A new dawn

[Madhav Deshpande]

A new dawn has arrived

रात्रिर्गमिष्यति भविष्यति सुप्रभातं

भास्वानुदेष्यति हसिष्यति पङ्कजश्री: ।

इत्थं विचिन्तयति मे मनसि प्रसन्नं

नूत्नं दिनं समुदितं कमलालयेऽस्मिन् ।।

“This night will go and there will be a good morning. The sun will rise and the lotuses will bloom.” While my mind was wondering like this, a happy new day has arrived in this abode of Kamala.”

Madhav M. Deshpande

Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics

University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste

न्यायालयं गमिष्यामि निर्वाचनेऽहमेव हि ।

जेतेति वदति ट्रम्पस्तस्य नास्त्यत्र संशयः  ॥

I will go to Court because I only have won this election says Trump. He has no doubt in this.

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-Venkatesh

[Madhav Deshpande]

न्यायालये पितृव्या: षट् मदीया: पक्षपातिन: ।

करिष्यन्ति ममैवेष्टमिति ट्रम्पोऽभिमन्यते ।।

Trump strongly believes that he has six uncles among the nine judges of the US Supreme Court who will do his bidding.

Madhav M. Deshpande

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Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

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[ajit.gargeshwari]

I appreciate your poetry and versification. Does US Politics matter to people in India not much. I am not personally interested in any politics. US stand on Indian issues will remain the same irrespective of who the President is. George W. Bush and Barack Obama, the United States has demonstrated accommodation to India's core national interests and acknowledged outstanding concerns. You may say Joe Biden won but the race  You cannot dismiss  7,08,12,803 or 47% of popular vote that's in favor of the current President.  Are you Versifying as a person who has affiliation to a political party or a US citizen who knows Sanskrit

Regards

Ajit Gargeshwari

[Madhav Deshpande]

Dear Ajit Ji,

     Having voted in the US election, I am writing as a US citizen who writes Sanskrit poetry.  What I am writing is pure political comedy, as far as I see it, and I thought some on this list would like to read these comic verses.  Please let me know if this either offends some or is of no interest to anyone on this list.  I will be happy to stop sharing these verses on this list.  With best regards,

Madhav Deshpande

[Patanjali Veenakar]

Sir,

Please continue posting your poetry. Verily we are enjoying it.

काव्यशास्त्रविनोदेन कालो गच्छति धीमताम् .......

🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

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[Ajit Gargeshwari]

Please Continue to write and Post My mail was not intended for you to stop writing or posting. apologies if it has conveyed such a message.

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari

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अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

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[Madhav Deshpande]

Thank you, Ajit Ji.  

Madhav M. Deshpande

Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics

University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

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[Shashi Joshi]

Please do continue posting.

US election is an important world event, specially the last one and this one.

Sanskrit is being kept alive with modern topics, I think this is a good think. Though differences in opinion can cause heated arguments etc, but that is irrespective of the language used, but more on the language (expression) used.

Thanks,
Shashi

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[Madhav Deshpande]

Thank you, Joshi Ji.

Madhav M. Deshpande

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[Rajshekar Krishnan]

Dear Prof. Deshpande,

I believe your poetry ( political as well as Krishna's) represents the living tradition of Sanskrit poetry as well as its relevance to modern issues. Please do continue to charm us with your amazing ability .

Warm regards

Rajshekar  

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[Madhav Deshpande]

Thank you, Sir.

Madhav M. Deshpande

Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics

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[Achyut Karve]

The spectacle of the US Election in terms of the Mahabharata.

Is Trump not playing Duryodhan's card (The victims role)   One needs to identify the others too.  There are many Bhimshmas's, Shakuni's, Arjuns, etc. out there but will we find Krishna there?  No, wonder Lokmanya Tilak in his Geetarahasya wrote that the Mahabharata is the only tale of victory; all the rest are that of tragedy.  That is possibly what is in store for American politics. 

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[yogini vyas]

Respected Madhav Sir,

Pranam.

Honestly speaking,your Sanskrit verses with nice translation in English, impart enthusiasm and spirit. We all are extremely thankful to you.

Regards,

Yogini Vyas

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[Gudsoorkar A G]

Thank you for your honest enquiry Prof Deshpande.

Some may be interested; some may not be.  Let us think: Can this be an issue for BVP?

-Ashok G.

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[Venkatakrishna Sastry]

Namaste

 

Prof. Deshpandes creative composiitons  in two streams- one covering devotion (bhakti-kaavya)  and one a ' pure political comedy ( per his description)' are  both relevant and important for BVP  team.

 

I think that the 'Samskrut Creative literature of Contemporary style is important for BVP  team to take note of'.  If Bharata proposed 'dasharupakas' ( and evolving to  many upa-rupakas), and Samskruth Sahrudayas have enjoyed them, why is there a reservation or hesitation now ?!   What is the need  for  invoking a  victorian sense invoked ?? or puritan colonial conservatism ??   

 

 

  We live and enjoy in PRESENT (vartamana - kaala-desha -parisara), even though we believe to be using a langauge of God's/ classica/ histoical/ spiritual/ religious- archaic !

   Literature lives in contemporary society without constraint of nation and boundaries.

 

Imitating a well known  composiiton, here is my own composiiton :  (समाज =   Human Cultured society     समज =  Asembly of Sheep)

 

छन्दोबद्धः जनोदन्तः समाजे समजान्वितम् ।    लोकवार्ता-दर्शनोत्थः श्लोको भवतु नान्यथा ॥ 

 

Let this  expression of mine end up as a parody-poetry; and nothing beyond that;  the words  ,

        aroused in  me by watching  of  the social events, 

                      the expression emerging as an outpour naturally set to a rhythmic pattern,    

                                       the theme covering the worldly news,  

                                               addressed to   the   people-events in society where people are  behaving like   good-shepards (=managers of  a flock of sheep),

 

 

Regards

BVK Sastry

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[Madhav Deshpande]

Dear BVK Sastry Ji,

     Thank you for your support.  Your verse is welcome.  Kṣemendra and Nīlakaṇṭha Dīkṣita were expressing their reactions to the society as they saw around them through Viḍambanas.  With best regards,

Madhav M. Deshpande

Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics

University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]

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[Megh Kalyanasundaram]

I am not sure verses might help India protect her interests in dealing with these weapons. 

https://twitter.com/WIONews/status/1428777496431022083?s=20

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[Megh Kalyanasundaram]

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/08/20/taliban-weapons-afghanistan-tsr-todd-pkg-vpx.cnn

[Madhav Deshpande]

You are correct, Megh Ji. No Sanskrit poetry helps defend India against its enemies. Not mine, and not those of Vālmīki or Kālidāsa. No Vākyārtha Sabhā can do this. So I don't know what the point of your comment is. Hope you know what it is. With best regards,

Madhav M. Deshpande

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[Megh Kalyanasundaram]

Namaste Madhav ji, 

The point was limited to what you said was "correct". 

Best,

Megh

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[Shankar Rajaraman]

Such verses may not help defend India against its enemies but they add up to the idea of what is worthwhile defending, and that is why they are motivating.

Regards

Shankar Rajaraman

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[Madhav Deshpande]

Thank you, Shankar Ji. 

Madhav M. Deshpande

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[Megh Kalyanasundaram]

Namaste Shankar ji, 

Verses truly about, or that add to, only ideas that are worth defending would indeed be motivating, at least for me! 🙏

Best,

Megh

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[उज्ज्वल राजपूत]

Such verses may not help defend India against its enemies but they add up to the idea of what is worthwhile defending, and that is why they are motivating.

स॒त्यम्। अथ॒ वाल्मी॑केः का॒व्याये॒दं मे॑ वक्त॒व्य॑म्। तत् का॒व्यम् अ॒स्माक॑म् आ॒त्मनो॑ भा॒गः। यद् अ॒स्मासु॑ ब॒हवो॒ऽ॒द्याप्यब्रा॑ह्मा॒ न कृ॒ता इति॒ तत्रापि॒ तत् का॒व्यं हे॒तूना॒म् एक॑तमः। यच्च॑ व॒यम् अ॒द्यास्माकं॒ बन्धु॒भ्योऽप॑त्रस्ता॒ द्रव॑न्तः पत॒त्रिभ्यो॒ रथे॑भ्यो॒ न पद्या॑महे। किञ्च॒ यो मा॑धवमहोद॒यैः प्राक् स्तु॒त इ॒दानीं॒ किञ्चि॒द् अवि॑चारितम् आ॒चर॒त् तत्रा॒स्माकंं॑ सम्मान॒नीया॑नां कविमहोद॒यानां॒ न दोषः॑।

True indeed. With respect to the poetry by Vālmiki, I should say that it is a part of what we are. It is one of the reasons why many of us are still not Muslims or Christians today and that trying to flee from some of our own kin, we are not flying down from airplanes. But, Megh ji, its not the fault of the poet if the praised one later goes on to do something not so well-thought-out.

[उज्ज्वल राजपूत]

*falling off airplanes

शनिवार, 21 अगस्त 2021 को 10:23:33 am UTC+5:30 बजे उज्ज्वल राजपूत ने लिखा:

[Megh Kalyanasundaram]

Dr Deshpande had written in this forum on Oct 14th 2020: "More worried about the US elections and their outcomes for those of us living here in the US." {https://groups.google.com/g/bvparishat/c/epglL68soB8/m/202IXvDwAQAJ for context}. 

If writing the above is fine (which, in my view, it is),  I am guessing it might be well within the respectful boundaries of, amongst other things, freedom of expression for some Indians (such as myself) — particularly those living in India — to be worried about "...US elections and their outcomes for those of us living here..." in India, when decisions taken by the leader chosen by such an election may have some consequences for some Indians in India. 

Indeed some might be aware of some of the continuities in policy but that is precisely why 'A New Dawn,' which stayed with me since I first read it, came to my mind.  

Best,

Megh

I had written, in the same thread, the following: "An election in America is, frankly, and speaking as an Indian citizen, none of my business (generally speaking), other than when it begins to affect 1) the interests of my nation (including but not limited to its legitimate territorial sovereignty) and hence mine 2) global peaceful non-interfering co-existence (more generally speaking) [not listing all reasons here]." https://groups.google.com/g/bvparishat/c/epglL68soB8/m/puGjUfF3CwAJ

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[Madhav Deshpande]

How any of this connects to my Krishna verses is beyond my comprehension. But this list has a tendency to drag me into unrelated disputes from time to time.

Madhav M. Deshpande

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[Megh Kalyanasundaram]

I am not at all sure which post in this thread points to Dr Deshpande's "Krishna verses". 

Insofar as I have seen, and unless I have missed something, the Krishna verses from Dr Deshpande normally commence with "Continuing my Krishna verses". I did not see that in the post titled 'A new dawn' that is at the top of the thread to which this post belongs and which is part of the context for at least my posts in this thread. 

Megh

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[Madhav Deshpande]

I don't believe any of my verses were posted to this thread. It was Yogini Ji's comment about my verses that appeared in this thread, and then for some reason all this unnecessary barrage broke out. I hope we put an end to this.

Madhav M. Deshpande

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[Megh Kalyanasundaram]

I include below the link of the post (and a screenshot of portions of that post) that I see as the commencement of this thread: 

https://groups.google.com/g/bvparishat/c/wDlPYRQXh0M/m/lAqTahzIAQAJ

Megh

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[Madhav Deshpande]

I see which verse you are referring to. Yes, for Indian Americans like me, the election of Biden was a new dawn, compared to the hell of the Trump era, but every dawn brings a new day, for better or worse. I am not contesting anyone else's right to express any view that they may hold about Biden, America or anything else for that matter. Best wishes,

Madhav M. Deshpande

Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics

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Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India

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[L Srinivas]

> they add up to the idea of what is worthwhile defending, and that is why they are motivating

Very nicely conveyed.

I, for one, find Sanskrit verses in general rather elevating. Prof Deshpande's verses are also usually rather elevating. Sometimes, he tries a stab at humor, irony and related sentiments,. Perhaps he does it for variety. This too is very nice.

Since Prof Deshpande writes a verse or two every day, it has become my habit to look to his posts for my daily Sanskrit. I hope he continues as he has been without let or hindrance.

With best wishes to Prof Deshpande and all who enjoy Sanskrit poetry,

Srini

[Megh Kalyanasundaram]

Glad you now have seen the verse (and the context) I was referring to, Dr Deshpande. Thank you for acknowledging it. 

Unless something else comes up, I have nothing more to add in this regard. 

Best,

Megh

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[विश्वासो वासुकेयः]

यथोक्तम् https://groups.google.com/g/bvparishat/c/G2fY6KJL04w/m/4XWUOajMAAAJ इत्यत्र -

कमलानिचये क्वास्ति

तुलस्याश्च निवर्तने।

विवेको म्लेच्छलोकस्य

तद्दासानां च तत्त्वतः॥

[Megh Kalyanasundaram]

https://www.wionews.com/india-news/hizbul-mujahideens-chief-syed-salahuddin-seeks-support-from-taliban-to-attack-india-407272

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[विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)]

While people might think that US is incompetent - it is not. Everything is going according to plan (laid a long time ago, with the systematic dismantling of the real afghAn army - https://www.brownpundits.com/2021/08/15/americas-brilliant-strategy-in-afghanistan/  ). And the president in charge does not really matter (unless it was someone like Tulsi, who was promptly dispatched to obscurity).

Vis a vis India, https://threader.app/thread/1430184519345184772 lays it out quite well - 

"India is too big to exist, too unreliable to be an ally - a colonial society rapidly trying to indigenise. A billion plus people not just passively consuming western goods but also trying to compete with the West is a terrifying idea. 4/n.A semi-colonial barely functional Nehruvian behemoth is borderline acceptable; atmanirbhar Bharat with a distinctive civilisational is certainly not. The long term goal is balkanisation. Russia, China, India need to be needled, the best possible way is unrest on their borders."

This clear strategy (and the rather convincing drama) should only evoke our admiration. The distressing part should be lack of clarity on our end, and our relative lack of influence in USA (with most US hindus being "tools" in contrast with US jews).

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[Srinivasakrishnan ln]

Seems like Indian Hindus have been given a clean chit in contrast to US Hindus. Many who dislike or hate Hinduism, including ultra-left Hindus,  in India need to considered by you, among others. Last but not the least, what about the ultra right young Turks who think Sanskrit is their mother tongue and hate their own mother tongues? 

Thanks, 

Srini

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[विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)]

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 9:40 PM Srinivasakrishnan ln <lns2...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Last but not the least, what about the ultra right young Turks who think Sanskrit is their mother tongue and hate their own mother tongues? 

LOL. If one were to think on the lines (red herrings galore!) you suggest, one would be so mired in garbage as to not attain anything worthwhile.

 

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[Balasubramanian Ramakrishnan]

This is such a small subset and politically irrelevant. The people pointed out by Viswas-ji matter. The US people, especially from largely bogus fields of study such as International relations, a not insignificant part of "south Asian" studies, political "science", etc., wield disproportionate influence by their stranglehold on newspapers, op-eds, tee-vee, etc.

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[Srinivasakrishnan ln]

Thanks for the candor !!

Srini

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[Raja Roy]

I think sometimes we think too much and come up with all kinds of theories. To me it seems clear that the USA has lost the war and it was decided the day USA made Pakistan an ally in this war. There is no grand plan behind it, just backstabbing by Pakistan is enough reason for this ignominious defeat.

Raja

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