a question

[Rakesh Das]

Respected members!

   We have seen that the heroes in various tales like kathasaritsagara are able to understand the language of the birds and animals. Is there any mention of such type of Shatra practising which we may be expert in this type of ability.

with Regards

Rakesh

[nastikashiromani]

Sir,
these are stories only.
Birds and beasts have languages of their own which are vastly
different from human languages and we do not have the proper vocal
apparatus for it.

On Mar 3, 9:06 pm, Rakesh Das <rak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Respected members!

>    We have seen that the heroes in various tales like *kathasaritsagara* are
> able to understand the *language of the birds and animals*. Is there any

[JSRA Prasad]

Puranas are not for mere story telling. HItopadesa etc., have imitated from puranas. 

Puranas are the actual sciences.Birds and animals have their own language which we cann't understand.

Since we cann't understand, simply we shouldn't deny the fact that those are false.

The art of knowing their language is mentioned in the list of sixty four arts (kalaAs).

These kalAs are mentioned somewhere in the Saiva aagamas. One may refer
to this link for the list of kalAs in English - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kal%C4%81

I heard that entire markandeya purana is a dialog between sage Jaimini and some birds.

[nastikashiromani]

Puranas are science? In what sense?

Perhaps you can inform me of people who have actually held discussions
with animals about morality and politics after having practised the
kalas you mentioned?

To clarify I am saying that birds and beasts have their own language.
But I am denying that puranas can teach you how to communicate with
themn as youw ould with another human.

On Mar 9, 10:45 pm, JSRA Prasad <jsrapra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Puranas are not for mere story telling. HItopadesa etc., have imitated from
> puranas.
> Puranas are the actual sciences.Birds and animals have their own language
> which we cann't understand.
> Since we cann't understand, simply we shouldn't deny the fact that those are
> false.
> The art of knowing their language is mentioned in the list of sixty four
> arts (kalaAs).
> These kalAs are mentioned somewhere in the Saiva aagamas. One may refer

> to this link for the list of kalAs in English -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kal%C4%81

> I heard that entire markandeya purana is a dialog between sage Jaimini and
> some birds.
>

> On 3/9/09, nastikashiromani <lokayat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Sir,
> > these are stories only.
> > Birds and beasts have languages of their own which are vastly
> > different from human languages and we do not have the proper vocal
> > apparatus for it.
>
> > On Mar 3, 9:06 pm, Rakesh Das <rak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Respected members!
> > >    We have seen that the heroes in various tales like *kathasaritsagara*
> > are
> > > able to understand the *language of the birds and animals*. Is there any
> > > mention of such type of Shatra practising which we may be expert in this
> > > type of ability.
> > > with Regards
> > > Rakesh
>

> --
> Lecturer, Dept. of Sanskrit Studies
> University of Hyderabad
> Gachibowli, Hyderabad - 500046
> Tel: 040-2313 3803 (Off.)

[Rakesh Das]

These are not mere stories. Even in the Upanishads also we find this. We can refer to the tale of Satyakama Jabala. He got Brahmavidya from Madgu(A kind of bird), an ox etc. And Puranas are also scientific texts. can't deny the fact. If we go through the Puranas those will give insight to various scientific facts - dare to say till unknown to the modern scientists. One among those is the creation of the universe. Mr. Vasudev Poddar has written a book on this matter - Kalayatra. Even we have another book Jambudvipanirnaya also.

[sadasivamurty rani]

This is in response to the Statement Puranas are science? In what sense? My answer is Strongly Affirmative to this Quesiton.  Puranas are Encyclopaedia of Knowledge.  They have volumes of information on many branches of positive sciences. We have an excellent information on subjects like: Cosmology, Geology, Metallurghy, Geography, Animal Husbandary, Science of Medicine for Horses, Elephants, Cows and Trees, Architecutre and Temple Ayurveda, Architecture, Agriculture, Apiculture and so on. Even independent treatises on these subjects doesn't carry this much of voluminous information. Theare some sections spared exclusively for dealing with these subjects.  Only an Eye of Interest is necessary to explore into these fields.  I can even directly sit in discussion to prove their scientific validity. Thank You for giving me this opportunity to extend this informaiton for the appreciation of the learned members of BVP. Dr. Rani Sadasiva Murty Sr. Lecturer in Sahitya, Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidyapeetha, TIRUPATI. --- On Tue, 3/10/09, nastikashiromani <lokay...@gmail.com> wrote:

[nastikashiromani]

The tales referred to in Upanishads are merely aaptavakya to teach us
but it is no guarantee of their validity in real life.

As I said, what scientific facts? Why has no one discovered them
before --- why did not the sages who compiled them use their knowledge
to being about changes in the lives of people?

On Mar 10, 9:37 am, Rakesh Das <rak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> These are not mere stories. Even in the Upanishads also we find this. We can
> refer to the tale of Satyakama Jabala. He got Brahmavidya from Madgu(A kind
> of bird), an ox etc. And Puranas are also scientific texts. can't deny the
> fact. If we go through the Puranas those will give insight to various
> scientific facts - dare to say till unknown to the modern scientists. One
> among those is the creation of the universe. Mr. Vasudev Poddar has written

> a book on this matter - *Kalayatra*. Even we have another book
> *Jambudvipanirnaya
> *also.

[nastikashiromani]

Thank you, because I would be interested.

However most of the subjects are simple matters of observation and
common sense and experiments and so valid knowledge about
architecture, animal medicine etc would easily be available to our
ancestors.

I would therefore request you to restrict yourself to only cosmology
and geology and biology because these are subjects about which
ancients would know very little lacking scientific instruments. And by
valid knowledge in this case I mean black holes, the composition of
earth's crust, role of proteins in gene expression --- specific things
(not vague generalisation about quantum mechanics) which it would have
been impossible for them to know without some atirendriya help.


On Mar 10, 9:43 am, sadasivamurty rani <ranisadasivamu...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> This is in response to the Statement Puranas are science? In what sense?
> My answer is Strongly Affirmative to this Quesiton.
>  Puranas are Encyclopaedia of Knowledge. 
> They have volumes of information on many branches of positive sciences.
> We have an excellent information on subjects like:
> Cosmology, Geology, Metallurghy, Geography, Animal Husbandary, Science of Medicine for Horses, Elephants, Cows and Trees, Architecutre and Temple Ayurveda, Architecture, Agriculture, Apiculture and so on. Even independent treatises on these subjects doesn't carry this much of voluminous information.
> Theare some sections spared exclusively for dealing with these subjects.  Only an Eye of Interest is necessary to explore into these fields. 
> I can even directly sit in discussion to prove their scientific validity.
> Thank You for giving me this opportunity to extend this informaiton for the appreciation of the learned members of BVP.
> Dr. Rani Sadasiva Murty
> Sr. Lecturer in Sahitya,
> Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidyapeetha,
> TIRUPATI.
>

> --- On Tue, 3/10/09, nastikashiromani <lokayat...@gmail.com> wrote:

[sadasivamurty rani]

My answer is for the questions

"what scientific facts? Why has no one discovered them before --- why did not the sages who compiled them use their knowledge

to being about changes in the lives of people?" of a mail from Nastikashiromani. Now the Answers: I have already furnished Various Scientific Contents available in various Purnas. Who said that they were not discovered before.  They were already discovered and presented in Book Form. Since we haven't studied them it should not be concluded that these weren't existing in ancient times. The sages have compiled them and preserved in the form of Puranas. There in the Puranas the names of Various sages who were associated with these branches of sciences are mentioned. There is concrete evidence for their practical use also. For Instance the Chapters on Temple Architecture presented in Matsya Purana are the source for the later AGamic Architecture. Very recently A scholar has got his Ph.D., under my guidance on the Topic "Puraneshu Krishi Vjnanam" (Agriculture in The Pauranic Literature".   There we could see lot of information right from the methods of Ground Water Exploration Methods to various instruments used form cultivation, The types of soils and various crops sutitable for respective soils and respective seasons and so on. In that Thesis Five fold classification of Agriculture was also one of the noteworthy readings. Similarly Another Professor in Mechanical Engineering  from National Institute of Technology (NIIT), Warrangal is working under my guidance on the topic "Metallurgy in Ancient Sanskrit Literature".  Very Soon he is going to submit his Thesis.  Another woman got her Doctorate under my guidance having worked on the Topic "Mahabharate Paryaavarana Vijnaanam" (Environmental Science in The Mahabharata). There is much to learn from Puranas.  Our devoted pursuits can yield astonishing results. Regards, Dr. Rani Sadasiva Murty Sr. Lecturer in Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidya Peetha, TIRUPATI

--- On Tue, 3/10/09, nastikashiromani <lokay...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: nastikashiromani <lokay...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: a question To: "भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्" <bvpar...@googlegroups.com>

[sadasivamurty rani]

Isn't architecture accepted by modern people as a science? Aren't the disciplines such as : Ashvayurveda, Gajayurveda, Gavayurveda, Vrkhsaayurveda be considered scientific? Moreover in my earlier replies no where it was mentioned about "Quantum Mechanics".  But I wonder why its claim and attestation is attributed to me. Anyhow one thing is ineivtable.  As long as any arguing person doesn't want to accept any fact advanced by others having clung to some preconceived notions and as long as such person's Thoughts search to take the support of such LOGIC which serves only to deny but not to accept, even Brhaspati can speak just not more than a little. Regards Dr. Rani Sadasiva Murty

--- On Tue, 3/10/09, nastikashiromani <lokay...@gmail.com> wrote:

[nastikashiromani]

Dear Sadasivmurti rani, please read my previous answer to you more
carefully.

I distinctly said that sciences like animal husbandry, temple
architecture (and metallurgy) etc are a matter of common sense and
experiments. They are science, but they are well within human scope in
the ancient ages.

I want to have specific concrete examples from cosmology, geology and
biology that we have discovered today. Having such examples will truly
prove that there was a golden age of scientific knowledge that we have
lost.

Quantum mechanics quote is NOT attributed to you. I said vague
generalisations like Vedas have quantum theories are not acceptable,
though many try to argue so. As I said, I want concrete examples like
how proteins control genes -- not stories but the mechanics of how.

Give me such examples from modern science about which I believe that
puranas know nothing --- and then I will accept your LOGIC.

On Mar 10, 8:01 pm, sadasivamurty rani <ranisadasivamu...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Isn't architecture accepted by modern people as a science?
> Aren't the disciplines such as : Ashvayurveda, Gajayurveda, Gavayurveda, Vrkhsaayurveda be considered scientific?
> Moreover in my earlier replies no where it was mentioned about "Quantum Mechanics".  But I wonder why its claim and attestation is attributed to me.
> Anyhow one thing is ineivtable.  As long as any arguing person doesn't want to accept any fact advanced by others having clung to some preconceived notions and as long as such person's Thoughts search to take the support of such LOGIC which serves only to deny but not to accept, even Brhaspati can speak just not more than a little.
> Regards
> Dr. Rani Sadasiva Murty
>

[Vishu ,]

Another woman got her Doctorate under my guidance having worked on the Topic "Mahabharate Paryaavarana Vijnaanam" (Environmental Science in The Mahabharata).

Dear Dr Rani Sadasiva Murty,

I would like to obtain a copy of this thesis "Mahabharate Paryaavarana Vijnaanam" and any papers published on this topic. Is this entirely in Sanskrit or do you have any English translation of the same.

I will appreciate your response,
regards,
Vishwesha

 

--
Vishwesha Guttal
Postdoctoral Research Associate
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
Princeton University, Princeton, NJ, USA
Ph: 614-805-3732 (cell)
Ph: 609-258-6086 (office)
Web: http://www.princeton.edu/~vguttal/

[S P Narang]

Puranas are definite the collection of the lost heritage of knowledge which should be used by separating it from the poetical elements. these elements can be used only with interpretation of the symbols. they preserve huge patches of history which is less used by historians also. spnarang

---

From: sadasivamurty rani <ranisada...@yahoo.com>
To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:13:20 AM
Subject: Re: a question

[nastikashiromani]

Mr. Narang --- history is one thing. Of course the Puranas do contain
history of our heritage though one has shift the facts carefully and
provide knowledge about the culture of different ages.

But physical and biological science in the modern sense of the term?

On Mar 11, 6:59 am, S P Narang <spnar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Puranas are definite the collection of the lost heritage of knowledge which should be used by separating it from the poetical elements. these elements can be used only with interpretation of the symbols. they preserve huge patches of history which is less used by historians also. spnarang
>
> ________________________________

> From: sadasivamurty rani <ranisadasivamu...@yahoo.com>

> To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:13:20 AM
> Subject: Re: a question
>
> This is in response to the Statement Puranas are science? In what sense?
> My answer is Strongly Affirmative to this Quesiton.
>  Puranas are Encyclopaedia of Knowledge.  
> They have volumes of information on many branches of positive sciences.
> We have an excellent information on subjects like:
> Cosmology, Geology, Metallurghy, Geography, Animal Husbandary, Science of Medicine for Horses, Elephants, Cows and Trees, Architecutre and Temple Ayurveda, Architecture, Agriculture, Apiculture and so on. Even independent treatises on these subjects doesn't carry this much of voluminous information.
> Theare some sections spared exclusively for dealing with these subjects.  Only an Eye of Interest is necessary to explore into these fields.  
> I can even directly sit in discussion to prove their scientific validity.
> Thank You for giving me this opportunity to extend this informaiton for the appreciation of the learned members of BVP.
> Dr. Rani Sadasiva Murty
> Sr. Lecturer in Sahitya,
> Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidyapeetha,
> TIRUPATI.
>

> --- On Tue, 3/10/09, nastikashiromani <lokayat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: nastikashiromani <lokayat...@gmail.com>

[Tirumala Kulakarni]

Namaskara

On 3/3/09, Rakesh Das <rak...@gmail.com> wrote:

Respected members!

   We have seen that the heroes in various tales like kathasaritsagara are able to understand the language of the birds and animals. Is there any mention of such type of Shatra practising which we may be expert in this type of ability.

 

In Patanjali's yogasuutra 3.17 the method of obtaining सर्वभूतरुतज्ञानम् is mentioned. The method of Yogasuutra is - at every stage when it says about something it mentions the phala of the method. In this line सर्वभूतरुतज्ञानम् is mentioned. One can see the original text here -

 

http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/darshanas/Yoga/yoga_darshanam.pdf 

 

Somebody who has good commentaries and explanations on this issue can share his findings in this list.

 

Dr. Tirumala Kulakarni

Poornaprajna Vidyapeetha

Bangalore

with Regards

Rakesh

[JSRA Prasad]

Namaste.

So far the discussion is going vaguely. Now that you gave the pointed answer to the question posed. Yes, the art of knowing their language is very possible unless you are mastered the yogic science. सर्वभूतरुतज्ञ is attributed to someone in puranas.

Prasad

[JSRA Prasad]

In this reply I mix up lateral responses also by scholars. According to your definition, whatever definitions are stated so far are attesting the status of science of puranas or scriptutes. All this is depends on how do you define the word 'science'. But other side of the coin the question still remains that is there is any Biology, Geology and cosmology. As rightly said by Prof. Sarma, it may be little difficult to point from exact sciences to descriptive sciences in our puranas. The reasons may be -

1. If you go back for a span of about two hundred years in our civilization, were there any achievements like the aeroplane, TV, mobile phone, computer etc.?

2. There was no globalization, no software companies, no concept of a job even with an employer like wipro or microsoft.

3. There was no apartment culture, only peaceful villages or agraharas surrounded by religious monuments.

4. There was a standard list of diseases but not such as AIDS, Alzheimer etc. Why because their lifestyle was healthy and did not require any stress management.

5. There is no change in the number of planets as did with our lovely Pluto (if I am correct)

6. Without any telescopes of other sophisticated instruments, ancient Indians calculated the planetary moments and eclipses even after years to come.

Here my point is their daily, physical, medical, societal and family needs were different. In such a situation, it is wrong to argue that why have not they mentioned about mundane sciences. People believe that during 2060s robots may doing the routine works done by humans. If the forthcoming generations blame our coveted scientists 'why Charles Babbage or someone else did not invent robots', what could we say? I don't want to discuss the side effects of the scientific achievements such as atomic weapons, that will be off the track. You have asked Dr. Murty to show examples in cosmology, geology and biology. I firmly believe that Vaiseshika is the foundation of classical physics which has inspired from nasadiiya sUkta. A scientist in Hyderabad, sri CSR Prabhu is writing a book titled 'The Physics of Vaiseshika', which is going to published soon. Regarding geology, recently we have witnessed that how disastrous the 'tsunami' is. Had we have a hint of the forthcoming adversity, we could have avoided. I recollect a passage from an article that states the solution(s) in preventing the tsunami mentioned in Brihatsamhita. Forty days before the tsumani effect, the related geograhical area emits smoke/vapors in packets. The same will be reflected in the climate over there. Other scholars may provided more pointed reference to the same. I don't know whether I can relate Ayurveda with biology or not, but I do now. “Chandogyopanishad recognizes three cosmic elements. Water, Heat, and Earth being essentials required for a good crop. Then if such a cosmology as model, the medicine-man established three factors essential to human life. Air, Heat and Water. These constitute the humours of tirudosha doctrine with vata, pitta and kapha.” There is a discussion in Charaka, Sushruta and Ashtanga hrdayam of the microbiology. They mentioned twenty types of microbes classified external and internal. The microbes are generated in blood, phlegm and faeces. They said about their size also without using any instruments. Also, I feel, the modern medicine did not reach the heights of the concept on the tridosha doctrine prevalent in Ayurveda.

And I wonder why don't you speak about the Indian advancements in Linguistics as is said by Prof. Patnaik? Is your scope of achievements in science is such narrow? I quote Prof. VVS Sarma 'there are limitations for science also'.

Thanks,
Prasad

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:47 PM, nastikashiromani <lokay...@gmail.com> wrote:

I want to have specific concrete examples from cosmology, geology and
biology that we have discovered today. Having such examples will truly
prove that there was a golden age of scientific knowledge that we have
lost.

[nastikashiromani]

My point is the ancients did not progress further.

They could imagine the puspaka ratha but not actually create a flying
machine.
Kanada gave the atomic theory but no one took it up further to bring
out the negative and positive charges.
Medicine stopped with Caraka and Susruta.

As for not needing mundane sciences:
I take it you think that the destruction of temples by Muslims were
wanted by Hindus, so they did not bother to advance their weapons
research?
If science had truly progressed instead of being stuck in a morass of
orthodoxy, then Islamic invasion would have never happened and we
would have kicked the Britishers' butts instead them kicking ours.

In Britain once science came out from the clutches of Church they
galloped forward until they became a world power; we just said
everything is in the scriptures and sat down happily not to do any
research. Result --- we were their colony.
Sheesh we even had to learn how to print our religious manuscripts and
preserve them from the aliens!

Yeah language is a science --- but human language.

On Mar 13, 7:02 pm, JSRA Prasad <jsrapra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In this reply I mix up lateral responses also by scholars. According to your
> definition, whatever definitions are stated so far are attesting the status
> of science of puranas or scriptutes. All this is depends on how do you
> define the word 'science'. But other side of the coin the question still
> remains that is there is any Biology, Geology and cosmology. As rightly said
> by Prof. Sarma, it may be little difficult to point from exact sciences to
> descriptive sciences in our puranas. The reasons may be -
>

>    1.

>
>    If you go back for a span of about two hundred years in our civilization,
>    were there any achievements like the aeroplane, TV, mobile phone, computer
>    etc.?

>    2.

>
>    There was no globalization, no software companies, no concept of a job
>    even with an employer like wipro or microsoft.

>    3.

>
>    There was no apartment culture, only peaceful villages or agraharas
>    surrounded by religious monuments.

>    4.

>
>    There was a standard list of diseases but not such as AIDS, Alzheimer
>    etc. Why because their lifestyle was healthy and did not require any stress
>    management.

>    5.
>
>    There *is* no change in the number of planets as did with our lovely

>    Pluto (if I am correct)

>    6.

>
>    Without any telescopes of other sophisticated instruments, ancient
>    Indians calculated the planetary moments and eclipses even after years to
>    come.
>
>  Here my point is their daily, physical, medical, societal and family needs
> were different. In such a situation, it is wrong to argue that why have not
> they mentioned about mundane sciences. People believe that during 2060s
> robots may doing the routine works done by humans. If the forthcoming
> generations blame our coveted scientists 'why Charles Babbage or someone
> else did not invent robots', what could we say? I don't want to discuss the
> side effects of the scientific achievements such as atomic weapons, that
> will be off the track. You have asked Dr. Murty to show examples in
> cosmology, geology and biology. I firmly believe that Vaiseshika is the

> foundation of classical physics which has inspired from *nasadiiya sUkta*. A

> scientist in Hyderabad, sri CSR Prabhu is writing a book titled 'The Physics
> of Vaiseshika', which is going to published soon. Regarding geology,
> recently we have witnessed that how disastrous the 'tsunami' is. Had we have
> a hint of the forthcoming adversity, we could have avoided. I recollect a
> passage from an article that states the solution(s) in preventing the
> tsunami mentioned in Brihatsamhita. Forty days before the tsumani effect,
> the related geograhical area emits smoke/vapors in packets. The same will be
> reflected in the climate over there. Other scholars may provided more
> pointed reference to the same. I don't know whether I can relate Ayurveda

> with biology or not, but I do now. *“Chandogyopanishad recognizes three

> cosmic elements. Water, Heat, and Earth being essentials required for a good
> crop. Then if such a cosmology as model, the medicine-man established three
> factors essential to human life. Air, Heat and Water. These constitute the

> humours of tirudosha doctrine with vata, pitta and kapha.”* There is a

> discussion in Charaka, Sushruta and Ashtanga hrdayam of the microbiology.
> They mentioned twenty types of microbes classified external and internal.
> The microbes are generated in blood, phlegm and faeces. They said about

> their size also without using any instruments. *Also, I feel, the modern
> medicine did not reach the heights of the concept on the **tridosha doctrine
> prevalent in Ayurveda. *

>
>  And I wonder why don't you speak about the Indian advancements in
> Linguistics as is said by Prof. Patnaik? Is your scope of achievements in
> science is such narrow? I quote Prof. VVS Sarma 'there are limitations for
> science also'.
>
> Thanks,
> Prasad
>

> ...
>
> read more »

[JSRA Prasad]

You may correct up to some extent. They not only imagined the pushpaka but they built and
drove it. Bharadwaja's vimanas sastra (amsubodhini) states how to design the metals to prepare
the machines, the scientist whom I mentioned earlier is working for the past twenty years on the same. One can directly contact him at d...@ap.nic.in

I don't think science could have contributed in preventing invasions. Since, we Indians are very tolerant and open minded. Our feeling towards others is 'vasudhaiva kutumbakam' (universal family). I don't think Yudhishthira should be blamed for his tolerance towards his cousins. More than science, there are political and democratical factors influenced the numbness of the Indians. I am also patriotic like you. But when you are more religious or open minded, how would you want blood-shed? I am only analysing the situation but not supporting the colonialism or muslim ruling.

As far as I am concerned, we, in our University department, have planned to collect scientific manuscripts to interpret and publsih them.

[sadasivamurty rani]

Dear Prasad ji! The treatise about Aeronautics is not "Amsubodhini" as you have stated.  I shall tell what it is. The sage Bharadvaja wrote a Grand Text by name Brhad Yantra Sarvasa in 96 Adhikaranas. It is a Volumenous text as its name does stand. Its 40 Adhikarana is known as "VAIMAANIKAADHIKARANA".  This 40 Adhikarana i.e. Vaimaanikadhikarana only is now available in our country in two editions. 1.South Indian Edition. 2. North Indian Edition. Both the Editions are available with me in my personal collection. "Amsubodhini Tantra" is the name of a Text on the study of Electricity referred in this Text. Any how it is very much interesting to learn that your University is in its efforts to scientific treatises.  I congratualte your team. Best wishes, Dr. Rani Sadasiva Murty --- On Fri, 3/13/09, JSRA Prasad <jsrap...@gmail.com> wrote:

[mukund wadekar]

Dear sir,
Our library has this book with Bhodhanand's commentaryu and Hindi translation.We have Manuscript aslo of this work.I can give exact details if needed. I have also written several articles on vedesu vijnanam. My articles - Aspects of Microbilogy in the Atharvaveda, Some aspects of Vastusastra in the Vedas -(contains refences to Vimana-aeroplane  in Rgveda).More details or even article can be sent if needed. My article -Sulka Yajurveda and Science is also published. Dr.S.R. Sharma has written articles on Scientific Astronomical intruments .
M.L.Wadekar,
Professor,
Offg.Director,
Oriental isntitute,
M.s.Uni.of Baroda,
Vadodara 390001
 

---

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:52:59 -0700
From: ranisada...@yahoo.com

[sadasivamurty rani]

Prof. Mukunda Wadekar Ji! Namaste! Suprabhatam. You are right sir! Yours is the right source for this Vimana sastra.  As you said it is with the Bodhananda Yati's Vritti and also with Hindi Translation.  As you said its source manuscript is available in Baroda only. Glad to meet you Sir! I am also very happy to learn about your efforts in bringing out the scientific content in Sanskrit Literature. Your articles are of a great improtance in the modern times. It is a thing of great pleasure to learn about you.  Namaste. Regards, Dr. Rani Sadasiva Murty --- On Fri, 3/13/09, mukund wadekar <mlwade...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[nastikashiromani]

If our ancestors had actually built puspaka rathas then why are there
no evidence of their fragments at least?
If only Indra used it why only one?

So even after having the most detailed instructions this scientist
could not build another puspaka ratha even after 20 years? Is he ever
going to finish it?

What does our tolerance have to do with Islamic invasions? Take a look
at actual history --- muslim invaders were deeply hated and kings who
defeated them praised. Hell, there was even a crisis in belief that
how could Hindu gods let these things happen! Where was all this
family feeling when we insisted that even the touch of a muslim was
polluting?
Babar used cannon --- where were Hindu defences against it?

How would I want bloodshed? Easily --- they want my blood for refusing
to concede Islam's superiority; they carry off my family to slavery;
they rape captured women: all justified causes for violence.

On Mar 13, 8:37 pm, JSRA Prasad <jsrapra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You may correct up to some extent. They not only imagined the pushpaka but
> they built and

> drove it. Bharadwaja's vimanas sastra (*amsubodhini*) states how to design

> the metals to prepare
> the machines, the scientist whom I mentioned earlier is working for the past
> twenty years on the same. One can directly contact him at d...@ap.nic.in
>
> I don't think science could have contributed in preventing invasions. Since,
> we Indians are very tolerant and open minded. Our feeling towards others is

> '*vasudhaiva kutumbakam*' (universal family). I don't think Yudhishthira

> should be blamed for his tolerance towards his cousins. More than science,
> there are political and democratical factors influenced the numbness of the
> Indians. I am also patriotic like you. But when you are more religious or
> open minded, how would you want blood-shed? I am only analysing the
> situation but not supporting the colonialism or muslim ruling.
>
> As far as I am concerned, we, in our University department, have planned to
> collect scientific manuscripts to interpret and publsih them.
>

> ...
>
> read more »

[nastikashiromani]

Dear Sir,
can you please send me by email your paper on microbiology in
Atharvaveda?

On Mar 13, 9:30 pm, mukund wadekar <mlwadekar2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dear sir,
>
> Our library has this book with Bhodhanand's commentaryu and Hindi translation.We have Manuscript aslo of this work.I can give exact details if needed. I have also written several articles on vedesu vijnanam. My articles - Aspects of Microbilogy in the Atharvaveda, Some aspects of Vastusastra in the Vedas -(contains refences to Vimana-aeroplane  in Rgveda).More details or even article can be sent if needed. My article -Sulka Yajurveda and Science is also published. Dr.S.R. Sharma has written articles on Scientific Astronomical intruments .
>
> M.L.Wadekar,
>
> Professor,
>
> Offg.Director,
>
> Oriental isntitute,
>
> M.s.Uni.of Baroda,
>
> Vadodara 390001
>

> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:52:59 -0700

> From: ranisadasivamu...@yahoo.com

> Subject: Re: a question
> To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com
>
> Dear Prasad ji!
> The treatise about Aeronautics is not "Amsubodhini" as you have stated.  I shall tell what it is. The sage Bharadvaja wrote a Grand Text by name Brhad Yantra Sarvasa in 96 Adhikaranas. It is a Volumenous text as its name does stand. Its 40 Adhikarana is known as "VAIMAANIKAADHIKARANA".  This 40 Adhikarana i.e. Vaimaanikadhikarana only is now available in our country in two editions. 1.South Indian Edition. 2. North Indian Edition.
> Both the Editions are available with me in my personal collection. "Amsubodhini Tantra" is the name of a Text on the study of Electricity referred in this Text.
> Any how it is very much interesting to learn that your University is in its efforts to scientific treatises.  I congratualte your team.
> Best wishes,
> Dr. Rani Sadasiva Murty
>

> --- On Fri, 3/13/09, JSRA Prasad <jsrapra...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> From: JSRA Prasad <jsrapra...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: a question
> To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 9:07 PM
>
> You may correct up to some extent. They not only imagined the pushpaka but they built and
> drove it. Bharadwaja's vimanas sastra (amsubodhini) states how to design the metals to prepare
> the machines, the scientist whom I mentioned earlier is working for the past twenty years on the same. One can directly contact him at d...@ap.nic.in
>
> I don't think science could have contributed in preventing invasions. Since, we Indians are very tolerant and open minded. Our feeling towards others is 'vasudhaiva kutumbakam' (universal family). I don't think Yudhishthira should be blamed for his tolerance towards his cousins. More than science, there are political and democratical factors influenced the numbness of the Indians. I am also patriotic like you. But when you are more religious or open minded, how would you want blood-shed? I am only analysing the situation but not supporting the colonialism or muslim ruling.
>
> As far as I am concerned, we, in our University department, have planned to collect scientific manuscripts to interpret and publsih them.
>

> ...
>
> read more »

[sadasivamurty rani]

Prof. Mukund Wadekar Ji! The presently avaialable Vimana Sastram of Bharadwaja is known to be a part of his Brhadyantra Sarvasvam. You have mentioned that the manuscript is available in Baroda. Is the Manuscript consisting of total BRHADYANTRA SARVASVA or The Vaimanikaadhikarana Part only?  Pl. oblige us with the information. Regards, Dr. Rani Sadasiva Murty

--- On Fri, 3/13/09, mukund wadekar <mlwade...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[Dipak Bhattacharya]

Colleagues may forgive some self-propaganda that cannot be avoided if some new information has to be inserted here. Long time ago (1994) a paper by me on Atharvavedic treatment particularly the theory of microbes in it and its system-relation to Saankhya and Aayurveda was published in Calcutta. Later a more comprehensive study that included also the system-relation of Atharvavedic treatment to the Tantras was published in 2006. But this latter one is in Bengali. DB

--- On Sat, 14/3/09, nastikashiromani <lokay...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: nastikashiromani <lokay...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: a question To: "भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्" <bvpar...@googlegroups.com>

Date: Saturday, 14 March, 2009, 7:51 AM

Dear Sir, can you please send me by email your paper on microbiology in Atharvaveda? On Mar 13, 9:30 pm, mukund wadekar <mlwadekar2...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Dear sir, > > Our library has this book with Bhodhanand's commentaryu and Hindi translation.We have Manuscript aslo of this work.I can give exact details if needed. I have also written several articles on vedesu vijnanam. My articles - Aspects of Microbilogy in the Atharvaveda, Some aspects of Vastusastra in the Vedas -(contains refences to Vimana-aeroplane  in Rgveda).More details or even article can be sent if needed. My article -Sulka Yajurveda and Science is also published. Dr.S.R. Sharma has written articles on Scientific Astronomical intruments . > > M.L.Wadekar, > > Professor, > > Offg.Director, > > Oriental isntitute, > > M.s.Uni.of Baroda, > > Vadodara 390001 >

> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:52:59 -0700

> From: ranisadasivamu...@yahoo.com

> Subject: Re: a question > To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com > > Dear Prasad ji! > The treatise about Aeronautics is not "Amsubodhini" as you have stated.  I shall tell what it is. The sage Bharadvaja wrote a Grand Text by name Brhad Yantra Sarvasa in 96 Adhikaranas. It is a Volumenous text as its name does stand. Its 40 Adhikarana is known as "VAIMAANIKAADHIKARANA".  This 40 Adhikarana i.e. Vaimaanikadhikarana only is now available in our country in two editions. 1.South Indian Edition. 2. North Indian Edition. > Both the Editions are available with me in my personal collection. "Amsubodhini Tantra" is the name of a Text on the study of Electricity referred in this Text. > Any how it is very much interesting to learn that your University is in its efforts to scientific treatises.  I congratualte your team. > Best wishes, > Dr. Rani Sadasiva Murty >

> --- On Fri, 3/13/09, JSRA Prasad <jsrapra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: JSRA Prasad <jsrapra...@gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: a question > To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 9:07 PM > > You may correct up to some extent. They not only imagined the pushpaka but they built and > drove it. Bharadwaja's vimanas sastra (amsubodhini) states how to design the metals to prepare > the machines, the scientist whom I mentioned earlier is working for the past twenty years on the same. One can directly contact him at d...@ap.nic.in > > I don't think science could have contributed in preventing invasions. Since, we Indians are very tolerant and open minded. Our feeling towards others is 'vasudhaiva kutumbakam' (universal family). I don't think Yudhishthira should be blamed for his tolerance towards his cousins. More than science, there are political and democratical factors influenced the numbness of the Indians. I am also patriotic like you. But when you are more religious or open minded, how would you want blood-shed? I am only analysing the situation but not supporting the colonialism or muslim ruling. > > As far as I am concerned, we, in our University department, have planned to collect scientific manuscripts to interpret and publsih them. >

> ... > > read more » Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

[sadasivamurty rani]

Yes  Dipak Bhattacharya Sir! Contributions of this kind elevate the reputation of the field of our Sanskrit. Whatever contribution we offer I personally feel tht it should prove the relevance of Sanskrit in the Modern world.  Then the world will welcome us with amicable hands.  So sir! Thanks and Pranams to your illustrious work. Regards, Dr. Rani Sadasiva Murty --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Dipak Bhattacharya <dbhattac...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

[mukund wadekar]

Dr.Rani Sadsiva Murty,
Thanks  for your query. Our Manuscript is entitled -Vaimanikaprakaranam -savrtti-vrtti by Bodhananda .It is from Yantrasarvasva.It thus contains Vaimanika section only with commentary and not the complete Yantrasarvasvam.
Thanks
M.L.Wadekar
 

---

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:55:39 -0700
From: ranisada...@yahoo.com

[mukund wadekar]

Dear sir ,
Thanks for appreciaation and interest. I will find out the soft copy from my C.D. collection and send you my article on Microbiology within one or two dyas.
M.L.Wadekar
 
> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:21:58 -0700
> Subject: Re: a question
> From: lokay...@gmail.com
> To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com

[JSRA Prasad]

Thanks for correcting me sir! It is interesting to note that you possess both the editions.
We seek help from scholars like you in our pursuits. Thank you.

Prasad

[JSRA Prasad]

On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:39 AM, nastikashiromani <lokay...@gmail.com> wrote:

If our ancestors had actually built puspaka rathas then why are there
no evidence of their fragments at least?
If only Indra used it why only one?

That was only a theoretical answer. I don't want to argue on an empty ground as there is no
concrete evidence for the statement.
 

So even after having the most detailed instructions this scientist
could not build another puspaka ratha even after 20 years? Is he ever
going to finish it?

You were asking has anyone working in this regard? When we show someone concerned, what
left is finding fault in him/her. As Dr. Murty stated vimanasastra is a part of a big book and now,
that part only is available. Sanskritists have to help such people who work off the job. Helping
hands are better than praying lips.
 

Where was all this
family feeling when we insisted that even the touch of a muslim was
polluting?

 

this point is off the context which ignites the contreversial issue on castism.

 

Babar used cannon --- where were Hindu defences against it?

I don't know what to answer

[JSRA Prasad]

Dear Sir,

Thanks for the information. One of my student is working for his topic "Microbiology in Sanskrit Literature: With Special Emphasis on Fermentation Process". If you can kindly share your article
that would be a great help for the student. My address is given at the signature.

Prasad

[B.N. Patnaik]

Dear Scholars,

About whether there existed a puspaka ratha (which corresponds in some
respects to the present-day airplanes)or not, I have the following to
submit.

A technological artifact is the result of a particular application of a
certain body of knowledge. We have an airplane because there exists a
certain body of scientific knowledge in this domain, and there also exists
a certain technology that makes use of it to build a plane.

The question is, did we have these knowledges (scientific and
technological)or comparable alternative knowledges (in these specific
domains) in ancient India? If they did, in what form were they expressed?
What phenomena did they predict, etc? - the usual scientific questions.

If it can be demonstrated that the relevant knowledges existed, then it is
quite possible that puspak ratha indeed existed. For this specific purpose
I am not really so concerned about why there was only one and not many,
although this may not be an insignificant question.

Demonstaring the existence of the relevant knowledges to the satisfaction
of the present day scientific community may be a hard, a very hard, task,
but may be well worth doing, since that's the most persuasive way, as far
as I can see, to show that puspaka ratha really existed.

With best regards,
Sincerely,
B.N.Patnaik

--
Retired Professor of English and Linguistics
Indian Institute of Technology Kanpur

Current address:
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[S P Narang]

All! There is no doubt that Indians had evolved a good system of medicine particularly with regards to Vanaspati. In modern times, these herbs or material medica is less identified. The result is that we cannot heal the diseases. Filliozat J tried to identify these and so many works published by Govt of India and individuals. It is very necessary that these herbs are re-interpreted and re-identified with modern pharmocopia so that they can be used with profit. The botanical names are given by dictionaries e.g. MWD. Even the authorities in Botany cannot immediately identify the medicines and it is put in the circuit of controversies. This forum can help to identify along with continuity of their use particularly in living system. spnaang

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From: sadasivamurty rani <ranisada...@yahoo.com>
To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:39:44 AM
Subject: Re: a question

[nastikashiromani]

Indeed.
And that is why I keep asking for EVIDENCE
Read out parts of literature the ancients knew scientific principles
and how to apply them to build machines.
Dig up parts of such machines.

> ...
>
> read more »

[mukund wadekar]

Dear sir,
I could find my article in soft copy but it  is in Shree joo diacritical fonts and Sanskrit in Shusha 05 font. I donot have the Sanskrit  font in my computer. The paper will not readble without fonts. It is published in the journal Vedic vision,Janu.March 2007  Isue, New Delhi. and Bhauddhik sampada,34th Issue,February 2008 Nagpur.I am however sending the copy as it is.
Thanks.
M.L.Wadekar
 

---

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:13:26 +0530
Subject: Re: a question
From: jsrap...@gmail.com
To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com

[JSRA Prasad]

Dear Sir,
Thanks a lot. I'll try to read the paper using referred fonts.
I appreciate your kind gesture.

Sincerely,
Prasad

[S P Narang]

Dear Wadekar, Thanks for the paper. Can you clarify what is the approach of analysis of the AV and modern Microbiology? Both try to dissect the insects. Modern science has a lot of apparatus particularly in the Computer Age. Is the type similar or dissimilar? Do they analyze the body of the fungii etc. Or they analyze only the morphological structure or activities. If not very inconvenient, please try to clarify a bit more. Can it be applied to diseases more profitably? Any person working on Microbiology may also explain. Some technical words of the AV may be explained more to come to a particular conclusion to understand it better. A few scholars had been doing it to the structure of the trees. It is the time when we can evolve a unicode system for better understanding. Regards, spnarang

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From: mukund wadekar <mlwade...@hotmail.com>
To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com
Cc: mukund wadekar <mlwade...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:20:45 PM
Subject: RE: Atharvaveda andd Microbiology

[mukund wadekar]

Dear sir,
Thanks for response.In fact, I frankly admit that  I am not a science scholar and I am Sanskritist. In my article,I have tried to compare two in some respects on the basis of information ,collected from internet. Scientist and Sanskritist should work together for further investigation and application.
M.L.Wadekar

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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:39:16 -0700
From: spna...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Atharvaveda andd Microbiology
To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com

[Ravi Sharma]

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[mukund wadekar]

Dear sir,
I will like to know more details like author,Publisher,distributor,price etc. about the book.
M.L.wadekar
 

---

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:59:40 +0530
From: ravisha...@yahoo.in
Subject: publication news
To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com

[S P Narang]

None of the texts mention the principles. If it was available, it is lost. in a few conferences, scholars asserting to have the knowledge of the system, failed to demonstrate even a single part of what they the science. The depiction of the system appears to be a semi-imaginative technique which blends the cart-framing system of the 17th century. It is wonderful to depict the contraction and expansion of the plane; concealing it in the darkness of smoke etc. Any person who can explain will be great. what metal; how to generate smoke; what are the Kiilakas, how does it fly; why the manual bells? If technique is available, it can be used in modern technology and that shall be the contribution of India. Any person: claiming knowledge should explain. that is a modest request in the interest of highlighting the knowledge of India. Regards to all. spnarang

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