Re: [C320-list] Port light replacement
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Rene
May 7, 2021, 10:33:52 AM5/7/21
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Does anyone have any recommendations for a sealant to replace the port lights?
Thanks,
Rene'
#545
Little Wing
Thanks,
Rene'
#545
Little Wing
P.F. Ross
May 7, 2021, 11:08:11 AM5/7/21
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Rene,
My guess is that you will get various opinions on this, but I used "Bed It"
butyl tape as found on Marinehowto.com
https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/
I like this tape best (I have tried others) because it is so stretchy and
sticky (almost too much so).
Regards,
Frank Ross
Beta Wave #206
My guess is that you will get various opinions on this, but I used "Bed It"
butyl tape as found on Marinehowto.com
https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/
I like this tape best (I have tried others) because it is so stretchy and
sticky (almost too much so).
Regards,
Frank Ross
Beta Wave #206
Bruce Hunter
May 7, 2021, 12:10:41 PM5/7/21
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I have 2 in and 2 to go. I'm using bed-it butyl tape. Butyl is what was in the factory ones on our 2000 and they never leaked, don't know if it was actually Bed-it or not. Be careful with the hardware. I started out with M5 x 30mm on the top and once the tape (2 layers) compressed i replaced the M5 x 30s with the M5 x 25s that came with the portlights the bottom holes I just used the old M5 x 30s. Keep checking with a depth gage to make sure your bolts don't bottom out in the brackets. Its really easy.
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On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 12:10 PM, Bruce Hunter<swampc...@yahoo.com> wrote: I have 2 in and 2 to go. I'm using bed-it butyl tape. Butyl is what was in the factory ones on our 2000 and they never leaked, don't know if it was actually Bed-it or not. Be careful with the hardware. I started out with M5 x 30mm on the top and once the tape (2 layers) compressed i replaced the M5 x 30s with the M5 x 25s that came with the portlights the bottom holes I just used the old M5 x 30s. Keep checking with a depth gage to make sure your bolts don't bottom out in the brackets. Its really easy.
John Morrison
May 7, 2021, 12:14:05 PM5/7/21
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I have used 3M4200. Don’t use 5200 or they’ll never come off!!
JohnM
1999#574
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 7, 2021, at 11:08 AM, P.F. Ross <pfr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Rene,
JohnM
1999#574
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> On May 7, 2021, at 11:08 AM, P.F. Ross <pfr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Rene,
Troy Dunn
May 7, 2021, 1:15:08 PM5/7/21
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Which portlights? Fixed, opening, or "deadlights"? It matters...
For the opening portlights on the cabintop use bed-it butyl tape from
compass marine.
For the dead lights on the cabin top you need to use a good adhesive
sealant that is compatible with your replacement material of choice
(polycarbonate or cast acrylic)
For the fixed portlights (on the hull) pretty sure butyl tape is the way to
go there, but you might want to get some more opinions on that one...
Good luck!
Troy Dunn
Hull #514
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 12:14 PM John Morrison <sail-a...@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
For the opening portlights on the cabintop use bed-it butyl tape from
compass marine.
For the dead lights on the cabin top you need to use a good adhesive
sealant that is compatible with your replacement material of choice
(polycarbonate or cast acrylic)
For the fixed portlights (on the hull) pretty sure butyl tape is the way to
go there, but you might want to get some more opinions on that one...
Good luck!
Troy Dunn
Hull #514
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 12:14 PM John Morrison <sail-a...@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
Ian Thomas
May 7, 2021, 1:38:09 PM5/7/21
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Hi,
Just done the opening portlights on my boat, Bed-It butyl tape from Compass
Marine worked well.
Ian Thomas
Scappare #831
Just done the opening portlights on my boat, Bed-It butyl tape from Compass
Marine worked well.
Ian Thomas
Scappare #831
Karl Krueger
May 7, 2021, 1:41:23 PM5/7/21
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I just replaced four port light hatches, the cabin ones the open.
I was extremely happy using butyl tape.
Karl Krueger
Kindred Spirit #282
Milwaukee WI
--
[image: CRS-Designation-Logo_Horizontal_Color (1)]
Karl W Krueger - ABR, CRS, GRI,
RE/MAX Realty 100
Phone - 414-322-6541
Fax - 414-327-6870
Have a smooth sailing day.................................
I was extremely happy using butyl tape.
Karl Krueger
Kindred Spirit #282
Milwaukee WI
[image: CRS-Designation-Logo_Horizontal_Color (1)]
Karl W Krueger - ABR, CRS, GRI,
RE/MAX Realty 100
Phone - 414-322-6541
Fax - 414-327-6870
Have a smooth sailing day.................................
Dave Hupe
May 7, 2021, 2:03:51 PM5/7/21
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If you are replacing the 4 long elongate stationary windows of the cabin, this sealant is what you should use (as recommended by Catalina) Dow Corning 795 Silicone Building Sealant - Black (Оne Расk): Silicone Adhesives: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific I replaced all 4 of my windows with it and it works beautifully (albeit it is messy and you need to plan it out).
For the other ports/hatches, butyl tape is likely the best way to go as several others have already recommended.
Dave Hupe
1994 C320 (#32)
For the other ports/hatches, butyl tape is likely the best way to go as several others have already recommended.
Dave Hupe
1994 C320 (#32)
Rene
May 7, 2021, 5:08:03 PM5/7/21
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Thanks everyone. That was very helpful. Any trips and tricks to the replacement? These are the portlights that open.
Thanks,
Rene'
#545
Little Wing
Thanks,
Rene'
#545
Little Wing
P.F. Ross
May 7, 2021, 5:57:40 PM5/7/21
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Rene,
Not sure if you are replacing the (opening) portlights with new, or simply
rebedding your existing portlights. In either case, I assume you are going
after leaks.
If you search for "leaking portlights" you will find much written on the
C320 archives. Seems like there a few areas that caused leaks in the "old"
style Lemary portlights including 1) the gasket or sealant in the joint
between the upper and lower aluminum frames, 2) the gasket that is captured
in the frame that seals against the plastic lens, 3) the orings that seal
the rotating locking dogs, 4) the bedding sealant between the frame and
cabin gelcoat, and 5) more that I forgot about.
Over the years, I tried fixes on all of these areas with mixed results.
However, I did see several success stories of others. I finally got fed up
and replaced all seven of my "old" portlights with the newer Lewmar design
that is much superior to the old as far as possible leak paths and latching
(e.g., https://www.defender.com/search.html?q=900365-1-WHI&x=0&y=0).
Expensive at about $200 each but I won't have to mess with them again.
Continuing on my quest for a leak-free boat,
Frank Ross
Beta Wave #206
Not sure if you are replacing the (opening) portlights with new, or simply
rebedding your existing portlights. In either case, I assume you are going
after leaks.
If you search for "leaking portlights" you will find much written on the
C320 archives. Seems like there a few areas that caused leaks in the "old"
style Lemary portlights including 1) the gasket or sealant in the joint
between the upper and lower aluminum frames, 2) the gasket that is captured
in the frame that seals against the plastic lens, 3) the orings that seal
the rotating locking dogs, 4) the bedding sealant between the frame and
cabin gelcoat, and 5) more that I forgot about.
Over the years, I tried fixes on all of these areas with mixed results.
However, I did see several success stories of others. I finally got fed up
and replaced all seven of my "old" portlights with the newer Lewmar design
that is much superior to the old as far as possible leak paths and latching
(e.g., https://www.defender.com/search.html?q=900365-1-WHI&x=0&y=0).
Expensive at about $200 each but I won't have to mess with them again.
Continuing on my quest for a leak-free boat,
Frank Ross
Beta Wave #206
Troy Dunn
May 8, 2021, 7:44:41 AM5/8/21
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This link will take you to a search result for all the threads on the
C320-List for opening portlights. It's definitely worth spending some time
reading through a few of these. I can't recall anyone turning these into
a great article. The readers digest version of many of these articles
would go like this... 1) Hey my opening portlights are leaking 2) Bunch of
suggestions on how to fix without replacing 3) Either success or failure
with recommended fixes 4) if failure...replace with new portlights
which turn out to be far superior and less likely to cause premature
arthritis from snugging down the dogs.
https://groups.google.com/g/c320-list/search?q=opening%20portlights
Assuming your original portlights have a butyl seal still, replacement is
as simple as removing the old portlight (use plastic scrapers to get under
the outside trim ring), removing the butyl tape (easy cleanup with mineral
spirits), clean up the gelcoat (perhaps a little rubbing compound and then
acetone), install new portlight with bed-it tape. Tons of articles out
there on using bed-it. (Rebedding Deck Hardware With Bed-It Butyl Tape -
Marine How To <https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/>) The key is to snug
down the bolts and then come back to it every few hours or so and then give
the bolts a final snug a few days later. Do not overtighten.
Cheers-
Troy
C320-List for opening portlights. It's definitely worth spending some time
reading through a few of these. I can't recall anyone turning these into
a great article. The readers digest version of many of these articles
would go like this... 1) Hey my opening portlights are leaking 2) Bunch of
suggestions on how to fix without replacing 3) Either success or failure
with recommended fixes 4) if failure...replace with new portlights
which turn out to be far superior and less likely to cause premature
arthritis from snugging down the dogs.
https://groups.google.com/g/c320-list/search?q=opening%20portlights
Assuming your original portlights have a butyl seal still, replacement is
as simple as removing the old portlight (use plastic scrapers to get under
the outside trim ring), removing the butyl tape (easy cleanup with mineral
spirits), clean up the gelcoat (perhaps a little rubbing compound and then
acetone), install new portlight with bed-it tape. Tons of articles out
there on using bed-it. (Rebedding Deck Hardware With Bed-It Butyl Tape -
Marine How To <https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/>) The key is to snug
down the bolts and then come back to it every few hours or so and then give
the bolts a final snug a few days later. Do not overtighten.
Cheers-
Troy
Doug Treff
May 11, 2021, 4:49:36 PM5/11/21
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Before you go ripping them out, try the following, assuming you have
the old-style portlights with gaps in the frame at 3 o'clock and 9
o'clock. I've given this same reply on other threads and you'll probably
find it in the link Troy provided:
I also made the repair using this method. I can say that without a
doubt it worked. Try this BEFORE you go replacing the O-ring (major
hassle) or any other parts and see if it solves your problem. If you
devote 1 entire day to making this repair, you could fix all of your
windows in one session. Get them all taped up first and then go around
with the caulk and do each one like an assembly line. I used the white
4200 and it looks factory. You can buy a cheap set of dental picks at
Harbor freight that will help you yank out the old gasket material.
Below is a link to a blog article from someone who owns a C-36 and
repaired his fixed ports the same way. These fixed ports (like the ones
we have on our C320's) also have the same joint in the frame, though
mine haven't leaked yet. The pictures are very useful and if you've
spent any amount of time studying your ports, you can see that the
repair process is very similar. When you do yours, do it with the window
open, and make sure to tape off the inside of the frame as well as the
mating surface where the window closes and the o-ring to prevent getting
any sealant where it doesn't belong. I highly recommend caulking the
inside as well as the outside. The inside frame is only held on with
Velcro and will come off easily with a little tug.
http://blog.taas.it/2013/05/for-catalina-36-ia-community.html
Good luck, and feel free to drop me a line if you have questions, as I
have done all of my windows this way even if they haven't leaked yet.
--
Doug Treff
do...@treff.us
1996 C-320 Hull #350 - September Song
the old-style portlights with gaps in the frame at 3 o'clock and 9
o'clock. I've given this same reply on other threads and you'll probably
find it in the link Troy provided:
I also made the repair using this method. I can say that without a
doubt it worked. Try this BEFORE you go replacing the O-ring (major
hassle) or any other parts and see if it solves your problem. If you
devote 1 entire day to making this repair, you could fix all of your
windows in one session. Get them all taped up first and then go around
with the caulk and do each one like an assembly line. I used the white
4200 and it looks factory. You can buy a cheap set of dental picks at
Harbor freight that will help you yank out the old gasket material.
Below is a link to a blog article from someone who owns a C-36 and
repaired his fixed ports the same way. These fixed ports (like the ones
we have on our C320's) also have the same joint in the frame, though
mine haven't leaked yet. The pictures are very useful and if you've
spent any amount of time studying your ports, you can see that the
repair process is very similar. When you do yours, do it with the window
open, and make sure to tape off the inside of the frame as well as the
mating surface where the window closes and the o-ring to prevent getting
any sealant where it doesn't belong. I highly recommend caulking the
inside as well as the outside. The inside frame is only held on with
Velcro and will come off easily with a little tug.
http://blog.taas.it/2013/05/for-catalina-36-ia-community.html
Good luck, and feel free to drop me a line if you have questions, as I
have done all of my windows this way even if they haven't leaked yet.
--
Doug Treff
do...@treff.us
1996 C-320 Hull #350 - September Song
wd...@aol.com
Mar 7, 2022, 6:18:52 AM3/7/22
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Shipmates-
In the process of replacing the four opening portlights in my 2000 C320 and cannot find "Bed-It" butyl tape recommended in previous postings. It appears the company has gone out of business. What is best alternative product?
Thanks,
Bill McConnellDiversion #714
In the process of replacing the four opening portlights in my 2000 C320 and cannot find "Bed-It" butyl tape recommended in previous postings. It appears the company has gone out of business. What is best alternative product?
Thanks,
Bill McConnellDiversion #714
Greg Arnold
Mar 7, 2022, 11:22:54 AM3/7/22
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A couple weeks ago I found it at Marine Outfitters in Canada, and I
bought a 50' roll.
However, at that time they only had a dozen rolls in stock, and looking
now at their site this product has disappeared.
Afraid I can't help you with the best alternative product.
On 3/7/2022 3:18 AM, [1]wd...@aol.com wrote:
Shipmates-
In the process of replacing the four opening portlights in my 2000 C320 and cann
ot find "Bed-It" butyl tape recommended in previous postings. It appears the com
pany has gone out of business. What is best alternative product?
Thanks,
Bill McConnellDiversion #714
-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Dunn [2]<troutw...@gmail.com>
To: [3]C320...@catalina320.com
Sent: Sat, May 8, 2021 7:44 am
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Port light replacement
This link will take you to a search result for all the threads on the
C320-List for opening portlights. It's definitely worth spending some time
reading through a few of these. I can't recall anyone turning these into
a great article. The readers digest version of many of these articles
would go like this... 1) Hey my opening portlights are leaking 2) Bunch of
suggestions on how to fix without replacing 3) Either success or failure
with recommended fixes 4) if failure...replace with new portlights
which turn out to be far superior and less likely to cause premature
arthritis from snugging down the dogs.
[4]https://groups.google.com/g/c320-list/search?q=opening%20portlights
Assuming your original portlights have a butyl seal still, replacement is
as simple as removing the old portlight (use plastic scrapers to get under
the outside trim ring), removing the butyl tape (easy cleanup with mineral
spirits), clean up the gelcoat (perhaps a little rubbing compound and then
acetone), install new portlight with bed-it tape. Tons of articles out
there on using bed-it. (Rebedding Deck Hardware With Bed-It Butyl Tape -
Marine How To [5]<https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/>) The key is to snug
wrote:
Which portlights? Fixed, opening, or "deadlights"? It matters...
For the opening portlights on the cabintop use bed-it butyl tape from
compass marine.
For the dead lights on the cabin top you need to use a good adhesive
sealant that is compatible with your replacement material of choice
(polycarbonate or cast acrylic) For the fixed portlights (on the hull)
pretty sure butyl tape is the way to go there, but you might want to
get some more opinions on that one...
Good luck!
Troy Dunn
Hull #514
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 12:14 PM John Morrison
[12]<sail-a...@sympatico.ca>
I like this tape best (I have tried others) because it is so
stretchy
and
sticky (almost too much so).
Regards,
Frank Ross
Beta Wave #206
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 9:33 AM Rene [15]<rthru...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Does anyone have any recommendations for a sealant to replace the
port lights?
Thanks,
Rene'
#545
Little Wing
--
[image: CRS-Designation-Logo_Horizontal_Color (1)]
Karl W Krueger - ABR, CRS, GRI,
RE/MAX Realty 100
Phone - 414-322-6541
Fax - 414-327-6870
Have a smooth sailing day.................................
References
1. mailto:wd...@aol.com
2. mailto:troutw...@gmail.com
3. mailto:C320...@catalina320.com
4. https://groups.google.com/g/c320-list/search?q=opening portlights
5. https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/
6. mailto:pfr...@gmail.com
7. https://www.defender.com/search.html?q=900365-1-WHI&x=0&y=0
8. mailto:rthru...@gmail.com
9. mailto:c320-lis...@lists.catalina320.com
10. mailto:C320...@catalina320.com
11. mailto:troutw...@gmail.com
12. mailto:sail-a...@sympatico.ca
13. mailto:pfr...@gmail.com
14. https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/
15. mailto:rthru...@gmail.com
bought a 50' roll.
However, at that time they only had a dozen rolls in stock, and looking
now at their site this product has disappeared.
Afraid I can't help you with the best alternative product.
On 3/7/2022 3:18 AM, [1]wd...@aol.com wrote:
Shipmates-
In the process of replacing the four opening portlights in my 2000 C320 and cann
ot find "Bed-It" butyl tape recommended in previous postings. It appears the com
pany has gone out of business. What is best alternative product?
Thanks,
Bill McConnellDiversion #714
-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Dunn [2]<troutw...@gmail.com>
To: [3]C320...@catalina320.com
Sent: Sat, May 8, 2021 7:44 am
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Port light replacement
This link will take you to a search result for all the threads on the
C320-List for opening portlights. It's definitely worth spending some time
reading through a few of these. I can't recall anyone turning these into
a great article. The readers digest version of many of these articles
would go like this... 1) Hey my opening portlights are leaking 2) Bunch of
suggestions on how to fix without replacing 3) Either success or failure
with recommended fixes 4) if failure...replace with new portlights
which turn out to be far superior and less likely to cause premature
arthritis from snugging down the dogs.
Assuming your original portlights have a butyl seal still, replacement is
as simple as removing the old portlight (use plastic scrapers to get under
the outside trim ring), removing the butyl tape (easy cleanup with mineral
spirits), clean up the gelcoat (perhaps a little rubbing compound and then
acetone), install new portlight with bed-it tape. Tons of articles out
there on using bed-it. (Rebedding Deck Hardware With Bed-It Butyl Tape -
down the bolts and then come back to it every few hours or so and then give
the bolts a final snug a few days later. Do not overtighten.
Cheers-
Troy
the bolts a final snug a few days later. Do not overtighten.
Cheers-
Troy
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 5:57 PM P.F. Ross [6]<pfr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Rene,
Not sure if you are replacing the (opening) portlights with new, or simply
rebedding your existing portlights. In either case, I assume you are going
after leaks.
If you search for "leaking portlights" you will find much written on the
C320 archives. Seems like there a few areas that caused leaks in the "old"
style Lemary portlights including 1) the gasket or sealant in the joint
between the upper and lower aluminum frames, 2) the gasket that is captured
in the frame that seals against the plastic lens, 3) the orings that seal
the rotating locking dogs, 4) the bedding sealant between the frame and
cabin gelcoat, and 5) more that I forgot about.
Over the years, I tried fixes on all of these areas with mixed results.
However, I did see several success stories of others. I finally got fed up
and replaced all seven of my "old" portlights with the newer Lewmar design
that is much superior to the old as far as possible leak paths and latching
(e.g., [7]https://www.defender.com/search.html?q=900365-1-WHI&x=0&y=0).
Rene,
Not sure if you are replacing the (opening) portlights with new, or simply
rebedding your existing portlights. In either case, I assume you are going
after leaks.
If you search for "leaking portlights" you will find much written on the
C320 archives. Seems like there a few areas that caused leaks in the "old"
style Lemary portlights including 1) the gasket or sealant in the joint
between the upper and lower aluminum frames, 2) the gasket that is captured
in the frame that seals against the plastic lens, 3) the orings that seal
the rotating locking dogs, 4) the bedding sealant between the frame and
cabin gelcoat, and 5) more that I forgot about.
Over the years, I tried fixes on all of these areas with mixed results.
However, I did see several success stories of others. I finally got fed up
and replaced all seven of my "old" portlights with the newer Lewmar design
that is much superior to the old as far as possible leak paths and latching
Expensive at about $200 each but I won't have to mess with them again.
Continuing on my quest for a leak-free boat,
Frank Ross
Beta Wave #206
Continuing on my quest for a leak-free boat,
Frank Ross
Beta Wave #206
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 4:08 PM Rene [8]<rthru...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks everyone. That was very helpful. Any trips and tricks to the
replacement? These are the portlights that open.
Thanks,
Rene'
#545
Little Wing
-----Original Message-----
From: C320-list [9]<c320-lis...@lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of
Karl Krueger
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 1:41 PM
To: [10]C320...@catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Port light replacement
I just replaced four port light hatches, the cabin ones the open.
I was extremely happy using butyl tape.
Karl Krueger
Kindred Spirit #282
Milwaukee WI
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 12:15 PM Troy Dunn [11]<troutw...@gmail.com>
Thanks everyone. That was very helpful. Any trips and tricks to the
replacement? These are the portlights that open.
Thanks,
Rene'
#545
Little Wing
-----Original Message-----
From: C320-list [9]<c320-lis...@lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of
Karl Krueger
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 1:41 PM
To: [10]C320...@catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Port light replacement
I just replaced four port light hatches, the cabin ones the open.
I was extremely happy using butyl tape.
Karl Krueger
Kindred Spirit #282
Milwaukee WI
wrote:
Which portlights? Fixed, opening, or "deadlights"? It matters...
For the opening portlights on the cabintop use bed-it butyl tape from
compass marine.
For the dead lights on the cabin top you need to use a good adhesive
sealant that is compatible with your replacement material of choice
(polycarbonate or cast acrylic) For the fixed portlights (on the hull)
pretty sure butyl tape is the way to go there, but you might want to
get some more opinions on that one...
Good luck!
Troy Dunn
Hull #514
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 12:14 PM John Morrison
wrote:
I have used 3M4200. Don’t use 5200 or they’ll never come off!!
JohnM
1999#574
Sent from my iPhone
I have used 3M4200. Don’t use 5200 or they’ll never come off!!
JohnM
1999#574
Sent from my iPhone
On May 7, 2021, at 11:08 AM, P.F. Ross [13]<pfr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Rene,
My guess is that you will get various opinions on this, but I used
"Bed
It"
butyl tape as found on Marinehowto.com
[14]https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/
Rene,
My guess is that you will get various opinions on this, but I used
"Bed
It"
butyl tape as found on Marinehowto.com
I like this tape best (I have tried others) because it is so
stretchy
and
sticky (almost too much so).
Regards,
Frank Ross
Beta Wave #206
wrote:
Does anyone have any recommendations for a sealant to replace the
port lights?
Thanks,
Rene'
#545
Little Wing
--
[image: CRS-Designation-Logo_Horizontal_Color (1)]
Karl W Krueger - ABR, CRS, GRI,
RE/MAX Realty 100
Phone - 414-322-6541
Fax - 414-327-6870
Have a smooth sailing day.................................
1. mailto:wd...@aol.com
2. mailto:troutw...@gmail.com
3. mailto:C320...@catalina320.com
4. https://groups.google.com/g/c320-list/search?q=opening portlights
5. https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/
6. mailto:pfr...@gmail.com
7. https://www.defender.com/search.html?q=900365-1-WHI&x=0&y=0
8. mailto:rthru...@gmail.com
9. mailto:c320-lis...@lists.catalina320.com
10. mailto:C320...@catalina320.com
11. mailto:troutw...@gmail.com
12. mailto:sail-a...@sympatico.ca
13. mailto:pfr...@gmail.com
14. https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/
15. mailto:rthru...@gmail.com
Dave Hupe
Mar 7, 2022, 11:31:38 AM3/7/22
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Same issue for me trying to locate Bed-It tape, so I bought this $13 roll (1 inch x 30 feet) from Sailrite https://www.sailrite.com/search?keywords=butyl%20tape
I haven't used it but the reviews are good. Time will tell when I use it to rebed my genoa track as soon as weather permits here in MIchigan.
Dave Hupe
1994 C320 #32
Holland, MI
I haven't used it but the reviews are good. Time will tell when I use it to rebed my genoa track as soon as weather permits here in MIchigan.
Dave Hupe
1994 C320 #32
Holland, MI
Joe Luciano
Mar 7, 2022, 11:31:47 AM3/7/22
to C320...@catalina320.com
Defender sells Butyl tape in 20’ rolls for $25.99. It looks like they have some in stock….
Joe Luciano
#1044
> On Mar 7, 2022, at 8:22 AM, Greg Arnold <1gregor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A couple weeks ago I found it at Marine Outfitters in Canada, and I
> bought a 50' roll.
> However, at that time they only had a dozen rolls in stock, and looking
> now at their site this product has disappeared.
> Afraid I can't help you with the best alternative product.
>
>
> [14]https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/ <https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/>
> 2. mailto:troutw...@gmail.com <mailto:troutw...@gmail.com>
> 3. mailto:C320...@catalina320.com <mailto:C320...@catalina320.com>
> 4. https://groups.google.com/g/c320-list/search?q=opening <https://groups.google.com/g/c320-list/search?q=opening> portlights
> 5. https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/ <https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/>
> 6. mailto:pfr...@gmail.com <mailto:pfr...@gmail.com>
> 7. https://www.defender.com/search.html?q=900365-1-WHI&x=0&y=0 <https://www.defender.com/search.html?q=900365-1-WHI&x=0&y=0>
> 8. mailto:rthru...@gmail.com <mailto:rthru...@gmail.com>
> 9. mailto:c320-lis...@lists.catalina320.com <mailto:c320-lis...@lists.catalina320.com>
> 10. mailto:C320...@catalina320.com <mailto:C320...@catalina320.com>
> 11. mailto:troutw...@gmail.com <mailto:troutw...@gmail.com>
> 12. mailto:sail-a...@sympatico.ca <mailto:sail-a...@sympatico.ca>
> 13. mailto:pfr...@gmail.com <mailto:pfr...@gmail.com>
> 14. https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/ <https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/>
> 15. mailto:rthru...@gmail.com <mailto:rthru...@gmail.com>
Joe Luciano
#1044
> On Mar 7, 2022, at 8:22 AM, Greg Arnold <1gregor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A couple weeks ago I found it at Marine Outfitters in Canada, and I
> bought a 50' roll.
> However, at that time they only had a dozen rolls in stock, and looking
> now at their site this product has disappeared.
> Afraid I can't help you with the best alternative product.
>
> On 3/7/2022 3:18 AM, [1]wd...@aol.com <mailto:wd...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Shipmates-
> In the process of replacing the four opening portlights in my 2000 C320 and cann
> ot find "Bed-It" butyl tape recommended in previous postings. It appears the com
> pany has gone out of business. What is best alternative product?
> Thanks,
> Bill McConnellDiversion #714
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy Dunn [2]<troutw...@gmail.com <mailto:troutw...@gmail.com>>
> To: [3]C320...@catalina320.com <mailto:C320...@catalina320.com>
> Sent: Sat, May 8, 2021 7:44 am
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Port light replacement
>
> This link will take you to a search result for all the threads on the
> C320-List for opening portlights. It's definitely worth spending some time
> reading through a few of these. I can't recall anyone turning these into
> a great article. The readers digest version of many of these articles
> would go like this... 1) Hey my opening portlights are leaking 2) Bunch of
> suggestions on how to fix without replacing 3) Either success or failure
> with recommended fixes 4) if failure...replace with new portlights
> which turn out to be far superior and less likely to cause premature
> arthritis from snugging down the dogs.
>
> [4]https://groups.google.com/g/c320-list/search?q=opening%20portlights <https://groups.google.com/g/c320-list/search?q=opening%20portlights>
>
> Shipmates-
> In the process of replacing the four opening portlights in my 2000 C320 and cann
> ot find "Bed-It" butyl tape recommended in previous postings. It appears the com
> pany has gone out of business. What is best alternative product?
> Thanks,
> Bill McConnellDiversion #714
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy Dunn [2]<troutw...@gmail.com <mailto:troutw...@gmail.com>>
> To: [3]C320...@catalina320.com <mailto:C320...@catalina320.com>
> Sent: Sat, May 8, 2021 7:44 am
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Port light replacement
>
> This link will take you to a search result for all the threads on the
> C320-List for opening portlights. It's definitely worth spending some time
> reading through a few of these. I can't recall anyone turning these into
> a great article. The readers digest version of many of these articles
> would go like this... 1) Hey my opening portlights are leaking 2) Bunch of
> suggestions on how to fix without replacing 3) Either success or failure
> with recommended fixes 4) if failure...replace with new portlights
> which turn out to be far superior and less likely to cause premature
> arthritis from snugging down the dogs.
>
>
> Assuming your original portlights have a butyl seal still, replacement is
> as simple as removing the old portlight (use plastic scrapers to get under
> the outside trim ring), removing the butyl tape (easy cleanup with mineral
> spirits), clean up the gelcoat (perhaps a little rubbing compound and then
> acetone), install new portlight with bed-it tape. Tons of articles out
> there on using bed-it. (Rebedding Deck Hardware With Bed-It Butyl Tape -
> Marine How To [5]<https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/ <https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/>>) The key is to snug
> Assuming your original portlights have a butyl seal still, replacement is
> as simple as removing the old portlight (use plastic scrapers to get under
> the outside trim ring), removing the butyl tape (easy cleanup with mineral
> spirits), clean up the gelcoat (perhaps a little rubbing compound and then
> acetone), install new portlight with bed-it tape. Tons of articles out
> there on using bed-it. (Rebedding Deck Hardware With Bed-It Butyl Tape -
> down the bolts and then come back to it every few hours or so and then give
> the bolts a final snug a few days later. Do not overtighten.
>
>
> Cheers-
>
> Troy
>
> the bolts a final snug a few days later. Do not overtighten.
>
>
> Cheers-
>
> Troy
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 5:57 PM P.F. Ross [6]<pfr...@gmail.com <mailto:pfr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Rene,
>
> Not sure if you are replacing the (opening) portlights with new, or simply
> rebedding your existing portlights. In either case, I assume you are going
> after leaks.
>
> If you search for "leaking portlights" you will find much written on the
> C320 archives. Seems like there a few areas that caused leaks in the "old"
> style Lemary portlights including 1) the gasket or sealant in the joint
> between the upper and lower aluminum frames, 2) the gasket that is captured
> in the frame that seals against the plastic lens, 3) the orings that seal
> the rotating locking dogs, 4) the bedding sealant between the frame and
> cabin gelcoat, and 5) more that I forgot about.
>
> Over the years, I tried fixes on all of these areas with mixed results.
> However, I did see several success stories of others. I finally got fed up
> and replaced all seven of my "old" portlights with the newer Lewmar design
> that is much superior to the old as far as possible leak paths and latching
> (e.g., [7]https://www.defender.com/search.html?q=900365-1-WHI&x=0&y=0 <https://www.defender.com/search.html?q=900365-1-WHI&x=0&y=0>).
>
>
> Rene,
>
> Not sure if you are replacing the (opening) portlights with new, or simply
> rebedding your existing portlights. In either case, I assume you are going
> after leaks.
>
> If you search for "leaking portlights" you will find much written on the
> C320 archives. Seems like there a few areas that caused leaks in the "old"
> style Lemary portlights including 1) the gasket or sealant in the joint
> between the upper and lower aluminum frames, 2) the gasket that is captured
> in the frame that seals against the plastic lens, 3) the orings that seal
> the rotating locking dogs, 4) the bedding sealant between the frame and
> cabin gelcoat, and 5) more that I forgot about.
>
> Over the years, I tried fixes on all of these areas with mixed results.
> However, I did see several success stories of others. I finally got fed up
> and replaced all seven of my "old" portlights with the newer Lewmar design
> that is much superior to the old as far as possible leak paths and latching
> Expensive at about $200 each but I won't have to mess with them again.
>
> Continuing on my quest for a leak-free boat,
>
> Frank Ross
> Beta Wave #206
>
>
> Continuing on my quest for a leak-free boat,
>
> Frank Ross
> Beta Wave #206
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 4:08 PM Rene [8]<rthru...@gmail.com <mailto:rthru...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks everyone. That was very helpful. Any trips and tricks to the
> replacement? These are the portlights that open.
>
> Thanks,
> Rene'
> #545
> Little Wing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-list [9]<c320-lis...@lists.catalina320.com <mailto:c320-lis...@lists.catalina320.com>> On Behalf Of
> Karl Krueger
> Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 1:41 PM
> To: [10]C320...@catalina320.com <mailto:C320...@catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Port light replacement
>
> I just replaced four port light hatches, the cabin ones the open.
>
> I was extremely happy using butyl tape.
>
> Karl Krueger
> Kindred Spirit #282
> Milwaukee WI
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 12:15 PM Troy Dunn [11]<troutw...@gmail.com <mailto:troutw...@gmail.com>>
>
>
> Thanks everyone. That was very helpful. Any trips and tricks to the
> replacement? These are the portlights that open.
>
> Thanks,
> Rene'
> #545
> Little Wing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-list [9]<c320-lis...@lists.catalina320.com <mailto:c320-lis...@lists.catalina320.com>> On Behalf Of
> Karl Krueger
> Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 1:41 PM
> To: [10]C320...@catalina320.com <mailto:C320...@catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Port light replacement
>
> I just replaced four port light hatches, the cabin ones the open.
>
> I was extremely happy using butyl tape.
>
> Karl Krueger
> Kindred Spirit #282
> Milwaukee WI
>
>
> wrote:
>
>
> Which portlights? Fixed, opening, or "deadlights"? It matters...
>
> For the opening portlights on the cabintop use bed-it butyl tape from
> compass marine.
> For the dead lights on the cabin top you need to use a good adhesive
> sealant that is compatible with your replacement material of choice
> (polycarbonate or cast acrylic) For the fixed portlights (on the hull)
> pretty sure butyl tape is the way to go there, but you might want to
> get some more opinions on that one...
>
> Good luck!
> Troy Dunn
> Hull #514
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 12:14 PM John Morrison
> [12]<sail-a...@sympatico.ca <mailto:sail-a...@sympatico.ca>>
> wrote:
>
>
> Which portlights? Fixed, opening, or "deadlights"? It matters...
>
> For the opening portlights on the cabintop use bed-it butyl tape from
> compass marine.
> For the dead lights on the cabin top you need to use a good adhesive
> sealant that is compatible with your replacement material of choice
> (polycarbonate or cast acrylic) For the fixed portlights (on the hull)
> pretty sure butyl tape is the way to go there, but you might want to
> get some more opinions on that one...
>
> Good luck!
> Troy Dunn
> Hull #514
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 12:14 PM John Morrison
> wrote:
>
>
> I have used 3M4200. Don’t use 5200 or they’ll never come off!!
> JohnM
> 1999#574
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 7, 2021, at 11:08 AM, P.F. Ross [13]<pfr...@gmail.com <mailto:pfr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Rene,
>
> My guess is that you will get various opinions on this, but I used
> "Bed
>
> It"
>
> butyl tape as found on Marinehowto.com <http://marinehowto.com/>
>
>
> I have used 3M4200. Don’t use 5200 or they’ll never come off!!
> JohnM
> 1999#574
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 7, 2021, at 11:08 AM, P.F. Ross [13]<pfr...@gmail.com <mailto:pfr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Rene,
>
> My guess is that you will get various opinions on this, but I used
> "Bed
>
> It"
>
>
> [14]https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/ <https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/>
>
> I like this tape best (I have tried others) because it is so
> stretchy
>
> and
>
> sticky (almost too much so).
>
> Regards,
>
> Frank Ross
> Beta Wave #206
>
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 9:33 AM Rene [15]<rthru...@gmail.com <mailto:rthru...@gmail.com>>
> I like this tape best (I have tried others) because it is so
> stretchy
>
> and
>
> sticky (almost too much so).
>
> Regards,
>
> Frank Ross
> Beta Wave #206
>
>
>
> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations for a sealant to replace the
> port lights?
> Thanks,
> Rene'
> #545
> Little Wing
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> [image: CRS-Designation-Logo_Horizontal_Color (1)]
>
>
> Karl W Krueger - ABR, CRS, GRI,
> RE/MAX Realty 100
> Phone - 414-322-6541
> Fax - 414-327-6870
>
> Have a smooth sailing day.................................
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:wd...@aol.com <mailto:wd...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations for a sealant to replace the
> port lights?
> Thanks,
> Rene'
> #545
> Little Wing
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> [image: CRS-Designation-Logo_Horizontal_Color (1)]
>
>
> Karl W Krueger - ABR, CRS, GRI,
> RE/MAX Realty 100
> Phone - 414-322-6541
> Fax - 414-327-6870
>
> Have a smooth sailing day.................................
>
> References
>
> 2. mailto:troutw...@gmail.com <mailto:troutw...@gmail.com>
> 3. mailto:C320...@catalina320.com <mailto:C320...@catalina320.com>
> 4. https://groups.google.com/g/c320-list/search?q=opening <https://groups.google.com/g/c320-list/search?q=opening> portlights
> 5. https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/ <https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/>
> 6. mailto:pfr...@gmail.com <mailto:pfr...@gmail.com>
> 7. https://www.defender.com/search.html?q=900365-1-WHI&x=0&y=0 <https://www.defender.com/search.html?q=900365-1-WHI&x=0&y=0>
> 8. mailto:rthru...@gmail.com <mailto:rthru...@gmail.com>
> 9. mailto:c320-lis...@lists.catalina320.com <mailto:c320-lis...@lists.catalina320.com>
> 10. mailto:C320...@catalina320.com <mailto:C320...@catalina320.com>
> 11. mailto:troutw...@gmail.com <mailto:troutw...@gmail.com>
> 12. mailto:sail-a...@sympatico.ca <mailto:sail-a...@sympatico.ca>
> 13. mailto:pfr...@gmail.com <mailto:pfr...@gmail.com>
> 14. https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/ <https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/>
> 15. mailto:rthru...@gmail.com <mailto:rthru...@gmail.com>
P.F. Ross
Mar 7, 2022, 11:46:45 AM3/7/22
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Sad to say that the Marinehowto dot com website (original source of Bed-it
tape) is on hold for the time being due to sudden medical issues with the
owner Rod Collins (RC). You can read details on their homepage.
RC was very free with his considerable marine knowledge as shown on his
website as well as his many postings on a variety of boating forums. He
was a huge help to me (along with many others on this C320 forum) when I
made considerable upgrades to my electrical system a few years back.
I certainly wish RC well!
Frank Ross
Beta Wave #206
tape) is on hold for the time being due to sudden medical issues with the
owner Rod Collins (RC). You can read details on their homepage.
RC was very free with his considerable marine knowledge as shown on his
website as well as his many postings on a variety of boating forums. He
was a huge help to me (along with many others on this C320 forum) when I
made considerable upgrades to my electrical system a few years back.
I certainly wish RC well!
Frank Ross
Beta Wave #206
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