Venkata Sriram
gobind medini
IMO, cow worship is a cultural feature and not religious dogma... (to my knowledge, we can find cow-bull sacrifices and rituals about eating their meat.. particularly in bRRihadAraNyaka (6.4.18) bull meat is recommended for the birth of a son who would become a Vedic scholar!). This is the possible reason for including it the state constitution. Had it been a religious dogma Ambedkar would not have approved it as a part of the constitution. Prohibition of cow slaughter is a Directive Principles of State Policy contained in Article 48 of the Indian Constitution.
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Nagaraj Paturi
Nagaraj Paturi
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The Kerala high court also reportedly expressed surprise at the Madras High Court's stay order on the Centre's notification. "If people had read the notification properly, there would not have been protests", the court reportedly said.
Lata Shenava
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P.V. NARAYANAN
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Dr. P.V. Narayanan
Department of Sanskrit Sahitya
Sree Sankaracharya University of Sanskrit, Kalady
Keralam.
P.V. NARAYANAN
V Subrahmanian
Veeranarayana Pandurangi
We should write a condemnation letter to VC of sssu and issue a statement to media on behalf of bvparishat. I request Prof paturi to draft and issue. I hope everyone agrees.
Nityanand Misra
On Monday, 5 June 2017 10:16:26 UTC+8, Veeranarayana Pandurangi wrote:
We should write a condemnation letter to VC of sssu and issue a statement to media on behalf of bvparishat. I request Prof paturi to draft and issue. I hope everyone agrees.
Nagaraj Paturi
Since
Dr. P.V. Narayanan
Department of Sanskrit Sahitya
Sree Sankaracharya University of Sanskrit, Kalady
Keralam.
is
insider, he must have shared a first hand observation of the event reported in the media.
I suggest to him to check the font type used by him.
In the subsequent post of him, some English letters * please read it; (backbone) instead of 'backborn'...
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प्रथमं तावदिदमवधेयं यत् कालटि श्रीशङ्कराचार्य संस्कृतविश्चविद्यालयस्य शृङ्गेरिमठेन सह न कोऽपि सम्बन्धो वर्तते। नापि चास्य प्रारम्भाय पश्चात् प्रचालनाय वा मठात्तस्मात् एकस्यापि रूप्यकस्य साहाय्यं स्वीकृतम्। विश्चविद्यालयस्य समारम्भावसरे धनदानार्थं मठस्य सज्जता विज्ञापिता आसीत्। ‘मठेन धनं दीयते चेत् विश्वविद्यालयस्य अधिकारिषु विशिष्टं किमपि स्थानं (Supreme Dean) मठाधिपतये परिकल्पनीयम्’, इति मठस्य पक्षतः कस्मिंश्चिन्निर्देशो जाते केरलसर्वकारेण (तत्कालिकेन काङ्ग्रेस्दलेन नीयमानेन सर्वकारेण!) धनेन समं स निर्देशोऽपि निराकृत इति ख्यात एव वृत्तान्तः। ततः परस्मिन्नपि काले सङ्घपरिवारीयाणि कानिचन दलानि स्वीयैः नैकैरसत्यवादैः सार्धम् इदमप्यलीकं प्रचारयन्ति वर्तन्ते। तदेतदेवाधुना सर्वविद्याविचक्षणाः केचिदु द्घोषयन्ति।
अन्यच्चेदं वहुभिर्बहुधोदितमपि वक्तव्यमस्ति- व्यतीतेषु युगेषु अस्माकं समाजे गौः कथं पश्वन्तरेभ्यो महत्त्वमुपागाद् इति वस्तुनिष्ठया दृष्ट्या विचार्यते चेत् अद्य गवर्थं क्रियमाणो ‘वादकोलाहलः’ चिन्ताराहित्यस्य फलरूपम्, अपि च कैश्चित् स्वीयराजनीतिलक्ष्याणां साधनत्वेन उपयुज्यमानश्च भवतीति स्फुटमेव प्रतीयेत। यतेा हि, कृषिवृत्तिप्रधानायां आर्थिकव्यवस्थायाम् अस्माकं समाजे गोः यादृशं प्रामुख्यमासीत् तादृशम् अद्यत्वे नास्तीति सुव्यक्तमेवैतत्तत्थ्यं विचारशीलानां सुमतिनाम्। (भारतस्य स्वातन्त्र्यलब्धिकालेऽपि देशोऽयं कृषिप्रधानोऽभूत्, सा आर्थिकव्यवस्थायाः ‘पृष्ठास्थिः’(backbone) अप्यवर्तत। अत एव भारतस्य संविधानेऽपि गोसंरक्षणं विषयान्तरैः सह स्थानमलभत।) अतः ‘सर्वे गावो यथेच्छं वध्याः’ इति निष्कर्षस्तु अत्यन्तमनुचितो भवति। ये तावद् गामाराधयन्ति तेषां तावत्तदर्थमधिकारोऽस्ति। तथैव ये गोमांसं आहर्तुमिच्छन्ति तेषां तदर्थम् अधिकारः स्वातन्त्र्यञ्च विद्यत एव। इयञ्च प्रथा बहुभ्यः शतकेभ्य देशेऽत्र प्रचरन्ती वर्तते। कथमित्थं समनन्तरे भूते वर्तमाने च युगे सङ्घर्षस्य सङ्ग्रामस्य विवादस्य च हेतुः संवृत्तः इत्यपि सुधीभिर्विचारणीयम्।
कैश्िचदाराध्यमानो जन्तुविशेषः अन्येन केनापि द्रुह्रो वध्यो वा न भवतीति वादस्तु न युक्तिसहो भवति। तदेवं सति मूषिकोऽपि अवध्यः सञ्जायेत। तमपि केचिद्दिव्यं मत्त्वा आराधयन्ति। अपि च, मूषिकानपि अश्नन्तो जनाः अस्माकं देशे सन्ति (कदाचित् किमपि भोजनान्तरम् अलब्ध्वैव महत्यस्मिन् देशे ते तथा कुर्वन्ति, अन्ये तु तद्भुक्तिशीलाः।) । ततोऽप्यधिकतया, अस्माकं देशे समुत्पाद्यमानस्य खाद्यधान्यसञ्चयस्य अष्टौ प्रतिशतं भागः मूषिकैरात्मसात्क्रियते इति तत्क्षेत्रीयाः विचक्षणाः निगदन्ति। अर्थात्, अनेककोटिसङ्ख्याकानां जनानां कृते पर्याप्तं धान्यं विनाशयन्तो मूषिकाः अपि अवध्यत्वम् अभियान्ति। एवमनेकाः अनुकूलाः (ध्रुवमेव, प्रतिकूलाश्च) युक्तयः अत्र प्रदर्शयितुं शक्यन्ते।
केरलेषु तु, बहोः कालात् जनेषु प्रतिशतं पञ्ञाशतोऽप्यधिकं सर्वधर्मणामप्यनुयायिनः जनाः गोमांसादिनो भवन्ति। स्वीयभोजनं निश्चेतुं विद्यमानस्य अधिकारस्य निषेधे क्रियमाणे तद्विरुध्य यः प्रतिषेद्धुमपि (to protest) न क्षमते सः कथं आधुनिको मानवो भवितुमर्हति? यतो हि, जनाः जानन्त्येव यद् अद्य तैः अनुभूयमानं स्वातन्त्र्यं पौराधिकाराश्च बहुभिस्तादृशैः प्रतिषेधैः तदर्थं वहूनां प्राणत्यागैश्चैवसमासादिता भवन्तीति। विश्वविद्यालयेष्वपि एतदेवाधुना समुपलक्ष्यते। एतस्य च दर्शने अस्माभिस्तावत् हृष्टैर्भाव्यमस्ति- यदस्माकं युवकाः स्वीयमुत्तरदायित्वं निर्वहन्तीति।
अन्ते इयमन्या सूचना- कालटि श्रीशङ्कराचार्य संस्कृतविश्वविद्यालयः न केवलं संस्कृतस्य तदनुबन्धिनां च विषयाणां विश्वविद्यालयो भवति। तत्र विद्यमानेषु उपपञ्चविंशतिविभागेषु केवलं सप्त वा अष्टौ वैव संस्कृतसम्बन्धिनो भवन्ति।नाम्ना आदिशङ्कराचार्यं समादृत्य वृत्त्या लक्ष्येण च विश्वविद्यालयोऽयं संस्कृतं विषयान्तराण्यपि यथाशक्ति समुपसेवमानोऽस्ति। विद्यां विना न कस्यचिदपि सपर्या महत्त्वापादनं वा तस्य नयः लक्ष्यञ्च भवति।
shankara
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Venkata Sriram
shankara
The official website of Sringeri Math says that, "In 1991 H.H. Sri Sri Bharathi Theertha Mahaswamigal laid the foundation stone for the Sree Shankaracharya University of Sanskrit at Kalady and gave liberal donation to the same. H.H. is the Chief Counsellor of the University."
shankara
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Their seems to be some confusion about Matha's relationship with the University if Dr. P. V. Narayanan's report is to be believed. (प्रथमं तावदिदमवधेयं यत् कालटि श्रीशङ्कराचार्य संस्कृतविश्चविद्यालयस्य शृङ्गेरिमठेन सह न कोऽपि सम्बन्धो वर्तते। नापि चास्य प्रारम्भाय पश्चात् प्रचालनाय वा मठात्तस्मात् एकस्यापि रूप्यकस्य साहाय्यं स्वीकृतम्।). Even then Amnyaya Mathas and reputed Mathas like Shringeri and Kanchi can write to the university established in the name of Shanakaracharya and express their concern.
Article 48 of the Constitution of India mandates the state to prohibit the slaughter of cows and calves and other milch and draught cattle. Even if for the sake of argument we assume that the article projects only economic concerns, its mandate is clear and needs to be respected. If Kannur and other such beef festivals violate the directive principle of the constitution then such festivals are not justified (even though directive principle is only advisory) and legal action needs to be taken..to my knowledge, in Kannur such action has been taken.
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P.V. NARAYANAN
प्रणामाः ।
मया उपस्थापितस्य लेखस्य लिपेर्विषये मम अनवधानतः सञ्जाता समस्या क्षन्तव्येति प्रार्थये । लिपिपरिवर्तनेन महान्तम् उपकारं कृतवते शङ्कर महाभागाय हार्दिकीं कृतज्ञतां विनिवेदयामि।
मम पूर्वतनो लेखः मान्यान् पण्डितवर्यान् अवमानयतीति काचन सूचना दृष्टा। तादृशं किमपि उद्देश्यं मम नासीत्। यदि कस्यचिन्मनसि तथा भातम् तर्हि तद्विषये खिद्यामि, क्षमामर्थये च।
विशेषतः कस्य मतमनूद्य विमर्शः क्रियते इति निर्देशः श्लाघ्यः।
श्रीशङ्कराचार्य विश्वविद्यालयमधिकृत्य वस्तुतत्त्वं किमप्यजानन्त एव तत्र कैश्चित् स्वकीयानि वचांसि उपस्थापितानि। तत्र श्री नागराजपटूरीमहाशयः (But there should be no surprise to those who know how leftist governments and leftist vice chancellors appointed by them changed the univrsity's orientation away from the vision of the fund contributors like Sringeri Muth). कमलेशपाठकमहोदयश्च (In this case shringeri math should cease the funding...) विश्वविद्यालयोयं शृङ्गेरिमठस्य अनुदानेनैव प्रवर्तमानोस्तीति निराधारं विश्वसन्तौ परीवादरताविव भाषेते। एतस्य च हेतुः विश्वविद्यालयमिममधिकृत्य तयोः अज्ञानमेव भवति। अत एव मया चर्चेयम् अज्ञानमूला भवतीत्यवादि। कञ्चिद्विषयमधिकृत्य विना किमपि तद्विषयकं ज्ञानं अवास्तविकम् किमप्युदीर्यमाणे तत् प्रमाधारितमिति वक्तुं न वयं गुरुभिः शिक्षिताः। सङ्घपरिवारस्य नाटकमिति यन्मयोक्तं तत् -VHP and saffron brigade should run for a long time nationwide... इत्येवंवदिना विदुषा (कमलेशपाठकः) स्वयं सत्यापितमेव। अमुष्य च इङ्गितं किं, स्वमिनः के इत्यादि तु स्वतःप्रमाणपरमिति नाधिकं वक्तव्यमस्ति।
श्रीमता शङ्कर महाभागेन गदितदिशा यदि शृङ्गेरिमठस्य website मध्ये तैः विश्वविद्यालयाय धनं दत्तमिति दृश्यते तर्हि ते विचारणीयाः। कयापि संस्थया स्वकीये website मध्ये एवं प्रदातुं शक्यते। विश्वविद्यालयस्य तत्सञ्चालकस्य केरलसर्वकारस्य वा website मध्ये अन्यत्र वा तथा किमपि नैव द्रष्टुं शक्येत, तादृशं किमपि न कदाचिदपि सम्भूतमित्यतः। अतः कैश्चित् (श्री वीरनारायणपाण्डुरङगी, श्री नित्यानन्द मिश्रा) निर्दिष्टदिशा यदि श्रीशङ्कराचार्य विश्वविद्यालयस्य कुलपतये उपकुलपतये वा पत्रं प्रेष्यते तेन सह विषयमिमं स्पष्टयितुं अपरमेकं पत्रं शृङ्गेरिमठं प्रत्यपि प्रेषणीयमस्ति।
मया मूषिकस्य दृष्टान्तः गोमूषिकयोः तुल्यत्वापादनाय न पुरस्कृतः । जीवाः सर्वे समानाः इति हि किञ्चन तत्त्वम्। गवा (धेन्वा वृषेण च) मनवजीवनस्य यावत्प्रयोजनमस्ति तथा किमपि मूषिकेण विद्यत इति कथनेन तद् असङ्गतं न कर्तव्यम्। केषाञ्चित्पूज्यो जन्तुः अपरेषाम् आहारो न भवितुमर्हतीति वादस्य अयुक्तिकतां दर्शयितुमेव तदुपात्तम्।
कुतर्के तु मे मतिर्न रमत इति वाचालता परं त्यज्यते।
इयत्तु अवश्यं वक्तव्यमित्युच्यते-
निरुपयोगतां गताः गावः कृषकेभ्यो भारभूताः भवन्ति। द्विसहस्रं
वर्षेभ्यः पूर्वमपि भारते अन्यथा निरुपयोगतां गताः गावः मांसार्थं हन्यन्ते स्म
इत्यत्र नैकानि सन्ति प्रमाणानि। अद्यत्वे
तु कृषिवृत्त्युपजीविभिः पौरैः स्वापत्यानि पितृंश्च पालयितुमपि मार्गमपश्यद्भिः उपयोगवतां
गवामेव पालनाय अनुभूयमानान् क्लेशान् विवरीतुं केवलगोरक्षावादिनो विद्वांसः, कुटिलनीतिम् अनुपालयन्तो राजनीतिव्यहाररताश्च नैव प्रभवेयुः।
प्रायशस्तु ते केवलं निरपेक्षघोषणे हि प्रवीणाः। अतः परेषाम् द्रोहाय न भवति चेत्
यथेच्छं कर्तुं कृषकाः पशुपालकाश्च अनुमन्यन्ते चेत् विवादस्य कोलाहलस्य वा
साङ्गत्यमेव न स्यात्।
Regards,
P.V. Narayanan.
Harsha B. Wari'
Venkatesh Murthy
Nagaraj Paturi
Shrivathsa B
विश्वासो वासुकेयः
सोमवार, 5 जून 2017 को 7:31:37 पूर्व UTC-7 को, NARAYANAN P.V ने लिखा:
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On Monday, 5 June 2017 22:31:37 UTC+8, NARAYANAN P.V wrote:
प्रणामाः ।
Nityanand Misra
On Tuesday, 6 June 2017 09:16:15 UTC+8, Nityanand Misra wrote:
The Deccan Chronical report clearly
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विश्वासो वासुकेयः
सोमवार, 5 जून 2017 को 8:51:56 अपर UTC-7 को, Nagaraj Paturi ने लिखा:
Marxism as ideology is opposed to religion in general and not against cow-worship or any one such strand of one of the religious traditions in particular.
These activities are clearly activities of a particular party claiming allegiance to Marxism.
Nagaraj Paturi
These activities are clearly activities of a particular party claiming allegiance to Marxism.
Marxism as ideology is opposed to religion in general and not against cow-worship or any one such strand of one of the religious traditions in particular.
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On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 10:52:36 AM UTC+5:30, V Subrahmanian wrote:
All said and done, the beef fests in spaces meant for academics are no different from the class of the meets organized in the JNU and some other places aimed at glorifying terrorists, anti-nationals, separatists, the enemy country, etc. A university is to be used by students to study and acquire a degree and not do things inimical to their shaping as scholars.vs
On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:25 AM, विश्वासो वासुकेयः <vishvas...@gmail.com> wrote:
सोमवार, 5 जून 2017 को 8:51:56 अपर UTC-7 को, Nagaraj Paturi ने लिखा:Marxism as ideology is opposed to religion in general and not against cow-worship or any one such strand of one of the religious traditions in particular.Opposition to religion in general very much implies opposition to particular religions - especially those of the "dominant old order". Examples not listed here.These activities are clearly activities of a particular party claiming allegiance to Marxism.Hence, this conclusion does not follow.
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Nagaraj Paturi
Venkatesh Murthy
P.V. NARAYANAN
Dear scholars
I may be pardoned for posting a ‘long story’ here. Also, I may be permitted to take liberty to explain my position in my earlier posts, and also to respond to some comments.
I’m utmost happy to know that majority of the members in this group are ardent followers of the ‘cow worship culture’, and I appreciate the commitment shown by them through criticizing my stance in the issue.
I wish and expect that they will show the same vigour in the fight against other issues that ruin this country and humiliate us before the world. These issues include poverty, unemployment, destruction of environment, scarcity of water for poor people, lack of value for agricultural products, corruption, casteism, riots, terrorism, racial and regional discrimination and very many others. (As per a study conducted last week by a global agency, in the Global Peace Index, India is rated137th amongst the 163 countries. Similarly in many other Indices our place is above 100, perhaps except in population!) Unfortunately, all these issues which are to be paid great attention for the progress of the country, have now become irrelevant or secondary before the slogans of ‘gorakshaa’. And, in a country where billions of children and women are living in indescribable pathetic conditions ‘beef eating’ has become most prominent problem to be handled with utmost emergency. Millions of mothers –elder women- are abandoned in public places or dumped in orphanages is not a problem before it. Our intellectuals are worried of cows and are conspicuously silent or mischievously ignorant about these ‘cursed creatures’. Social compassion, concern for co-beings etc. are not great things for them to be bothered of. Protecting culture becomes protection of some ‘symbols’ alone! Thus ‘Culture’ is a mere show-off! During my classes/speeches, I constantly speak of the greatness of India’s culture. I’m taught by great traditional Sanskrit scholars who rightly imbibed the culture/multiculturalism of this glorious country. They had had a mind and vision not poisoned by rigid religiosity or religious politics.
One member has ‘surprised to see how a person can study the Sanskrit Sastras and divine Kavyas of our great Kavis and still show total insensitivity to the hurt feelings caused by Beef’ Although I’m not a good scholar, I have been trying to be a good student of our cultural heritage throughout my life. Thus, I have the understanding that Sanskrit is not a language alone. It’s India’s life itself. It has been so for several millennia. It is this teaching and understanding that made me to take this position in the matters like this. Yeah, so I believe, cow has had great importance in the cultural, religious, agricultural, and economic history of India. People must have right to keep their religious belief intact if they wish so. BUT, it SHOULD NOT BE an act denying the rights of others. If the habit of eating beef is a culturally and historically evolved practice it should be given space in the society. When it is denied people naturally will protest in their own way. Students who uphold the democratic values also will participate in it. But, I strongly believe that the present ‘show off’ of ‘gorakshaa’ is HYSTERIA only. It’s a part of the political hysteria created and spread by the ultra right wing political movements. (I bow before the scholar who commented that studying alone is the duty of students. What would I say if a scholar who has minimum knowledge of history, especially of India’s freedom struggle, does not consider the Universities as the epi-centre of social /cultural changes!).
I’m not a member of any organization affiliated to CPI (M) or any other left party now. And, I have not taken part in any so called ‘beef fest’ until this day. (I do not consume beef, on my own reasons; not of ‘cultural’ or religious reasons). I too have some objections in the way of conducting certain protests against the anti-people decision/orders of the governments. But I respect and uphold the right of the people/students to mark their dissent and protest. I think, Mahatma Gandhi’s ‘Dandiyaatraa’ also is to be viewed from this point. (I’m afraid, if the things in our country are advancing in this manner, quoting Mahatma Gandhi also will soon become a punishable offence in India).
In a response to my comments, another member has said that Kerala is ‘a place where indigenous breeds have been systematically exterminated…’ This is nothing but the refection of a comment recently made by an RSS leader who racially humiliated the South Indians referring to them as ‘black’ (hence apparently ugly) people. (Dear scholar, extermination/extinction happens not only in Kerala. Even Himalayan Valley faces great danger in many ways. If Environmental knowledge is not your concern at present, you may try to learn its lessons). Further’ online sites and information have their own vested interests. We must be very much cautious while resorting to them. In its absence, we would proclaim that some government institutions run with people’s money ‘are functioning with the fund of certain religious institutions like Matha-s’.
Somebody else mentioned that my reference to Sangh Parivar is ‘out of context’. I humbly request him to go through the posts which call for an intervention of ‘VHP, and saffron brigade’ in the matter.
Regarding the court verdict in the matter of ‘beef’;
Courts are not the place where the ‘ultimate truth’ is revealed. But, in a political system we are bound to respect and obey the decisions and orders of the court. A decision arrived at a particular court may be different when it comes before another court. Notably, the decision of the Hon. Tamil Nadu High Court is not the same as that of the Hon. Kerala High Court. I too respect and obey courts’ decisions. But, regarding the matter of discussion here, the truth is to be sought at a different terrain that too through different trajectories. Being impatient in this issue will make us intellectually patients.
Looking back into the responses in this discussion I sadly understand that most of the comments are emotional and they only reproduce the popular notions. Anyhow, thanks to all.
P.V. Narayanan.
Nagaraj Paturi
Shrivathsa B
Harsha B. Wari'
Shantharam
In this context, I would like to share what Swami Tattvavidanandaji told in an Upanishad class recently where the mantra "ओषधीभ्यो अन्नम्" came up for discussion. He acknowledged the objection that people raise about plants too having life and dismissed it saying that though plants too have life, the objection is misplaced. This is because, ओषधी is explained by our Rishis as "फलपरिपाकान्तम्" "That whose life ends with its giving its respective ripened fruit". A paddy crop, for example, dies after it gives us the rice grains. The crop is over after it gives its fruit, which in this case is rice grains. So is the case with wheat and most of the vegetables. Take tomatoes, or sugar cane or even bananas, for example. That is why farmers have to start afresh every year. Therefore, we are not killing to eat, but only eating that whose life is already over. The Rishis had a clear intention in mind and made rules only after being well thought out.
Thanking You
Shantharam
Shantharam
In this context, I would like to share what Swami Tattvavidanandaji told in an Upanishad class recently where the mantra "ओषधीभ्यो अन्नम्" came up for discussion. He acknowledged the objection that people raise about plants too having life and dismissed it saying that though plants too have life, the objection is misplaced. This is because, ओषधी is explained by our Rishis as "फलपरिपाकान्तम्" "That whose life ends with its giving its respective ripened fruit". A paddy crop, for example, dies after it gives us the rice grains. The crop is over after it gives its fruit, which in this case is rice grains. So is the case with wheat and most of the vegetables. Take tomatoes, or sugar cane or even bananas, for example. That is why farmers have to start afresh every year. Therefore, we are not killing to eat, but only eating that whose life is already over. The Rishis had a clear intention in mind and made rules only after being well thought out.
Thanking You
Shantharam
Venkatesh Murthy
Nagaraj Paturi
Nagaraj Paturi
Praveen R. Bhat
In this context, I would like to share what Swami Tattvavidanandaji told in an Upanishad class recently where the mantra "ओषधीभ्यो अन्नम्" came up for discussion. He acknowledged the objection that people raise about plants too having life and dismissed it saying that though plants too have life, the objection is misplaced. This is because, ओषधी is explained by our Rishis as "फलपरिपाकान्तम्" "That whose life ends with its giving its respective ripened fruit". A paddy crop, for example, dies after it gives us the rice grains. The crop is over after it gives its fruit, which in this case is rice grains. So is the case with wheat and most of the vegetables. Take tomatoes, or sugar cane or even bananas, for example. That is why farmers have to start afresh every year. Therefore, we are not killing to eat, but only eating that whose life is already over. The Rishis had a clear intention in mind and made rules only after being well thought out.
--Praveen R. Bhat
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gobind medini
"If we were racist, why would have...all the entire south which is complete...you know Tamil. You know Kerala. You know Karnataka and Andhra. Why do we live with them? We have black people around us. You are denying your own nation, you are denying your ancestry, you are denying your history, you are denying your culture and you are trying to be good."
The BJP leader, however, apologised for his statement while admitting that his choice of words was wrong.
"I feel the entire statement said this - we have fought racism and we have people with different colour and culture, still never had any racism," Vijay said. "My words perhaps were not enough to convey this. Feel bad, really feel sorry, my apologies to those who feel I said different than what I meant," he added.
So to conclude that Mr. Vijay racially humiliated the South Indians referring to them as ‘black’ (hence
apparently ugly) people seems to be a rather shrill and exaggerated reaction, particularly when Mr Vijay had already apologized without any delay.
g
P.V. NARAYANAN
Dear Members,
This mainly is a response to Sri. Gobind Medini's post which tries to justify Sri Tarun Vijay's words; Sri Medini quotes Sri Tarun Vijay;
"If we were racist, why would have... all the entire south which is complete...you know Tamil. You know Kerala. You know Karnataka and Andhra. Why do we live with them? We have black people around us..." (Letters are bolded by me)
Please note Tarun Vijay's remark 'WE' and 'THEM'. Here the 'we' is in the subject position and it is clear from it that this 'we' is not the same 'we’ mentioned in the Preamble of our Constitution as 'We the people of India...'.
In his words 'We live with them...', the 'they' are explicitly different from 'we'. It evidently creates an ‘other’.
Psychologically this is a 'Freudian Slip'. This happens when someone wants to say something, her/his consciousness takes over and expresses what s/he really believes, and this will be just opposite to what s/he intended to say. And this slip is the truth s/he actually believes in.
This leads to the conclusion that the people referred to by the word 'we' are forced to live with the 'other' 'them'. And the 'we' either may be the 'North Indians' or as the speaker being a top RSS leader 'we' must be the members of Sangh Parivar!
And the 'they' either are South Indians and people of North East India (i.e. the people living in the regions beyond the territory of so called Aaryaavarta) or the people who do not fall in the lines of Sangh Parivar.
The same is the point in the case of ‘We have black people around us...". Any lay man can grasp its meaning. Here also the black people are obviously different from us.
Yeah, 'he apologized for his statement while admitting that his choice of words was wrong'.
In fact he was compelled to apologize due to the strong opposition and protests raised from different walks of Indian life. And I agree, 'his choice of words was wrong', still his intention was right!
We must bear in mind that "...people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." (Maya Angelou).
This comment may be found as not pertaining to the basic issue of the thread. But, I would like to point out that this attitude is the real reason for banning consumption of beef and condemning the protests against it.
It is a matter of deep grief that the scholars and teachers and persons having constitutional powers such as judges and ministers who are supposed to take up the responsibility of inculcating scientific tempo in the society are spreading superstitions and sowing the venomous seeds of hatred for political gain.
Being a person of logical mind how can a scholar stand behind the ideology which propagates the ‘ideas’ such as ‘cow is the only animal to inhale and exhale oxygen’, cow’s milk can cure even terminal cancer, gold can be derived from cow dung, Cow is an animal that can convert the food taken as gold, peacocks are ‘brahmacharis’ and the hen becomes pregnant by consuming the male cock’s tears, our airplanes had been frequently servicing to other planets too even before 7000 years, the head of Gajaanana is a good evidence of the knowledge and skill that we had acquired in the field of limb-transplantation … etc. etc.! In fact, all these are very much inherent aspects of the issue being discussed here. The beef fest or any other show of dissent is not an isolated event. They are the invited responses to the undemocratic and arbitrary orders of a government that shows the signs of authoritarianism.
It may also be said that taking scriptures alone as authority in the matters like this is highly untenable. Further, explanations and (mis)interpretations of the religious leaders of particular sects are not the basic data to be depended for analyzing and judging an issue which has multi-layer socio-cultural and historical connotations also. But, unfortunately the members of this group unanimously seem to believe so, as there could not be seen any different view. I’m happy to see this ‘unity’.
Regards,
P.V. Narayanan.
Nagaraj Paturi
Nagaraj Paturi
Achyut Karve
Dear Patuariji,
This group I believe is not a religious group. It is a group of scholars and intellectuals. I suggest that you do not put up threads that would result in any way bringing in the belief systems of individuals or of contemporary social groups. For eg. Madhav Deshpande's post on Anachaara was regarding historical belief systems. These topics are handled with facts and references and do not have a tendency to go wild. However the thread in question was not so right from the beginning.
With regards,
Achyut Karve.
Nagaraj Paturi
Kalyan K
Ahimsa is the highest dharma, says the Mahabharata. We cant practice full ahimsa, but we must strive to reduce himsa as much as possible, IMO. As human beings evolve technologically, they should also evolve morally and intellectually. Ideally, the world should proceed towards vegetarianism and even veganism, IMO, as humanity progresses. However, that is only an ideal and current reality is different.
Having said that, while consumption of any form of meat is tolerable, celebration of meat eating is nothing short of barbarianism IMO, because it is equivalent to celebrating violence. I therefore fully agree with you when you say you neither support beef festivals nor pork festivals. I thank you for injecting sanity into this discussion.
Regards
Kalyan
Srivatsa B R
Venkata Sriram
Nagaraj Paturi
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