तारकाग्रहमस्तकम्

[Hnbhat B.R.]

The compound occurs in नवग्रहस्तोत्र in in respect of Ketu. How तारकाग्रहमस्तकम् can mean? It is seen translated as "the head of planets and stars" in many places. But the questions  raised  here is Sun is known as of the head of grahas and the moon as the stars. Hence how can Ketu can be called as head who himself the headless?

Any clarification is welcome. If there is another different interpretation?

[Nagaraj Paturi]

I think it means who has stars and planets for his head. Bahuvrihi. 

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 12:42 PM Hnbhat B.R. <hnbh...@gmail.com> wrote:

The compound occurs in नवग्रहस्तोत्र in in respect of Ketu. How तारकाग्रहमस्तकम् can mean? It is seen translated as "the head of planets and stars" in many places. But the questions  raised  here is Sun is known as of the head of grahas and the moon as the stars. Hence how can Ketu can be called as head who himself the headless?

Any clarification is welcome. If there is another different interpretation?

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[A K Kaul]

Shri B R Hnbhatji,

Jai Shri Ram!

<The compound occurs in नवग्रहस्तोत्र in in respect of Ketu. How तारकाग्रहमस्तकम् can mean? It is seen translated as "the head of planets and stars" in many places>

As per the Pauranic lore, during the "sagara-manthana", after the "jar" of Amrita (Nectar) had come out of the same, Bhagwan Vishnu, as Mohini, started distributing  it among "Devas" in a que.

Rahu, an Asura, is said to have infiltrated that que of Devas, and he was pointed out by the sun and the moon to Bhagwan Vishnu.  The latter beheaded Rahu with his Sudarshana Chakra, but since Rahu had sipped some Amruta, he had become immortal. As his head got separated by Sudarshana Chakra from his body, it became known as Kethu and the headless body continued to be known as Rahu.  Thus Keth is "mastaka" of Rahu as per the Puranas.

It is also said that since that very day Rahu and Kethu started "devouring" the sun and the moon --- i.e. they started eclipsing the two luminaries!

Astronomically, however, Rahu and Kethu are known as the North and South node of the moon and they are just mathematical points of zero dimensions,  without any head or "tail"!

With regards and Jai Shri Ram!

A K Kaul

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 12:41 PM Hnbhat B.R. <hnbh...@gmail.com> wrote:

The compound occurs in नवग्रहस्तोत्र in in respect of Ketu. How तारकाग्रहमस्तकम् can mean? It is seen translated as "the head of planets and stars" in many places. But the questions  raised  here is Sun is known as of the head of grahas and the moon as the stars. Hence how can Ketu can be called as head who himself the headless?

Any clarification is welcome. If there is another different interpretation?

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[Pankaj Vyas]

Namaskara vidvajjanas

राहुरेव शिर:पदार्थ: किल ! राहो: शिरः इति "आद्यंतवदेकस्मिन्" १-१-२१ इति सूत्रे भाष्ये महर्षिपतंजलि:। then how do you interpret headless body is Rahu. In which purana head is interpreted as Ketu ?

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[A K Kaul]

Shri Pankaj Vyasji,

Jai Shri Ram!

< then how do you interpret headless body is Rahu.>

Kethu is a very late entry  in the Hindu astronomical works as well.  There is no mention of Kethu in the Surya Siddhanta or any other siddhantas!  

In fact, even Varahamihira is silent about Kethu as a counterpart of Rahu, since mostly he has talked about Kethu as comets!

But astronomically, "Rahu" and "Kethu" are  always away by 180 degrees from one another!  In astrology, Kethu is even Mokshakaraka, apart from being a "malefic".

Then again, astronomically, Rahu has  True motion, whereas no Hindu astronomical work has talked about the same!

< In which purana head is interpreted as Ketu>

Pl. give me sometime to get back to you, as I will have to glean it from the Pauranic lore, which I had gone through several decades back!

 राहुरेव शिर:पदार्थ: किल if taken literally, then calling Kethu as "tara-graha-mastaka" is not  feasible, since one of them has to be the body/tail and the other as head!

However, I may mention here that though astrology is supposed to be based on astronomy, but they are actually poles apart.

E.g. the planets and Rahu and Kethu of predictive astrology are supposed to be deities with miraculous powers of causing miseries or benefits to even the nations, not only individuals, but astronomical planets like Mangal and Shani and Rahu etc. are  inanimate wandering bodies, whose motions can be determined thousands of years before and after the actual "event" through modern astronomy.   

In astronomy even the "Devaguru" Brihaspti is subject to hammerings by comets like Shoemaker-Levy 9!

And as is common knowledge, we have already landed on the Moon and Mangal is our next target!

May be that is why Shri Vinay Jha, a great scholar of siddhantic astronomy, especially the Surya Siddhanta, apart from being a well known astrologer, insists that the planets of predictive astrology are not to be confused with the planets of modern astronomy or even the Surya Siddhanta!

http://vedicastrology.wikidot.com/  

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Astrological versus Physical Planets

All concepts from Physical Astronomy (such as Super Moon or rays of visible Sun &c) come from the FAITH in the SENSORILY PERCEIVED PHYSICAL (MATERIAL) things which is so rampant now-a-days due to propaganda by physical scientists against Astrology. If changes in distance of Moon should have astrological effect. so should have the respective distances of all planets. Then, farther planets should not have any appreciable astrological effect on Earth. For instance, physical Saturn is 3713 times farther than the Moon, and according to inverse square law, its gravitational and other physical forces should be proportional to inverse of square of distance, ie Saturn's physical forces should be 13784230 times less than those of Moon for equal mass. But Saturn is 95 times heavier than Earth and Earth is 81 times heavier than Moon, hence Saturn is nearly 7700 times heavier than Moon. Therefore, Saturn's actual physical (gravitational, electromagnetic) forces should be 13784230 divided with 7700 = 1790 times weaker than those of Moon, which is too high to allow Saturn to exert any perceptible impact on Earth with respect to Moon. Only Sun and Moon have compararable physical forces acting on Earth, Moon being the strongest, and all other planets are thousands of times weaker. But in astrology, if astrological factors like uchchādi or aspects are the same then astrological impacts are same for all planets. Hence, physical characteristics of planets like size, mass, distance, gravitation, electric force, magnetism, etc have ZERO role in astrology. It is only a deliberate design of God to give same name to astrological and physical planets so that materialists remain confused and do not get the benefits of a divine discipline like Jyotisha. The only proper way to study astrology is to follow the philosophy and guidelines laid down by rishi-based classics and other supportive texts, without tampering with the fundamental tenets of astrology. All astrological tests should be based purely on ASTROLOGICAL criteria and not on materialist criteria, because material objects do not possess astrological properties according to any scientific study in the world (and the reverse is also true ; astrological planets do not have material or physical properties, as shown above).

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[A K Kaul]

Shri Pankaj Vyasji,

Jai Shri Ram!

My apologies!

You are right. Kethu is supposed to be the tail as per the Pauranik lore.

But then to call Kethu as तारा ग्रह मस्तकम् is surprising since there cannot be two heads without a tail!

With regards and Jai Shri Ram!

A K Kaul

[Sundareswaran N.K]

चक्राभिघातप्रसभाज्ञयैव

चकार यो राहुवधूजनस्य I

आलिङ्गनोद्दामविलासवन्ध्यं

रतोत्सवं चुम्बनमात्रशेषम् ॥

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[R. N. iyengar]

Ketu refers to comets and similar transient objects which have a star-like head with a visible tail. The avahana mantra for Ketu in the AV is

PFA

Verse 9 on Ketu is in plural form 

पलाश धूम्र संकाशान्  तारकाग्रहमस्तकान् |रौद्रन् रुद्रात्मकान् घोरान् तान् केतून् प्रणमम्यहम्||  

because there are many; actually 101 (as per Vrddhagaargiya Mahasaliladhyaaya, 101 ketu-s are Vedokta )

Adbhuta Brahmana (Ch.26) of Shadvimsha Brahmana mentions Shanti for Ketu-s

Ketu is treated as the descending node only in late astrology and some other astro-books. This is a case of Sanskrit words acquiring differing meanings due to historical anomalies of lateral cultural infusions.

Thanks

RN Iyengar

[Nagaraj Paturi]

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[Rucha Kelkar]

Namaskar 

I cannot translate sanskrut.

As per our discussion on the group, ketu is considered to be the most malefic planet; and not saturn. 

So, can we say that as ketu is the (considered as) the most malefic planet, it is the 'head'/ kind of leader of malefics?

Thanks and Regards 

Rucha Kelkar 

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The compound occurs in नवग्रहस्तोत्र in in respect of Ketu. How तारकाग्रहमस्तकम् can mean? It is seen translated as "the head of planets and stars" in many places. But the questions  raised  here is Sun is known as of the head of grahas and the moon as the stars. Hence how can Ketu can be called as head who himself the headless?

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[Sunil Bhardwaj]

It could mean the head is among stars and planets, which it is.

Regards

Sunil

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How तारकाग्रहमस्तकम् can mean?  ----- Vid Bhat

Here the term मस्तकम् is a लक्षकशब्द ( न तु वाचकः) -- लक्षणावृत्त्या लक्ष्यार्थः स्वीकरणीयः - ’ अर्थः’ अर्थनिर्णायकः ( संयोगो विप्रयोगश्च.... वाक्यकाण्डः, वाक्यपदीयम्) मस्तकमिव मस्तकम् - प्रधान इत्यर्थः । 

वाच्यार्थानुपपत्तिः तात्पर्यानुपपत्तिर्वा लक्षणाबीजम् ।

केतुः मोक्षप्रदः इति हि शास्त्रम् -- मोक्षश्च पुरुषार्थेषु प्रधानः  - तारकाणां ग्रहाणां च मस्तकः - तम् (मस्तको’स्त्रियाम् - अमरः )-- तारकाग्रहमस्तकम् । मोक्षकारकं इति यावत् ।

तारकाणामपि फलानि उक्तानि ज्योतिषे ।

अथवा च्छत्रिन्यायेन तारकाग्रहणम् ।

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