Spell check
John Johnson
finds a word and Eudora freezes up, have to use windows to close it
I reinstall and the problem remains.
I have another copy on another drive and it seems to work okay.
John H Meyers
> Running 7.109 All of a sudden the Spell check isn't working.
There's usually an actual cause for everything,
such as something that occurred shortly before.
Any ideas at that end?
> it finds a word and Eudora freezes up,
> have to use windows to close it
> I reinstall and the problem remains.
> I have another copy on another drive and it seems to work okay.
Try copying file "UserJunkDB.txt" from that system to yours.
But first, Jim H might like to know,
what are the first ten lines from that file
on your currently freezing system?
--
John H Meyers
> Try copying file "UserJunkDB.txt" from that system to yours.
Oops, I meant "uchange.tlx" and "uignore.tlx"
(or any other *.tlx, if I forgot one)
The first few lines of each file, from the "bad" system,
may still be of interest.
--
John Johnson
Thanks
This files seem to be the same in both Eudoras
Do not remember anything different. Was working fine a few days ago
and yesterday it just doesnt work
It highlights the mispelled word but does nothing. Pressing enter not
unfreezes it but the word remains mispelled.
uchange
#LID 0009 0 0
uignore
#LID 1033 1 7
com
e-mailmm
eudora
org
pacbell
qualcomm
yahoogroups
usuggest
#LID 0009 2 0
american.tlx
#LID 1033 1 1018
April
August
December
February
Friday
I
I'd
John H Meyers
> It highlights the mispelled word but does nothing.
> Pressing enter not unfreezes it but the word remains mispelled.
I don't understand what you just wrote.
Are you in "sponsored" or "paid" mode?
Are you using "check spelling automatically as you type,"
or "Edit" > "Check Spelling"?
What exact actions do you perform?
(right-click on "redlined" word, or click a specific button, etc.)
and then what results?
[below are files you posted]
uchange
#LID 0009 0 0
uignore
#LID 1033 1 7
com
e-mailmm
eudora
org
pacbell
qualcomm
yahoogroups
usuggest
#LID 0009 2 0
american.tlx
#LID 1033 1 1018
April
August
December
[...]
[End of posted files]
Meaning of header: #LID 1033 1 7
#LID 1033 is the language ID for language dictionaries
(E.g. 1033=American, 2057=British)
1 is a lexicon type number (0=auto_change,1=ignore,2=suggest,3=exclude)
7 is the number of entries (word lines) in the file
(lines in types 0 and 2 are "change_this:to_this")
My own "uignore" says "#LID 0009" rather than "#LID 1033"
Katrina also suggests "#LID 0009" for the _user_ files,
though I do not know whether this is necessary
(do you know how your "uignore" became "#LID 1033"?)
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows/msg/c0d95ce640aba5ea
"Foreign Dictionaries (Windows Eudora)"
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1426hq.html
For the curious -- geek info from Wintertree Software
http://www.wintertree-software.com/support/ssce/converting4xtlxfiles.html
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John Johnson
<jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:29:33 -0600, John Johnson wrote:
>
>> It highlights the mispelled word but does nothing.
>> Pressing enter not unfreezes it but the word remains mispelled.
>
>I don't understand what you just wrote.
>
>Are you in "sponsored" or "paid" mode?
Paid mode, been using Eudora for many years
When I click on spell check, it will find the mispelled word highlight
it, but thats all, it will not correct it Misspelled words will be
underlined as I type them in. . But no changes are made either way.
Any pressing of the mouse yields a beep but no action. Pressing enter
that gets me back to normal.
John H Meyers
> Paid mode, been using Eudora for many years
>
> When I click on spell check, it will find the mispelled word highlight
> it, but that's all, it will not correct it Misspelled words will be
> underlined as I type them in. . But no changes are made either way.
> Any pressing of the mouse yields a beep but no action. Pressing enter
> that gets me back to normal.
Does "gets me back to normal" mean that it starts working properly?
If, while Eudora is closed, you move all your u*.tlx files
to another place for safekeeping, does the problem go away?
(if not, close Eudora again and move your files back).
Have you ever manually added or changed any spelling dictionaries?
Re-running the Eudora installer is one way to replace
the original dictionaries (although it will not remove
any extras that may have been added).
--
John H Meyers
hold down [Alt] on keyboard while clicking on the following,
when it is in the body of a Eudora message:
<X-Eudora-Option:MainLexFiles>
The default value here is: american.tlx,american.clx
--
John Johnson
<jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:32:02 -0600, John Johnson wrote:
>
>> Paid mode, been using Eudora for many years
>>
>> When I click on spell check, it will find the mispelled word highlight
>> it, but that's all, it will not correct it Misspelled words will be
>> underlined as I type them in. . But no changes are made either way.
>> Any pressing of the mouse yields a beep but no action. Pressing enter
>> that gets me back to normal.
>
>Does "gets me back to normal" mean that it starts working properly?
Yes
The mouse doesnt work but the enter key does?
>
>If, while Eudora is closed, you move all your u*.tlx files
>to another place for safekeeping, does the problem go away?
>(if not, close Eudora again and move your files back).
NO
>
>Have you ever manually added or changed any spelling dictionaries?
>
NO
>Re-running the Eudora installer is one way to replace
>the original dictionaries (although it will not remove
>any extras that may have been added).
Did reinstalling made no difference.
There must be another corrupted file, either in Eudora directory or
somewhere in Windows. Not sure if reinstalling overwrites everything
Like I said the other copy on another USB drive works fine.
Also thanks for the help
John Johnson
<jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>By the way, what value do you see when you
>hold down [Alt] on keyboard while clicking on the following,
>when it is in the body of a Eudora message:
>
><X-Eudora-Option:MainLexFiles>
nothing happens.
John H Meyers
>> By the way, what value do you see when you
>> hold down [Alt] on keyboard while clicking on the following,
>> when it is in the body of a Eudora message:
>> <X-Eudora-Option:MainLexFiles>
> nothing happens.
Then Eudora isn't functioning at all :)
--
John Johnson
Didnt notice
Under neath Eudora, I get a box about changing opitons but they are
all the same. american.tlx, american.clx
John H Meyers
Well, I can't picture what the problem is,
but if it's that the window is off-screen,
in which the "suggestions" and buttons should appear,
then "Tools" > "Reset Tools" will reset all window positions.
--
John Johnson
'When I reset tools, the spell check icon goes away
John H Meyers
> When I reset tools, the spell check icon goes away
If you mean a toolbar button, yes, the toolbar is reset,
so just "customize" it (add any buttons) again.
Meanwhile, the standard menu item (and keyboard shortcut)
never go away:
"Edit" > "Check Spelling" (Ctrl+6)
If "Check spelling Automatically as you type" is enabled,
this also continues, all the time, which somewhat elminates
the need to perform the spell check manually.
--
John Johnson
<jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:24:21 -0600, John Johnson wrote:
>
>> When I reset tools, the spell check icon goes away
>
>If you mean a toolbar button, yes, the toolbar is reset,
>so just "customize" it (add any buttons) again.
>
>Meanwhile, the standard menu item (and keyboard shortcut)
>never go away:
ON reset the spell icon does not come back the others do
Have to manually add it but it doesnt do any good
just noticed if a highlight a obvious mispelled work, and right mouse
click on it I get a number of alternative spellings.
>
>"Edit" > "Check Spelling" (Ctrl+6)
>
>If "Check spelling Automatically as you type" is enabled,
>this also continues, all the time, which somewhat elminates
>the need to perform the spell check manually.
No that doesnt have any effect one way or another. mispelled words
are underlined in red but not corrected.
What are the files that run the spell check?
John H Meyers
> On reset the spell icon does not come back the others do
> Have to manually add it but it doesn't do any good
"Goodness" is too non-technical a concept for me to understand :)
>> If "Check spelling Automatically as you type" is enabled,
>> this also continues, all the time, which somewhat elminates
>> the need to perform the spell check manually.
> No that doesnt have any effect one way or another.
> misspelled words are underlined in red but not corrected.
[...]
> just noticed if I highlight a obvious mispelled word,
> and right mouse click on it
> I get a number of alternative spellings.
This sounds like a very useful discovery.
You don't need to even bother highlighting,
just right-click a "red-lined" word,
as mentioned on page 55 of the manual, downloadable from:
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/manuals.html/
Quoting the manual:
Checking Your Spelling Automatically
(Sponsored and Paid modes only)
Automatic spell check is the inline spell check feature of Eudora.
If automatic spell check is turned on,
misspelled words are underlined in the message body
after you type them and press the spacebar.
To correct the word or display a drop-down word list
from which to choose the correct word, right-click the underlined word.
--
John Johnson
Old Eudora User
> "Well, it just starting working, have no idea way"
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - -
Like you. John, I've been using Eudora (paid mode) for years, and am
sitting on the final Qualcomm release (v7.1.0.9). And also like you,
it has been working fine under Windows 7 (64-bit) for months.
Unfortunately, also like in your case, out of the blue a day or two
ago Eudora spell checker started freezing. It is unpredictable,
happening only on some or in fact most messages. (But ,strangely, not
every single one. Sometimes the misspelled word display the red
squiggly underlining and the alternative spellings can be handled
correctly via the context menu of alternative spellings following
which the message can be sent off.)
When the freezing occurs, the first misspelled work (in the Subject
line, or the message body) is reverse highlighted. Then exactly like
you described, you cannot right-click on that misspelled word to get a
pop-up list of alternatives. Eudora has by then become completely
frozen, and the only thing you can do is terminate the eudora.exe task
via Windows Task Manager.
I can usually exit Eudora gracefully by using the Exit option in the
System Tray icon, which then prompts me to save (so I don't lose any
typed text). This doesn't always seem to work though, so I have to
kill the eudora.exe task using Windows task manager (and then lose any
entered text of course). In fact, even if I successfully exit and
save, I find eudora.exe still running so always have to kill it
anyway. Weird, eh?
I've done nothing at all deliberate to change Eudora in any way, this
just started happening all by itself. It MIGHT be a case of corrupted
Eudora file or files (one of the .tlx files, for example), I've had
that happen occasionally over the years. It's certainly not easy to
determine the cause. Could it be some change in Windows 7 (say,
following an automatic Windows update)? Could it be some other
application that is now in some way interfering with Eudora?
I'm bamboozled! I don't have a clue what has caused this to start
happening, some I'm just wildly guessing at the moment. Maybe a
Windows 7 update changed something or other and I've only noticed this
strange behavior since rebooting earlier today (I usually go into
Sleep mode, and reboot only every few days).
Maybe it was something else entirely different. It's hard to diagnose,
as you found, an it's extremely disruptive because I'm heavy e-mail
user.
I'm thinking of doing a re-installation of Eudora (which I know from
bitter experience can have its own issues), but am holding off trying
this for the moment.
I hope mind "just starts working" again like in your case.
.... Cheers, Tony Austin
.... CEO, Asia/Pacific Computer Services
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John H Meyers
> I've done nothing at all deliberate to change Eudora in any way, this
> just started happening all by itself. It MIGHT be a case of corrupted
> Eudora file or files (one of the .tlx files, for example)
To find out, try moving the "user" dictionaries somewhere else,
and also look at each dictionary's "word count" line
(the first non-comment line in the file) for anomalies.
> I'm thinking of doing a re-installation of Eudora
> (which I know from bitter experience can have its own issues)
What sort of bitter experience?
All that the installer does is to refresh the program files,
and possibly to alter one line in file "Deudora.ini"
(the line which remembers your choice for where your mail is kept).
People who can't find their mail after repeating an install
have usually just given a different answer to that question
than they did originally, which is easily fixed,
even though it may be a shock not to see one's original
mail and settings, upon first launching Eudora.
FWIW, Eudora's spell check engine is Wintertree Software's
spell32.dll library (version 4.21)
--
NotesTracker
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:06:48 -0600, Old Eudora User wrote:
>
----> and also look at each dictionary's "word count" line
----> (the first non-comment line in the file) for anomalies.
# THANKS for your interest, John! ... THANKS.
# I renamed the three .tlx files starting with "u" (presumably you
meant
# these user lexicon files) and experienced the same reverse
highlighting
# of the first misspelled world with freezing up.
# Also checked back to the various old installations (I've kept them
all)
# and these .tlx files seem to be nothing out of the ordinary
# although I've no idea what the parameters on that first line
represent
# nor how to validate them against actual lexicon file contents.
# Any tips? (The problem might lie elsewhere, anyhow.)
> > I'm thinking of doing a re-installation of Eudora
> > (which I know from bitter experience can have its own issues)
----> What sort of bitter experience?
# Well, "bitter" might be going a bit too far I suppose...
# I've a modestly good understanding of what some of the files do.
# I've probably re-installed Eudora 15 or 20 times over the years,
from Windows 3.1 to Windows 7.
# since latching onto it (a year or two before Windows 95 and Outlook
turned up).
# I've steadfastly refused to move to Outlook, prefer Eudora's
separate folders
# to Outlooks monolithic .PST approach (folders are easily backed up,
manipulated and recovered).
# After some reinstalls, but curiously not every time, found (I think)
the uignore.tlx
# had become read-only -- goodness knows why, again "out of the blue"
-- and
# only found out this was the cause via Qualcomm technical support
(I'm a paid-up user).
# I think this read-only problem occurred once early on (mid 1990s)
# and it turned out to be with the LMOS.DAT file (Leave Mail On
Server)
# once again only found out after help from Qualcomm tech support.
# These cases were resolved, of course, by switching off the read-only
attribute
# for the files concerned, this being not at all obvious to the
uninitiated!
#Then after a couple of other re-installs, I found Eudora would launch
but quickly freeze up
# very early on and become unusable. Fixed this each time after
fiddling with various files,
# can't remember exactly what I had to do (flew by the seat of my
pants).
#
# I still find Eudora version 7.1.0.9 (the final one released by
Qualcomm, alas)
# to be quite effective, what with X1 search built in and other
features I like
# (even little features like "Send to Browser" that I'd sorely miss if
not in
# whatever I might eventually have to migrate to if forced screaming
to drop Eudora).
>
----> FWIW, Eudora's spell check engine is Wintertree Software's
----> spell32.dll library (version 4.21)
# Yeah, John, just noticed that in some of the files I checked.
# What else might cause this "out of the blue" recent lapse into
freezing up, I wonder.
# Could it even be some obscure Windows Update effect that happened
last week?
# I'm running 64-bit Windows 7 Ultimate (which I find rather nice).
> --
NotesTracker
"Old Eudora User" and "NotesTracker" that is.
(FWIW, the latter is an SDK I developed for Lotus Notes).
John H Meyers
> What else might cause this "out of the blue" recent lapse into
> freezing up, I wonder.
> Could it even be some obscure Windows Update effect that happened
> last week?
I do not know. Does anyone else have this problem,
or can you find a fellow sufferer via internet searching?
Various "usual suspects" include anti-virus programs (or suites)
and other software -- even errant device drivers.
Investigating these suspects is, unfortunately, a matter
of one at a time disabling, then see what happens.
> I'm running 64-bit Windows 7 Ultimate (which I find rather nice).
Glad you have enough bits on hand to run it :)
The "advisor" tells me to forget it,
which I'm perfectly happy to agree with.
Is the first you've mentioned Windows 7?
Does your "Data" path in "Help" | "About Eudora"
have anything to do with where program files are normally stored?
Reminder to the world: This ain't no good in Windows,
has been bad ever since Windows 2000,
and is now punishable by real malfunctions.
--
D G Couper
<jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>Does your "Data" path in "Help" | "About Eudora"
>have anything to do with where program files are normally stored?
>
>Reminder to the world: This ain't no good in Windows,
>has been bad ever since Windows 2000,
>and is now punishable by real malfunctions.
Should probably have another thread but...
I have both program and data in C:\ program files\qualcom\eudora which
seems to be a problem for most people. But it's been this way since
2kPro up to (now) 76 Ultimate 32bit).
Luck or superior computering?
*****************
Now most dentist's chair go up and down, don't they? The one I was in went backwards and forwards. I thought "This is unusual". And the dentist said to me, "Mr Cooper, get out of the filing cabinet".
John H Meyers
JHM:
>> Does your "Data" path in "Help" | "About Eudora"
>> have anything to do with where program files are normally stored?
>>
>> Reminder to the world: This ain't no good in Windows,
>> has been bad ever since Windows 2000,
>> and is now punishable by real malfunctions.
D G C
> Should probably have another thread but...
>
> I have both program and data in C:\ program files\qualcom\eudora which
> seems to be a problem for most people. But it's been this way since
> 2kPro up to (now) 76 Ultimate 32bit).
>
> Luck or superior computering?
Pure Irish charm (or luck :)
Completely and permanently disabling UAC increases that luck
(although decreasing security for program files).
Automatic "Folder virtualization" in Vista and Windows 7
is _supposed_ to make it possible to not notice anyway,
and to keep functioning despite all "data writing"
being diverted elsewhere, but this "breaks"
for many users, revealing that it is
"skating on pretty thin ice" to rely on it,
as well as complicating any backup (or data transfer) strategy.
Toying with "Run as" and "Compatibility" settings
may vary the results, but installing in accord with
basic guidelines (programs where they belong, data elsewhere)
raises perfect operation to a certainty.
For the complete scoop about Vista
and user data in "Program Files" folders, see:
"A Closer Look at Windows Vista, Part I: Security Changes"
("File System and Registry Virtualization")
http://zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/5538#toc3
Or just admire the nice drawings accompanying the geek stuff :)
--
NotesTracker
> >
> I do not know. Does anyone else have this problem,
> or can you find a fellow sufferer via internet searching?
##
> Various "usual suspects" include anti-virus programs (or suites)
> and other software -- even errant device drivers.
## is more complicated (in most ways) than the IBM System/370
## announced just after I joined IBM in 1970.
##
> Investigating these suspects is, unfortunately, a matter
> of one at a time disabling, then see what happens.
##
> > I'm running 64-bit Windows 7 Ultimate (which I find rather nice).
> > Glad you have enough bits on hand to run it :) The "advisor"
> > tells me to forget it, which I'm perfectly happy to agree with.
## that Eudora still works well in this environment (except for
## this latest problem, which I doubt is Windows 7's fault).
##
> Is the first you've mentioned Windows 7?
##
> Does your "Data" path in "Help" | "About Eudora"
> have anything to do with where program files are normally stored?
## never caused me any problems so far. Are you perhaps suggesting
## they should be in quite separate paths?
##
> Reminder to the world: This ain't no good in Windows,
> has been bad ever since Windows 2000,
> and is now punishable by real malfunctions.
## and it's what all my customers use, so ...
>
John H Meyers
>> Is the first you've mentioned Windows 7?
> Not sure what you meant by this...
That you hadn't before mentioned your Windows version, I suppose.
>> Does your "Data" path in "Help" | "About Eudora"
>> have anything to do with where program files are normally stored?
> I've always kept them in the same path since I started with Eudora,
> never caused me any problems so far. Are you perhaps suggesting
> they should be in quite separate paths?
Well, yes:
http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com/showpost.php?p=43025
It may or may not affect your immediate symptom,
but you may well encounter other effects.
>> Reminder to the world: �This ain't no good in Windows,
>> has been bad ever since Windows 2000,
>> and is now punishable by real malfunctions.
> Yeah, maybe, but it's got the bulk of the market,
> and it's what all my customers use, so ...
By "this" I meant doing the thing above.
But now that you mention it, don't use Windows either :)
"I've been adding a few drops of nitro to every tank of gas for years,
never caused me any problems so far..." ;-)
--
NotesTracker
Guess what, John (Meyers)? After several days of tearing my hair out,
wondering why on earth why the spell checker was locking up for no
apparent reason, today when I tried it everything was back to normal.
I have no idea what went wrong, and even less idea why things have
righted themselves. There must be a reason for the failure (and the
recovery), but your guess is as good as mine. Thanks for offering your
opinions and advice, anyway, John.
BTW, one of your points was about where I have my Eudora data folder.
In fact, I've always the Eudora program folder on my D: drive, with
the Eudora data folder as a sub-folder of that. This has worked well
for me over the years, since I've been able to re-install various
versions of Windows on the C: drive (and other versions of Windows in
dual-boot mode on other drives too) and have been able to get them all
to work with that same location of of Eudora (even when the occasional
catastrophic disk problem has caused the C: drive to be lost).
One of the reasons I like Eudora is that it's relatively easy to
understand the program elements and to manage/reinstall individual
data folders, unlike the monolithic PST files used by Outlook for
example. Actually, I was using Eudora for a couple of years before
Windows 95 and Outlook appeared on the scene, and after testing
Outlook have always given it a wide berth. One shortcoming, though, is
that there's a huge range of third-party apps that have been designed
to interface with Outlook, that always ere unavailable for Eudora
(even before Qualcomm recommitted further development).
But luckily the X1 search (for Paid mode) added late in its life
turned Eudora into an extremely competent productivity tool, and I'm
quite happy to keep living with it... Despite the very occasional
inscrutable bouts of behavior like this bizarre spell checker problem,
which suddenly reared its ugly head and then just as suddenly went
away (at least, I hope that it has gone away).
One day, Penelope or Eudora 8 or some other e-mail suite might entice
me away from Eudora 7 -- but I'm in nor rush to switch due to the
uncertainly about whether they're as functional. Enough said, for the
moment.
John H Meyers
> Guess what, after several days of tearing my hair out,
> wondering why on earth why the spell checker was locking up for no
> apparent reason, today when I tried it everything was back to normal.
The same as said "John Johnson," in the last post on November 14, 2009,
just before your problem began (whom you quoted, in your first post).
So it's evidently just a "cold spell" being passed around -- others can get
a shot of C2H5OH vaccine, and may be protected for the duration of Winter :)
--
Ajo Wissink
Most days I take a dose of it at both lunch and dinner and haven't
had a cold in years.
--
Ajo Wissink
NotesTracker
> So it's evidently just a "cold spell" being passed around -- others can get
> a shot of C2H5OH vaccine, and may be protected for the duration of Winter :)
>
After a week or so of normal behavior, the dreaded Eudora spell
checker
syndrome has returned again, out of the blue just like last time.
AFAIK nothing that I've done is untoward that should
cause this to happen again. ... Obscure, inscrutable, puzzling,
John H Meyers
According to some of the previous responses,
put the mail on a USB drive and it should be fine :)
Want to try turning off any anti-virus (or similar) package,
for long enough to see whether it makes any difference?
Have you run any spyware checkers too?
Otherwise try turning off Windows :)
--
kmwittko
you are not alone. The same thing just happened to me. out of the blue, Eudora started freezing during spell check.
Since then, did something happen that helped you identifying what caused the problem?
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frmsrcurl: http://compgroups.net/comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows/Spell-check
John H Meyers
When "Commit charge" exceeds "Physical memory" in my computer,
then _everything_ freezes (while vigorous page swapping occurs)
--