How to increase iq and how to become more intelligent in mathematic (at university in general)

[Alex]

Hey,

i want to list up some options or possibilities to increase iq. Before i have made some interventions, i took a professional iq test by a psychologist, and scored between 100-110.
(numeric reasoning, verbal anologies and visual spatial problems)

- dual n back: i have tried it since 2 years now, but i dont see any improvement in mathematics or comprehending relationsship and translate it into mathematical formulas
such as to solve easy up to complex, but also new problems, like questioned in selfassessments tests (for example SAT), exspecially the mathematic ones.

- Relational frame theory: for such a few weeks i have tried the on raiseyouriq.com the braintraining (combined with dual n back for 3-4 weeks) which should improve iq dramatically, but here, also i cant see any improvements, because i have taken two valid online test for fee online after completing the 70 stages: the SPM (Ravens Standard Progressive Matrice) and the giqtest.com, but scored the same in the intervall from 100 to 110 (107 full scale, and performance subtest: 116, verbal: 100) by the giq.test. Only the RPM score seems to be fake, because i scored up to 137 (which should be alike the performance score on the giq.test), which seems to be due to the fact, that i have used plenty matrice tests before, so that the iq improvement seems to be not realistic, since the the iqtest.dk have 80 % the same logical problems to solve and other ones, too.

- Brain entrainment: I have tried it with meditation, but there are no improvements to see, because i have used now for years different brainwavestates, using alpha, theta, delta and also epsilon brainwave, gamma... so on. I also wanted to improve on my emotional/ character, to be more stabil and loose anxiety, but with less success, as i can observe.

- Nutrition and sport: I also eat healthy, for example fish, take vitamins ( by eating vegetables and fruits), and went for long time to the gym, but nevetheless, it doesnt affect on intelligence.

additional i have played chess and i have started to do it with more effort again to improve strategical and logical thinking (relational skills)

Is there any scientific, valid way to increase iq or are these intervention all fails because of the lack of  good designed experiments? i know that there is no evidence that braintraining in generall works, thats why i have tried a lot more than dual n back. But i have now given up hope. Sorry for my english its not my native language. Any others tipps to improve, with more scientific background than dual n back and the relational frame theory braintraining?

best wishes,

alex

additional infromation:

Tests before intervention:

- a professional iq test (Ist Struktur 2000 test which is similiar to wechsler adult test, with verbal and non verbal problems) = 100-110
- Selfassessmentcenter tests, from University Aachen (you can google testmaker Aachen University, maybe there is an english version test) alike SAT you can prove verbal abilities for different subjects and specification. http://www.rwth-aachen.de/cms/root/Studium/Vor-dem-Studium/Studienentscheidung/~eft/SelfAssessments/lidx/1/
-matrice dk.test= 108 (first time)


Tests after intervention:

- giq.com test, which is a valid one (General intelligence) = in line with the IST STRUKTUR test results, even if the culture backgrounds should be mentioned by the verbal problems at all
- RPM online = illusionary score, doesnt fit wth real success (Maybe because the iqtest.dk is 80 % the same)
- Retook Selfassessemen tests ( even though the logical reasoning to see whether i had improved by the relational frame training) = in line with the result before i have done intervention to improve intelligence.

[Brain Train]

check posit science website for possibilities... research data.

there is a tone based exercise which i found very effective in improving word recall during conversations which led to improvement in fluency.

suggest you to read a book: The Brain that changes itself by Norman Dodge

it will help you understand what kind of improvements are possible. it has amazing cases of recovery, improvement. 

to me it looks like, all these helps are great primarily for someone with serious deficits. normal people may not get much from these trainings. So, if you want to benefit from these trainings, first try to figure out area of weakness and then train your brain for that specific area. general training may be a waste of time.

other advice is to find your area of strength... and try to exploit that (because there you may be already above average).

On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Alex <ale...@hotmail.de> wrote:

Hey,

i want to list up some options or possibilities to increase iq. Before i have made some interventions, i took a professional iq test by a psychologist, and scored between 100-110.
(numeric reasoning, verbal anologies and visual spatial problems)

- dual n back: i have tried it since 2 years now, but i dont see any improvement in mathematics or comprehending relationsship and translate it into mathematical formulas
such as to solve easy up to complex, but also new problems, like questioned in selfassessments tests (for example SAT), exspecially the mathematic ones.

- Relational frame theory: for such a few weeks i have tried the on raiseyouriq.com the braintraining (combined with dual n back for 3-4 weeks) which should improve iq dramatically, but here, also i cant see any improvements, because i have taken two valid online test for fee online after completing the 70 stages: the SPM (Ravens Standard Progressive Matrice) and the giq-test.com, but scored the same in the intervall from 100 to 110 (107 full scale, and performance subtest: 116, verbal: 100) by the giq.test. Only the RPM score seems to be fake, because i scored up to 137 (which should be alike the performance score on the giq.test), which seems to be due to the fact, that i have used plenty matrice tests before, so that the iq improvement seems to be not realistic, since the the iqtest.dk have 80 % the same logical problems to solve and other ones, too.

- Brain entrainment: I have tried it with meditation, but there are no improvements to see, because i have used now for years different brainwavestates, using alpha, theta, delta and also epsilon brainwave, gamma... so on. I also wanted to improve on my emotional/ character, to be more stabil and loose anxiety, but with less success, as i can observe.

- Nutrition and sport: I also eat healthy, for example fish, take vitamins ( by eating vegetables and fruits), and went for long time to the gym, but nevetheless, it doesnt affect on intelligence.

additional i have played chess and i have started to do it with more effort again to improve strategical and logical thinking (relational skills)

Is there any scientific, valid way to increase iq or are these intervention all fails because of the lack of  good designed experiments? i know that there is no evidence that braintraining in generall works, thats why i have tried a lot more than dual n back. But i have now given up hope. Sorry for my english its not my native language. Any others tipps to improve, with more scientific background than dual n back and the relational frame theory braintraining?

best wishes,

alex

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[Brain Train]

correction in author name: Norman Doidge, (not Dodge)

[Gloomy Moonie]

Regarding n'back - I don't mean to come across as intrusive, but to properly assess the effort you've invested in it, do you mind elaborating a bit on your progress?

What level did you begin with, and what was your highest? Which one did you stabilize/plateau at?

[maxim...@gmail.com]

Hi Alex,

I was wondering if you could formally/strictly define your goal? From your post it sounds like it may be a combination of improve your iq score on tests of non verbal intelligence and improving your mathematical abilities so that you perform better in college math classes?

[Alex]

@ all,

thank you for your advices regarding improving cognitive abilities. My aim was to become more intelligent throughout using technologies like braintraining programs.
I am a student on a college (university) and i study business administration (german University). My problems in math subjects causes a lots of struggle, so that the exams becomes very difficult for me. With the dual n back and relational frame training i hoped that i could be more intelligent in solving for example mathematical problems, like questioned in exams, but as i can observe, the training does not lead to improvement in general intelligence. During my schooltime i was really good at math and physics (maybe because of intrinsic motivation, which also was critical for good grades), but at college i have a lots of problems regarding this issue and i have to learn a lot for exams, to pass with bad grades, hopefully. In my country there arent any entrance tests (like SAT), which seems for me plausible to use these tests for a better selfwareness regarding strenghts and weeknes areas. Some University offers free selfassessments tests, but i dont took them seriously, even if i had done bad on math, because i was primed by earlier success at school and on my false selfawareness regarding cognitive abilities,

In conclusion i am not interested in any iq number, but interested in real iq gains. I dont mind if i had an iq 100-110, if i could do better in exams, without causing unatural stress. I have a lots of problems in filtering the relevant from the non relevant information like questioned in mathematics subject, or iq test. In my opinion the figural questions are not difficult, because one can become an expert by training matrice problems, but not in solving verbal, mathematical relationsships at all, thats why gc is maybe not improveable in compare to gf.


Dual n back (Brainworkshop and highiqpro.software): I had achieved the 5-6 Level, sometimes i reached even the 7 level, but at the most time on 5 to 6.  I had spent a lot of time to become more intelligent, even my motivation was on top, so that i can conclude, that my motivation was the highest and critical factor, that i am holding on, by keeping the head up and go on further to see any possibility to increase this top ressource. At least i have combined the dual n back training as i mentioned with the relational frame training. The funny part of this is that retook a verbal logic tests (Selfassessment test from the University to see if my logical thinking had become better as observed on the relational frame training, almost the same like on the raiseyouriq.com site), and i failed in compare to others students significantly, even if i had learned to do theses kinds of logical problems on the raiseyouriq.com site, with only a different by answering the question with three options; true, untrue and equivocal to the statement, instead only of true and untrue answer options, like questioned by the brain-behavioral-training program.

I have done a lots of efforts to overcome natural limits, which are given by the nature, because in my opinion, after i had completed these intervention, i understood that intelligence is at most a genetical factor (50-80%) and by age it becomes more difficult to develop tools to overcome these limits, thats why i think that children and people with real deficits can profit from brain training at all, but not as you mentioned, the average ones.

Beste wishes,

alex

[Pontus Granström]

I scored 51 at raiseyouriq what is Your score?

[Alex]

hey,

on the pre assessment test i have scored 50, and on the post assessment test 54.
To the test i should be above average, but i dont give any credit on this, because the reality shows me a different picture.

[Pontus Granström]

Ok and  fluid score?

Den 5 apr 2015 15:06 skrev "Alex" <ale...@hotmail.de>:

Hey,

the first time i scored 50 and after completing 54.

[Alex]

I dont really know exactly, because i have done the training only for one month and i cannot see my fully report on the score anymore
But i guess 133, so on..

[maxim...@gmail.com]

It sounds like what's most important to you is improving your performance on mathematics coursework and exams in the context of your business administration studies. I think that can be accomplished. I've started working on a project to help people accomplish this exact thing.

As an aside, my hunch is that studies tend to show lack of connection between brain training and "general intelligence" because general intelligence is actually the product of many abilities. However, since it sounds like whats most important to you is strong grades in mathematics courses for the specific kind of mathematics that you are studying, I think you could likely accomplish this by focusing on the right things. 

[Alex]

Hey,

yes, i want to improve my mathematical abilities to be more successful with my study.
A friend of mine dont need to learn as much as i do, he passes the exams without doing big efforts and he is able to accomplish
a lot more exams pro semester, so that he got finished in time with his bachelor. I dont think that he is highly gifted, but i guess he is
above average, because science shows that intelligence people got through exams even with lesser effort and even so with lesser interests in subjects,
because interests and intelligence dont have to be go hand in hand. Most people go to university because they want to earn more money later,
so it is not at all an intrinsic motivation, instead more over an extrinsic motivation.

I am really frustrated because i kow that this is due fact that i am less intelligent. It is said that an iq above 115 is need to become graduated,
and i think hat mathematical skills, where you have to combine, filtering and process information throughout knowledge is a specific
intellligence component, regarding the aspect of working memomry and fluid intelligence (logical deduction) and the knowledge (learnstuff)
to solve them. I think that on college you need at most and as a critical factor a high intelligence, disciplin and motivation have only a big variance
at schoolsuccess, because there you compensate intelligence with some effort and discipline, but not a college, where you have to transfer and solve abstract problems a bit more than at schooltime.

I have aslo to agree, that my emotional situation is indeed worse than ever, because a lots of evironmental problems impacts on my
exams outcomes, which have in a common sense its final word on it. I would agree that under good condition, maybe, i could do better
and do more, but my lifesituation got sinced,i have begun with my study, a bit more complicated, what social problems and bad friends or people around me regards.
But i cant point them out, because of private terms.

Only to figure my situation out: lesser motivation (i am aware of my situation and that i am less inteligent) + less iq (not above average)+ more social problems then ever = bad exams outcome.

When all is said and done there is nothing one can do... seems that this statement has never lost its credibility! no one can shift the strong paradigma that intelligence is up to 80 % related to its genetic resources.

In my opinion to be successfull you need good resources, thats why i am stating that a stabil, emotional character and high intellectual potencial is needed to become
indepedent and to generate somehow a better lifequality in a competive society, where the rules or principes of equivalence is on top. Only the best one, got the bests.
I needed a lot of time to understand these principes, because i thought that everyone can achieve everything with effort. But a good looking and intelligent man is able to
to go after and provide his interests, and win the game, instead of being a looser, who always fights to accomplish, what someone else has from his natural perspective.
Only if there is a looser, there can be a winner (think about it), theoretically, even if there is a win and win situation for all, there is always a big winner who wins the jackpot. Everything is in balance and it depends on fortune somehow, because no one really can choose his intelligence, appearance or family you have been grown up. We love the inequality, because we can separate and differ from another, to say: im the best, and only the best earns the best.
the looser standing small and has to fall and could never get what is inequal to their resouces.

For example: A not so good looking, poor and weak man has not the natural right to marry a princess.
And if so, the consequences are worse than ever for both.
The neanderthaler were even selcted throughout evolution, because the human were smarter to betray them-
But are the human better, because of this resource?

Why do People love idols, and want to become a prince or princess? Why do we value people, who are very smart and beautiful,
and not the one, who are not so good looking and dumb one? Why do we like hard and strong actor like Bruce Willis?
Why do we ant to be alike Spiderman, when he was spiderman and not before his transformation? Why is the woman not
got in loved with him before his transformation?

because spiderman is an idol, and he has super resources!


The nature selects, so the the scoiety does, because everything is part of the nature.
And no one want to be the weak or selected part of it.


best wishes,

alex

[Brain Train]

It is difficult to figure out the key bottleneck you have. that is important to be figured out. Because it needs to be specifically targeted. General brain training may not do much good (as you also have already seen)

I would suggest an exercise book:

author: Ryuta Kawashima

Train Your Brain: 60 Days to a Better Brain

This is not very costly also. There are few exercises to check the existing mental performance and to track the improvements made after carrying out the suggested exercises in the book.

you may use those benchmarking exercises for yourself as well as for your friends.. just to see if there is some big difference in performance.

exercises to be carried out on daily basis are ultra-simple and take just few minutes. but here i am not suggesting you to do that... it's your choice. My point is to benchmark yourself against your friends, so that you can see if there is some really big difference.

if you find out big difference than more investigation may be needed, to find out exact causes and to address those deficits.

else it may be something which is not related to performance of your brain- like poor base from previous classes, gaps in understanding at more fundamental level/basic level. In lower classes, student get through even when they don't understand fundamental aspects very well (just by memorising the answers), but it causes problems later on when this lack of basic understanding or poor learning style becomes a real hurdle.

-bt

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Alex <ale...@hotmail.de> wrote:

Hey,

yes, i want to improve my mathematical abilities to be more successful with my study.
A friend of mine dont need to learn as much as i do, he passes the exams without doing big efforts and he is able to accomplish
a lot more exams pro semester, so that he got finished in time with his bachelor. I dont think that he is highly gifted, but i guess he is
above average, because science shows that intelligence people got through exams even with lesser effort and even so with lesser interests in subjects,
because interests and intelligence dont have to be go hand in hand. Most people go to university because they want to earn more money later,
so it is not at all an intrinsic motivation, instead more over an extrinsic motivation.

I am really frustrated because i kow that this is due fact that i am less intelligent. It is said that an iq above 115 is need to become graduated,
and i think hat mathematical skills, where you have to combine, filtering and process information throughout knowledge is a specific
intellligence component, regarding the aspect of working memomry and fluid intelligence (logical deduction) and the knowledge (learnstuff)
to solve them. I think that on college you need at most and as a critical factor a high intelligence, disciplin and motivation have only a big variance

at schoolsuccess, because there you compensate intelligence with some effort and discipline, but not a college, where you to transfer knowledge a bit more

than at schooltime.

I have aslo to agree, that my emotional situation is indeed worse than ever, because a lots of evironmental problems impacts on my
exams outcomes, which have in a common sense its final word on it. I would agree that under good condition, maybe, i could do better
and do more, but my lifesituation got sinced,i have begun with my study, a bit more complicated, what social problems and bad friends or people around me regards.
But i cant point them out, because of private terms.

Only to figure my situation out: lesser motivation ( i am aware of my situation and that i am less intillegent) + less iq (not above average)+ more social problems then ever = bad exams outcome.

When all is said and done there is nothing one can do... seems that this statement has never lost its credibility! no one can shift the strong paradigma that intelligence is up to 80 % related to its genetic resources.

In my opinion to be successfull you need good resources, thats why i am stating that a stabil, emotional character and high intellectual potencial is needed to become

indepedent and to generate somehow a better lifequality in a competive society, where there principe of equivalence is on top. Only the good one, got the goods.

[Brain Train]

one such test is time taken to count from 1 to 120.

and this you can carry out even without buying that book!

suggest to check your timing as well as your friends timings on this test.

-bt

[jttoto2]

Do you have the correct link to giqtest.com?  It seems to be broken. 

[Alex]

http://giqtest.com/

you sould try this one.

[αrgvmziΩ]

1) Assume someone is always watching what you say and do, 2) buy drugs from the black market through over 8000 proxies, 3) pray to whatever it is you pray to that you were born with self-perfecting genes, and 4) become a god.

Tough going, I admit. Send a pull request to your local godev and maybe you'll get that boost you always wanted!

In seriousness: excepting transhuman enhacements, all that is needed is due diligence to health and well being - and a thorough understanding of yourself as a finite being with quasi-liberating limitations. As for mathematics: avoid math teachers at all costs. And no, I.Q. cannot be increased, because it isn't even an intrinsic property, but rather an extrinsic measure of complex self-interaction within a given environment.

argumzio

[Alexandr Martynov]

What if just study and play with math. math and only math and nothing else) even dream about math. so brain will have no other choice than to adapt.

It will make you awkward at some other life aspects) but who cares)

But it's not for you, because if it was for you u wouldn't ask questions about IQ. Instead u think about some math problem that bothers u so much.

https://www.coursera.org/course/maththink

Could be helpful. Insistence may be more related to math success then working memory or speed of pattern recognition.

In long term cognitive speed not that important.

So actually trying to solve defined math problem probably much better for your math skills in the problem domain. Then playing with general math.

Some say that playing D2B what counts is your effort, not results) Maybe same thing applies to actual work. 

[Alex]

Hey,

thank you all again. Maybe i should concentrate more on the mathmatics problems or learn more to solve the problem questioned in exams.
I have to admit, that i am clinical depressed, and so i have more problems in solving my lifesproblems at all. I think that under good circumstances i could act more smarter, because motivation and disclipin do impact on exams outcomes, too. I know an experiment, in which financial problems do impact on iq dramatically (social problems in generall, here the link:  Mani A, Mullainathan S, Shafir E, Zhao J. (2013). Poverty impedes cognitive function. Science. 2013 Aug 30;341(6149):976-80. doi: 10.1126/science.1238041.) at all, thats why i agree with agumzio that intelligence is more complex to determinise, if i have understand you correctly.

I dont want to be perfect, but i am far away to be average, that is the main problem (because of my social status and migrant origine) . I dont want perfect human, but we live ultimately in a society, in which we were reduced to needed or not needed economic resources, to point out the aspect of your joke. I am not the supporter of a super society, where everyone has to be perfect or god like.

And even so, you cant deny the fact, that everyone has individual limits given by nature.
Because not everyone can be a genius, or be a well looking man. At most i am refering to the point, that no one can really demonstrate, that intelligence is
to significant degree improveable, even if working memory does (which the new meta analyses demonstrate)

best wishes at all,

alex

[jotaro]

DONT GET***

On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:06 PM, jotaro <craz...@gmail.com> wrote:

"but we live ultimately in a society, in which we were reduced to needed or not needed economic resources​"

you dont have to play this game and by its rulez.

do what ever u want.

seriously there alot of people who dont seem to give a crap, and there seem to be alot of people who dont care that those in sentence before

dont give a crap.

BY the way,if u are a 1 percent top in hotness as a woman u are not reduced to this but instead u use men to get what u want, untill u are 40 and ugly. so.

HOW SOCIETY BEHAVES, its a scam to force u to play the game, to suck more from u so it will go to those 1% rich.

those other 99 percent do get this ECONOMICAL VALUE FROM U.

anyway.

[jotaro]

[Alex]

hey,

at first i have to :D, second i am man, third i dont really get what your aim or problem is?
i just wanted some tipps to improve my mathmatical abilities or even my iq.
I have made some statements regarding my experiences, okay that might be somehow offtopic since this group
is about increasing iq (dual n back), so what? should i better say that everything is okay and that brain training works,
and that the American Dream is reality, and to say that impossible is nothing? no limits, no border?

Look i posted all my results regarding iq tests and shared a lot of links and also tipps,
others forms of braintraining and so on. Im not taking down the group themes at all, because
i have posted my pre and post results.

By the way everyone has to play by the rules because we are part of the game, you cant put yourself away from
the society, the society forms collectiv conscious, regarding roles and what they expect. Indirectly we are all
formed by social processes, by education at school, and others expectation, we  have to face with.
But if you have another opinion on this, so i accept this one.

Maybe i am to sceptic, sorry for that.

best wishes,

alex

[Alex]

And to put me in the range :D,

i am surely one the 99% who dont get that value from good looking women. They ignore me and if not, i and her will get some painfull hurts from jeaulous men,
who dont accept a looser with a hot woman. So in this case i am  also in line with the 99 % of men, if you think so.

Nevertheless thanks to all tipps, i have to look forward to find a creative solution.

[jotaro]

OK, but there are many "GAMES" you can play.

routes ,paths whatever.

what you cited is just one the "MAN" path aka working horse or slave what ever.

and no American dream is bullshit. as the one guy said

 u are a finite animal and know your limitations or something among those lines. lol. so. INCREASING INTELLIGENCE is quite the undertaking. though better define what intelligence means first .

[jotaro]

OK

i should clearify.

you shouldnt try to INCREASE INT

nor increase your mathematics ability.

because u have bigger problems

1)clinical depressed

2)maybe financial problems.?

and also

but we live ultimately in a society, in which we were reduced to needed or not needed economic resources

and

your depression

could very well have a link.

i mean those kind of tendencies could lead you astray and ultimately depressed. POTENTIALLY but i dont know u it just a POSSIBILITY.

so your first issue should be dealing with those things, not mathematics

or intelligence. this will come later, and would be impossible to tackle without dealing with those first.

[whoisbambam]

i feel if u practice a lot of math.....one would get better at math

[whoisbambam]

no need to apologize

being accepting and open-minded are important milestones/concepts.

there are all kinds of ways to get better at math.

khanacademy has some free stuff, but SAT word math problems and LSAT and GRE crititical thinking/logic questions may also help

even practicing iq tests might help if u can understand them

[whoisbambam]

maybe you should also check out the reddit forums

http://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics/

http://www.reddit.com/r/StackAdvice/

http://www.reddit.com/r/depression/

[Brain Train]

Depression makes the brain slow:

just few days back, i was searching for causes behind a slower brain. first thing i found is depression!

it increases the activity in limbic brain (emotional part of the brain) and reduces the activity in frontal lobes which are required for performing well on different IQ tests and brain training exercises (intelligence)!

sustained depression is seen to cause damage to hippocampus (which is responsible for 'long term memory' and many other things). multiple episodes which are treated quickly didn't show such damage.

So, treating depression is important (to protect brain / long term memory), and more so if you don't want a slow and poorly performing brain!

-bt

[whoisbambam]

true

nsi-189

[jotaro]

i have seen on longecity that nsi 189 have an effect but dont really increase neurogenesis  in hippocampus as it was first claim.

not sure what it does though and never tried it.

so he should solve his "life problems" first then come back here again later.

[whoisbambam]

longecity would not objectively 'know' that fact without brain scans

it has worked in humans as an antidepressant.......in clinical trials