Yantras of Bharadvaja
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gira...@juno.com
Oct 29, 2010, 1:59:52 PM10/29/10
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October 29, 2010
Respected Scholars, Namaskar!
Recent postings, " I read a work by Late Pt. G.R. Josyer titled "Maharṣi Bhāradvāja on Yantras or Machanisms".
We hear about Bharadwaja's Vaimanika Shastra book. Now there are airplane manufacturing plants (one in Nasika-Mig Russian Blueprint-airplanes),other in Bangalore in India. Did any modern aeronautical engineer working either in industry or academic try to build airplane based on this book? One scientist from Hyderabad made alloys based on information given in this book. Are thermodynamic phase diagrams of such new alloys published in scientific journals? If yes, please give us reference.
India had non-rusting pole near Delhi. During my visit to India, I visited couple of Engineering Colleges. I asked their metallurgy departments to show me the photo micrograph of that non-rusting alloy. They say they do not have it. If I were teaching in India, I will show that on the first day in class.
Mechanical engineering graduates coming from India to USA did not know about the tough steel of the ancient India. Michael Faraday, the electromagnetic fame British scientist was on secret mission to find the composition of this steel. He could not do it. Russian scientist found it in 1850. I send my published paper on this subject to Dr. D. Bhattacarya last year.
In this connection I have one more question. The epic Mahabharat describes a floating city. Who made it? and where in the ancient world? Is there any truth in it or just poetical imagination? Thanks. N.R.Joshi.
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Oct 29, 2010, 2:16:15 PM10/29/10
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| Namaste: Indians love to harp on the "vaimaanika shaastra". Everyone knows and talks about "pushpak vimaana" owned and operated by RaavaNa. If the technology was known then how come no one from Ayodhyaa (Rama's side) never copied it? Are there any other authentic references that can shed some light about it, including the propulsion system? Would love to hear about this from scholars. Best Regards, Yadu --- On Fri, 10/29/10, gira...@juno.com <gira...@juno.com> wrote: |
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Arun
Oct 30, 2010, 3:45:08 AM10/30/10
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I have written commentaries on ancient texts of astronomy and in that
context had to read parts of yantra-sarvasva also. Strictly speaking
there is no surviving text of astronomy or aeronautics. We do not have
any text on metallurgy also-there are some books named Rasa-shastra.
All these are just summaries in sanskrit verses to remember basic
formulas or names. It is not possible to make a design only on basis
of available verses. I do not know how Sri Josier made these diagrams-
but these designs cannnot fly. Bhaskara-1 has commented in his
explanation of Aryabhatiya that none of the methods are by Aryabhata
and the book was too small even to contain the summary. The methods
had been taken from 4 treatises named-Maskari, Purana, Putana and
Mudgala-these may be parallel to 4 branches of modern math. However,
there are many common matters in normal history which indicate high
development of science in whole world in ancient times-
(1) It is stated that copper age was primitive and prior to iron age.
Our whole analysis of archeological remains is based on that. But a
school student reads contradictory things in text book of chemistry.
Metallurgy of copper is much more difficult than that of iron-it
cannot be reduced by carbon. Iron can be extracted by any crude
village equipment. but not copper. Even prospecting of copper is more
difficult-it is still a guess work. How copper mines were located in
ancient times? Certainly, whole earth surface was not dug up. Even
after digging, copper mineral needs to be identified. A chemistry
graduate takes 6 hours of testing to identify it and many times it is
wrong. Location of gold and diamond is still more difficult. Jambunada-
svarna (Zimbabwe-king Soloman) or silver from Mexico were famous.
There is no step in metallurgy of silver for naming it as makshikah-it
is related to Mexico only-how and when?
(2) Indian texts have used 4 main reference points at interval of 90
degree longitude. All puranas tell that Bharatavarsha covers 1/4 of
the circle of earth, i.e. 1 of the 4 petals of earth lotus. In same
sense jain astronomy tells that Meru has 4 faces of 4 colours. Meru is
a mathematical construction-not a mountain like Himalayas-as made
distinct in Gita, chapter 11.This means that north hemisphere was
mapped into 4 sheets. Only then we can say about 4 cardinal points on
earth as reference. Whether central reference is Ujjan or Lanka, it
needs world wide survey. Even Alexander knew approximate map of
Europe, India and Africa-only through them his attack could be
planned. His army of 120000 went from Makran coast by ship to Ezypt.
That needs massive ship construction, map of Arabian sea and
navigation by longitude, latitude and dircetion. Journey of Columbus
was planned on basis of Piri Reis map which showed 2 land masses of
Antarctica also. He knew about American land mass-may be unaware about
name-his planning of food etc was only for that distance-not for India
by circling the earth.
(3) Distances of planets, orbit measures and slow motions in billion
years had been measured. Measures of galaxy have been written in all
texts of astronomy and Mayan Codex. These are still incomplete.
(4) Many concepts of advanced maths have been used in texts of
astronomy which are beyond M.Sc.(math)-but original texts explaining
them are not available.
(5) Methods of Ayurveda, surgery and yogic methods are stiil
unexplained-Arun
On Oct 29, 10:59 pm, "girav...@juno.com" <girav...@juno.com> wrote:
> October 29, 2010 Respected Scholars, Namaskar!Recent postings, " I read a work by Late Pt. G.R. Josyer titled "Maharṣi Bhāradvāja on Yantras or Machanisms". We hear about Bharadwaja's Vaimanika Shastra book. Now there are airplane manufacturing plants (one in Nasika-Mig Russian Blueprint-airplanes),other in Bangalore in India. Did any modern aeronautical engineer working either in industry or academic try to build airplane based on this book? One scientist from Hyderabad made alloys based on information given in this book. Are thermodynamic phase diagrams of such new alloys published in scientific journals? If yes, please give us reference. India had non-rusting pole near Delhi. During my visit to India, I visited couple of Engineering Colleges. I asked their metallurgy departments to show me the photo micrograph of that non-rusting alloy. They say they do not have it. If I were teaching in India, I will show that on the first day in class.Mechanical engineering graduates coming from India to USA did not know about the tough steel of the ancient India. Michael Faraday, the electromagnetic fame British scientist was on secret mission to find the composition of this steel. He could not do it. Russian scientist found it in 1850. I send my published paper on this subject to Dr. D. Bhattacarya last year. In this connection I have one more question. The epic Mahabharat describes a floating city. Who made it? and where in the ancient world? Is there any truth in it or just poetical imagination? Thanks. N.R.Joshi.
context had to read parts of yantra-sarvasva also. Strictly speaking
there is no surviving text of astronomy or aeronautics. We do not have
any text on metallurgy also-there are some books named Rasa-shastra.
All these are just summaries in sanskrit verses to remember basic
formulas or names. It is not possible to make a design only on basis
of available verses. I do not know how Sri Josier made these diagrams-
but these designs cannnot fly. Bhaskara-1 has commented in his
explanation of Aryabhatiya that none of the methods are by Aryabhata
and the book was too small even to contain the summary. The methods
had been taken from 4 treatises named-Maskari, Purana, Putana and
Mudgala-these may be parallel to 4 branches of modern math. However,
there are many common matters in normal history which indicate high
development of science in whole world in ancient times-
(1) It is stated that copper age was primitive and prior to iron age.
Our whole analysis of archeological remains is based on that. But a
school student reads contradictory things in text book of chemistry.
Metallurgy of copper is much more difficult than that of iron-it
cannot be reduced by carbon. Iron can be extracted by any crude
village equipment. but not copper. Even prospecting of copper is more
difficult-it is still a guess work. How copper mines were located in
ancient times? Certainly, whole earth surface was not dug up. Even
after digging, copper mineral needs to be identified. A chemistry
graduate takes 6 hours of testing to identify it and many times it is
wrong. Location of gold and diamond is still more difficult. Jambunada-
svarna (Zimbabwe-king Soloman) or silver from Mexico were famous.
There is no step in metallurgy of silver for naming it as makshikah-it
is related to Mexico only-how and when?
(2) Indian texts have used 4 main reference points at interval of 90
degree longitude. All puranas tell that Bharatavarsha covers 1/4 of
the circle of earth, i.e. 1 of the 4 petals of earth lotus. In same
sense jain astronomy tells that Meru has 4 faces of 4 colours. Meru is
a mathematical construction-not a mountain like Himalayas-as made
distinct in Gita, chapter 11.This means that north hemisphere was
mapped into 4 sheets. Only then we can say about 4 cardinal points on
earth as reference. Whether central reference is Ujjan or Lanka, it
needs world wide survey. Even Alexander knew approximate map of
Europe, India and Africa-only through them his attack could be
planned. His army of 120000 went from Makran coast by ship to Ezypt.
That needs massive ship construction, map of Arabian sea and
navigation by longitude, latitude and dircetion. Journey of Columbus
was planned on basis of Piri Reis map which showed 2 land masses of
Antarctica also. He knew about American land mass-may be unaware about
name-his planning of food etc was only for that distance-not for India
by circling the earth.
(3) Distances of planets, orbit measures and slow motions in billion
years had been measured. Measures of galaxy have been written in all
texts of astronomy and Mayan Codex. These are still incomplete.
(4) Many concepts of advanced maths have been used in texts of
astronomy which are beyond M.Sc.(math)-but original texts explaining
them are not available.
(5) Methods of Ayurveda, surgery and yogic methods are stiil
unexplained-Arun
On Oct 29, 10:59 pm, "girav...@juno.com" <girav...@juno.com> wrote:
> October 29, 2010 Respected Scholars, Namaskar!Recent postings, " I read a work by Late Pt. G.R. Josyer titled "Maharṣi Bhāradvāja on Yantras or Machanisms". We hear about Bharadwaja's Vaimanika Shastra book. Now there are airplane manufacturing plants (one in Nasika-Mig Russian Blueprint-airplanes),other in Bangalore in India. Did any modern aeronautical engineer working either in industry or academic try to build airplane based on this book? One scientist from Hyderabad made alloys based on information given in this book. Are thermodynamic phase diagrams of such new alloys published in scientific journals? If yes, please give us reference. India had non-rusting pole near Delhi. During my visit to India, I visited couple of Engineering Colleges. I asked their metallurgy departments to show me the photo micrograph of that non-rusting alloy. They say they do not have it. If I were teaching in India, I will show that on the first day in class.Mechanical engineering graduates coming from India to USA did not know about the tough steel of the ancient India. Michael Faraday, the electromagnetic fame British scientist was on secret mission to find the composition of this steel. He could not do it. Russian scientist found it in 1850. I send my published paper on this subject to Dr. D. Bhattacarya last year. In this connection I have one more question. The epic Mahabharat describes a floating city. Who made it? and where in the ancient world? Is there any truth in it or just poetical imagination? Thanks. N.R.Joshi.
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sadasivamurty rani
Oct 30, 2010, 4:45:04 AM10/30/10
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Two versions of Bharadwaja's Vymanika Shastra are available in print.
1.Vymanika-Shaastra (Aeronautics) by Maharshi Bharadwaaja. It was propuneded by Venerable Subbaraya Sastry and was translated into English and edited, printed and published by GRJosyer from Mysore in 1973.
2. Maharshi Bhardawaja Praneetha Brhad Vimana Saastra (With Hindi translation)
Edited and Translated by Swami Brahma muni Parvrajak. It was published by Saarvadeshik
Aarya pratinidhi Sabha, Dayaananda Bhavan, New Delhi in 1959.
I have the (Full Length) photo copies of both the texts in my personal collection.
3. To say further it is evidently known from the research undertaken over these texts by Birla Institute of Sciences,Hyderabad that the Alloys recommended could be produced even today from the avaialble sources and those Alloys are new to the modern world. Besides this, those alloys are better substitutes for the metals being used in the modern aeronautic construction. Their detailed reports are with the said institution.
4. As per the information available in these two versions of the text This Vaimanikaadhikarana is one of the 96 Adhikaranas found in the BRHADYANTRA SARVASVAM (A Volumenous Treatise) said to have been written by BHARADWAAJA.
5. Another instance we can have from the text of the King Bhoja.
In the text of the SAMARANGANA SUTRADHARA (The Vastu Text) authored by Bhoja he gives the particulars of a particular type of Air car which he calls LOHAVIHANGAMA. In that context he says that Mercury was used as fuel in constructing such Lohavihangama.
I think searching for facts and presenting them before a respectful forum of intellectuals like this is not just for harping I think. Serious and sincere pursuits may yield more and more astonishing results. It needs dedicated and collective efforts of larger and larger groups of scholars. Let us wish for such a positive team work.
With warm regards, Dr. Rani Sadasiva Murty --- On Fri, 29/10/10, Dr. Yadu Moharir <ymoh...@yahoo.com> wrote: |
उमेश कुमार सिंह
Oct 31, 2010, 6:39:32 AM10/31/10
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Dear sir,
Many many thanks to you for your kind informations, I already have all these texts but there is no reference or description of those yantras.
Regards-
Dr. Umesh Kumar Singh
Reasearch Associate
Center for Indic Studies
University of Massachusetts, Dartmouth, USA.
Reasearch Associate
Center for Indic Studies
University of Massachusetts, Dartmouth, USA.
Phone- 09891672591(Delhi)
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S P Narang
Nov 6, 2010, 4:01:18 AM11/6/10
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A few scholars are trying to resore the plane as depicted in the Vimanasastra. But even after 10 years, they are not able to produce a small smoke in the glass they are exhibiting. Its depiction is very complicated and ultra-scientific knowledge. But the external ingredients are very very antique in nature. Can a scholar explain the real nature of the Vimaana independent of the modern concepts of science which was developed very slowly? Try to evolve the wonderful concept of Vimana in reality. Otherwise, boasting becomes useless. Regards, spnarang
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Sunil Nakum
Sep 6, 2021, 7:05:08 AM9/6/21
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Respected Scholars,
I'm in the process of collecting authentic texts which involve our ancient Vimana descriptions for an upcoming project at Shastra Krida. There are umpteen documentation on the name of Vimanika (Vymanika) Shastra but most of them are just shallow research papers full in English with no Sanskrit verses or very few verses.
To my knowledge the original/ancient work by Maharshi Bharadwaja and Bhoja with tiles listed below are not fully available at least in the open domain.
Yantra Sarvaswa (with a chapter 54th on Vimana),
Brihad Vimanika Shastra,
Amshubodhini (Chapter-1 is available on archive.org),
Samarangana Sutradhara,
However, I could trace few threads (link below) from BVP members (ex-members) who possessed it in partial or a commentary on Yantrasarvasva (Vaimanikaprakaranam -savrtti-vrtti by Bodhananda). Since it was pretty old thread (2009) and some of the members already left BVP, I'm not sure who else are in possession of these works and could share it. So a humble request to share it if you have it or at least provide the contact information who might have it.
by Dr. Rani Sadasiva Murty, Sri Mukund Wadekar,
If it helps, just clarifying on the requirements side, that my angle of study would be quite different than most of the other BVP members irrespective of the varied subjects being discussed across disciplines. We are more interested in studying the Vimana's shapes, the other technical details and working principle (I don't think we have it) are of secondary importance.
Thanks & Regards,
Sunil K Nakum
Nagaraj Paturi
Sep 6, 2021, 8:54:14 AM9/6/21
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You may write to me individually so that I can provide you the email id of Prof. C S R Prabhu who has a copy of a manuscript of a portion of Bharadwaja Vimana Shastra. If you are lucky, he may agree to share it with you with some conditions.
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Sreedhar Chintalapaty
Sep 6, 2021, 5:03:39 PM9/6/21
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In 1959, IISc Bangalore published the results of their aeronautical analysis of the various vimAnas mentioned in the book. Perhaps it may be of use.
Best Regards,
Sreedhar
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Sreedhar Chintalapaty
Sep 6, 2021, 5:06:28 PM9/6/21
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Correction - the paper was published in 1974, not 1959. Copy-paste error regretted. :)
/Sreedhar
Nagaraj Paturi
Sep 6, 2021, 10:29:48 PM9/6/21
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That is a study, a rejection of the validity of the ideas in the text. By now, this rejection is well known. Sri Sunil Nakum-ji is looking for the actual text.
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Nagaraj Paturi
Sep 7, 2021, 2:04:56 AM9/7/21
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I received the following as an individual mail to me :
Bruhad Vimanika Shastra
https://archive.org/details/VimanikaShaster/mode/2up
Samarangana Sutradhara
https://archive.org/details/rpFq_samarangana-sutradhara-of-raja-bhoja-by-t.-ganapati-shastri-2nd-edition-gaekwad-/page/n9/mode/2up
Yukti-kalpataru
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.513517/page/n9/mode/2up
https://archive.org/details/VimanikaShaster/mode/2up
Samarangana Sutradhara
https://archive.org/details/rpFq_samarangana-sutradhara-of-raja-bhoja-by-t.-ganapati-shastri-2nd-edition-gaekwad-/page/n9/mode/2up
Yukti-kalpataru
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.513517/page/n9/mode/2up
Thank you & warm regards
U.N. Jaya Prakash Maiya,
Gauri Mahulikar
Sep 7, 2021, 2:28:51 AM9/7/21
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Hari Om!
PFA the text by Bharadvaja.
There is a Marathi book with diagrams authored by the Late Captain Anand Bodas.
He had made a presentation on Vimanavidya in the 102nd Indian Science Congress hosted by Mumbai University during a symposium on 'Sciences through Sanskrit' coordinated by me in January 2015
warm regards
Prof. Gauri MahulikarDean of Faculty, Chinmaya University
Veliyanad, Ernakulam, 682313
Former Prof & Head, Sanskrit Dept
Mumbai University
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Sunil Nakum
Sep 7, 2021, 8:22:25 AM9/7/21
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Thank you all for taking out your valuable time in responding to my email.
Sri Nagaraj-ji, Jaya Prakash-ji and Gauri-ji,
Your pointers are really helpful and I will read through them, specifically the commentary on Brihad Vimanika Shastra by Swami Brahmamuni Parivrajak.
Sreedhar-ji, thank you for sharing that critical study. That is amongst the most widely circulated and celebrated documents on this subject, unfortunately.
Thanks & Regards,
Sunil K Nakum
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Nagaraj Paturi
Sep 10, 2021, 5:08:33 AM9/10/21
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Prof. CSR Prabhu's paper on academia :
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Sunil Nakum
Sep 10, 2021, 12:16:32 PM9/10/21
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Thank you Sri Nagaraj ji,
I'll go through the research paper of Sri C.S.R. Prabhu sir.
Thanks & Regards,
Sunil K Nakum
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