School of phenomenal memory should I or shouldn't I?
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Lumos
Jun 3, 2010, 4:58:33 PM6/3/10
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Hey guys so I'm just wondering what you think of pmemory. This is what
I think of it. They basically use methods that I probably already
know, and that are found in books that have been out for decades.
However, what they offer that these books do not, is 60 hours of
deliberate practice. It sounds like each section is extremely focused,
comprehensive, and that there are instructors available to give you
feedback and provide insight into your progress. I think that is worth
the $300 price tag.
However, when I look at their testimonials I cringe a little. I expect
to see rave reviews coming from undergrads and grad students rather
than 40 year old "B2B" business people.
What do you guys think?
Also, shameless whoring here. Can any of you pememory alumni give me a
discount voucher or something if I do choose to enroll?
I think of it. They basically use methods that I probably already
know, and that are found in books that have been out for decades.
However, what they offer that these books do not, is 60 hours of
deliberate practice. It sounds like each section is extremely focused,
comprehensive, and that there are instructors available to give you
feedback and provide insight into your progress. I think that is worth
the $300 price tag.
However, when I look at their testimonials I cringe a little. I expect
to see rave reviews coming from undergrads and grad students rather
than 40 year old "B2B" business people.
What do you guys think?
Also, shameless whoring here. Can any of you pememory alumni give me a
discount voucher or something if I do choose to enroll?
Karl Smith
Jun 3, 2010, 5:06:02 PM6/3/10
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I've started pmemory and it requires allot of commitment. I don't actually think you can find the material from pmemory in books that have been out for decades. Some of it you obviously can, but, most of it you can't. Being able to remember things, move them around and delete them isn't something I've ever come across - I'm not saying it's not out there though.
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Joe G
Jun 3, 2010, 5:21:56 PM6/3/10
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Karl, when you finish the course please post your finding here. I am
very interested to see how many of pmemory's claims are legitimate.
On Jun 3, 10:06 pm, Karl Smith <defc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've started pmemory and it requires allot of commitment. I don't actually
> think you can find the material from pmemory in books that have been out for
> decades. Some of it you obviously can, but, most of it you can't. Being able
> to remember things, move them around and delete them isn't something I've
> ever come across - I'm not saying it's not out there though.
>
> > .
very interested to see how many of pmemory's claims are legitimate.
On Jun 3, 10:06 pm, Karl Smith <defc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've started pmemory and it requires allot of commitment. I don't actually
> think you can find the material from pmemory in books that have been out for
> decades. Some of it you obviously can, but, most of it you can't. Being able
> to remember things, move them around and delete them isn't something I've
> ever come across - I'm not saying it's not out there though.
>
> On 3 June 2010 21:58, Lumos <luminoustoronton...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hey guys so I'm just wondering what you think of pmemory. This is what
> > I think of it. They basically use methods that I probably already
> > know, and that are found in books that have been out for decades.
> > However, what they offer that these books do not, is 60 hours of
> > deliberate practice. It sounds like each section is extremely focused,
> > comprehensive, and that there are instructors available to give you
> > feedback and provide insight into your progress. I think that is worth
> > the $300 price tag.
>
> > However, when I look at their testimonials I cringe a little. I expect
> > to see rave reviews coming from undergrads and grad students rather
> > than 40 year old "B2B" business people.
>
> > What do you guys think?
>
> > Also, shameless whoring here. Can any of you pememory alumni give me a
> > discount voucher or something if I do choose to enroll?
>
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> > Hey guys so I'm just wondering what you think of pmemory. This is what
> > I think of it. They basically use methods that I probably already
> > know, and that are found in books that have been out for decades.
> > However, what they offer that these books do not, is 60 hours of
> > deliberate practice. It sounds like each section is extremely focused,
> > comprehensive, and that there are instructors available to give you
> > feedback and provide insight into your progress. I think that is worth
> > the $300 price tag.
>
> > However, when I look at their testimonials I cringe a little. I expect
> > to see rave reviews coming from undergrads and grad students rather
> > than 40 year old "B2B" business people.
>
> > What do you guys think?
>
> > Also, shameless whoring here. Can any of you pememory alumni give me a
> > discount voucher or something if I do choose to enroll?
>
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Karl Smith
Jun 3, 2010, 6:06:26 PM6/3/10
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There's about 60 lessons, each one takes about 2 hours and each lesson requires some intense visualisation and mental acrobatics. If there's anything that increases IQ out there, I really do think it's this sort of training (combined with n-back). People have reported all sorts of benefits from this training.
I will keep you posted, but I'm only on lesson 2, so don't hold your breath. :-)
I will keep you posted, but I'm only on lesson 2, so don't hold your breath. :-)
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sutur
Jun 4, 2010, 2:23:58 AM6/4/10
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I have read the introductory manual and am very skeptical of the
writing skills and the intellectual integrity of the author. He makes
many pseudo scientific claims and cites nothing. Also the author
doesn't respond very well to criticism - at least in the public forums
on the homepage: bad PR ;) That being said, I think most of the stuff
works simply because it has been around for centuries. The exercises
are nothing special and don't justify the price tag. Also I wouldn't
know what other services you get for your $300. I think it is a scam
because the author who wouldn't be able to write a coherent book about
the topic charges quite a sum for some badly written manuscripts. If
you still are skeptic, which I think is justified, there are ways to
check out the material beforehand ;) just google something like
'pmemory + torrent'.
writing skills and the intellectual integrity of the author. He makes
many pseudo scientific claims and cites nothing. Also the author
doesn't respond very well to criticism - at least in the public forums
on the homepage: bad PR ;) That being said, I think most of the stuff
works simply because it has been around for centuries. The exercises
are nothing special and don't justify the price tag. Also I wouldn't
know what other services you get for your $300. I think it is a scam
because the author who wouldn't be able to write a coherent book about
the topic charges quite a sum for some badly written manuscripts. If
you still are skeptic, which I think is justified, there are ways to
check out the material beforehand ;) just google something like
'pmemory + torrent'.
Karl Smith
Jun 4, 2010, 7:57:16 AM6/4/10
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He's from Belarus, so English is his second language. Sure be skeptical, but not at the expense of something that could benefit you. He's got videos on his website of him doing the things he claims pmemory wil teach you to do. I was initially skeptical, as his site seems like a cheesy sales page - but I really do think it's worth it. Each to their own I suppose.
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52cards
Jun 4, 2010, 9:35:54 AM6/4/10
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I'm going to vote NO on the course. Here are the reasons. The
website has a typical sales approach, and makes numerous claims and
promises. But some things are clear - consider the following. He is
correct to assert consider the brain as a muscle, which needs exercise
and possibly a trainer to effect improvement. But then he discounts
things such as memorizing decks of cards in favor of "real world
useful things like memorizing books".
But just as athletics competitions were and to some extent still are a
precursor to real life (and originally military) fitness requirements,
similarly N-back training is an abstraction of a problem set for which
prowess is allegedly applicable to real world problems. It is no
different with memory training using a deck of cards as a convenient
platform for that exercise.
Assuredly anyone who trains for 60 two hour periods will show some
improvement in the skills for which they engaged in the 60 training
sessions for.
Claims that certain diets, lifestyles, vitamin supplements, and the
like are part of the successful method are close to but not completely
bunko. Any trainer would make comments about a customer's lifestyle,
diet and the like. But that does not comprise a generalization of
successful methods, rather a study of the individual's potential for
improvement.
Remember that one problem which is seen with commercial memory
training, as well as mental math and similar things, is the variety of
people attracted to such courses and things. This N back group
differs in being uniformly a highly intelligent and motivated bunch.
But for memory training, "average people" with average problems will
be attracted. So you have actual attention deficit disorder,
neurotics, cases of retardation, Alzheimer's, and many other such
things, and the consequent "dumbing down of the curriculum" to fit the
attracted population.
Regards.
On Jun 3, 4:06 pm, Karl Smith <defc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've started pmemory and it requires allot of commitment. I don't actually
> think you can find the material from pmemory in books that have been out for
> decades. Some of it you obviously can, but, most of it you can't. Being able
> to remember things, move them around and delete them isn't something I've
> ever come across - I'm not saying it's not out there though.
>
> > .
website has a typical sales approach, and makes numerous claims and
promises. But some things are clear - consider the following. He is
correct to assert consider the brain as a muscle, which needs exercise
and possibly a trainer to effect improvement. But then he discounts
things such as memorizing decks of cards in favor of "real world
useful things like memorizing books".
But just as athletics competitions were and to some extent still are a
precursor to real life (and originally military) fitness requirements,
similarly N-back training is an abstraction of a problem set for which
prowess is allegedly applicable to real world problems. It is no
different with memory training using a deck of cards as a convenient
platform for that exercise.
Assuredly anyone who trains for 60 two hour periods will show some
improvement in the skills for which they engaged in the 60 training
sessions for.
Claims that certain diets, lifestyles, vitamin supplements, and the
like are part of the successful method are close to but not completely
bunko. Any trainer would make comments about a customer's lifestyle,
diet and the like. But that does not comprise a generalization of
successful methods, rather a study of the individual's potential for
improvement.
Remember that one problem which is seen with commercial memory
training, as well as mental math and similar things, is the variety of
people attracted to such courses and things. This N back group
differs in being uniformly a highly intelligent and motivated bunch.
But for memory training, "average people" with average problems will
be attracted. So you have actual attention deficit disorder,
neurotics, cases of retardation, Alzheimer's, and many other such
things, and the consequent "dumbing down of the curriculum" to fit the
attracted population.
Regards.
On Jun 3, 4:06 pm, Karl Smith <defc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've started pmemory and it requires allot of commitment. I don't actually
> think you can find the material from pmemory in books that have been out for
> decades. Some of it you obviously can, but, most of it you can't. Being able
> to remember things, move them around and delete them isn't something I've
> ever come across - I'm not saying it's not out there though.
>
> On 3 June 2010 21:58, Lumos <luminoustoronton...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hey guys so I'm just wondering what you think of pmemory. This is what
> > I think of it. They basically use methods that I probably already
> > know, and that are found in books that have been out for decades.
> > However, what they offer that these books do not, is 60 hours of
> > deliberate practice. It sounds like each section is extremely focused,
> > comprehensive, and that there are instructors available to give you
> > feedback and provide insight into your progress. I think that is worth
> > the $300 price tag.
>
> > However, when I look at their testimonials I cringe a little. I expect
> > to see rave reviews coming from undergrads and grad students rather
> > than 40 year old "B2B" business people.
>
> > What do you guys think?
>
> > Also, shameless whoring here. Can any of you pememory alumni give me a
> > discount voucher or something if I do choose to enroll?
>
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> > Hey guys so I'm just wondering what you think of pmemory. This is what
> > I think of it. They basically use methods that I probably already
> > know, and that are found in books that have been out for decades.
> > However, what they offer that these books do not, is 60 hours of
> > deliberate practice. It sounds like each section is extremely focused,
> > comprehensive, and that there are instructors available to give you
> > feedback and provide insight into your progress. I think that is worth
> > the $300 price tag.
>
> > However, when I look at their testimonials I cringe a little. I expect
> > to see rave reviews coming from undergrads and grad students rather
> > than 40 year old "B2B" business people.
>
> > What do you guys think?
>
> > Also, shameless whoring here. Can any of you pememory alumni give me a
> > discount voucher or something if I do choose to enroll?
>
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Karl Smith
Jun 4, 2010, 10:16:21 AM6/4/10
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That has to be one of the strangest posts to this mailing list I have ever read. So most people who persue a better memory capacity have either attention deficit disorder,
neurotics, cases of retardation or Alzheimer's and are "average people". And the individuals who take part in n-back training are uniformly intelligent? I'm sorry, but, that type of reasoning sounds slightly neurotic to me.
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sutur
Jun 5, 2010, 7:12:04 AM6/5/10
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Just to clarify this: I do believe you could benefit form these
techniques and in fact I use mnemonic systems very similar to what
constitutes the pmemory course. My main criticism concerns the format.
Pmemory is not "revolutionary" or something, it's just another
mnemonic system - a nice one all right. All I'm saying is that he
could have published the whole course in a single book of 150 pages
which he could have sold for $20 to people who don't mind reading bad
English (English is not my native language either so I know how it
is :p). Instead the author chooses to split his tips and tricks into
tiny little pieces, mixes them with some pseudoscientific nonsense and
charges $300 for it. Not justified in my view but each to their own...
On Jun 4, 1:57 pm, Karl Smith <defc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> He's from Belarus, so English is his second language. Sure be skeptical, but
> not at the expense of something that could benefit you. He's got videos on
> his website of him doing the things he claims pmemory wil teach you to do. I
> was initially skeptical, as his site seems like a cheesy sales page - but I
> really do think it's worth it. Each to their own I suppose.
>
> > brain-trainin...@googlegroups.com<brain-training%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com>
> > .
techniques and in fact I use mnemonic systems very similar to what
constitutes the pmemory course. My main criticism concerns the format.
Pmemory is not "revolutionary" or something, it's just another
mnemonic system - a nice one all right. All I'm saying is that he
could have published the whole course in a single book of 150 pages
which he could have sold for $20 to people who don't mind reading bad
English (English is not my native language either so I know how it
is :p). Instead the author chooses to split his tips and tricks into
tiny little pieces, mixes them with some pseudoscientific nonsense and
charges $300 for it. Not justified in my view but each to their own...
On Jun 4, 1:57 pm, Karl Smith <defc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> He's from Belarus, so English is his second language. Sure be skeptical, but
> not at the expense of something that could benefit you. He's got videos on
> his website of him doing the things he claims pmemory wil teach you to do. I
> was initially skeptical, as his site seems like a cheesy sales page - but I
> really do think it's worth it. Each to their own I suppose.
>
> > .
52cards
Jun 5, 2010, 8:23:17 AM6/5/10
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Strangest? Interesting comment. But see below.
On Jun 4, 9:16 am, Karl Smith <defc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That has to be one of the strangest posts to this mailing list I have ever
> read. So most people who persue a better memory capacity have either
> attention deficit disorder, neurotics, cases of retardation or Alzheimer's
> and are "average people".
Correct. Because this thread is about a memory improvement system
which is in fact marketed to average people. Average people range in
age from say 10-79 and average 100 in IQ.
And the individuals who take part in n-back
> training are uniformly intelligent? I'm sorry, but, that type of reasoning
> sounds slightly neurotic to me.
Uniformly intelligent in comparison to the prior "average", why yes of
course.
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On Jun 4, 9:16 am, Karl Smith <defc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That has to be one of the strangest posts to this mailing list I have ever
> read. So most people who persue a better memory capacity have either
> attention deficit disorder, neurotics, cases of retardation or Alzheimer's
> and are "average people".
which is in fact marketed to average people. Average people range in
age from say 10-79 and average 100 in IQ.
And the individuals who take part in n-back
> training are uniformly intelligent? I'm sorry, but, that type of reasoning
> sounds slightly neurotic to me.
course.
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52cards
Jun 5, 2010, 8:36:55 AM6/5/10
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Here in the USA Kevin Troudeau was brought up on charges and found
guilty at the federal level for making unsupportable claims regarding
the memory system that he sold for a while. In fact Troudeau only
taught simple ten and twenty item list mnemonics and creative linkages
as memory aids. That's more or less just a kindegarden level first
cut at the subject, isn't it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau#Audio_tapes:_.E2.80.9CMega_Memory.E2.80.9D
Audio tapes: “Mega Memory”
Trudeau says he adapted techniques used to improve the memory of the
blind and the mentally challenged to create Advanced Mega Memory and
Mega Memory audio tapes. His promotion of memory-enhancing products
was stopped by the intervention of the Federal Trade Commission which
determined that the claims made by Trudeau were false and programs
involved would not enable users to achieve a "photographic memory", as
the advertising claimed.[35]
He's now off on some other scam, pushing some kind of wonderful
alternative diet. The diet claims were incidentally incorporated in
the memory system....
I am not saying that the course in question is dishonest like
Troudaeu's was.
But the marketing is similar, the promises and testimonies are
similar.
I just personally dislike that kind of approach for a learning
curricula.
> > > brain-trainin...@googlegroups.com<brain-training%2Bunsubscribe@go oglegroups.com>
guilty at the federal level for making unsupportable claims regarding
the memory system that he sold for a while. In fact Troudeau only
taught simple ten and twenty item list mnemonics and creative linkages
as memory aids. That's more or less just a kindegarden level first
cut at the subject, isn't it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau#Audio_tapes:_.E2.80.9CMega_Memory.E2.80.9D
Audio tapes: “Mega Memory”
Trudeau says he adapted techniques used to improve the memory of the
blind and the mentally challenged to create Advanced Mega Memory and
Mega Memory audio tapes. His promotion of memory-enhancing products
was stopped by the intervention of the Federal Trade Commission which
determined that the claims made by Trudeau were false and programs
involved would not enable users to achieve a "photographic memory", as
the advertising claimed.[35]
He's now off on some other scam, pushing some kind of wonderful
alternative diet. The diet claims were incidentally incorporated in
the memory system....
I am not saying that the course in question is dishonest like
Troudaeu's was.
But the marketing is similar, the promises and testimonies are
similar.
I just personally dislike that kind of approach for a learning
curricula.
Lumos
Jun 6, 2010, 4:38:22 AM6/6/10
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Well, Kevin Trudeau is a special case. I don't think the writers at
the Colbert Report could've written a more dim-witted,
poorly informed, self-deluded dolt lacking any ounce of self-
awareness. I'm pretty sure he;s the one that claimed cancer
could be cured with vitamin c.
Here's a link to pmemory's memory manual
http://www.2shared.com/document/DF9REVT3/GMS_Manual.html
After a bit more consideration and lurking on other forums I'm leaning
towards trying it out.
"Let me say this again: The course is not about techniques. If all you
want are the techniques, read the GMS manual, but I promise you, it
will do you very little good compared to what you will get from the
course. Knowing the techniques isn't good enough. You need to make
them natural to you. You need to have the visualization ability,
attention control, and mental capacity to sit down for hours at a time
and have all of your focus be on the images you are connecting.
Otherwise, you will *never* see the potential of your memory. It's
like the difference between buying a book about workouts, and having a
personal trainer that is there to guide you, not only at the gym, but
in your nutrition, attitude, etc..."
" the pmemory course will get you into really good mental shape...
You'll feel like a fog has been lifted from your mind, your thoughts
will be clearer and sharper. As far as reading goes, the pmemory
course will teach you how to remember anything you want to, so you
won't have to read/reread/reread, etc...
"
As for my situation. I haven't done anything really mentally demanding
in 4-5 years. I plan on going back to school and I think this along
with my other pursuits would be a great start. My brain needs some
tuning up and pmemory might just be what I need to start.
Besides shady marketing, a questionable refund policy, and an owner
who himself seems to not be so trustworthy.... The only real negative
review I've read about the system itself was this:
"I don't actually own the course, but let's just say that a "friend"
let me borrow it. I posted my thoughts on the system in this thread a
while ago, but it looks like my post was deleted.
I got through the first 22 lessons and gave up on it. It was simply
too mentally exhausting, and I found it difficult to retain the
information over longer periods of time. I may have been able to
recall most of the information on the following day, but 2-3 days
later, I'd forget more than half of it. Visualization actually became
more difficult as I progressed, which I found strange.
I believe that some type of visual component can help tremendously
when it comes to retaining information. However, the visuals should be
used in conjunction with other means.
This may work great if you're a visual learner, but despite popular
belief, most people aren't. Most people benefit from learning in a
variety of ways including visually, auditory, and hands-on. You need
to find what combination works best for you.
"
On Jun 5, 8:36 am, 52cards <l4po...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here in the USA Kevin Troudeau was brought up on charges and found
> guilty at the federal level for making unsupportable claims regarding
> the memory system that he sold for a while. In fact Troudeau only
> taught simple ten and twenty item list mnemonics and creative linkages
> as memory aids. That's more or less just a kindegarden level first
> cut at the subject, isn't it?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau#Audio_tapes:_.E2.80.9CMega...
the Colbert Report could've written a more dim-witted,
poorly informed, self-deluded dolt lacking any ounce of self-
awareness. I'm pretty sure he;s the one that claimed cancer
could be cured with vitamin c.
Here's a link to pmemory's memory manual
http://www.2shared.com/document/DF9REVT3/GMS_Manual.html
After a bit more consideration and lurking on other forums I'm leaning
towards trying it out.
"Let me say this again: The course is not about techniques. If all you
want are the techniques, read the GMS manual, but I promise you, it
will do you very little good compared to what you will get from the
course. Knowing the techniques isn't good enough. You need to make
them natural to you. You need to have the visualization ability,
attention control, and mental capacity to sit down for hours at a time
and have all of your focus be on the images you are connecting.
Otherwise, you will *never* see the potential of your memory. It's
like the difference between buying a book about workouts, and having a
personal trainer that is there to guide you, not only at the gym, but
in your nutrition, attitude, etc..."
" the pmemory course will get you into really good mental shape...
You'll feel like a fog has been lifted from your mind, your thoughts
will be clearer and sharper. As far as reading goes, the pmemory
course will teach you how to remember anything you want to, so you
won't have to read/reread/reread, etc...
"
As for my situation. I haven't done anything really mentally demanding
in 4-5 years. I plan on going back to school and I think this along
with my other pursuits would be a great start. My brain needs some
tuning up and pmemory might just be what I need to start.
Besides shady marketing, a questionable refund policy, and an owner
who himself seems to not be so trustworthy.... The only real negative
review I've read about the system itself was this:
"I don't actually own the course, but let's just say that a "friend"
let me borrow it. I posted my thoughts on the system in this thread a
while ago, but it looks like my post was deleted.
I got through the first 22 lessons and gave up on it. It was simply
too mentally exhausting, and I found it difficult to retain the
information over longer periods of time. I may have been able to
recall most of the information on the following day, but 2-3 days
later, I'd forget more than half of it. Visualization actually became
more difficult as I progressed, which I found strange.
I believe that some type of visual component can help tremendously
when it comes to retaining information. However, the visuals should be
used in conjunction with other means.
This may work great if you're a visual learner, but despite popular
belief, most people aren't. Most people benefit from learning in a
variety of ways including visually, auditory, and hands-on. You need
to find what combination works best for you.
"
On Jun 5, 8:36 am, 52cards <l4po...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here in the USA Kevin Troudeau was brought up on charges and found
> guilty at the federal level for making unsupportable claims regarding
> the memory system that he sold for a while. In fact Troudeau only
> taught simple ten and twenty item list mnemonics and creative linkages
> as memory aids. That's more or less just a kindegarden level first
> cut at the subject, isn't it?
>
52cards
Jun 7, 2010, 8:31:46 AM6/7/10
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Thanks for posting a link to the manual, which I have now read. Based
on this, I would comment that there are virtually no new or improved
techniques in this course. The manual discusses various types of
association, chain, linkage, phonetic representation of two digit
numbers and extensions, the "rooms in the palace" concept, and
"Cicero's method".
More importantly it engages in cheerleading and editorializing at
least half way through before discussing specific methods and
techniques. Now it could be argued that this is only a cheerleading
book, that the methods and techniques are in the course material.
The author never discusses the journey method, which is of course the
simplest means for anyone to remember things without some serious
training such as in the peg system. He does describe the peg system
for two digit numbers from 00 - 99, and this is on a par similar with
Lorraine's memory system.
Ultimately, we have to ask whether his claims are supported by either
new and innovative methods superior to those which have came before,
or by some clever use of prior methods which is a substantive
improvement. I don't find evidence of either of these in the manual.
Next we would do well to ask whether in going through this course a
person would find his abilities improved, unchanged, or worsened. And
then we'd need comparables, because the question is "Compared to
what?" For which one might answer something simple, like "Memory
improvement books available on Amazon?"
:)
On Jun 6, 3:38 am, Lumos <luminoustoronton...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, Kevin Trudeau is a special case. I don't think the writers at
> the Colbert Report could've written a more dim-witted,
> poorly informed, self-deluded dolt lacking any ounce of self-
> awareness. I'm pretty sure he;s the one that claimed cancer
> could be cured with vitamin c.
>
> Here's a link to pmemory's memory manualhttp://www.2shared.com/document/DF9REVT3/GMS_Manual.html
on this, I would comment that there are virtually no new or improved
techniques in this course. The manual discusses various types of
association, chain, linkage, phonetic representation of two digit
numbers and extensions, the "rooms in the palace" concept, and
"Cicero's method".
More importantly it engages in cheerleading and editorializing at
least half way through before discussing specific methods and
techniques. Now it could be argued that this is only a cheerleading
book, that the methods and techniques are in the course material.
The author never discusses the journey method, which is of course the
simplest means for anyone to remember things without some serious
training such as in the peg system. He does describe the peg system
for two digit numbers from 00 - 99, and this is on a par similar with
Lorraine's memory system.
Ultimately, we have to ask whether his claims are supported by either
new and innovative methods superior to those which have came before,
or by some clever use of prior methods which is a substantive
improvement. I don't find evidence of either of these in the manual.
Next we would do well to ask whether in going through this course a
person would find his abilities improved, unchanged, or worsened. And
then we'd need comparables, because the question is "Compared to
what?" For which one might answer something simple, like "Memory
improvement books available on Amazon?"
:)
On Jun 6, 3:38 am, Lumos <luminoustoronton...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, Kevin Trudeau is a special case. I don't think the writers at
> the Colbert Report could've written a more dim-witted,
> poorly informed, self-deluded dolt lacking any ounce of self-
> awareness. I'm pretty sure he;s the one that claimed cancer
> could be cured with vitamin c.
>
YadgaJack
Jun 8, 2010, 5:36:16 PM6/8/10
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I wish someone who completed the course, and was trustworthy would
post a review here, I've been looking for a multi-disciplinary
approach to training various parts of the brain, which it seems like
this course may provide, but the website is so sleazy with the sales
approach it makes one hesitate to purchase and to then commit time,
which is valuable, to it.
So if anyone know's anyone who has, get them to write a review and
post it here please.
post a review here, I've been looking for a multi-disciplinary
approach to training various parts of the brain, which it seems like
this course may provide, but the website is so sleazy with the sales
approach it makes one hesitate to purchase and to then commit time,
which is valuable, to it.
So if anyone know's anyone who has, get them to write a review and
post it here please.
jttoto
Jun 9, 2010, 1:42:53 AM6/9/10
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I wouldn't put too much stock into testimonies. A general rule, if
there hasn't been a scientific study supporting the product's effect,
then use at your own risk. The problem is that testimonies don't
control for the placebo effect, (will a sugar pill suffice?) use
randomization (does it work for everybody?),account for non-treatment
effects (did the user start to exercise during the course?) validate
their testimonies, etc.
there hasn't been a scientific study supporting the product's effect,
then use at your own risk. The problem is that testimonies don't
control for the placebo effect, (will a sugar pill suffice?) use
randomization (does it work for everybody?),account for non-treatment
effects (did the user start to exercise during the course?) validate
their testimonies, etc.
Lumos
Jun 9, 2010, 3:58:40 AM6/9/10
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@52 cards:
I'm in the middle of reading the GSM manual and reading it is giving
me a headache. One of the hallmarks of a bullshitter is that he writes
bloated sentences and uses incomprehensible jargon to obfuscate rather
than to clarify. People with truly novel or good ideas will use plain,
simple, clear language to present them.
But yeah, he's selling the same ol' memory tricks but just renaming
them. And the theory behind his system is also just a rehashing of
already known basic psychological
concepts with seemingly made up stuff thrown in the mix for good
measure.
That said however, I decided to go ahead and enroll in the course. I'm
not even concerned about why or how "his" system works. I'm most
concerned THAT it works.
Anyways, in the context of others' (i.e. non crackpots) explanations
of memory mechanisms, it makes sense that this works. Again what
attracts me most to this course
is that it offers 120 hours of pretty much deliberate practice. I'm
sure if I put in that many hours practicing the techniques in your
typical Harry Lorayne book I'd probably
have "phenomenal memory" as well. But I don't have that kind of
discipline and self-sufficiency yet. I like that I will have 120 hours
of guided, focused practice to develop
specific, concrete memory skills that simply work.
I plan on going back to school (To study biochemistry and physics). I
am also currently studying logic on my own and will be hiring starving
grad students to correct
philosophical essays that I will be writing. So yeah, philosophy is
more of an activity (i.e. reasoning well, writing clearly, analyzing
and evaluating arguments). You can't just
memorize plato's republic word for word and expect to pass a
philosophy exam. So I really don't know how this course will impact my
current studies, but I'll
keep you guys updated. I do have trouble actually memorizing my
notes... I write such good notes but I have a problem, well,
remembering them.
I'm in the middle of reading the GSM manual and reading it is giving
me a headache. One of the hallmarks of a bullshitter is that he writes
bloated sentences and uses incomprehensible jargon to obfuscate rather
than to clarify. People with truly novel or good ideas will use plain,
simple, clear language to present them.
But yeah, he's selling the same ol' memory tricks but just renaming
them. And the theory behind his system is also just a rehashing of
already known basic psychological
concepts with seemingly made up stuff thrown in the mix for good
measure.
That said however, I decided to go ahead and enroll in the course. I'm
not even concerned about why or how "his" system works. I'm most
concerned THAT it works.
Anyways, in the context of others' (i.e. non crackpots) explanations
of memory mechanisms, it makes sense that this works. Again what
attracts me most to this course
is that it offers 120 hours of pretty much deliberate practice. I'm
sure if I put in that many hours practicing the techniques in your
typical Harry Lorayne book I'd probably
have "phenomenal memory" as well. But I don't have that kind of
discipline and self-sufficiency yet. I like that I will have 120 hours
of guided, focused practice to develop
specific, concrete memory skills that simply work.
I plan on going back to school (To study biochemistry and physics). I
am also currently studying logic on my own and will be hiring starving
grad students to correct
philosophical essays that I will be writing. So yeah, philosophy is
more of an activity (i.e. reasoning well, writing clearly, analyzing
and evaluating arguments). You can't just
memorize plato's republic word for word and expect to pass a
philosophy exam. So I really don't know how this course will impact my
current studies, but I'll
keep you guys updated. I do have trouble actually memorizing my
notes... I write such good notes but I have a problem, well,
remembering them.
> Here in the USA Kevin Troudeau was brought up on charges and found
> guilty at the federal level for making unsupportable claims regarding
> the memory system that he sold for a while. In fact Troudeau only
> taught simple ten and twenty item list mnemonics and creative linkages
> as memory aids. That's more or less just a kindegarden level first
> cut at the subject, isn't it?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau#Audio_tapes:_.E2.80.9CMega...
> guilty at the federal level for making unsupportable claims regarding
> the memory system that he sold for a while. In fact Troudeau only
> taught simple ten and twenty item list mnemonics and creative linkages
> as memory aids. That's more or less just a kindegarden level first
> cut at the subject, isn't it?
>
Lumos
Jun 9, 2010, 5:30:57 AM6/9/10
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P.S. I've been sifting through their forums all day and once in a
while I'll find a post that cracks me up such as this one:
"For the LSAT, join the Dual N Back, Brain Training and Intelligence
group. It's a google group and it's free. They have a free software
called Brain Workshop which will get you on your way for the LSAT. To
do well in Law School, however, you should get the Pmemory course in
addition to doing the Dual N Back exercises. Good luck.
I am an attorney, btw, and I graduated from a top ten law school.
Best wishes."
Which one of yous posted that??
Also, one of the things I'll be doing in the future is creating my own
blog. Now, I wanna do this from scratch and I have no prior background
in html or any computer
languages so I have my work cut out for me. Here are a few of the
books included in a little syllabus that I created for myself:
HTML + Javascript
Head First HTML with CSS & XHTML (with HTML & XHTML: The Complete
Reference )
Head First JavaScript (With accompanying reference book)
--> Supplmentals:
Build Your Own Website The Right Way Using HTML & CSS
The Non-Designer's Design Book
Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style Handbook
PHP + MYSQL books:
PHP & MySQL For Dummies 3rd edition
PHP and MySQL Web Development
Advanced PHP Programming
Blog Specific:
Search Engine Optimization: Your Visual Blueprint for Effective
Internet Marketing
Web Analytics: An Hour a Day
Search Engine Optimization: An Hour a Day
A Practical Guide to Affiliate Marketing: Quick Reference for
Affiliate Managers & Merchants
The AdSense Code: What Google Never Told You About Making Money with
AdSense
I can tell you right now that actually studying all these texts
effectively would take me an obscenely lengthy amount of time to do. I
probably would give up after
the first book (read: I have already given up after struggling through
the first book). Do I expect an entirely different, life-changing
outcome after I've finished the course? I'm not gonna lie. I certainly
hope so. But that probably won't happen. Let's see if I get further
though, and if what I study actually sticks with me this time around.
Again, I'll update this thread as I progress through the course. I'll
tell you exactly how I apply the GMS system to specific books that I
study and how well it works
or doesn't work for me.
I mean memorizing entire books is pretty stupid. What I'm going to do
is combine active reading/concept maps/effective note taking/other
learning methods I've cobbled
together from various books with GMS. I will study say a chapter in a
book, create an outline of it in my notes and then I will use GMS to
memorize my notes.
I would then want to play around with those notes now imprinted in my
mind. Look for connections, contrasts and similarities between the
different pieces of data, rewording
this or that, boiling things down more, drawing different examples,
predictions and so forth. So my aim is to create a highly flexible,
contextualized and dynamic chunk of knowledge that will be easy and
quick to access for future use.
while I'll find a post that cracks me up such as this one:
"For the LSAT, join the Dual N Back, Brain Training and Intelligence
group. It's a google group and it's free. They have a free software
called Brain Workshop which will get you on your way for the LSAT. To
do well in Law School, however, you should get the Pmemory course in
addition to doing the Dual N Back exercises. Good luck.
I am an attorney, btw, and I graduated from a top ten law school.
Best wishes."
Which one of yous posted that??
Also, one of the things I'll be doing in the future is creating my own
blog. Now, I wanna do this from scratch and I have no prior background
in html or any computer
languages so I have my work cut out for me. Here are a few of the
books included in a little syllabus that I created for myself:
HTML + Javascript
Head First HTML with CSS & XHTML (with HTML & XHTML: The Complete
Reference )
Head First JavaScript (With accompanying reference book)
--> Supplmentals:
Build Your Own Website The Right Way Using HTML & CSS
The Non-Designer's Design Book
Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style Handbook
PHP + MYSQL books:
PHP & MySQL For Dummies 3rd edition
PHP and MySQL Web Development
Advanced PHP Programming
Blog Specific:
Search Engine Optimization: Your Visual Blueprint for Effective
Internet Marketing
Web Analytics: An Hour a Day
Search Engine Optimization: An Hour a Day
A Practical Guide to Affiliate Marketing: Quick Reference for
Affiliate Managers & Merchants
The AdSense Code: What Google Never Told You About Making Money with
AdSense
I can tell you right now that actually studying all these texts
effectively would take me an obscenely lengthy amount of time to do. I
probably would give up after
the first book (read: I have already given up after struggling through
the first book). Do I expect an entirely different, life-changing
outcome after I've finished the course? I'm not gonna lie. I certainly
hope so. But that probably won't happen. Let's see if I get further
though, and if what I study actually sticks with me this time around.
Again, I'll update this thread as I progress through the course. I'll
tell you exactly how I apply the GMS system to specific books that I
study and how well it works
or doesn't work for me.
I mean memorizing entire books is pretty stupid. What I'm going to do
is combine active reading/concept maps/effective note taking/other
learning methods I've cobbled
together from various books with GMS. I will study say a chapter in a
book, create an outline of it in my notes and then I will use GMS to
memorize my notes.
I would then want to play around with those notes now imprinted in my
mind. Look for connections, contrasts and similarities between the
different pieces of data, rewording
this or that, boiling things down more, drawing different examples,
predictions and so forth. So my aim is to create a highly flexible,
contextualized and dynamic chunk of knowledge that will be easy and
quick to access for future use.
52cards
Jun 10, 2010, 7:36:11 AM6/10/10
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Just one more note regarding "Phenomenal Memory". It turns out there
are numerous postings from them on Youtube, as well as various
interviews and the like with Dominic Obrien. And surprise, surprise,
there are numerous posts about dual n back training. I'm of the
opinion that Youtube is a pretty darn good resource.
On Jun 9, 4:30 am, Lumos <luminoustoronton...@gmail.com> wrote:
> P.S. I've been sifting through their forums all day and once in a
> while I'll find a post that cracks me up such as this one:
>
> "For the LSAT, join the Dual N Back, Brain Training and Intelligence
> group. It's a google group and it's free. They have a free software
> called Brain Workshop which will get you on your way for the LSAT. To
> do well in Law School, however, you should get the Pmemory course in
> addition to doing the Dual N Back exercises. Good luc>
are numerous postings from them on Youtube, as well as various
interviews and the like with Dominic Obrien. And surprise, surprise,
there are numerous posts about dual n back training. I'm of the
opinion that Youtube is a pretty darn good resource.
On Jun 9, 4:30 am, Lumos <luminoustoronton...@gmail.com> wrote:
> P.S. I've been sifting through their forums all day and once in a
> while I'll find a post that cracks me up such as this one:
>
> "For the LSAT, join the Dual N Back, Brain Training and Intelligence
> group. It's a google group and it's free. They have a free software
> called Brain Workshop which will get you on your way for the LSAT. To
> do well in Law School, however, you should get the Pmemory course in
> addition to doing the Dual N Back exercises. Good luc>
Nomics
Jun 10, 2010, 2:08:05 PM6/10/10
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Lumos is just a marketer of this course in disguise.
Topics on this course have been popping all over the place disguised
to look like genuine questions/comments...but they contain a little
too much detail:
"They basically use methods that I probably already
know, and that are found in books that have been out for decades.
However, what they offer that these books do not, is 60 hours of
deliberate practice. It sounds like each section is extremely
focused,
comprehensive, and that there are instructors available to give you
feedback and provide insight into your progress. I think that is
worth
the $300 price tag. "
And his further posts accept the negatives you guys toss out and
converts
them into positives:
"But yeah, he's selling the same ol' memory tricks but just renaming
them. And the theory behind his system is also just a rehashing of
already known basic psychological
concepts with seemingly made up stuff thrown in the mix for good
measure.
That said however, I decided to go ahead and enroll in the course.
I'm
not even concerned about why or how "his" system works. I'm most
concerned THAT it works. "
Riiiight.
The marketers from this course are known to be spamming personal
development
(memory improvement, cognition etc) sites -in fact, the owner (Ruslan)
was caught
lying about having no requests for refunds on a particular forum when
a moderator
independently followed up with someone who purchased the course and
discovered he had asked and subsequently received a refund.
I have actually gone through the course myself, here is my succinct
review:
-The English is TERRIBLE, the instruction is nonsensical and difficult
to comprehend
-You will find no new techniques that you can't get in a $10 memory
book from amazon
-The so called "daily exercises" and "deliberate practise" is nothing
more than the
repetition of the same exercises found in a good $10 memory book from
amazon,
in particular Dominic O'brian's books
-The "support" is just a ticket system, which if you ever needed,
would be to ask,
"What the hell does this even mean? It doesn't make sense" due to the
poor English
My overall recommendation would be buy the top 5 memory books on
amazon (like I have)
you'll receive clear instruction to the best methods for utilizing
your brain and exercises to practise
your skills.
If you must see, for curiosities sake, what this course is about then
search for it on piratebay.
The 1.0 and 2.0 version are marketing ploys, the content is
identical.
> ...
>
> read more »
Topics on this course have been popping all over the place disguised
to look like genuine questions/comments...but they contain a little
too much detail:
"They basically use methods that I probably already
know, and that are found in books that have been out for decades.
However, what they offer that these books do not, is 60 hours of
deliberate practice. It sounds like each section is extremely
focused,
comprehensive, and that there are instructors available to give you
feedback and provide insight into your progress. I think that is
worth
the $300 price tag. "
converts
them into positives:
"But yeah, he's selling the same ol' memory tricks but just renaming
them. And the theory behind his system is also just a rehashing of
already known basic psychological
concepts with seemingly made up stuff thrown in the mix for good
measure.
That said however, I decided to go ahead and enroll in the course.
I'm
not even concerned about why or how "his" system works. I'm most
concerned THAT it works. "
The marketers from this course are known to be spamming personal
development
(memory improvement, cognition etc) sites -in fact, the owner (Ruslan)
was caught
lying about having no requests for refunds on a particular forum when
a moderator
independently followed up with someone who purchased the course and
discovered he had asked and subsequently received a refund.
I have actually gone through the course myself, here is my succinct
review:
-The English is TERRIBLE, the instruction is nonsensical and difficult
to comprehend
-You will find no new techniques that you can't get in a $10 memory
book from amazon
-The so called "daily exercises" and "deliberate practise" is nothing
more than the
repetition of the same exercises found in a good $10 memory book from
amazon,
in particular Dominic O'brian's books
-The "support" is just a ticket system, which if you ever needed,
would be to ask,
"What the hell does this even mean? It doesn't make sense" due to the
poor English
My overall recommendation would be buy the top 5 memory books on
amazon (like I have)
you'll receive clear instruction to the best methods for utilizing
your brain and exercises to practise
your skills.
If you must see, for curiosities sake, what this course is about then
search for it on piratebay.
The 1.0 and 2.0 version are marketing ploys, the content is
identical.
>
> read more »
Lumos
Jun 11, 2010, 4:11:44 AM6/11/10
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Ouch....Caught red handed. Nomics totally called me out. I am in fact
a marketer of this course. Yes, I admit it. I joined this message
board a year ago and I created a string of topics unrelated to
pmemory. However, this was all part of a ruse to trick you guys. To
win you over and convince you that I was part of the gang. Leading
eventually to the creation of this thread. A marketing ploy in
disguise.
Get out of my thread troll.
> ...
>
> read more »
a marketer of this course. Yes, I admit it. I joined this message
board a year ago and I created a string of topics unrelated to
pmemory. However, this was all part of a ruse to trick you guys. To
win you over and convince you that I was part of the gang. Leading
eventually to the creation of this thread. A marketing ploy in
disguise.
Get out of my thread troll.
>
> read more »
Nomics
Jun 11, 2010, 6:11:19 AM6/11/10
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Sure, play that act all you want.
> ...
>
> read more »
>
> read more »
jttoto
Jun 11, 2010, 6:46:10 AM6/11/10
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Do you really think someone would wait a year in order to spring his
trap? This is a board with not even 700 members. Hardly seems like
an efficient marketing plan.
You on the other hand only have two posts, neither related to the
board's central theme. Perhaps your the one whose motives should be
questioned.
> ...
>
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> - Show quoted text -
trap? This is a board with not even 700 members. Hardly seems like
an efficient marketing plan.
You on the other hand only have two posts, neither related to the
board's central theme. Perhaps your the one whose motives should be
questioned.
>
> read more »- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
52cards
Jun 11, 2010, 7:56:06 AM6/11/10
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Leaving the troll issue aside, I know factually that O'Brien is a
master. He's publicly proved so repeatedly. Where is evidence that
those pushing this course are experts?
I memorized four card decks once and commonly do one deck or a string
of license plates. So wild claims don't impress me.
These are useful skills but don't enable you to memorize textbooks or
recite Milton's Paradise Lost.
Amazon and Google are such nice friends.....
master. He's publicly proved so repeatedly. Where is evidence that
those pushing this course are experts?
I memorized four card decks once and commonly do one deck or a string
of license plates. So wild claims don't impress me.
These are useful skills but don't enable you to memorize textbooks or
recite Milton's Paradise Lost.
Amazon and Google are such nice friends.....
Nomics
Jun 11, 2010, 8:13:20 AM6/11/10
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Internet marketers are much more savvy than they were before (I should
know, I'm one of them heh).
It's common to join a number of forums well in advance of marketing
anything, provide
genuine feedback and advise and then later post the pitch disguised as
a question/comment.
I came on here to check this software out, and the first thing I see
is a post regarding this
memory course. After reading the posts, it really was obvious to me
and just plain annoying
to see another pitch for the product.
I'm interested in enhancing cognition, and most places I visit,
there's some muppet marketing
silly claims about "phenomenal" memory, either on youtube or other
personal development forums,
and with my experience of the course, it annoys me to see these people
using "blackhat" and
"stealth marketing" tactics to lure people into this poorly designed
course.
You could question my objectives, but you'll find little in the form
of a pitch for any product -
unless you count my recommendation of buying the top 5 memory books on
amazon.
Take a step back and re-read Lumos' posts, I may be making a wild
assumption, but I think
it's accurate. He's probably one of the "support" guys for the course
too.
> ...
>
> read more »
know, I'm one of them heh).
It's common to join a number of forums well in advance of marketing
anything, provide
genuine feedback and advise and then later post the pitch disguised as
a question/comment.
I came on here to check this software out, and the first thing I see
is a post regarding this
memory course. After reading the posts, it really was obvious to me
and just plain annoying
to see another pitch for the product.
I'm interested in enhancing cognition, and most places I visit,
there's some muppet marketing
silly claims about "phenomenal" memory, either on youtube or other
personal development forums,
and with my experience of the course, it annoys me to see these people
using "blackhat" and
"stealth marketing" tactics to lure people into this poorly designed
course.
You could question my objectives, but you'll find little in the form
of a pitch for any product -
unless you count my recommendation of buying the top 5 memory books on
amazon.
Take a step back and re-read Lumos' posts, I may be making a wild
assumption, but I think
it's accurate. He's probably one of the "support" guys for the course
too.
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Lumos
Jun 11, 2010, 2:20:07 PM6/11/10
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Nomics I admit it. You are a pretty good troll. But please stop
trolling in this thread.
If you are not a troll, then you're stupid. You`re making pretty wild
and farfetched assumptions about my motives.
I think you should follow your own advice and reread my posts.
"Besides shady marketing, a questionable refund policy, and an owner
who himself seems to not be so trustworthy.... The only real negative
review I've read about the system itself was this:......"
"I'm
sure if I put in that many hours practicing the techniques in your
typical Harry Lorayne book I'd probably
have "phenomenal memory" as well. But I don't have that kind of
discipline and self-sufficiency yet. I like that I will have 120
hours
of guided, focused practice to develop
specific, concrete memory skills that simply work. "
That is hardly a glowing recommendation of their system. I only found
one negative
review of the product itself, and that is the only thing that
concerned me.
Everything else you and others have criticized is about their customer
service,
refund policy, marketting methods and so on. I haven't come across
one person who's done the entire course and has saaid, "It doesn't
work."
Except for the person I quoted above.
Reread what I wrote. What I'm saying is. Yes, the owner is shady,
their marketing methods are sleazy, the manual of GMS is poorly
written and incoherent. But that doesn't matter for ME. I know how
mnemonics works. I know that it works. The manual is irrelevant
to me. The only thing that's relevant is that I develop the skill.
I believe that 120 hours of guided practice and 60 lessons will
do that for me.
Like I said, you can develop the same phenomenal memory
by picking up any harry lorayine book and practicing the
techniques you learn there. But I'm not that self-sufficient
yet. If you are, then by all means do so. I believe that
most people on this board are self-sufficient and smart enough to
master mnemonics on their own.
So give it a rest. I am not a marketer. I just signed up for the
course
yesterday. Stop trolling. In all your efforts to slam my
character and intentions, you didn't even mention your
"top 5 memory books on amazon." Or waiiitt a second...
You were witholding it until the very last second weren't you????
Speaking of which, here are my top 5:
1. Memory Power for exams (This one has tons of exercises, ranging
from different academic subjects).
2. The Memory Key
3. Your Memory : How It Works and How to Improve It
4. Super Memory - Super Student: How to Raise Your Grades in 30 Days
5. The Medieval Craft of Memory: An Anthology of Texts and Pictures
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trolling in this thread.
If you are not a troll, then you're stupid. You`re making pretty wild
and farfetched assumptions about my motives.
I think you should follow your own advice and reread my posts.
"Besides shady marketing, a questionable refund policy, and an owner
who himself seems to not be so trustworthy.... The only real negative
"I'm
sure if I put in that many hours practicing the techniques in your
typical Harry Lorayne book I'd probably
have "phenomenal memory" as well. But I don't have that kind of
discipline and self-sufficiency yet. I like that I will have 120
hours
of guided, focused practice to develop
specific, concrete memory skills that simply work. "
one negative
review of the product itself, and that is the only thing that
concerned me.
Everything else you and others have criticized is about their customer
service,
refund policy, marketting methods and so on. I haven't come across
one person who's done the entire course and has saaid, "It doesn't
work."
Except for the person I quoted above.
Reread what I wrote. What I'm saying is. Yes, the owner is shady,
their marketing methods are sleazy, the manual of GMS is poorly
written and incoherent. But that doesn't matter for ME. I know how
mnemonics works. I know that it works. The manual is irrelevant
to me. The only thing that's relevant is that I develop the skill.
I believe that 120 hours of guided practice and 60 lessons will
do that for me.
Like I said, you can develop the same phenomenal memory
by picking up any harry lorayine book and practicing the
techniques you learn there. But I'm not that self-sufficient
yet. If you are, then by all means do so. I believe that
most people on this board are self-sufficient and smart enough to
master mnemonics on their own.
So give it a rest. I am not a marketer. I just signed up for the
course
yesterday. Stop trolling. In all your efforts to slam my
character and intentions, you didn't even mention your
"top 5 memory books on amazon." Or waiiitt a second...
You were witholding it until the very last second weren't you????
Speaking of which, here are my top 5:
1. Memory Power for exams (This one has tons of exercises, ranging
from different academic subjects).
2. The Memory Key
3. Your Memory : How It Works and How to Improve It
4. Super Memory - Super Student: How to Raise Your Grades in 30 Days
5. The Medieval Craft of Memory: An Anthology of Texts and Pictures
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Curtis Warren
Jun 11, 2010, 3:05:10 PM6/11/10
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Nomics, stop pestering Lumos. If he is a marketer, he's the worst one
I've seen, considering he posted a link to the course material which
you would otherwise have to pay to get:
I've seen, considering he posted a link to the course material which
you would otherwise have to pay to get:
> Here's a link to pmemory's memory manual
http://www.2shared.com/document/DF9REVT3/GMS_Manual.html
No marketer would ever do this. When you're trying to scam people out
of their money, the last thing you want to do is let them examine the
goods _before_ they give you the money. No matter what, you need to be
the one presenting it, so you can spin all the obvious defects and
inconsistencies into positives. Posting a link to the entire manual is
the last thing you would want to do in this situation, if you were a
marketer.
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jttoto
Jun 11, 2010, 5:37:14 PM6/11/10
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Well, if it is true, it is a poor allocation of time and resources.
One year just to woo at most 700 members, the vast majority of which
are not regulars. Surely there are better ways, or bigger forums to
fry.
One year just to woo at most 700 members, the vast majority of which
are not regulars. Surely there are better ways, or bigger forums to
fry.
wzeller
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Lumos is a witch! Burn him!
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Lumos
Jun 11, 2010, 9:49:04 PM6/11/10
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I actually haven’t read any of Dominic Obrien’s memory books. With the
exception of one. And it was completely useless to me. I think it was
a water downed version of his system geared more towards the general
public than say the serious student who wants to learn how to learn.
“"120 hours of guided practice and 60 lessons "
You keep mentioning this, sure it sounds great in theory. The "guided
practice" is no more than incoherent text instruction on applying
mnemonics. I'm sure you've read my succinct review in my first post
above. What use are these hours and lessons if the lessons are
structured poorly and incoherently? “
Okay on this point I may have been mistaken. This is the single most
important part of their sales pitch for me. I need structure, I need
guided instruction, I need a lot of focused practice to develop my
memorizing skills until they are automatic and effortless.
I just got this course and I was not exactly greeted by an instructor
as I imagined. I haven’t even started the course yet, but I expected
an instructor to provide feedback for me after each lesson concluded,
and perhaps an overview of the course itself. However, once I start
this program I’m going to make sure to MILK my support system for all
its worth. I’m going to email the instructors after each lesson and
we’ll just see how responsive and helpful they are. I expect some
instruction on SKYPE.
I don’t know if the lessons are structured poorly. I haven’t started
the course yet but I have skimmed over lesson one. It seems okay to
me. I really like the fact that course 1 focuses on improving your
general attention and visualizing skills. Because just like in
certain video games such as starcraft, mechanics comes before strategy
(or the application of techniques). You need fast fingers before you
can strategize. You need good concentration and visualization skills
before you can apply mnemonics to its fullest. Anyways, I don’t know
for certain if the 120 hours of lessons are structured poorly and
incoherently as you’ve suggested. If they are then I’m gonna be pretty
pissed off.
“Funny how you, as a prospective costumer, are using "phenomenal
memory" like it's a quantifiable objective with which you can measure
your progress. In fact, that opening line is almost identical to a
line on their ("phenomenal memory") website.”
First off I’m not a prospective costumer anymore. I’ve stated multiple
times that I decided to buy the course. I bought it yesterday or the
day before yesterday (I can’t remember!).
Stop honing in on irrelevant little details. Think about what I said
there. With whatever book on mnemonics that you buy, providing it’s of
decent quality, you can probably develop PHENOMENAL MEMORY. Think
about what that means. I’m merely saying that whatever standards
they’re using to gauge “phenomenal memory”, you can likely reach that
level of mastery on your own if you’re dedicated enough. See, but it’s
so much more compact if I just say “phenomenal memory™”.
“Regardless, you state you're not that self-sufficient to pick up any
"harry lorayine book and practising the techniques you learn there",
yet you've "picked up" and consumed at least 5 memory books that
you've recommended and you're apparently self-sufficient enough to
actively engage in a 120 hour, 60 lesson course over a period of two
months. Further, anyone else would be deterred by a product whose
creator is "sleazy", whose marketing is "sleazy" and whose manual
(that showcases the actual product) is "poorly written", yet in light
of this and coupled with your experience in having read numerous
books
on memory/mnemonics you decide to purchase this $300 course on
mnemonics. Right.”
I don’t understand what you’re implying here. One of the books I
recommended was a Harry Lorayne book. I’m the type of person who will
read a lot but understand very little because I’m not willing to put
in the effort to really memorize it all or to apply the things that I
learn. Whether I AM self-sufficient enough to complete a 120 hour
course over a period of two months remains to be seen. I was hoping
that the “structured lessons”, and “guided practice” and support from
other students in the forum would act as a scaffolding for me.
The GSM manual is a supplement to the course more than anything. It
provides the THEORY behind the techniques. It is actually not even
necessary to read in order to complete the course. That’s what it even
states on the welcome page once you’ve ordered the course. That’s why
I don’t care that it’s poorly written. THOUGH, it concerns me that the
same author who wrote that manual also wrote the 120 or so hours worth
of exercises!
Mike, or Nomics, or whoever you are. No one here is contesting whether
I am a marketer (or a witch) or not. You’re the only one silly enough
to even suggest it. What people are contesting is whether or not
pmemory is worth enrolling in. Also, your attempts here to ruin my
character are a lot less offensive and blatant than your previous
attempts, so for that I give you a thumbs up.
As far as the price is concerened. It seems ridiculous… But then
again, I’ve paid $350 for improv classes (8 three hour lessons) with
fucking nothing to show for it! So what am I trying to say here? The
price seems ludicrous but if the course accomplishes what it sets out
to accomplish and if it helps you accomplish whatever academic goals
you’ve set for it it’s probably worth it then. Would I pay $30 a
lesson for a year, in order to learn how to play the guitar? Probably
because chicks dig that. Am I just bad with money? Probably.
Guys, for all of you who have read Dominic Obrien’s methods, or
someone else’s and if you’ve taken the time to actually learn and
practice the techniques they teach. If you’re interested in pmemory I
suggest doing this little test. If you can memorize this table in
about an hour and half and recall 90% of the material correctly:
http://www.pmemory.com/how-it-works/
Then you can do what most pmemory students can do so don’t bother
enrolling in it. This is what they use to gauge how far you’ve come
after about 23 lessons, or 50 hours worth of practicing the memory
techniques.
exception of one. And it was completely useless to me. I think it was
a water downed version of his system geared more towards the general
public than say the serious student who wants to learn how to learn.
“"120 hours of guided practice and 60 lessons "
You keep mentioning this, sure it sounds great in theory. The "guided
practice" is no more than incoherent text instruction on applying
mnemonics. I'm sure you've read my succinct review in my first post
above. What use are these hours and lessons if the lessons are
structured poorly and incoherently? “
Okay on this point I may have been mistaken. This is the single most
important part of their sales pitch for me. I need structure, I need
guided instruction, I need a lot of focused practice to develop my
memorizing skills until they are automatic and effortless.
I just got this course and I was not exactly greeted by an instructor
as I imagined. I haven’t even started the course yet, but I expected
an instructor to provide feedback for me after each lesson concluded,
and perhaps an overview of the course itself. However, once I start
this program I’m going to make sure to MILK my support system for all
its worth. I’m going to email the instructors after each lesson and
we’ll just see how responsive and helpful they are. I expect some
instruction on SKYPE.
I don’t know if the lessons are structured poorly. I haven’t started
the course yet but I have skimmed over lesson one. It seems okay to
me. I really like the fact that course 1 focuses on improving your
general attention and visualizing skills. Because just like in
certain video games such as starcraft, mechanics comes before strategy
(or the application of techniques). You need fast fingers before you
can strategize. You need good concentration and visualization skills
before you can apply mnemonics to its fullest. Anyways, I don’t know
for certain if the 120 hours of lessons are structured poorly and
incoherently as you’ve suggested. If they are then I’m gonna be pretty
pissed off.
“Funny how you, as a prospective costumer, are using "phenomenal
memory" like it's a quantifiable objective with which you can measure
your progress. In fact, that opening line is almost identical to a
line on their ("phenomenal memory") website.”
First off I’m not a prospective costumer anymore. I’ve stated multiple
times that I decided to buy the course. I bought it yesterday or the
day before yesterday (I can’t remember!).
Stop honing in on irrelevant little details. Think about what I said
there. With whatever book on mnemonics that you buy, providing it’s of
decent quality, you can probably develop PHENOMENAL MEMORY. Think
about what that means. I’m merely saying that whatever standards
they’re using to gauge “phenomenal memory”, you can likely reach that
level of mastery on your own if you’re dedicated enough. See, but it’s
so much more compact if I just say “phenomenal memory™”.
“Regardless, you state you're not that self-sufficient to pick up any
"harry lorayine book and practising the techniques you learn there",
yet you've "picked up" and consumed at least 5 memory books that
you've recommended and you're apparently self-sufficient enough to
actively engage in a 120 hour, 60 lesson course over a period of two
months. Further, anyone else would be deterred by a product whose
creator is "sleazy", whose marketing is "sleazy" and whose manual
(that showcases the actual product) is "poorly written", yet in light
of this and coupled with your experience in having read numerous
books
on memory/mnemonics you decide to purchase this $300 course on
mnemonics. Right.”
I don’t understand what you’re implying here. One of the books I
recommended was a Harry Lorayne book. I’m the type of person who will
read a lot but understand very little because I’m not willing to put
in the effort to really memorize it all or to apply the things that I
learn. Whether I AM self-sufficient enough to complete a 120 hour
course over a period of two months remains to be seen. I was hoping
that the “structured lessons”, and “guided practice” and support from
other students in the forum would act as a scaffolding for me.
The GSM manual is a supplement to the course more than anything. It
provides the THEORY behind the techniques. It is actually not even
necessary to read in order to complete the course. That’s what it even
states on the welcome page once you’ve ordered the course. That’s why
I don’t care that it’s poorly written. THOUGH, it concerns me that the
same author who wrote that manual also wrote the 120 or so hours worth
of exercises!
Mike, or Nomics, or whoever you are. No one here is contesting whether
I am a marketer (or a witch) or not. You’re the only one silly enough
to even suggest it. What people are contesting is whether or not
pmemory is worth enrolling in. Also, your attempts here to ruin my
character are a lot less offensive and blatant than your previous
attempts, so for that I give you a thumbs up.
As far as the price is concerened. It seems ridiculous… But then
again, I’ve paid $350 for improv classes (8 three hour lessons) with
fucking nothing to show for it! So what am I trying to say here? The
price seems ludicrous but if the course accomplishes what it sets out
to accomplish and if it helps you accomplish whatever academic goals
you’ve set for it it’s probably worth it then. Would I pay $30 a
lesson for a year, in order to learn how to play the guitar? Probably
because chicks dig that. Am I just bad with money? Probably.
Guys, for all of you who have read Dominic Obrien’s methods, or
someone else’s and if you’ve taken the time to actually learn and
practice the techniques they teach. If you’re interested in pmemory I
suggest doing this little test. If you can memorize this table in
about an hour and half and recall 90% of the material correctly:
http://www.pmemory.com/how-it-works/
Then you can do what most pmemory students can do so don’t bother
enrolling in it. This is what they use to gauge how far you’ve come
after about 23 lessons, or 50 hours worth of practicing the memory
techniques.
Lumos
Jun 11, 2010, 9:53:14 PM6/11/10
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Dammit... Mike/Nomics, or whoever he is deleted his post. My above
post was a response to his. I think he meant to log in his "Nomics"
account but accidentally logged into
his real account "MIKE". I wish I could quote his entire post for
posterity! But no form of witchcraft can grant me such powers.
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post was a response to his. I think he meant to log in his "Nomics"
account but accidentally logged into
his real account "MIKE". I wish I could quote his entire post for
posterity! But no form of witchcraft can grant me such powers.
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Karl Smith
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Lumos, leave them to think that pmemory is a scam.
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Curtis Warren
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If it looks like a duck...
Karl Smith
Jun 12, 2010, 3:22:26 PM6/12/10
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As you seem to think this is a scam, I was wondering if you could show me a memory system that is better?
As, with pmemory by lesson 23...
- You will be able to remember the full information volume below.
- You will be able to remember all the data in direct and reverse order.
- You will be able to answer any question on any piece of information contained in the table as well as call it by its ordinal number (without a hint).
If you know a memory system that is more effective, could you please point me in the right direction?
Scroll down to the bottom to see all the information you'll be able to memorize.
CONSTANT VALUES
LESSON TIMETABLE
1.1.1. Monday - mathematics, history, drawing, physical exercises and literature
1.1.2. Tuesday - English, geometry, history, mathematics and music
HISTORICAL DATES
1.1.3. Year 1398 - Timur invaded India and occupied Deli
1.1.4. Year 1703 - foundation of St. Petersburg
1.1.5. Year 1787 - adoption of US constitution
1.2.1.
Year 1806 - Rein Union - Union of 36 Germanic states under the protectorate of Napoleon I
DATES OF EVENT BEGINNING/END
1.2.2. 1377 - 1399 - Reign of Richard II in England
1.2.3. 1650 - 1702 - Life span of English king William III of Orange
1.2.4. 1762 - 1796 - Reign of Catherine II
PRECISE DATES
1.2.5. 1396, 25 September - Battle of Nicopolis
1.3.1. 1346, 26 August - Battle of Crecy
1.3.2. 1389, 15 June - Battle of Kosovo
1.3.3. 1492, 12 October - Columbus discovers America
FACES, SURNAMES, NAMES AND MIDDLE NAMES
1.3.4. Distinctive feature "Earring". Louisa May Alcott
1.3.5. Distinctive feature "Hair". Holly Marie Combs
1.4.1. Distinctive feature "Beard". Brian Michael Cox
1.4.2. Distinctive feature "Cap". George Washington Carver
1.4.3. Distinctive feature "Shoulders". Nancy Jessica Parker
1.4.4. Distinctive feature "Bangs". Pamela Sue Martin
1.4.5. Distinctive feature "Tie". Steven Curtis Chapman
1.5.1. Distinctive feature "Ear". Francis Ford Coppola
PHONE NUMBERS
1.5.2. "Ward" cinema - 339-26-00
1.5.3. "Ankar" cinema - 123-77-58
1.5.4. "Paradise" cinema - 309-54-35
1.5.5. "Beach" cinema - 677-90-83
ADDRESSES
2.1.1. Dental clinic 56, Chromova Street, 9/2
2.1.2. "Vasenar" company, lighter service and refilling, Warsaw highway, 78
AUTOMOBILE NUMBERS
2.1.3. Richard Lee Bell, "l 232 pr"
2.1.4. Random car. Distinctive feature - "Dice on the front window", number - "c612lw".
BIRTHDAYS
2.1.5. SEPTEMBER: 15 - Kristine, 28 - Peter
2.2.1. JULY: 11 - Tom, 17 - Jordan
2.2.2.
MARCH: 3 - Maria, 13 - Brandon Lee, 17 - Spears, 19 - "Crystal" (nickname), 21 - James Stone, 24 - Bruce
ANECDOTES
2.2.3.
About a stingy Scotchman.
Phone conversation with Australia.
How to teach a sister to swim?
Two dancing hippos.
A secretary being late.
Phone conversation with Australia.
How to teach a sister to swim?
Two dancing hippos.
A secretary being late.
2.2.4.
..first he created Heaven and Earth...
...I spill more...
"Polite" chemist
Angel in boots
"Happy New Year" on 30 May
...I spill more...
"Polite" chemist
Angel in boots
"Happy New Year" on 30 May
GEOGRAPHICAL NAMES
2.2.5.
Rivers of South America: Amazon, Madeira, Atrato, Tocantins, Magdalena, Rio Negro, Parana, Uruguay, Orinoco, and Sao Francisco.
TERMS AN THEIR INTERPRETATION
2.3.1.
ECLIPTIC is the apparent path of the Sun during a year as seen from Earth or a plane of Earth rotation around the Sun.
2.3.2.
CEPHEID is a type of pulsating star that regularly changes its brilliance in a matter of several days.
2.3.3. PULSAR is a neutron star that radiates a fast sequence of radio waves.
2.3.4.
PROTUBERANCE is a stream of hot gas, similar to a flame, coming out from the Sun's surface.
2.3.5. PARSEC is a unit of length used in astronomy; equal to 3.2616 light years.
2.4.1.
THE KUIPER BELT is the area of the solar system extending from the orbit of Neptune where larger masses of icy bodies are capable of becoming comets.
2.4.2. QUASAR is an outstandingly powerful shining remote galaxy that looks like a star.
2.4.3.
DWARF STAR is an old compressed star that has run out of fuel in its central area and is gradually dying.
2.4.4.
ACCRETION DISC is a disc formed from the substance accumulated around a rotating star.
2.4.5.
LIGHT YEAR is the distance that a ray of light covers in one year and is equal 9 460 000 000 000 kilometres (9460 billion kilometres).
COMPLICATED SIGNS
2.5.1. 
KU 
HI 
U 
I
2.5.2. 
SE 
TO 
TA 
MI
FOREIGN WORDS
2.5.3.
AKAI - book
NIWA - garden
AKI - autumn
MIRU - look
OKURU - send
KUBI - neck
NIWA - garden
AKI - autumn
MIRU - look
OKURU - send
KUBI - neck
2.5.4.
HITO - person
UTAU - sing
ITAI - hurts
SEITO - pupil
IKU - walk
MISE - shop
UTAU - sing
ITAI - hurts
SEITO - pupil
IKU - walk
MISE - shop
CONSTANT VALUES
3.1.1. Elementary charge: e = 1.60 пїЅ 10 (-19) C (coulomb)
3.1.2. Mass of an electron: m (e) = 9.11 пїЅ 10 (-31) kg
3.1.3. Gas mole constant value: R = 8.31 J / K x mol
CODES AND PASSWORDS
3.1.4. 4 84 2 0 7848 477 0 3 22 194 7848 292 0 21758 12 987
3.1.5. Safe code - 555503005
FORMULAS
3.2.1. The formula for the area of an isosceles triangle:
| S = |
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3.2.2. Area formulas for a random triangle:
| S = |
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S =  ; |
S =  |
| S = |
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p =  |
| S = |
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QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
3.2.3.
What is the name of a long nerve cell branch?
Axon.
Axon.
3.2.4.
What is the membrane potential of a nerve cell?
70 millivolts.
70 millivolts.
3.2.5. What is a nerve cell axon branching phenomenon?
DIVERGENCE
3.3.1.
What types of nerve cells are in eye retina?
Amacrine, bipolar, ganglion, horizontal, conus and bacillus.
Amacrine, bipolar, ganglion, horizontal, conus and bacillus.
3.3.2.
What is the atomic mass, the number and the atom scheme of Al (Aluminium)?
The number in the Mendeleyev table is 13, atomic mass equals 27, and the atom scheme is +13 --- 2-8-3 (number of electrons on the orbitals).
The number in the Mendeleyev table is 13, atomic mass equals 27, and the atom scheme is +13 --- 2-8-3 (number of electrons on the orbitals).
3.3.3.
What are the ordinal number and the atomic mass of silver (Ag)?
47 and 107.868.
47 and 107.868.
3.3.4.
What is the ordinal number, the atomic mass and the atomic construction of Chrome (Cr)?
24; 52 (+24 --- 2-8-13-1).
24; 52 (+24 --- 2-8-13-1).
FAMOUS PEOPLE'S LIFESPAN
3.3.5.
Chaplin (1889 - 1977)
Galileo (1564 - 1642)
Newton (1643 - 1727)
Galileo (1564 - 1642)
Newton (1643 - 1727)
TRAIN TIMETABLE
3.4.1. 7 --- 09-21-37-54
3.4.2. 18 --- 02-15-23-45-58
3.4.3. 19 --- 05-12-31-40-49
INTERNATIONAL PHONE CODES
3.4.4. Australia (61): Canberra (62), Melbourne (3), Sydney (2)
3.4.5. Belgium (32): Antwerp (3), Bruges (50), Brussels (2), Gent (91), and Liege (41)
FACTOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION
3.5.1.
According to Polish statistics, an average Pole spends 91250 minutes, or 63.4 days, on shaving during 68 years of his life. Dressing and undressing takes 523 days and he spends 1046 days and 16 hours by the table.
3.5.2.
In New York in 1977 statistics registered 24712 bitten people. Dogs bit people 22076 times, cats - 1152 times, person bit another person 892 times, rats - 542 times, bunnies - 40 times, lions - 3 times and ant-eater - 1 time. Statistics for 1984 are less complete. It is only known that dogs bit people 10659 times and a person bit another person 1593 times.
3.5.3.
In Australia during a snail championship the participant number 806 finished the distance of 182 cm on a tartan road in precisely 19 minutes.
WEIGHT MEASURES
3.5.4. 1 lot = 12.80 g
3.5.5. 1 Gallon = 3.785411784 liters
TABLE DATA
WATERFALLS OF THE WORLD
| Waterfall name | Continent | Height (m) | |
| 4.1.1 | Angel | South America | 1054 |
| 4.1.2 | Tugela | Africa | 933 |
| 4.1.3 | Yosemite | North America | 727.5 |
| 4.1.4 | Utigord | Norway | 610 |
| 4.1.5 | Sutherland | New Zealand | 580 |
| 4.2.1 | Victoria | Africa | 120 |
| 4.2.2 | Iguassu | South America | 72 |
| 4.2.3 | Boyoma | Africa | 60 |
| 4.2.4 | Niagara | North America | 51 |
"PLANETS OF OUR SOLAR SYSTEM" TABLE
| Planet | Distance from the Sun (astronomical units) | Rotation period around the Sun (earth years) | |
| 4.3.1 |
1 astronomical unit is 149.6 million. km | ||
| 4.3.2 | Mercury | 0.387 | 0.24 |
| 4.3.3 | Venus | 0.723 | 0.62 |
| 4.3.4 | Earth | 1 | 1 |
| 4.3.5 | Mars | 1.524 | 1.88 |
| 4.4.1 | Jupiter | 5.203 | 11.86 |
| 4.4.2 | Saturn | 9.539 | 29.46 |
| 4.4.3 | Uranus | 19.18 | 84.02 |
| 4.4.4 | Neptune | 30.07 | 164.52 |
| 4.4.5 | Pluto | 39.44 | 247.7 |
PERSONAL BLOCK OF INFORMATION
4.5.1. The "Spectacles" distinctive feature
4.5.2. Surname, name and middle name: Jones, James Earl
4.5.3. Phone number: 590-23-42
4.5.4. Address: Ocean Street, block 40, apartment 2
4.5.5. Car number: t 723 rp
4.6.1. Cell: 8-901-735-15-74
4.6.2. Pager number: 970-00-03
4.6.3. Telephone subscriber number: 62390
4.6.4. Office number: 421-30-06
4.6.5. Fax: 489-86-47
Craig P
Nov 5, 2015, 10:45:23 AM11/5/15
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I bought the program and worked it around 5 years ago. I thought it was quite good. You definitely have to put some effort and commitment into it to get results. I don't have too many complaints but if I remember correctly the "lessons" eventually become unreasonable. Such as "let's learn Japanese!" And this is like just merely 1 lesson! But no matter. The lessons up until 24 are tough but worthwhile. Sometimes I'd get headaches from concentrating so hard. I still use those techniques to this day.
On Thursday, June 3, 2010 at 4:58:33 PM UTC-4, Lumos wrote:
Hey guys so I'm just wondering what you think of pmemory. This is what
I think of it. They basically use methods that I probably already
know, and that are found in books that have been out for decades.
However, what they offer that these books do not, is 60 hours of
deliberate practice. It sounds like each section is extremely focused,
comprehensive, and that there are instructors available to give you
feedback and provide insight into your progress. I think that is worth
the $300 price tag.
MR
Nov 20, 2015, 12:23:38 AM11/20/15
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So how phenomenal is your memory?
jotaro
Nov 23, 2015, 5:53:43 PM11/23/15
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and even if his memory is phenomenal by applying images and making it look weird and easy to remember.
is memory really is the problem? isnt it like cosmetics. making you look more impressive but at the same time, it doesnt have anything behind it except impress people at parties.?--
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