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Pontus Granström
Oct 27, 2010, 11:36:54 AM10/27/10
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I got hold of a PDF copy of the book "The complete guide to genious".
Is there anyone here that has any experience with it? Is it worth
trying? Anecdotes are welcomed.
Is there anyone here that has any experience with it? Is it worth
trying? Anecdotes are welcomed.
Jelani Sims
Oct 27, 2010, 12:48:07 PM10/27/10
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There was a big discussion about it over at the pmemory forums. The consensus seemed to be that it is bull****. That being said no one there seemed to have tried it and were mainly bashing it because of the ridiculous promises they were making. Things like (u know they call that billionaire guy, Bill Gates a genius, but you could be even smarter than him!) shit like that just makes the course look ridiculous. But like I said no one I know has ever tried it, so while there is probably like a 95% chance that its bullshit, who knows until u try. Btw check out that website, would a genius really make something so horrid?
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Lou
Oct 27, 2010, 11:49:44 PM10/27/10
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Email me the PDF, and I'll give it a go.
Dzialo, Chris
Oct 27, 2010, 11:50:43 PM10/27/10
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If you may, could also e-mail me the PDF? It would be much appreciated.
Pontus Granström
Oct 28, 2010, 1:34:25 AM10/28/10
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Sent.
jörg
Oct 28, 2010, 1:28:50 AM10/28/10
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On 27 Okt., 18:48, Jelani Sims <gouki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Btw check out that website, would a genius
> really make something so horrid?
This website was never made by any genius rather than a company. There
> Btw check out that website, would a genius
> really make something so horrid?
are more websites from the same group such as www.peakgenius.com which
looks a little less horrid than the alternative http://www.geniusintelligence.com/.
I guess the techniques you can learn are mainly image-streaming, some
concentration techniques and recommendations about nutrition and brain
health issues. The website is linked to http://www.mindonedigital.com/
which is responsible in first place for the content I think.
However, I would apreciate to be able to glimpse at the material as
well.
Nocra
Oct 28, 2010, 6:13:06 AM10/28/10
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Pontus Granström
Oct 28, 2010, 6:15:55 AM10/28/10
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It's sent to you.
Lou
Oct 28, 2010, 7:00:38 AM10/28/10
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I read it. There are a lot of claims with hardly any evidence. Reminds
me of Pelmanism, which is to say that the exercises are probably
pretty good for the mind, but the odds of them having beneficial
results to the likes claimed are just about nil. The main exercise is
image streaming, which has been around forever. And the final grand
secret is, well...The Secret (http://www.thesecret.tv/). This is
really an omnibus of intelligence related self-help that's been
floating around the web for years. I'd be annoyed with myself if I
paid $67 for this.
That being said, his wild claims make me want to start up imagine
streaming again. Maybe I can jack my IQ to up to180 and invent that
flying car I've always wanted. What do you guys think?
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> > On Oct 27, 11:36 am, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I got hold of a PDF copy of the book "The complete guide to genious".
> > > Is there anyone here that has any experience with it? Is it worth
> > > trying? Anecdotes are welcomed.
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me of Pelmanism, which is to say that the exercises are probably
pretty good for the mind, but the odds of them having beneficial
results to the likes claimed are just about nil. The main exercise is
image streaming, which has been around forever. And the final grand
secret is, well...The Secret (http://www.thesecret.tv/). This is
really an omnibus of intelligence related self-help that's been
floating around the web for years. I'd be annoyed with myself if I
paid $67 for this.
That being said, his wild claims make me want to start up imagine
streaming again. Maybe I can jack my IQ to up to180 and invent that
flying car I've always wanted. What do you guys think?
On Oct 28, 6:15 am, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's sent to you.
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> > I'd like to check it out too.
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> > On Oct 27, 11:36 am, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I got hold of a PDF copy of the book "The complete guide to genious".
> > > Is there anyone here that has any experience with it? Is it worth
> > > trying? Anecdotes are welcomed.
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Karl Smith
Oct 28, 2010, 7:05:36 AM10/28/10
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I've read a fair amount about image streaming, and I was wondering if anyone knew of any information that implies an IQ increase if I.S. is practised?
thanks
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Pontus Granström
Oct 28, 2010, 7:14:55 AM10/28/10
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I always wanted to build a flying car! ;)
I am getting more and more requests on this book, what is the policy of the group? Is it okej to post "hotlinks"?
I am getting more and more requests on this book, what is the policy of the group? Is it okej to post "hotlinks"?
Samples
Oct 28, 2010, 7:16:49 AM10/28/10
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Hi Pontus!
Pretty skeptical about this, but worth a read.
Do you think you would be able to send me a copy via e-mail? Would be
great if you could.
Thanks,
Sameil Pleirz
Pretty skeptical about this, but worth a read.
Do you think you would be able to send me a copy via e-mail? Would be
great if you could.
Thanks,
Sameil Pleirz
Vassilis P
Oct 28, 2010, 9:36:47 AM10/28/10
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Pontus, what if you posted a shortened version of a "hotlink" via
bit.ly for example for a limited amount of time(and then delete it)
and perhaps with a password?
bit.ly for example for a limited amount of time(and then delete it)
and perhaps with a password?
I hope this isn't against the rules of the group.
Btw, I would want to take a glance at the book.
Thanks,
Vassilis
Oye
Oct 28, 2010, 10:05:10 AM10/28/10
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Before I believed more in many things like these commercial games
Lumosity, those fantastic "genious guides", "let your ADHD be
tranformed in to genious etc", some ridiculous commercial wares
claimed to increase your IQ up to 200, if you just believe youre a
genious, then you will become one"
I dont believe in Lumosity now, I did it before, but I see that game
isnt just serious enough to make any real changes in like attention,
memory, reasoning, aritmethic etc Its fun of course and I guess many
do it cause its just fun.
Yeah, I believed a bit more in those things. But I realise they are
all just commercial junk to make money like all of it. Yeah and I
think all of you are aware of it, but still its very comfortable to
believe in such things because who doesnt want to have superior
intelligence or IQ for example.
But if there are any thing that I really think can affect your
intelligence then it would be the things that are allready mentioned
by many like dual back, aerobic exercise, cognitive training and
cognitive activity, maybe COGMED QM, a healthy diet with ALL fatty
acids, minerals, vitamins especially Sink, Magnesium and Iron,
Meditation, sufficient and good sleep etc, perhaps some drugs like
Ritalin, Adderall, Straterra, some nootrophics etc,
So if this guide doesnt work, you still have many things you can do to
affect your head.
I have one good example: I have solved around 3000 tangram pictures/
puzzles. As beginner I sometimes struggled and I often consulted the
answer sheet with the key. I also needed like most to use the physical
pieces to solve the puzzles.
But that was perhaps the first 500-1000 puzzles. Because after that I
NEVER used the key anytime. And after perhaps 200-400 I could mentally
visualize all the puzzles, but this was only the ones in the easy
level.
But the changes continued:
After 500-1000 I dont ever used the key and I started to visualize
more difficult puzzles and after all this I can visualize about EVERY
puzzle and never consult the key and I can do them mentally in often
less than 20 seconds and thats really fast. Before I could sometimes
struggle in 5-10 minutes with just one single puzzle which was
difficult.
SO this a good example of plasticity, really exciting what?
But its more:
The brain region which is responsible for a large variance of the
visual thinking I think is Dorsolateral Prefrontal Cortex and then I
think of the the more wide version which is equivalent to brodman
areas 8,9 and 44,45,46 and a bid part of 47.
But this part is also responsible for many amny other functions
including the understanding of sarcasm and irony.
Well I have watched Dr. House MD a lot and I guess that have trained
my irony/sarcasm detector somewhat. But I often also have trouble
detect them, but after all this tangram playing I have discovered that
I can detect irony and sarcasm much much better than before. The
explanation? I think all the tangrams induced plasticity in parts of
my Dorsolateral PFC and this affected visual thinking so that the
tangrams became very very easy over time, but it also affected my
irony/sarcasm radar quite much even if I didnt train my irony/sarcasm
directly.
I also have discovered slight changes in my planning ability, for ex I
see that I can sequence and plan a bit better in Medieval 2 and that
coudldnt be due the huge Medieval 2 playing exclusively, but my
dorsolateral PFC works better and therefore I can plan Medieval 2
tactics and strategy better cause the dorsoPFC is also responsible for
planning, it is perhaps the highest cortical area of the frontal lobe
or in other words extremely important.
But my improved planning ability could perhaps instead very possible
be due to my aerobic training and I have actually just trained aerobic
for 3-4 days! I trained 30-60 minutes those days and thats all. But it
was intense. That couldalso affected my foresight, because when you
train then:
- more BDNF into the brain
- increased bloodflow and also therefore more oxygen
- more white matter but thats if you train a lot over many weeks
And these changes affect teh frontal lobes.
Lumosity, those fantastic "genious guides", "let your ADHD be
tranformed in to genious etc", some ridiculous commercial wares
claimed to increase your IQ up to 200, if you just believe youre a
genious, then you will become one"
I dont believe in Lumosity now, I did it before, but I see that game
isnt just serious enough to make any real changes in like attention,
memory, reasoning, aritmethic etc Its fun of course and I guess many
do it cause its just fun.
Yeah, I believed a bit more in those things. But I realise they are
all just commercial junk to make money like all of it. Yeah and I
think all of you are aware of it, but still its very comfortable to
believe in such things because who doesnt want to have superior
intelligence or IQ for example.
But if there are any thing that I really think can affect your
intelligence then it would be the things that are allready mentioned
by many like dual back, aerobic exercise, cognitive training and
cognitive activity, maybe COGMED QM, a healthy diet with ALL fatty
acids, minerals, vitamins especially Sink, Magnesium and Iron,
Meditation, sufficient and good sleep etc, perhaps some drugs like
Ritalin, Adderall, Straterra, some nootrophics etc,
So if this guide doesnt work, you still have many things you can do to
affect your head.
I have one good example: I have solved around 3000 tangram pictures/
puzzles. As beginner I sometimes struggled and I often consulted the
answer sheet with the key. I also needed like most to use the physical
pieces to solve the puzzles.
But that was perhaps the first 500-1000 puzzles. Because after that I
NEVER used the key anytime. And after perhaps 200-400 I could mentally
visualize all the puzzles, but this was only the ones in the easy
level.
But the changes continued:
After 500-1000 I dont ever used the key and I started to visualize
more difficult puzzles and after all this I can visualize about EVERY
puzzle and never consult the key and I can do them mentally in often
less than 20 seconds and thats really fast. Before I could sometimes
struggle in 5-10 minutes with just one single puzzle which was
difficult.
SO this a good example of plasticity, really exciting what?
But its more:
The brain region which is responsible for a large variance of the
visual thinking I think is Dorsolateral Prefrontal Cortex and then I
think of the the more wide version which is equivalent to brodman
areas 8,9 and 44,45,46 and a bid part of 47.
But this part is also responsible for many amny other functions
including the understanding of sarcasm and irony.
Well I have watched Dr. House MD a lot and I guess that have trained
my irony/sarcasm detector somewhat. But I often also have trouble
detect them, but after all this tangram playing I have discovered that
I can detect irony and sarcasm much much better than before. The
explanation? I think all the tangrams induced plasticity in parts of
my Dorsolateral PFC and this affected visual thinking so that the
tangrams became very very easy over time, but it also affected my
irony/sarcasm radar quite much even if I didnt train my irony/sarcasm
directly.
I also have discovered slight changes in my planning ability, for ex I
see that I can sequence and plan a bit better in Medieval 2 and that
coudldnt be due the huge Medieval 2 playing exclusively, but my
dorsolateral PFC works better and therefore I can plan Medieval 2
tactics and strategy better cause the dorsoPFC is also responsible for
planning, it is perhaps the highest cortical area of the frontal lobe
or in other words extremely important.
But my improved planning ability could perhaps instead very possible
be due to my aerobic training and I have actually just trained aerobic
for 3-4 days! I trained 30-60 minutes those days and thats all. But it
was intense. That couldalso affected my foresight, because when you
train then:
- more BDNF into the brain
- increased bloodflow and also therefore more oxygen
- more white matter but thats if you train a lot over many weeks
And these changes affect teh frontal lobes.
Pontus Granström
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Vassilis P
Oct 28, 2010, 10:27:03 AM10/28/10
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Oye I agree with you mostly but I would also like to point out that
these "genius guides" may have cool mental exercises like the ones
described in http://www.rexresearch.com/kahne/kahne.htm which has been
brought up some times in the past. These exercises may have effect on
your IQ, however they are sometimes enjoyable just as solving puzzles.
I don't think anyone in this group would be so naive to believe that
these books would make them genius, however they might have something
interesting to say or an enjoyable activity if you want.
these "genius guides" may have cool mental exercises like the ones
described in http://www.rexresearch.com/kahne/kahne.htm which has been
brought up some times in the past. These exercises may have effect on
your IQ, however they are sometimes enjoyable just as solving puzzles.
I don't think anyone in this group would be so naive to believe that
these books would make them genius, however they might have something
interesting to say or an enjoyable activity if you want.
Btw, thanks Pontus
Vassilis P
Oct 28, 2010, 10:27:48 AM10/28/10
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I meant may have no effect on your IQ
Aman Idle
Oct 28, 2010, 11:17:52 AM10/28/10
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The two things man would not mind having available to him is, an ability to enlargen his private part and a smart pill or something to increase brain intelligence. But i guess we have to wait a bit longer. Things like Dual N Back might help towards the latter goal though. But what if they allready have a pill to make you super smart but won't let you know, becasue then we would be leaders nad not neccsarily followers, and they don't wan't that.
Ok i'm not a big conspiracy theorist, but just had to share this lol.
Jelani Sims
Oct 28, 2010, 11:50:16 AM10/28/10
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The knowledge to increase your penis size is already out there lol. Never heard of penis exercise? And no I'm not joking, I've been doing it for about 2 years.
On Oct 28, 2010 11:17 AM, "Aman Idle" <aman...@googlemail.com> wrote:The two things man would not mind having available to him is, an ability to enlargen his private part and a smart pill or something to increase brain intelligence. But i guess we have to wait a bit longer. Things like Dual N Back might help towards the latter goal though. But what if they allready have a pill to make you super smart but won't let you know, becasue then we would be leaders nad not neccsarily followers, and they don't wan't that.Ok i'm not a big conspiracy theorist, but just had to share this lol.
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Jelani Sims
Oct 28, 2010, 11:51:36 AM10/28/10
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Btw check out the mit media labs neuroengineering group. One of their goals is to improve human cognitive function.
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The two things man would not mind having available to him is, an ability to enlargen his private part and a smart pill or something to increase brain intelligence. But i guess we have to wait a bit longer. Things like Dual N Back might help towards the latter goal though. But what if they allready have a pill to make you super smart but won't let you know, becasue then we would be leaders nad not neccsarily followers, and they don't wan't that.Ok i'm not a big conspiracy theorist, but just had to share this lol.
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Aman Idle
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Nah man penis enlargement is a fraud. I'm not worried too much about mine, but itf it was available i can't think of anyone who is a guy who would not jump on the wagon lol. Ok will check it out.
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Jelani Sims
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I jumped on the wagon a long time ago. And if my current penis isn't an illusion then id have to say it's not a fraud.
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Nah man penis enlargement is a fraud. I'm not worried too much about mine, but itf it was available i can't think of anyone who is a guy who would not jump on the wagon lol. Ok will check it out.
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Actually PE/penis enlargement exercises seem to work for many guys.
You're not familiar with Jelqing, hanging, etc?
On Oct 28, 12:19 pm, Aman Idle <aman.i...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Nah man penis enlargement is a fraud. I'm not worried too much about mine,
> but itf it was available i can't think of anyone who is a guy who would not
> jump on the wagon lol. Ok will check it out.
>
> > .
You're not familiar with Jelqing, hanging, etc?
On Oct 28, 12:19 pm, Aman Idle <aman.i...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Nah man penis enlargement is a fraud. I'm not worried too much about mine,
> but itf it was available i can't think of anyone who is a guy who would not
> jump on the wagon lol. Ok will check it out.
>
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Jelani Sims <gouki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Btw check out the mit media labs neuroengineering group. One of their goals
> > is to improve human cognitive function.
>
> > Btw check out the mit media labs neuroengineering group. One of their goals
> > is to improve human cognitive function.
>
> > On Oct 28, 2010 11:17 AM, "Aman Idle" <aman.i...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > The two things man would not mind having available to him is, an ability
> > to enlargen his private part and a smart pill or something to increase brain
> > intelligence. But i guess we have to wait a bit longer. Things like Dual N
> > Back might help towards the latter goal though. But what if they allready
> > have a pill to make you super smart but won't let you know, becasue then we
> > would be leaders nad not neccsarily followers, and they don't wan't that.
>
> > Ok i'm not a big conspiracy theorist, but just had to share this lol.
>
> > On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Vassilis P <libbocra...@gmail.com>
>
> > The two things man would not mind having available to him is, an ability
> > to enlargen his private part and a smart pill or something to increase brain
> > intelligence. But i guess we have to wait a bit longer. Things like Dual N
> > Back might help towards the latter goal though. But what if they allready
> > have a pill to make you super smart but won't let you know, becasue then we
> > would be leaders nad not neccsarily followers, and they don't wan't that.
>
> > Ok i'm not a big conspiracy theorist, but just had to share this lol.
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He is obviously not. Jelqs for the win!!
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Actually PE/penis enlargement exercises seem to work for many guys.
You're not familiar with Jelqing, hanging, etc?
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Oct 28, 2010, 11:27:35 PM10/28/10
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I bought it several years ago and have used some of the techniques
inconsistently. I think the focus exercises are quite good non online
alternatives for people who have great difficulty concentrating and
whose intellectual performance is impaired vis a vis intellectual
potential. There's nothing magical about the neurofeedback stuff they
offer
and can be found elsewhere. From what I understand the guy who
invented the Genius program is of Indian descent who lives in England;
it's probably true the author did see marked improvements in his own
abilities as a result of this sytem, which he probably was aware of
from a young age -- whether growing up in India or knowing about
these techniques from relatives India. Again, it's speculative, but
I'd guess that he probably really did benefit from the application of
these exercises that've been around for a very, very long time.
It's clear that many Westerners are quite easy to market stuff to and
love fancy, spruced up names for shit that's been around forever.
Other examples outside this guide include Vedic Math and Super Brain
Yoga. Is it a scam? Are all these things scams? It depends. The answer
is yes, to people who know about them and then no to the people who do
not. The guide to genius program will benefit be a people who know
nothing about how to focus their attention. For those with this
knowldge, it's a waste of money which becomes clear as he or she
requests a refund while realizing the old adage, "nothing new under
the sun." But, the old stuff works if applied correctly. What I think
is good about the guide is the author does help with motivation and
advice, most of which is strong and some of it intriguingly
speculative and will benefit the vast majority...so do understand that
the vast majority of people are clueless about a lot of stuff and this
guide can really help gain traction for self improvement in basic ways
that are tried and true going back to ancient times.
That said, I think for people whose attention spans are not
liabilities for their cognitive functioning, the part of the book to
pay attention to is image streaming...I think the author is really
engaging in Star Trekkian gobbledygook with "quantum image streaming"
but that's all part of the marketing snowjob and to get people excited
about the rather dull exercise of image streaming. Very few people
have image streamed consistently and also there's no empirical support
that it does anything to the brain. I do like it in theory (the idea
that the brain cannot detect imagined from real stimuli) but I'm not
convinced enough to devote time to it. I do think if one needs to
think "outside the box" and work on imaging, then this sort of thing
is probably quite beneficial. However, if one needs to learn how to
think "in the box" better one is better off N-backing.
Even anecdotally, however, I'm just not persuaded by the image
streaming accounts that it's worth the time and effort...but that's
mainly because very few people stick w/ it. As for how the guide
differs from Win Wenger's interpretation...there are some interesting
differences but certainly not worth paying for as the main difference
is hype...
this is not to underscore the lack of hype of Wenger's seminal
concept.
The attainable IQ's of 160 by neurofeedback, 180 IQ by image streaming
that the author asserts are appropriately absurd...from a marketing
perspective, the author is playing on consumer ignorance with the
understanding that many average people will respond best to extreme
claims. A tepid, qualified style of marketing is not right for this
sort of internet, affiliate-market product. In other words, I think he
made some decent money off what appears to be a semi-researched
rewrapping of various extant cognitive improvement methods.
inconsistently. I think the focus exercises are quite good non online
alternatives for people who have great difficulty concentrating and
whose intellectual performance is impaired vis a vis intellectual
potential. There's nothing magical about the neurofeedback stuff they
offer
and can be found elsewhere. From what I understand the guy who
invented the Genius program is of Indian descent who lives in England;
it's probably true the author did see marked improvements in his own
abilities as a result of this sytem, which he probably was aware of
from a young age -- whether growing up in India or knowing about
these techniques from relatives India. Again, it's speculative, but
I'd guess that he probably really did benefit from the application of
these exercises that've been around for a very, very long time.
It's clear that many Westerners are quite easy to market stuff to and
love fancy, spruced up names for shit that's been around forever.
Other examples outside this guide include Vedic Math and Super Brain
Yoga. Is it a scam? Are all these things scams? It depends. The answer
is yes, to people who know about them and then no to the people who do
not. The guide to genius program will benefit be a people who know
nothing about how to focus their attention. For those with this
knowldge, it's a waste of money which becomes clear as he or she
requests a refund while realizing the old adage, "nothing new under
the sun." But, the old stuff works if applied correctly. What I think
is good about the guide is the author does help with motivation and
advice, most of which is strong and some of it intriguingly
speculative and will benefit the vast majority...so do understand that
the vast majority of people are clueless about a lot of stuff and this
guide can really help gain traction for self improvement in basic ways
that are tried and true going back to ancient times.
That said, I think for people whose attention spans are not
liabilities for their cognitive functioning, the part of the book to
pay attention to is image streaming...I think the author is really
engaging in Star Trekkian gobbledygook with "quantum image streaming"
but that's all part of the marketing snowjob and to get people excited
about the rather dull exercise of image streaming. Very few people
have image streamed consistently and also there's no empirical support
that it does anything to the brain. I do like it in theory (the idea
that the brain cannot detect imagined from real stimuli) but I'm not
convinced enough to devote time to it. I do think if one needs to
think "outside the box" and work on imaging, then this sort of thing
is probably quite beneficial. However, if one needs to learn how to
think "in the box" better one is better off N-backing.
Even anecdotally, however, I'm just not persuaded by the image
streaming accounts that it's worth the time and effort...but that's
mainly because very few people stick w/ it. As for how the guide
differs from Win Wenger's interpretation...there are some interesting
differences but certainly not worth paying for as the main difference
is hype...
this is not to underscore the lack of hype of Wenger's seminal
concept.
The attainable IQ's of 160 by neurofeedback, 180 IQ by image streaming
that the author asserts are appropriately absurd...from a marketing
perspective, the author is playing on consumer ignorance with the
understanding that many average people will respond best to extreme
claims. A tepid, qualified style of marketing is not right for this
sort of internet, affiliate-market product. In other words, I think he
made some decent money off what appears to be a semi-researched
rewrapping of various extant cognitive improvement methods.
αrgumziΩ
Oct 29, 2010, 12:11:31 AM10/29/10
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1) The phrase "quantum image streaming" probably refers to the idea
that when one image streams, one needs to do it in extraordinary
detail, either silently or aloud.
2) The I.Q. numbers mentioned in the book are meaningless, because
they are without reference to a mean and standard deviation. If
anything, they're there to play common ignorance about intelligence
tests and the quotients/quantifiers obtained by others through them.
3) I've done the recommended amount (for serious undertakings) of 1
full hour of image streaming. I will note that while I didn't care
(yet) to keep it up for an extended period of time, the following
night of sleep was very short and my dreams were remarkably vivid. My
subjective perception is that 1 full hour of IS is equivalent to about
1.5 hours of QNB (which is the minimum time I spent doing that several
times). I'm not saying that the benefits are the same, only that the
immediate effects are.
argumzio
that when one image streams, one needs to do it in extraordinary
detail, either silently or aloud.
2) The I.Q. numbers mentioned in the book are meaningless, because
they are without reference to a mean and standard deviation. If
anything, they're there to play common ignorance about intelligence
tests and the quotients/quantifiers obtained by others through them.
3) I've done the recommended amount (for serious undertakings) of 1
full hour of image streaming. I will note that while I didn't care
(yet) to keep it up for an extended period of time, the following
night of sleep was very short and my dreams were remarkably vivid. My
subjective perception is that 1 full hour of IS is equivalent to about
1.5 hours of QNB (which is the minimum time I spent doing that several
times). I'm not saying that the benefits are the same, only that the
immediate effects are.
argumzio
A.Four.Sigma
Oct 29, 2010, 3:38:12 AM10/29/10
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Oye,
First of all, if you look on another post in this forum, I talked
about a person who trained using tangrams, and I think it was you! I
saw your posts on another site, and mentioned them here. It would be
quite interesting if you are the same poster from that other site! I
have a question, where did you find so many thousands of tangrams? I
would like to start training with them as well. I noticed some
differences in my thinking after playing them for just a few minutes
(probably temporarily increased bloodflow to the DPC). I think they
will help me on RAPM because they are essentially identical. Please
let me know where I can find good tangrams, thanks.
First of all, if you look on another post in this forum, I talked
about a person who trained using tangrams, and I think it was you! I
saw your posts on another site, and mentioned them here. It would be
quite interesting if you are the same poster from that other site! I
have a question, where did you find so many thousands of tangrams? I
would like to start training with them as well. I noticed some
differences in my thinking after playing them for just a few minutes
(probably temporarily increased bloodflow to the DPC). I think they
will help me on RAPM because they are essentially identical. Please
let me know where I can find good tangrams, thanks.
A.Four.Sigma
Oct 29, 2010, 4:02:37 AM10/29/10
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Argumzio,
Can you give any descriptions of the benefits of training QNB for such
long time periods? And the differences between training for shorter
periods? Also, do you have an subjective opinions about the benefits
of training under the different modes (QNB vs combination, vs mode x,
etc.)?
Can you give any descriptions of the benefits of training QNB for such
long time periods? And the differences between training for shorter
periods? Also, do you have an subjective opinions about the benefits
of training under the different modes (QNB vs combination, vs mode x,
etc.)?
Sarah
Oct 29, 2010, 12:36:27 AM10/29/10
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At least the book is a good laugh, even if you can't obtain anything
of value from it.
:-)
of value from it.
:-)
αrgumziΩ
Oct 29, 2010, 1:42:42 PM10/29/10
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i) Playing QNB for more than an hour taxes executive processes much
more thoroughly; one also has the opportunity (after the warm-up
period) to do one's very best during the session, using all of one's
will power to do better on the task.
ii) By way of exclusion, shorter training periods tend to be more
superficial and don't seem to _feel_ as good; one has less chance of
doing better, undermining intrinsic motivation to sustain attention on
the task.
iii) The essential difference between longer and shorter training
periods is the personal competition that more time allows; at any time
I do my training, I always seek to do better, whether it is according
to the average or the n value I am working on. I will even cancel a
session if I get off to a sloppy start.
iv) I have not yet explored other modes as intensely as I have QNB, so
I will not presume personal authority here; however, my guess has been
(and is) that QNB is the first and last frontier of WM training, that
is, insofar as one is attending to four simultaneous events, one is
getting the maximum possible exposure and thus the maximum possible
benefit. Furthermore, if one adds Crab to the process, one will get a
slightly different experience that doesn't give as much room for
improvement, at least according to my experience. In other words, Crab
is more like an evaluation of one's WM fluency, whereas the
traditional DNB format (of which QNB, like others, is a genuine
extension) is the real deal as far as training goes. My opinion may
change regarding this at a later time.
argumzio
more thoroughly; one also has the opportunity (after the warm-up
period) to do one's very best during the session, using all of one's
will power to do better on the task.
ii) By way of exclusion, shorter training periods tend to be more
superficial and don't seem to _feel_ as good; one has less chance of
doing better, undermining intrinsic motivation to sustain attention on
the task.
iii) The essential difference between longer and shorter training
periods is the personal competition that more time allows; at any time
I do my training, I always seek to do better, whether it is according
to the average or the n value I am working on. I will even cancel a
session if I get off to a sloppy start.
iv) I have not yet explored other modes as intensely as I have QNB, so
I will not presume personal authority here; however, my guess has been
(and is) that QNB is the first and last frontier of WM training, that
is, insofar as one is attending to four simultaneous events, one is
getting the maximum possible exposure and thus the maximum possible
benefit. Furthermore, if one adds Crab to the process, one will get a
slightly different experience that doesn't give as much room for
improvement, at least according to my experience. In other words, Crab
is more like an evaluation of one's WM fluency, whereas the
traditional DNB format (of which QNB, like others, is a genuine
extension) is the real deal as far as training goes. My opinion may
change regarding this at a later time.
argumzio
Pontus Granström
Oct 29, 2010, 5:18:26 PM10/29/10
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I am gonna give the einstein factor a try, developed by some PhDs! It's based on image streaming among other things.
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Karl Smith <def...@gmail.com> wrote:
milestones
Oct 29, 2010, 6:07:36 PM10/29/10
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A lot of Win Wenger's (the author of "Einstein Factor") techniques can
be found for free on his website (including image streaming):
http://www.winwenger.com/
I haven't read Einstein Factor. One advantage of a book like that is
to help explain the "why" behind the exercises and help with
motivation. That is the value the Guide to Genius attempts to add. I'd
say at least a third of the ideas included "the Guide to Genius" were
taken (less kindly, "ripped off") from Wenger. The other ideas, as I
said in my last post, have been around for a long time. I have to
admit though that before buying the guide to genius, I had no idea
about straring at the edges of things -- like coins and fingers --
would offer a perceptual boost (which I have found to be the case).
So, learning about these things was worthwhile. And also at the time
that I bought the guide I had no idea about brain training -- so, for
me, the purchase was worth it as it also lead to investigating other
things (like DNB).
be found for free on his website (including image streaming):
http://www.winwenger.com/
I haven't read Einstein Factor. One advantage of a book like that is
to help explain the "why" behind the exercises and help with
motivation. That is the value the Guide to Genius attempts to add. I'd
say at least a third of the ideas included "the Guide to Genius" were
taken (less kindly, "ripped off") from Wenger. The other ideas, as I
said in my last post, have been around for a long time. I have to
admit though that before buying the guide to genius, I had no idea
about straring at the edges of things -- like coins and fingers --
would offer a perceptual boost (which I have found to be the case).
So, learning about these things was worthwhile. And also at the time
that I bought the guide I had no idea about brain training -- so, for
me, the purchase was worth it as it also lead to investigating other
things (like DNB).
Lou
Oct 29, 2010, 7:16:46 PM10/29/10
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If you are looking for a significant perceptual adjustment and if you
are new to drawing or painting, read "Drawing on the Right Brain", and
do the exercises. It wouldn't surprise me if these exercises increased
your intelligence more than anything in "The Complete Guide to
Genius." Her description of how the brain works, of course, is just
flat wrong, but she acknowledges that she is guessing when it comes to
the brain. I've had many people tell me that they looked at the world
much differently after doing her exercises, and being able to
understand old things in new ways, regardless of how the brain works,
is probably what we are all after whether we know it or not. I'd give
the "Complete Guide to Genius" one star and "Drawing on Right Side of
The Brain" five stars in the Lou's worth it scale.
are new to drawing or painting, read "Drawing on the Right Brain", and
do the exercises. It wouldn't surprise me if these exercises increased
your intelligence more than anything in "The Complete Guide to
Genius." Her description of how the brain works, of course, is just
flat wrong, but she acknowledges that she is guessing when it comes to
the brain. I've had many people tell me that they looked at the world
much differently after doing her exercises, and being able to
understand old things in new ways, regardless of how the brain works,
is probably what we are all after whether we know it or not. I'd give
the "Complete Guide to Genius" one star and "Drawing on Right Side of
The Brain" five stars in the Lou's worth it scale.
Arkanj3l
Oct 29, 2010, 9:57:38 PM10/29/10
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I don't know how anyone can take this thing seriously. With a couple
of exceptions we already know that most of these techniques are
somewhat unfounded and outdated. The two I saw in here that could
possibly have been help were the Pseudo-Telekinesis (nice way of
making focusing sound fancy btw) and running. THESE have plenty of
evidence. Funny enough, he only linked to a study he reuploaded on his
website (why not the source? Oh, that's right; there isn't one. Not
one uploaded to a reputable journal's website, anyway).
I mean I know I'm skeptic of N-Back but at least there are plenty of
verifying researches in that area, despite us not knowing *exactly*
what it does (I find this important because I don't want to kid
myself). There is one, let me repeat that, ONE *non-peer reviewed*
study for IS, and that should already be a big yellow light if not a
big red one for everyone here.
Scientific studies are like flipping a coin, and on heads you remove a
bullet from a fully loaded revolver that you're playing Russian
Roulette with. It's a long and arduous process, but you're much better
off flipping as many coins as possible rather than running into the
game and making your guess too quickly. Scientific studies are about
as valid as a coin flip, too.
of exceptions we already know that most of these techniques are
somewhat unfounded and outdated. The two I saw in here that could
possibly have been help were the Pseudo-Telekinesis (nice way of
making focusing sound fancy btw) and running. THESE have plenty of
evidence. Funny enough, he only linked to a study he reuploaded on his
website (why not the source? Oh, that's right; there isn't one. Not
one uploaded to a reputable journal's website, anyway).
I mean I know I'm skeptic of N-Back but at least there are plenty of
verifying researches in that area, despite us not knowing *exactly*
what it does (I find this important because I don't want to kid
myself). There is one, let me repeat that, ONE *non-peer reviewed*
study for IS, and that should already be a big yellow light if not a
big red one for everyone here.
Scientific studies are like flipping a coin, and on heads you remove a
bullet from a fully loaded revolver that you're playing Russian
Roulette with. It's a long and arduous process, but you're much better
off flipping as many coins as possible rather than running into the
game and making your guess too quickly. Scientific studies are about
as valid as a coin flip, too.
Arkanj3l
Oct 29, 2010, 9:59:51 PM10/29/10
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Addendum: I meant to say that he only linked to one study for Image
Streaming, and not for the other techniques, despite the plenitude of
work done on meditation and/or running. That's just poor quality, and
to me shows a lack of faith more than an affirmation of it.
Streaming, and not for the other techniques, despite the plenitude of
work done on meditation and/or running. That's just poor quality, and
to me shows a lack of faith more than an affirmation of it.
Arkanj3l
Oct 29, 2010, 10:17:29 PM10/29/10
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And finally, let us apply Occam's razor here: Image Streaming is
talking.
Win Wegner's concept of the brain is nice, but ultimately unchecked,
unproved, and unfounded, so let's ignore it. But, assuming that some
people receive effects, what's a possible and more simple explanation?
That with image streaming, you're practicing talking, the same way a
public speaker would talk to himself to try and formulate nicer
sentences (guilty) or babies talk out loud so that they can get better
at getting out their words correctly. So I believe that this is
fundamentally what image streaming is, because it seems to be the
least convoluted, bullshit free answer possible. So long as none of us
choose to garner objective evidence about increases in IQ, figurative
or verbal creativity, we should not step out of our rational reins.
Verbal fluency is practicable, and it also has ties to creativity. Not
necessarily figurative creativity, but definitely verbal creativity,
so talking out loud improving it isn't the largest stretch of the
imagination. It would be improving a crystallized IQ score, so that
could explain a so called gain in IQ tests.
And, guys, in the study, the people had average IQs that were five
points below the norm. It's not a group that is in any way
representational of the people here (just look at the census that was
created a while back). I'm not surprised that they could improve their
IQ score by practicing their verbal fluency for prolonged periods of
time for a while.
talking.
Win Wegner's concept of the brain is nice, but ultimately unchecked,
unproved, and unfounded, so let's ignore it. But, assuming that some
people receive effects, what's a possible and more simple explanation?
That with image streaming, you're practicing talking, the same way a
public speaker would talk to himself to try and formulate nicer
sentences (guilty) or babies talk out loud so that they can get better
at getting out their words correctly. So I believe that this is
fundamentally what image streaming is, because it seems to be the
least convoluted, bullshit free answer possible. So long as none of us
choose to garner objective evidence about increases in IQ, figurative
or verbal creativity, we should not step out of our rational reins.
Verbal fluency is practicable, and it also has ties to creativity. Not
necessarily figurative creativity, but definitely verbal creativity,
so talking out loud improving it isn't the largest stretch of the
imagination. It would be improving a crystallized IQ score, so that
could explain a so called gain in IQ tests.
And, guys, in the study, the people had average IQs that were five
points below the norm. It's not a group that is in any way
representational of the people here (just look at the census that was
created a while back). I'm not surprised that they could improve their
IQ score by practicing their verbal fluency for prolonged periods of
time for a while.
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Alland Padgett
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Hello Pontus, would youplease get me a copy of that PDF too? Thank you!!!!
2015-04-29 6:52 GMT-05:00 Jay R C <jcampel...@gmail.com>:
Hi,
I have been practicing on and off (more off) some techniques in the guide. I can tell you that if you are consistent (as I was in certain periods), it really makes a difference, and from what I have seen long term practice could result in something really big.
You should practice 20-30 minutes of concentration exercises,and then 30-40 of image streaming. Most people jump only into image streaming (because it promises to take you into genius levels) when they lack in concentration, thus getting zero results.`
If you read the power of concentration from William Walker Atkinson, or Concentration by Mouni Sadhu, you will easilly understand the origins of Pseudo Telekinesis, and even image streaming.. Good luck!
quarta-feira, 27 de Outubro de 2010 às 16:36:54 UTC+1, King Of The Stars escreveu:
I got hold of a PDF copy of the book "The complete guide to genious".
Is there anyone here that has any experience with it? Is it worth
trying? Anecdotes are welcomed.
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Could someone who still have "The complete guide to genius" PDF share it with me. The link provided before doesn't work anymore.
Dvora
Nov 21, 2020, 1:24:08 PM11/21/20
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hey
please email me that as well.
thanks
thanks
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Pedro Cooper
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Me as well thanks
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I dont have it anymore.
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The book is on libgen, it looks like.
K. What's your email address then?
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K. What's your email address then?
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Here is the guide :
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