Relational frame training and IQ increases
cev
Psionic
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freeurownmind-lookfornothingelse
Telodynamic
freeurownmind-lookfornothingelse
"Where internal evolution meets external revolution".
dumbothelephant
Brandon Woodson
This is a topic discussing a variant of image streaming (called thought streaming) which works under similar principles - where I explain why n-back won't have general transfer (it isn't intelligence), what intelligence is, and why that definition makes interventions based on relational frame theory likely to work from a purely rational standpoint. Also described is an exercise which includes a wider set of categories and a way to exercise one's mind in the attendant manner constantly, over a much greater scope of thought.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/brain-training/d-p0sjpe3FU%5B51-75-false%5D
I noticed your Hermetic references (i.e. microcosm/macrocosm) here and in other posts, so I want to confide that ancients seemed to know very much about what intelligence is.
It's thought by many - even putatively by scholars of ancient literature - that the four classical elements were literal rather than figurative substrata. However, Plato, who is alleged as an initiate of the Pythagorean school of thought, explains unequivocally in his Timaeus that the four elements don't relate to gross physicality but to _essence_.
Air was commonly held to be the essence behind intelligence because it fills the spaces between objects. In other words, it emphasizes the separation of objects, or differentiates. I don't want to further discuss what possible implications this could have or pin any literal meaning for the four elements - that much (if possible) can be personally explored in the aforementioned work or related works - only to convey that it has been long known what intelligence is, and that it should be separated from memory.
Even Lucifer as the "prince of the power of the air" is a reference to this, whose figurative meaning has been widely lost due to later thought disabusing all serious and contextualized consideration of the four elements. The entire Luciferian archetype is based on the concomitant attributes of the proud, intelligent, and fiercely independent "air"-dominated character profile. This was a basis for his metaphoric exile from Heaven.
--Brandon
I did the same. The training looks really simplistic. It would be astonishing if this can raise IQ in normal people. It looks really promising for helping kids with learning disabilities but as far as boosting the IQ for normal people is concerned I'm not holding my breath on this one. Anyways , lets see what happens.
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Apart from the fault attached as a picture, which occurs quite regularly for me and in different ways...
Even though its still an exercise for me, I'm largely so far extremely disappointed with the lack of complexity found at the upper levels (which can be tested out at --> https://raiseyouriq.com/training/remix ), including the lack of variation at lower levels, not to mention the (lack of) consistent use of at least 3 (besides the final question --> final = that which requires a "yes" or "no") or more different relational terms to promote greater disharmony with the perceptual interaction here. I would have thought that because there are 70 levels one, no matter how gifted, would eventually find a mental wife that they wouldn't be able to comfortably workout so easily, thus keeping their faculties entertained for the long haul.
I really don't understand why its so difficult to make things difficult. Above all, it really makes me question the great intellectual gains seen, not on the level of the underlying premise but on the actual implementation, which is a far cry from the creation of testing material that would be highly engaging for someone with an IQ of 140 (which I have scored close to and above before on same/similar tests - in saying that I know this score isn't symmetrical with the other domains of my abilities, as per example with the previous results mentioned), which is supposedly an increase that someone has seen (they were at least 10+ below 140).
... and I corrected that previous quote to: "where internal evolution meets external revolution".
- Brandon
I didn't realise I was making reference to hermetic principles, I will look into them nonetheless. To me, everything is a macro and a micro it just depends what perspective one is taking. The micro is the brain matter where the macro the behavioral output. The behavioral output is the micro where the macro is the collective interaction between people on Earth. The collective interaction between people on Earth is the micro where the macro is the collective interaction between planets in our solar system. As I'm sure you're aware, these can not only be switched and changed in order to adjoin with terms that are more appropriate for the level being explored but the perspective levels themselves can go on and on as well, no matter the direction, not that one can always have a good sense of direction when dealing with these intermingling frames of reference, on both a real and forceful manner..
And... Maybe I am embracing my Lucifer, I don't know yet. As for essence, I could be wrong but I like it to the extent that its a term that, inside one lens, lends itself to both the invisible and visible forces of one's experience and experience itself. A description of the essential intangible by matter of its recognition through direction of where one may look to search but not necessarily always find. We do not describe water, only its essence as it stands to the limit of someone's perception and their examination therein. To me, the invisible is always the direction of one's perceptual telescope and the visible the telescope itself. Overall though I concede that my knowledge of ancient traditions is very primitive on more than one micro and macro perspective, in saying that I still carry many chains on my awareness which I still need to slowly shed overtime so I can slither down clearer mental waters.
Hmm... Image streaming is actually quite interesting.
What ontological categories? Please give an example of the application/s to the exercise/s.
What does "TCGFC variant" stand for and what is a description of the variant? Please give an example of the application/s to the exercise/s.
I've often wondered what it would be like to create a language that communicated in 10 words per one word. It seems that the combining of perhaps some individual hand signals and or facial expressions to provide nuance to various combinations of meanings would seem like a necessary use. In the past and now too I certainly wouldn't be surprised if such a language was created, especially in the devotion of communication being at the service of thought rather than thought being at the service of communication, seeing that the latter is often much more time intensive whereas the former is how it should be, lightning fast. I've also thought it possible but not necessarily likely that the latter is something encouraged in order to rapidly slow down peoples thinking processes, similar to the mention, through inversion of the natural (natural = thought to communication not communication to thought).
How does proficiency in the Qabalah improve memory?
"The felt obligation also carries with it a need to prepare for the event that my tentative disbelief is misguided. As such is a real possibility, I believe that there is the chance that someone who encounters this thread might see vague elements of truth in any of the occult disciplines as a result of participating in this discourse, who might wish to explore more deeply and might risk serious personal injury. I can only attempt to dissuade any risky and impetuous experimentation, and won't be held accountable in any way, shape, or form for any mishaps incurred by anyone due to their own (known and/or unknown) ineptitude and/or recklessness. You have been warned!"
Have your underlying intuitions as it pertains to your individual impressions of the above possibilities altered at all, including your own potential future capabilities or even the capabilities that might be potentially discovered, like knowing numbers before one treads off towards their discovery of algebra?
"Throughout there should be an interplay between form and function, just as these words refer to semantically to something besides their form, so do the mental objects refer to something besides their forms, which should be purely abstract (non-concrete). The pre-verbal, or intuitive, properties of each thought is critical. It should be stressed over the concrete manifestations."
Could you elaborate on this paragraph as a whole, secondly, the following sentence contained within more specifically:
"The pre-verbal, or intuitive, properties of each thought is critical."
Please shed light on the different frames here.
Overall I shall likely give image streaming a go tonight and report back with more questions. Giving it a try in this moment however, although the images come to me pretty easily and spontaneously, I'm not really sure where it is to start with the description of the scenes. Whether they should be focused on the semantic or the senses (what I see, taste, smell, etc), as it pertains to enhancement in cognition (not to mention understanding the unique contribution of each of these two modes here as well as, the modes that exist within a mode, and, those within a mode, within a mode, of a mode, etc) and when choosing such a route the level of perspective upon which the description takes place, considering there are a myriad of places one can start with a simple object like that of a regular glass (if one is confronted with a complex image, especially as associations flow from that of a simple glass, my mind goes into chaos and I don't know where one thing starts or another begins).
Otherwise I'm sort of wondering that if the associative benefit of image streaming and above is already really easy for me perhaps I should be trying an activity that is more purposefully directed towards incorporating as many elements of relational reasoning to act as a greator stressor, followed by a strategic placement of my awareness on the different informational contents rather than in the spontaneous manner in which its suggested.
As an experienced person here, what do you think?
Thank you
Brandon Woodson
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/brain-training/d-p0sjpe3FU%5B126-150-false%5D
--Brandon
Apart from the fault attached as a picture, which occurs quite regularly for me and in different ways...
Even though its still an exercise for me, I'm largely so far extremely disappointed with the lack of complexity found at the upper levels (which can be tested out at --> https://raiseyouriq.com/training/remix ), including the lack of variation at lower levels, not to mention the (lack of) consistent use of at least 3 (besides the final question) or more different relational terms to promote greater disharmony with the perceptual interaction here. I would have thought that because there are 70 levels one, no matter how gifted, would eventually find a mental wife that they wouldn't be able to comfortably workout so easily, thus keeping their faculties entertained for the long haul.
I really don't understand why its so difficult to make things difficult. Above all, it really makes me question the great intellectual gains seen, not on the level of the underlying premise but on the actual implementation, which is a far cry from the creation of testing material that would be highly engaging for someone with an IQ of 140 (which I have scored close to and above before on same/similar tests - in saying that I know this score isn't symmetrical with the other domains of my abilities), which is supposedly an increase that someone has seen (they were at least 10+ below 140).
... and I corrected that previous quote to: "where internal evolution meets external revolution".
- Brandon
I didn't realise I was making reference to hermetic principles, I will look into them nonetheless. To me, everything is a macro and a micro it just depends what perspective one is taking. The micro is the brain matter where the macro the behavioral output. The behavioral output is the micro where the macro is the collective interaction between people on Earth. The collective interaction between people on Earth is the micro where the macro is the collective interaction between planets in our solar system. As I'm sure you're aware, these can not only be switched and changed in order to adjoin with terms that are more appropriate for the level being explored but the perspective levels themselves can go on and on as well, no matter the direction, not that one can always have a good sense of direction when dealing with these intermingling frames of reference, on both a real and forceful manner..
And... Maybe I am embracing my Lucifer, I don't know yet. As for essence, I could be wrong but I like it to the extent that its a term that, inside one lens, lends itself to both the invisible and visible forces of one's experience and experience itself. A description of the essential intangible by matter of its recognition through direction of where one may look to search but not necessarily always find. We do not describe water, only its essence as it stands to the limit of someone's perception and their examination therein. To me, the invisible is always the direction of one's perceptual telescope and the visible the telescope itself. Overall though I concede that my knowledge of ancient traditions is very primitive on more than one micro and macro perspective, in saying that I still carry many chains on my awareness which I still need to slowly shed overtime so I can slither down clearer mental waters.
Hmm... Image streaming is actually quite interesting.
What ontological categories? Please give an example of the application/s to the exercise/s.
What does "TCGFC variant" stand for and what is a description of the variant? Please give an example of the application/s to the exercise/s.
I've often wondered what it would be like to create a language that communicated in 10 words per one word. It seems that the combining of perhaps some individual hand signals and or facial expressions to provide nuance to various combinations of meanings would seem like a necessary use. In the past and now too I certainly wouldn't be surprised if such a language was created, especially in the devotion of communication being at the service of thought rather than thought being at the service of communication, seeing that the latter is often much more time intensive whereas the former is how it should be, lightning fast. I've also thought it possible but not necessarily likely that the former latter is something encouraged in order to rapidly slow down peoples thinking processes, similar to the mention, through inversion of the natural (natural = thought to communication not communication to thought).
How does proficiency in the Qabalah improve memory?
"The felt obligation also carries with it a need to prepare for the event that my tentative disbelief is misguided. As such is a real possibility, I believe that there is the chance that someone who encounters this thread might see vague elements of truth in any of the occult disciplines as a result of participating in this discourse, who might wish to explore more deeply and might risk serious personal injury. I can only attempt to dissuade any risky and impetuous experimentation, and won't be held accountable in any way, shape, or form for any mishaps incurred by anyone due to their own (known and/or unknown) ineptitude and/or recklessness. You have been warned!"
Have your underlying intuitions as it pertains to your individual impressions of the above possibilities altered at all, including your own potential future capabilities or even the capabilities that might be potentially discovered, like knowing numbers before one treads off towards their discovery of algebra?
"Throughout there should be an interplay between form and function, just as these words refer to semantically to something besides their form, so do the mental objects refer to something besides their forms, which should be purely abstract (non-concrete). The pre-verbal, or intuitive, properties of each thought is critical. It should be stressed over the concrete manifestations."
Could you elaborate on this paragraph as a whole, secondly, the following sentence contained within more specifically:
"The pre-verbal, or intuitive, properties of each thought is critical."Please shed light on the different frames here.
Overall I shall likely give image streaming a go tonight and report back with more questions. Giving it a try in this moment however, although the images come to me pretty easily and spontaneously, I'm not really sure where it is to start with the description of the scenes. Whether they should be focused on the semantic or the senses (what I see, taste, smell, etc) and when choosing such a route the level of perspective upon which the description takes place, considering there are a myriad of places one can start with a simple object like that of a regular glass (if one is confronted with a complex image, especially as associations flow from that of a simple glass, my mind goes into chaos and I don't know where one thing starts or another begins).
Otherwise I'm sort of wondering that if the associative benefit of image streaming and above is already really easy for me perhaps I should be trying an activity that is more directed towards incorporating as many elements of relational reasoning.
Thank you
On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 4:44:51 AM UTC+11, Brandon Woodson wrote:
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