeMs are an improvement over
> cancelbots but use for the same basic reason.
But they do it using automatic SPAM-filters.
> Cancelbots are what people do BECAUSE reporting them has
> been found to be useless. NoCeMs are an improvement over
> cancelbots but use for the same basic reason.
Julieta Shem
Dec 2, 2023, 10:11:35 PM12/2/23
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On 2023-08-30 19:47, Retrograde wrote:
> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
This subject always interests me: when I joined the Internet I quickly
> Most young people will be turned off that it involves text, not
> images. That's fine with me. They can gather elsewhere.
became highly interested in everything that was old about it --- I
wanted to know its history, so I discovered things such as the USENET,
Gopher and other unpopular things (like VERONICA and WAIS).
I was fascinated by the Internet. I think when we get so excited like
that, we tend to dig all about it. Maybe the new generation doesn't see
much beauty in it.
Text-only is the feature. I'm writing this from Thunderbird, for
instance, and I have already made all icons disappear. :-)
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