Eating monatomic gold makes us super humans?

[Pontus Granström]

I saw in a video about "Annunaki" that eating white powder monatomic gold, due to it's superconductor ability would make us super humans. The reasoning goes that it improves the efficiency of the neutral pathways.
I know there was someone here who recommended some "gold product" before, if you could please post it again I would be happy. I added the video as well, the gold business is in the first part of the movie.

http://www.whitepowdergold.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsTdsUG6ADc&feature=related

[whoisbambam]

hmmm

curiosity is fine but we must remain balanced

a mentor/colleague may be in order (that is logical and scientific) to
assist in that balance

just an opinion, of course

dont go too far alone

[Gwern Branwen]

Leaving aside the incredibly dubious reasoning (there's a reason the
myelination isn't *everywhere*), I would stay the hell away from gold
for the same reasons I could silver:

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#Adverse_health_effects
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria

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[Karl Smith]

I've been taking colloidal silver for years and I'm not blue. When I was really ill, I even downed half a bottle of the stuff in one go. The whole Argyria thing is just scare tactics by big pharmaceuticals that are fearful that the herd/sheeple might find out that they don't need all those expensive, toxic and poisonous chemicals they call medication to live a healthy and disease free life.

The story of the man going blue is from ages ago when the technology was still rudimentary. The guy also drank litres of badly made colloidal silver everyday.

It's hilarious, you'll stay away from silver, yet, I bet you go and get injected with the third most toxic metal known to man (mercury) in the arm yearly (vaccinations).

When there's a H5N1 scare, I go for the Colloidal Silver every time; keep needles away from me.

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[whoisbambam]

i think sun chlorella and hmd detox can get rid of that mercury

i dont know enough about this gold to recommend

but i think it may warrant caution--but i am uninformed really

i think i will stick with high dose magnesium l-threonate and let
Pontus tell me his results of taking this compound AFTER he fully
researches this and at least consults a couple MDs or chemical
scientists etc

On Feb 27, 12:22 pm, Karl Smith <defc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been taking colloidal silver for years and I'm not blue. When I was
> really ill, I even downed half a bottle of the stuff in one go. The whole
> Argyria thing is just scare tactics by big pharmaceuticals that are fearful
> that the herd/sheeple might find out that they don't need all those
> expensive, toxic and poisonous chemicals they call medication to live a
> healthy and disease free life.
>
> The story of the man going blue is from ages ago when the technology was
> still rudimentary. The guy also drank litres of badly made colloidal silver
> everyday.
>
> It's hilarious, you'll stay away from silver, yet, I bet you go and get
> injected with the third most toxic metal known to man (mercury) in the arm
> yearly (vaccinations).
>
> When there's a H5N1 scare, I go for the Colloidal Silver every time; keep
> needles away from me.
>
> On 27 February 2011 17:56, Gwern Branwen <gwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

> > On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 6:34 AM, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com>

> > wrote:
> > > I saw in a video about "Annunaki" that eating white powder monatomic
> > gold,
> > > due to it's superconductor ability would make us super humans. The
> > reasoning
> > > goes that it improves the efficiency of the neutral pathways.
> > > I know there was someone here who recommended some "gold product" before,
> > if
> > > you could please post it again I would be happy. I added the video as
> > well,
> > > the gold business is in the first part of the movie.
>
> > >http://www.whitepowdergold.com/
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsTdsUG6ADc&feature=related
>
> > Leaving aside the incredibly dubious reasoning (there's a reason the
> > myelination isn't *everywhere*), I would stay the hell away from gold
> > for the same reasons I could silver:
>
> > -

> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#Adverse_health_ef...
> > -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria

[likeprestige]

I think it's plausible for me to say that I will be meeting you rather
than greeting you on the other side (if there were one) Pontus.

[whoisbambam]

LOL

> >http://www.whitepowdergold.com/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsTdsUG...

[cyberslaw]

I had a girlfriend once who had a penchant for eating these handmade
chocolates
that had 24 karat gold leafs on them,yeah i know rich-bitch,any way
she would eat at least 50 grams
of those a day maybe even more,and she never got sick from it,far from
it that this would be
any real evidence but if she got smarter she probably wouldn't eat
those :)...

[whoisbambam]

gold chloride IS toxic

monoatomic white gold--the real stuff--not most of the stuff being
sold online--is NOT gold chloride

> >http://www.whitepowdergold.com/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsTdsUG...

[Pontus Granström]

At the moment I think it's a bit too expensive, but I might give it a try in the future. Hey if it's good enough for the aliens ;)

[Pontus Granström]

In case you didn't some medicine for rheumatic people contains gold.

[Działo, Christopher]

Pontus,

After reading about this gold, I would like to order some. Does it appear to be safe with any scientific research on effects? I suppose I could always search myself. Heh.

[Pontus Granström]

I doubt that it's more deadly than being injected with mercury ;) If you get some please tell us what you think of it. You might get a "annunaki brain" LOL!

2011/2/28 Działo, Christopher <chris...@gmail.com>

[Pontus Granström]

I did some calculation, if you get an one ounce bottle of white powder gold, you get 400-600 drops. Using 4 drops a day will get you in the best case 150 days of annunaki doping. I haven't found
any recommended dose yet though.

[Działo, Christopher]

Hahah. =p
I can only hope.

[Aman Idle]

annunaki brain lol, sounds like some crazy fun ;-)

2011/2/28 Działo, Christopher <chris...@gmail.com>

[kayakMike]

Save your money...

I believe that there is enough evidence that n-back tasks can promote
gains in intelligence, but there is no evidence to back up any claims
about monatomic gold. Most of the video appeared to be complete
fiction, including the monatomic gold claims.

Gold, "monatomic" or otherwise, while a GOOD conductor at room
temperature, never has been observed to display the superconducting
effect. Mercury, does become superconducting at about 4.1 Kelvin,
quite comparably cold to human body temperature. Mercury, however, is
quite poisonous. Suggestions that anything related to
superconductivity increasing intelligence is extremely dubious.

Furthermore, the video struck me as unusual in that the only
information sources were suggested to be dead, killed by the new world
order to keep material in the video a secret. Now, the video also
suggested that there was a global initiative to monitor all
communications. Strange how this same global initiative would allow
this video of secrets to persist on the internet.

In the future, lets use these extra IQ points for thinking critically
and rationally.

[whoisbambam]

scams have been going on since the beginnings of civilization, 1700bc
hammurabi:
If a builder build a house for some one, and does not construct it
properly, and the house which he built fall in and kill its owner,
then that builder shall be put to death.

Gold the metal probly just passes thru ur gi tract

gold ions and salts are toxic even if they have been used to treat
certain conditions in the past--chemotherapy is toxic too, but the
factors must be weighed





On Mar 2, 9:55 am, αrgvmziΩ σV <argum...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thinking critically and rationally fall within the province of
> acquired skills and personality, not I.Q. per se.
>
> Anyone who has even the most basic familiarity with chemistry,
> neurochemistry, and human biology will know that gold is not utilized
> by the body, let alone the brain. (Gold salts and other gold compounds
> might even be toxic when ingested.) Myelination, or myelinogenesis, of
> the brain, which is what is at issue here, has an entirely different
> etiology, arising from the use of lipids and proteins applied to axons
> that undergo persistent use, leading to thickening with time (i.e.,
> pratice effects leading to improved neuronal transmission and hence
> overall cognitive speed).
>
> There's more to say, but scams like these have been going on for a
> long time, because there will always be plenty of "believers" who
> waste cash on false promises.
>
> Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to do my weekly healing-stone
> therapy, followed by an hour of glossolalia.
>
> argumzio

> > >http://www.whitepowdergold.com/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsTdsUG...

[Pontus Granström]

Some info on gold in the treatment of people with arthritis.

http://www.rheumatoidarthritissupport.com/article/gold-how-does-it-work-for-rheumatoid-arthritis

[whoisbambam]

yeah, and i can show u chemo too--who cares

chemo is toxic, outweighs the cvancer

gold salts ARE toxic, outweighs the arthritis symptoms by SOME
rheumatologists

On Mar 2, 2:23 pm, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Some info on gold in the treatment of people with arthritis.
>

> http://www.rheumatoidarthritissupport.com/article/gold-how-does-it-wo...

[Pontus Granström]

Yes, but white powder gold is it really comparable to gold salts?

[whoisbambam]

Pontus--i have no idea

:)

if you eat 24carat gold flakes, it should just pass thru ur gi tract--
pure gold is not reactive to our gi tracts unless u have some sort of
sensitivity


ionic forms have different effects and can be quite reactive--
including downright toxic


that is why i suggestive advise by mds and scientists locally u can go
talk to

On Mar 2, 2:43 pm, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, but white powder gold is it really comparable to gold salts?
>

[Pontus Granström]

I found this article http://hubpages.com/hub/What-are-Colloidal-Gold-and-Monatomic-Gold seems like it's pretty safe and increases IQ at least this is what they claim has been the result in studies.

[likeprestige]

Are you able to find any scientific literature to vouch?

On Mar 3, 10:09 pm, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I found this articlehttp://hubpages.com/hub/What-are-Colloidal-Gold-and-Monatomic-Goldseems

> like it's pretty safe and increases IQ at least this is what they claim has
> been the result in studies.
>

[milestones]

> I found this articlehttp://hubpages.com/hub/What-are-Colloidal-Gold-and-Monatomic-Goldseems

> like it's pretty safe and increases IQ at least this is what they claim has
> been the result in studies.

"In studies, it was shown that people who took colloidal gold daily
for a month showed increased ability to concentrate and raised IQ
levels"

As far as I know there's only one study that I came across (a long
while back) on the web with Colloidal gold....it was a pilot study
with 4 or 5 participants who showed significant gains on the WAIS (or
a variant of it). I recall that those conducting the pilot mentioned
they were hopeful for a study with more participants to take place in
the future (I'm not sure if that is been carried out or not). The
pilot is way too few people to pay attention to at all seriously.
There was no placebo group as I recall either, which makes it weak,
weak, weak. I'm not interested enough in this topic to search the web
for it but if you look around I bet the pilot study can be found via
search engline.

[milestones]

Okay, found it. Easier than I thought. Here you go:

http://www.purestcolloids.com/colloidal-gold-studies.php

[likeprestige]

Thanks milestones.

I didn't notice the date of the study, however, judging by the latest
reference I'm guessing the study is at least 10 years old. I find it
strange that they wouldn't explore this question a little further
after demonstrating a positive result, regardless of it's statistical
significance.

[Pontus Granström]

Effect of Colloidal Metallic Gold on Cognitive Functions: A Pilot Study


Guy E. Abraham, MD; Souhaila A. McReynolds; Joel S. Dill, PhD
Optimox Corporation, Torrance, California

http://www.colloidalgold.com/study.htm

I found this one that shows an increase in IQ of 25 points.

[whoisbambam]

look, make sure you get local opinions


the study used aurasal:
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Aurasol/Opt_Aurasol.html


i would suggest sticking with that directly from the manufacture IF u
r going to do this

if u do, get iq tests before and after and share

personally, it sounds risky

wpuld be nice to see larger studies

On Mar 3, 8:12 am, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Effect of Colloidal Metallic Gold on Cognitive Functions: A Pilot Study
>
> Guy E. Abraham, MD; Souhaila A. McReynolds; Joel S. Dill, PhD

> Optimox Corporation, Torrance, California*
>
> *http://www.colloidalgold.com/study.htm

>
> I found this one that shows an increase in IQ of 25 points.

> *
>
> *

[kayakMike]

I read the article, seems scientifically sound. Interesting, here is
a quote:

"We rheumatologists have really never understood how gold works."

The article goes on to implicate that gold interacts with a specific
molecule related to

[kayakMike]

The only article that appeared to be scientifically sound was the one
on arthritis as its being researched at Duke University, but has NO
relevance to increasing intelligence at all.

All other claims of increased intelligence come with anecdotal
suggestions about long lived biblical figures and artifacts,
extraterrestrials, and sometimes the Illuminati. Also, much of the
science sited by the original videos is just plain incorrect. Birds
of a feather, flock together. The idea that gold increases
intelligence idea would take a major walk of faith based on the other
ideas that its prevented with. Also, if gold were to be as much a
break through as suggested in these articles, the folks in the Duke
research study would have shown at least a slight "superhuman"
development.

On Mar 3, 7:39 am, likeprestige <plastic...@live.com.au> wrote:

[likeprestige]

One thing that I am yet to comprehend is as to why they chose this
research question:

"Can _colloidal gold_ be seen as a potential cognitive enhancer?"

Why would anyone think of gold above anything else?

Obviously re-testing is a big factor, however, it's still intriguing
as to why this more than spontaneous question hasn't been explored any
further after _they_ reported a positive result/s.


On Mar 4, 9:49 am, αrgvmziΩ σV <argum...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Let's add a dose of reality to this:
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=ee4KTFdIabAC&pg=PA206&lpg=PA206&dq=w...
>
> "Practice Effects on the WAIS-R. Matarazzo and Herman (1984a) combined
> two WAIS-R stability samples (Wechsler, 1981, Table 11) into a single
> group of 119 normal adults, ages 25-54, to study the distributions of
> changes in IQ on retesting after an interval of about 1 month. The
> largest losses for anyone in the sample were 12 points on each IQ
> scale; lagerst gains were 15 points in V-IQ, 28 points in P-IQ, and 20
> points in FS-IQ. Their analyses showed that meaningful losses in IQ on
> retesting were rare, occurring less than 10% of the time for Verbal IQ
> and less than 5% of the time for Performance and Full Scale IQs.
> Indeed, the practice effect on WAIS-R IQs was so profound that nearly
> half of the adults tested improved notably (i.e., more than the error
> of measurement) on the Verbal Scale, and almost three-quarters of the
> sample improved substantially on the Performance and Full Scales,.
> Whereas gains in Verbal IQ tended to be modest, improvement on the
> Performance Scale was typically large and was sometimes dramatic."
>
> Naturally, the study cited in support of "the effect of colloidal gold
> on IQ" is silent on this obvious issue of re-test effects, though it
> is suspiciously specious when it states this: "Since both the verbal
> (non-learning and performance (learning) scores contributed equally to
> the increased values observed in the total IQ scores following
> colloidal gold, the positive effect of colloidal gold cannot be
> attributed solely to learning the correct responses on the second test
> due to repetition." Note: this contradicts the data given in the
> paragraph above.
>
> Given the gain from practice, I would seriously doubt that any gains
> could be attributed to some unstated effect of colloidal gold
> ingestion. One could do this study on any number of tests, and I doubt
> they'd very rarely show significant gains on account of colloidal gold
> once other factors have been taken into account.
>
> argumzio

[likeprestige]

I realize it's not a positive result, my question was in relation to
why they decided not to continue research when they created the
perception of a positive result.

What benefit is there in creating this false perception (that is, if
they are aware of doing so)? So similar standing from your POV.

"why the heck not"

Well, I don't know why gold is more significant than dirt, especially
in the 1990's when there is certainly a greater understanding of
chemistry. I don't think the answer to this is redundant, I'm hinting
there was a sound reason rather than "ok let's just put our rod in the
water with our colloidal gold as bate and see what bites!"



On Mar 4, 12:33 pm, αrgvmziΩ σV <argum...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My point is it *is not* a positive result for colloidal gold's
> influence on I.Q. It's a rehash of practice effects, which have been
> documented for the WAIS-R (used in the study). The more intriguing
> question is why they failed to properly address this obvious confound
> of practice effects, which must be included in a study of this kind,
> not "why did they use gold at all" (the obvious answer to which would
> be "why the heck not?").
>
> argumzio

[milestones]

On Mar 4, 10:33 am, αrgvmziΩ σV <argum...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My point is it *is not* a positive result for colloidal gold's
> influence on I.Q. It's a rehash of practice effects, which have been
> documented for the WAIS-R (used in the study). The more intriguing
> question is why they failed to properly address this obvious confound
> of practice effects, which must be included in a study of this kind,

> My point is it *is not* a positive result for colloidal gold's
> influence on I.Q. It's a rehash of practice effects, which have been
> documented for the WAIS-R (used in the study). The more intriguing
> question is why they failed to properly address this obvious confound
> of practice effects, which must be included in a study of this kind,
> not "why did they use gold at all" (the obvious answer to which would
> be "why the heck not?").

Yes, good point. In reading this again I found this statement in the
Abstract to be odd and also scientifically irrelevant: "One of us
(GEA) has observed a significant subjective improvement of mental
performance in 21 adult subjects after ingestion of a preparation of
colloidal metallic gold (Aurasol(R)) for 3 to 9 months at a daily
dosage
of 15 mg of gold (unpublished)." This sort of anecdotal report is
okay
for internet messageboards -- but even most of us here at this group
try to show some skepticism about any improvements we observe. It
seems the authors of this study only offer unquestioning zeal for what
they want to
market. (The trademark next to Aurasal gives us a clue). This study
smells
like propaganda to me.

[likeprestige]

:-)

[kayakMike]

I agree with αrgvmziΩ σV.

On Mar 4, 11:37 am, αrgvmziΩ σV <argum...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you don't mean the question rhetorically, then I would say there's
> quite a bit of history around the touted significance of gold. I mean,
> look at it, it's so shiny, like the sun (symbol for gold is the sun
> with a dot in the center), so surely it must have some powerful effect
> on us all-important humans, right? Beyond the mystical intuitions and
> paltry superstitions involved here, there is no reason one would
> choose gold instead of something else (dirt is actually good for you,
> unlike gold). There is no experimental background that would have
> suggested the possibility of gold's benefits here, so these guys have
> only the folklore and collective consciousness of its possible value
> to fall back on. While this is rank pseudoscience that relies on
> superficial statistics to prop itself up to seem valid, the reason
> they chose gold is probably because they're sure other people out
> there already *feel* that gold has an effect. Nothing like a
> scientific-y article to make it appear truly legit!
>
> argumzio

[likeprestige]

Dirt... interesting. What kind of dirt (lol)?

On Mar 5, 3:37 am, αrgvmziΩ σV <argum...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you don't mean the question rhetorically, then I would say there's
> quite a bit of history around the touted significance of gold. I mean,
> look at it, it's so shiny, like the sun (symbol for gold is the sun
> with a dot in the center), so surely it must have some powerful effect
> on us all-important humans, right? Beyond the mystical intuitions and
> paltry superstitions involved here, there is no reason one would
> choose gold instead of something else (dirt is actually good for you,
> unlike gold). There is no experimental background that would have
> suggested the possibility of gold's benefits here, so these guys have
> only the folklore and collective consciousness of its possible value
> to fall back on. While this is rank pseudoscience that relies on
> superficial statistics to prop itself up to seem valid, the reason
> they chose gold is probably because they're sure other people out
> there already *feel* that gold has an effect. Nothing like a
> scientific-y article to make it appear truly legit!
>
> argumzio
>
> On Mar 3, 11:48 pm, likeprestige <plastic...@live.com.au> wrote:
>

[Arkanj3l]

The kind that contains mycobacterium vaccae, I believe. Increased
serotonin receptors in the hippocampus and improved learning in rats.

[W.J. Colyer (letters and numbers)]

Gold is indeed a part of healing for people. It can be many colors and even colorless.

On Sunday, February 27, 2011 9:34:25 AM UTC-5, King Of The Stars wrote:

I saw in a video about "Annunaki" that eating white powder monatomic gold, due to it's superconductor ability would make us super humans. The reasoning goes that it improves the efficiency of the neutral pathways.
I know there was someone here who recommended some "gold product" before, if you could please post it again I would be happy. I added the video as well, the gold business is in the first part of the movie.

http://www.whitepowdergold.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsTdsUG6ADc&feature=related

[Colin Dickerman]

No, it isn't.

We're talking about a product that people are making money from-that's enough to explain any miraculous claims that are made for taking it.

[Brendan Georgeson]

The Ormus Monoatomic Gold product that has been independently voted Worlds #1  is at www.alchemicalelixirs.com    

[Wielo Słowie]

"Independendently voted Worlds #1 by .... Ormus Guide". What a ridicule :D

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[Kanai Lal Das]

Monatomic Minerals were actually being studied in the Soviet Union as early as 1973. In fact, the then Soviet Union was far ahead of the rest of the world in researching water and salt and had already revealed that monatomic minerals were found in sea water and other sources of mined salt. It was only a couple of decades ago that an American farmer, David Hudson, accidentally stumbled upon monatomic gold and other monatomic elements after dousing his fields with sulphuric acid to loosen the mineral salts in his soil. The resulting "white powder" that remained, is reported to exhibited very strange properties, among them, invisibility, negative gravity, and super conductivity. These properties in themselves are remarkable and almost beyond belief.
What Are Monatomic Elements? (Conventional View)
David Hudson coined the term ORMEs (Orbitally Rearranged Monatomic Elements) to describe the strange white powder, incapable of being perceived by the mind or senses, that comes from gold, platinum group metals, and other "transitional" metals. These "transitional" minerals have not yet "transitioned" into the usual atomic structure characteristic of metallic minerals. The electrons in monatomic minerals exist in what is called a "high spin state". Science refers to these minerals as "exotic"matter, not yet known and not shown on the Periodic Table of Elements. However, new physics indicate that the white powder may not be mon-atomic, but diatomic, or small cluster "condensates". With this, we generally refer to these elements asORMUS or "M-State" elements.
Analysis of m-state elements has disclosed that their physical weight can be decreased to a negative value at specific high temperatures. Incredible as it seems, these elements actually levitate! What's more, they can also be coaxed into becoming superconductive, and even to resonate in other, parallel dimensions.
There is a growing belief among researchers, that the rediscovery of monatomic elements form a link in what appears to be an unbroken chain that spans across centuries of Earth's history back to antiquity. All of recorded history up to present day, revolves around the creation, possession, and employment of monatomic gold. Alchemy, it appears, is not about creating gold from base metals, but turning gold into monatomic, white powder.
Recorded in ancient documents, manuscripts, and text we find reference to the "philosopher's stone," "white gold," "manna," and the "golden fleece," In biblical terms, we're familiar with the "Ark of the Covenant," the golden chest that Moses took on his journey to Jerusalem to be housed in a temple there. In ancient Mesopotamia, they called this power "shemanna," or high fire stone, the ancient Egyptians called it "mfkzt," where it was formed into conical shaped cakes and fed to the pharaohs and temple priests as a food to activate their "Ka" or light body. This was believed to raise the awareness and abilities for leadership, tune the intuition and perceptions, and heighten the overall consciousness. It was also considered to be the key ingredient of longevity and vitality. In Alexandria it was revered as the "paradise stone."

www.facebook.com/monoatomics

[Damian SpawnofSatan]

from Rational wiki please read the entire thing not just the supposed claims

 ORMUS, also called ORMEs (Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements) and m-state materials, is a fictitious group of substances exhibiting many miraculous properties, such as healing powers and superconductivity at room temperature. They were supposedly discovered in 1975 by David Hudson, a cotton farmer from Arizona.

 

Claimed properties of ORMUS

Chemically, ORMUS is supposed to be precious metals (gold, platinum, iridium, etc.) in an exotic state of matter, where the metals do not form any bonds or crystals but exist as separate single atoms. At the same time, it is supposedly the material that soul and/or the life force of all organisms is made of, an "essence of life". When mixed with water, "it forms a gelatinous suspension that looks just like semen."^[1]

Here's a selection of what ORMUS can supposedly do:^[1][2]

• Cure all forms of disease, including cancer and AIDS
• Correct errors in the DNA
• Act as a superconductor
• Emit gamma radiation
• Partially levitate in the Earth's magnetic field
• Read a person's mind
• Have a "weigh-ability" different from mass, which probably means an inertial mass different from the gravitational mass
• Be fused into a transparent glass
• Act as a flash powder, causing "explosions of light"
• Make severed cat tails grow back^[3]

Hudson reportedly spent "over five million dollars" to obtain his samples of ORMUS. He also claims that ORMUS was a subject of research in several national laboratories in the U.S. In 1989, he managed to get a British patent on his invention, which ran out in 1993.^[4]

[edit]Non-exhaustive list of errors

Despite being surprisingly literate in scientific jargon, Hudson is definitely not a scientist. Most of the time, he is babbling incoherently and not even wrong or teaching a disfigured version of a high school chemistry curriculum. At the few times when he does get coherent, there are glaring mistakes. Here are some of them:

• He refers to legitimate scientific publications in the field of nuclear chemistry about deformed and superdeformed nuclei, without realizing that these papers talk about excited nuclear states which can only be observed in particle accelerators at extremely short timescales. Separating any macroscopic amount of them is impossible, because they completely decay within microseconds from their formation.^[1]
• He claims that gold forms a free, uncomplexed hydride - a chemical impossibility; that HAu is different from AuH - even though the order of elements in a summary formula is only customary and does not contain any chemical information; and that chloroauric acid HAuCl₄ can be directly reduced to gold hydride - also an impossibility.^[1]
• He says that gold is similar to alkali metals in that it has one electron on the s subshell of the outermost electron shell and because of this "wants to go to two electrons or it wants no electrons", and therefore regular metallic gold is "diatomic" with the formula Au₂, with an ionic bond between the atoms.^[1][5] This shows a complete lack of understanding of the nature of chemical bonding in metals. If his theory was true, gold would dissolve in water.
• He believes that aqueous solutions of salts of precious metals, such as rhodium(III) chloride RhCl₃, contain clusters of Rh₁₅Cl₄₅, Rh₁₃Cl₃₉ etc.^[5] Chemistry says those solutions contain chloride ions Cl^- and various complexes of rhodium ions, including RhCl₃(H₂O)₃, [RhCl₂(H₂O)₄]⁺ and [RhCl(H₂O)₅]²⁺. Additionally, he believes that dissolving gold in aqua regia^[wp] yields gold chloride in the form of clusters like Au₁₂Cl₃₆. Actual chemistry says that gold in the resulting solution exists in the form of tetrachloroaurate, AuCl₄^-, which does not form any clusters.
• Hudson's UK patent for his "discovery" presents IR spectra as evidence of "electron pairing within the atom".^[5] Aside from the concept being absurd, he uses the wrong spectra, as infrared wavelengths correspond to the energy of chemical bond vibrations (i.e., electron pairings between atoms). Electron shell changes would be visible in the UV or visible spectrum.
• He repeatedly says that "there is 10¹⁸ ergs in one gauss".^[1] Ergs and gausses are units of different quantities. Erg is a unit of energy equal to 100 nanojoules, while gauss is a unit of magnetic flux density equal to 100 microteslas. As such, the statement makes absolutely no sense. He also mentions that the Earth's magnetic field is "several gauss", whereas in fact it is less than 1 gauss.
• He apparently postulates the existence of materials with different inertial and gravitational masses, such as materials that fall to the Earth slowly, but are hard to push around. This is ruled out by Einstein's theory of general relativity.^[1]
• He claims that yttrium barium copper oxide^[wp] (YBCO), the first discovered high-temperature superconductor, is superconducting because copper contained in it "goes into a high spin state",^[1] a physical impossibility. Chemical bonds have energies of a few electron volts, while high spin nuclear states have energies of at least hundreds of kiloelectronvolts.
• He states that "superconductors are in your body now". This could certainly be detected by a SQUID^[wp] magnetometer, but it is not.
• He postulates that precious metals have important biological functions, and their loss from the body over time is the cause of aging. In reality, precious metals have no biological function.
• He even misspells a lot, in a comical way: cisplatin^[wp] becomes Sys-Platinum, carboplatin^[wp] becomes Carbono-Platinum, perovskite^[wp] becomes Percovite,^[1] and Büchner funnel^[wp] becomes Butiner funnel.^[2]

[edit]Back to reality

Hudson's patented procedures definitely do not work, because it would be at odds with the known chemical behavior of gold under those conditions. The result is a worthless salt that has none of the claimed properties. Since gold is expensive, the used chemicals are corrosive and the fumes released during repeated boiling toxic, attempting those procedures is a good way to waste money and/or injure yourself. The countless alternative procedures of obtaining ORMUS also do not work — a material with superconductive properties occurring abundantly in nature would be very easy to detect, yet no such kind of material is known to modern science.

The concept is highly exploitable by quacks, who sell a wide variety of ORMUS preparations under names such as Cleopatra's Milk, Liquid Chi, Prime Enzymes, Zenergy, Sola, Mountain Manna, C-Gro, etc. intended for human consumption as well as in agriculture. They definitely do not contain any gold or other precious metals, which is in fact a good thing, because water-soluble forms of precious metals are very toxic. Mountain Manna even combines ORMUS with homeopathy for double laughs.

ORMUS enthusiasts invented countless even more outrageous theories, linking ORMUS to everything: pyramids, dead people's souls,^[6] Bose-Einstein condensate, biblical manna — you name it.^[7] The variety of magical powers ascribed to ORMUS was also expanded. As a side note, the notably crazy David Icke thinks highly of the powers of monatomic gold.^[8]

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ORMUS - RationalWiki

[Jeffrey Stone]

Even if you don’t go blue, why would you want to indiscriminately want to just take a bunch of anti-biotic? Silver is going to kill all bacteria, good or bad, just as any broad-spectrum antibiotic would. Since I assume you don’t have a medical degree and aren’t sure what you are doing dosing-wise, or perhaps you are a chemist or pharmacist (no?), then why would you take this risk?

On Sunday, February 27, 2011 at 10:22:57 AM UTC-8, Karl wrote:

I've been taking colloidal silver for years and I'm not blue. When I was really ill, I even downed half a bottle of the stuff in one go. The whole Argyria thing is just scare tactics by big pharmaceuticals that are fearful that the herd/sheeple might find out that they don't need all those expensive, toxic and poisonous chemicals they call medication to live a healthy and disease free life.

The story of the man going blue is from ages ago when the technology was still rudimentary. The guy also drank litres of badly made colloidal silver everyday.

It's hilarious, you'll stay away from silver, yet, I bet you go and get injected with the third most toxic metal known to man (mercury) in the arm yearly (vaccinations).

When there's a H5N1 scare, I go for the Colloidal Silver every time; keep needles away from me.

On 27 February 2011 17:56, Gwern Branwen <gwe...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 6:34 AM, Pontus Granström <lepo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I saw in a video about "Annunaki" that eating white powder monatomic gold,
> due to it's superconductor ability would make us super humans. The reasoning
> goes that it improves the efficiency of the neutral pathways.
> I know there was someone here who recommended some "gold product" before, if
> you could please post it again I would be happy. I added the video as well,
> the gold business is in the first part of the movie.
>
> http://www.whitepowdergold.com/
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsTdsUG6ADc&feature=related
>

Leaving aside the incredibly dubious reasoning (there's a reason the
myelination isn't *everywhere*), I would stay the hell away from gold
for the same reasons I could silver:

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver#Adverse_health_effects
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria

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