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Herb
Dec 28, 2010, 10:34:57 AM12/28/10
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Iris. I have soem time on my hands as I am on Christmas break
I have been reading with great interest the posts on De Melo family
from Nordeste. I was born in Nordeste in 1958 and lived there there
until age 9. My teacher ( we only had one) was a Melo. I am not sure
of her first name, it may be Conceicao Alexandre Melo. She still
lives in Nordeste, I saw her in 1995 when I last visited Fazenda. I
am a descendant of Antonio Cabral de Mello and Barbara Correia. Their
grandson Jose Cabral de Melo married Dona Vitoria de Mendonca of
Fazenda Nordeste. Cheri Melo and Denise D'Antona and I are cousins
and we have exchanged posts about this several times over the years.
The Melos are a well known and prominent family in Nordeste. The man
who owned the local grocery store or "loje" in the town of Fazenda was
named Melo. I stopped at his store with my father when we visited
Fazenda in 1995. He remebered me. If I am not mistaken his name is
Aldino or Evelino de Melo, perhaps related to Aldino de Melo of this
group. It is difficult to break down the various Melos, Brandaos,
Arrudas and Cabrals of Nordeste. It was not uncommon in Sao Miguel
in those days to have 2nd and 3rd cousins marry each other, and on
occasion even 1st cousins. In fact this practice was encouraged
throughout Europe as late as the late 19th century, as this was seen
as a way to preserve family ties and land possesions, continuation of
family names etc. Approximately 40% of marriages throughout Europe
in the 18th and 19th centuries were between cousins. So you see, it
becomes very challenging to sort of break down and analyse these many
family ties. I will have to ask my mother what else she can tell me
about these families. I also have 2 cousins living in Fazenda and one
in Ribeira Grande ( she used to live in Achada) and they may have some
helpful information as well.
Herb
I have been reading with great interest the posts on De Melo family
from Nordeste. I was born in Nordeste in 1958 and lived there there
until age 9. My teacher ( we only had one) was a Melo. I am not sure
of her first name, it may be Conceicao Alexandre Melo. She still
lives in Nordeste, I saw her in 1995 when I last visited Fazenda. I
am a descendant of Antonio Cabral de Mello and Barbara Correia. Their
grandson Jose Cabral de Melo married Dona Vitoria de Mendonca of
Fazenda Nordeste. Cheri Melo and Denise D'Antona and I are cousins
and we have exchanged posts about this several times over the years.
The Melos are a well known and prominent family in Nordeste. The man
who owned the local grocery store or "loje" in the town of Fazenda was
named Melo. I stopped at his store with my father when we visited
Fazenda in 1995. He remebered me. If I am not mistaken his name is
Aldino or Evelino de Melo, perhaps related to Aldino de Melo of this
group. It is difficult to break down the various Melos, Brandaos,
Arrudas and Cabrals of Nordeste. It was not uncommon in Sao Miguel
in those days to have 2nd and 3rd cousins marry each other, and on
occasion even 1st cousins. In fact this practice was encouraged
throughout Europe as late as the late 19th century, as this was seen
as a way to preserve family ties and land possesions, continuation of
family names etc. Approximately 40% of marriages throughout Europe
in the 18th and 19th centuries were between cousins. So you see, it
becomes very challenging to sort of break down and analyse these many
family ties. I will have to ask my mother what else she can tell me
about these families. I also have 2 cousins living in Fazenda and one
in Ribeira Grande ( she used to live in Achada) and they may have some
helpful information as well.
Herb
Cheri Mello
Dec 28, 2010, 2:24:45 PM12/28/10
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Well, Herb, I'm going to have to let Altino answer this one, as I don't yet have all the details of when the various descendants of Antonio de Melo & Senhorinha Raposo de Medeiros emigrated out of Nordeste. Some stayed, some went to Canada, and some went to Brazil.
But you probably went to school with some of Altino's cousins who stayed in Nordeste. He knows who's there and who's not. And there's a story about a big, 2 story house in Nordeste. Do you know that house?
This is going to be interesting!
Cheri
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But you probably went to school with some of Altino's cousins who stayed in Nordeste. He knows who's there and who's not. And there's a story about a big, 2 story house in Nordeste. Do you know that house?
This is going to be interesting!
Cheri
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JR
Dec 28, 2010, 5:53:24 PM12/28/10
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Actually Herb, these names are well documented, particulary in
Nordeste. It is a bit of work to find out which line is actually
yours, but nevertheless, much of it is already documented. I would say
the hardest period is between 1720 and 1700, because some families
appear to have gone missing, particularly if they lived in
Nordestinho, Algarvia, Achada Feteira, around the 1750-1700 period.
Then things can be very difficult. Or their names have been altered to
the point where it is very difficult to determine which family line is
really yours. Then you have to slog through the baptisms and sometimes
piece together whole families.
But it is a journey worth taking.
John Roias
Nordeste. It is a bit of work to find out which line is actually
yours, but nevertheless, much of it is already documented. I would say
the hardest period is between 1720 and 1700, because some families
appear to have gone missing, particularly if they lived in
Nordestinho, Algarvia, Achada Feteira, around the 1750-1700 period.
Then things can be very difficult. Or their names have been altered to
the point where it is very difficult to determine which family line is
really yours. Then you have to slog through the baptisms and sometimes
piece together whole families.
But it is a journey worth taking.
John Roias
Iris Bilodeau
Dec 28, 2010, 6:04:55 PM12/28/10
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Thank you for taking time to post what you did. In 1996 I went to Sao Miguel and met a Jose Almeida Melo. I plan to return to Sao Miguel in June 2011. I hope to contact Jose and hope he can tell me more and pass it on. His family is from Nordeste. In 1996 I didn't realize I had ancestors from Nordeste.
Iris Cabral Bilodeau
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Cheri Mello
Dec 28, 2010, 8:28:10 PM12/28/10
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I think Jose Almeida de Melo is or was one of the people that was on a genealogy committee that would meet on the island of Graciosa. I think I may have written him a letter years ago, but there was no connection (at that time).
Iris Bilodeau
Dec 28, 2010, 8:32:20 PM12/28/10
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Yes, that would be the same Jose Amrida de Melo. I hope he speaks better English than he did in 1996.
Obrigada,
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Duane De Mello
Dec 29, 2010, 10:37:45 AM12/29/10
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Cheri et al: You and I have been out of touch for several years now, but I thought I would chime in here with my De Mello's in Nordeste since I at still unable to go any further back than my great great grandparents there.
Manuel de Mello, N.S. Anuncicao, Achadinha, Sao Migeul, married to Maria da Estrella, of N.S. Conceicao, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel.
I have no dates at all for them, however, one of their sons (my great grandfather) was Joao de Mello Faulha (or Fautho?), born/baptized May 1841, N.S. Conceicao, Ribeira Grande.
I would certainly be grateful for any assistance in identifying them or others in the family that goes back further in the line.
Cheers and best wishes for the new year to all, Duane De Mello
Altino DeMelo
Dec 30, 2010, 12:00:04 AM12/30/10
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Hi Herb,
It's possible that you may be related in some sense to my Melo's. My
Melo's in Nordeste came from the Melo's in Ribeira Grande and Ribeira
das Tainhas, Ponta Garca.
You may have grown up in Nordeste and your family may have known mine.
In fact, i wouldn't be surprised at all if our relatives were in each
others photos (matanca's, festas etc). My paternal Grandmother
(Senhorinha Raposo de Medeiros) was invited after she married Antonio
de Melo Correia to live in Nordeste by her parents (José Raposo de
Medeiros and Rosa Amália de Jesus).
Senhorinha's family (Grandparents, cousins etc) were from the area
Fazenda. (right beside Nordeste). Senhorinha had numerous siblings
(Ernesto, José, Manuel, Serafim, Jacinto and Maria da Luz [all
Raposo]).
My Grandfather's house was right across from the Casa da Trabalho. He
had 6 children:
José Rapose de Melo, Urbano Raposo de Melo, Maria Alda Raposo de Melo,
Maria de Conceição de Melo, Altino Raposo de Melo and Eduardo Raposo
de Melo.
Altino
It's possible that you may be related in some sense to my Melo's. My
Melo's in Nordeste came from the Melo's in Ribeira Grande and Ribeira
das Tainhas, Ponta Garca.
You may have grown up in Nordeste and your family may have known mine.
In fact, i wouldn't be surprised at all if our relatives were in each
others photos (matanca's, festas etc). My paternal Grandmother
(Senhorinha Raposo de Medeiros) was invited after she married Antonio
de Melo Correia to live in Nordeste by her parents (José Raposo de
Medeiros and Rosa Amália de Jesus).
Senhorinha's family (Grandparents, cousins etc) were from the area
Fazenda. (right beside Nordeste). Senhorinha had numerous siblings
(Ernesto, José, Manuel, Serafim, Jacinto and Maria da Luz [all
Raposo]).
My Grandfather's house was right across from the Casa da Trabalho. He
had 6 children:
José Rapose de Melo, Urbano Raposo de Melo, Maria Alda Raposo de Melo,
Maria de Conceição de Melo, Altino Raposo de Melo and Eduardo Raposo
de Melo.
Altino
Cheri Mello
Dec 30, 2010, 12:11:21 AM12/30/10
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Altino,
So Herb has a time period, those 6 kids you mentioned at the end of your post were born in the 1920s and 1930s all in Nordeste or Fazenda, right?
So Herb has a time period, those 6 kids you mentioned at the end of your post were born in the 1920s and 1930s all in Nordeste or Fazenda, right?
Altino DeMelo
Dec 30, 2010, 12:28:31 AM12/30/10
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All of them were born in Ribeira das Tainhas except Eduardo who was
born in Nordeste in 1933. Senhorinha's parents and descendants were
from Fazenda though.
José b. 1921 > had two children in Nordeste, José Antonio and Maria de
Céu b. 1952
Maria de Conceição b. 1922 > 3 Children in Nordese dates of birth
unknown > José Eduardo, Carlos and Antonio Ramiro
Altino b. 1924
Urbano b. 1926
Maria Alda b. 1930
Eduardo b. 1933
Altino
born in Nordeste in 1933. Senhorinha's parents and descendants were
from Fazenda though.
José b. 1921 > had two children in Nordeste, José Antonio and Maria de
Céu b. 1952
Maria de Conceição b. 1922 > 3 Children in Nordese dates of birth
unknown > José Eduardo, Carlos and Antonio Ramiro
Altino b. 1924
Urbano b. 1926
Maria Alda b. 1930
Eduardo b. 1933
Altino
Herb
Dec 30, 2010, 12:06:33 PM12/30/10
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Hello Altino
Like I said I left Fazenda do Nordeste when I was 9. The house you
are reffering to is probbaly what we used to call the casa do trabalho
or the casa da liga. I think this is the one Cheri asked about. It
was located as you entered Vila do Nordeste, that area as you entered
the vila was called "Erva do Mau" I believe. My mom who is 82 and
lives in Fall River, said that house was where the women would learn
to work on tapestry. sewing, needlework etc. The lady who ran that
house was Dona Maria do Carmo. Is this the house you are refering
to? As a kid I only went to Vila do Nordeste on occasion such as a
feast or to see a doctor so my recolection is sketchy.
All of my brothers were born at home in Fazenda, except for my sister
who was born in the hospital at Vila do Nordeste. I remember going to
the Vila for some vaccinations and also once to see a movie at the
theatre on Pele the soccer player. My father is from Ponta Delgada
but moved to Fazenda with my mom after they married. He played for
Micalense in Ponta Delgada and later on played for Fazenda and they
would go to Vila to play the team there. My mom said that like so
many families there, the Melos were not always known as Melo, because
of the various "apelidos" used.
My mom is Maria da Conceicao Arruda and my father is Nicolau Ventura
Sousa Silva. A lot of people from that era know my father because of
his great reputation as a soccer player. Everyody knew him and he is
still regarded by many in the Azores as one of the greatest if not the
greatest soccer player from the Azores Islands. He played for the pro
team Belenenses in Lisbon when he was in the Portuguse Navy in the
early 1950's. My aunt is 86 and she may have some recollection of the
Melos from Vila and I will pass along any information she may have.
Herb
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Like I said I left Fazenda do Nordeste when I was 9. The house you
are reffering to is probbaly what we used to call the casa do trabalho
or the casa da liga. I think this is the one Cheri asked about. It
was located as you entered Vila do Nordeste, that area as you entered
the vila was called "Erva do Mau" I believe. My mom who is 82 and
lives in Fall River, said that house was where the women would learn
to work on tapestry. sewing, needlework etc. The lady who ran that
house was Dona Maria do Carmo. Is this the house you are refering
to? As a kid I only went to Vila do Nordeste on occasion such as a
feast or to see a doctor so my recolection is sketchy.
All of my brothers were born at home in Fazenda, except for my sister
who was born in the hospital at Vila do Nordeste. I remember going to
the Vila for some vaccinations and also once to see a movie at the
theatre on Pele the soccer player. My father is from Ponta Delgada
but moved to Fazenda with my mom after they married. He played for
Micalense in Ponta Delgada and later on played for Fazenda and they
would go to Vila to play the team there. My mom said that like so
many families there, the Melos were not always known as Melo, because
of the various "apelidos" used.
My mom is Maria da Conceicao Arruda and my father is Nicolau Ventura
Sousa Silva. A lot of people from that era know my father because of
his great reputation as a soccer player. Everyody knew him and he is
still regarded by many in the Azores as one of the greatest if not the
greatest soccer player from the Azores Islands. He played for the pro
team Belenenses in Lisbon when he was in the Portuguse Navy in the
early 1950's. My aunt is 86 and she may have some recollection of the
Melos from Vila and I will pass along any information she may have.
Herb
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Linda Norton
Dec 30, 2010, 11:10:32 PM12/30/10
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I wish I could ask my father when he was alive, he would be 86 now, but he
played soccer as well in Sao Miguel as his youngest brother who is now 78.
My uncle did soccer scouting for years in Cambridge. He left Ribeira Grande
when he was 21 or 22 where my father left when he was 26. I think I have a
picture of my father's team, I'll have to dig it out and send it over. Maybe
he played against those teams as well. I don't remember the name of the
team. I will ask my uncle.
played soccer as well in Sao Miguel as his youngest brother who is now 78.
My uncle did soccer scouting for years in Cambridge. He left Ribeira Grande
when he was 21 or 22 where my father left when he was 26. I think I have a
picture of my father's team, I'll have to dig it out and send it over. Maybe
he played against those teams as well. I don't remember the name of the
team. I will ask my uncle.
He loved soccer, he would go to my sons games all the time when they were in
school. He would watch all the European soccer games on TV.
Linda Borges Furtado Norton
Hello Altino
Herb
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Altino DeMelo
Jan 1, 2011, 11:00:17 PM1/1/11
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Hi Herb,
Your correct, the building was indeed called the casa do trabalho. It
was located in Erva Má. It was exactly what you mentioned; a trade
environment to teach young women to sew, needlework, crochet etc. My
Grandparents' house was directly across from that building.
Herb, ask your relations if they knew of the Medeiros' from Fazenda.
In particuar, did they know of the couple José Raposo de Medeiros and
Rosa Amália de Jesus who were originally from Fazenda but later moved
to Nordeste. I think this couple may have had ancestors and cousins
from Fazenda.
Altino
Your correct, the building was indeed called the casa do trabalho. It
was located in Erva Má. It was exactly what you mentioned; a trade
environment to teach young women to sew, needlework, crochet etc. My
Grandparents' house was directly across from that building.
Herb, ask your relations if they knew of the Medeiros' from Fazenda.
In particuar, did they know of the couple José Raposo de Medeiros and
Rosa Amália de Jesus who were originally from Fazenda but later moved
to Nordeste. I think this couple may have had ancestors and cousins
from Fazenda.
Altino
Shirley Allegre
Jan 4, 2011, 4:08:42 PM1/4/11
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Hi All: I believe that NT260 Antonio Cabral X NT261
Barbara Correia are also in the ancestory of Norman TEVIS. He is the spouse
of Roberta GEORGE Tevis.
Barbara Correia are also in the ancestory of Norman TEVIS. He is the spouse
of Roberta GEORGE Tevis.
Shirley
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From: "Herb" <herba...@verizon.net>
To: "Azores Genealogy" <azo...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 7:34 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] De Melo
Iris. I have soem time on my hands as I am on Christmas break
I have been reading with great interest the posts on De Melo family
from Nordeste. I was born in Nordeste in 1958 and lived there there
until age 9. My teacher ( we only had one) was a Melo. I am not sure
of her first name, it may be Conceicao Alexandre Melo. She still
lives in Nordeste, I saw her in 1995 when I last visited Fazenda. I
am a descendant of Antonio Cabral de Mello and Barbara Correia.
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Their grandson Jose Cabral de Melo married Dona Vitoria de Mendonca of
Fazenda Nordeste. Cheri Melo and Denise D'Antona and I are cousins
and we have exchanged posts about this several times over the years.
The Melos are a well known and prominent family in Nordeste. The man
who owned the local grocery store or "loje" in the town of Fazenda was
named Melo. I stopped at his store with my father when we visited
Fazenda in 1995. He remebered me. If I am not mistaken his name is
Aldino or Evelino de Melo, perhaps related to Aldino de Melo of this
group. It is difficult to break down the various Melos, Brandaos,
Arrudas and Cabrals of Nordeste. It was not uncommon in Sao Miguel
in those days to have 2nd and 3rd cousins marry each other, and on
occasion even 1st cousins. In fact this practice was encouraged
throughout Europe as late as the late 19th century, as this was seen
as a way to preserve family ties and land possesions, continuation of
family names etc. Approximately 40% of marriages throughout Europe
in the 18th and 19th centuries were between cousins. So you see, it
becomes very challenging to sort of break down and analyse these many
family ties. I will have to ask my mother what else she can tell me
about these families. I also have 2 cousins living in Fazenda and one
in Ribeira Grande ( she used to live in Achada) and they may have some
helpful information as well.
Herb
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John M Athayde
Jul 25, 2011, 3:32:25 PM7/25/11
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Cleaning out old email, I found this. I've got one "de Melo" as my great great grandfather. José Correia de Melo. His parents, however are a João José Correia and Rosa Joaquina (perhaps her middle, not last name?). Regardless, his son, Manoel Correia took his mother's surname (Adelaide Isabel de Athayde do Conde), and we all ended up Athaydes.
Not sure where the de Melo came from or was left out. Still doing research in that area. They were in Graciosca and Manoel was born in 1893 in Guadalupe
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Duane De Mello
Jul 25, 2011, 5:02:18 PM7/25/11
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I would be interested in your de Melo cousins from Ribeira Grande and Achada. Mine come from those neck of the woods.
Cheers, Duane De Mello
John Vasconcelos
Jul 25, 2011, 7:58:18 PM7/25/11
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John,
There are several reasons why sons sometimes take their mother's surname in Portugal. If the mother's family had all the wealth, under some conditions the son must take the mother's surname to receive the inheritance.. Sometimes (but not always) the son may have taken the mother's surname if her family was more pretigious (usually related to wealth). If the mother had no male siblings, the son sometimes took the mother's surname to continue the line. In my family tree, there are several cases where a son took his mother's surname.
John Vasconcelos
There are several reasons why sons sometimes take their mother's surname in Portugal. If the mother's family had all the wealth, under some conditions the son must take the mother's surname to receive the inheritance.. Sometimes (but not always) the son may have taken the mother's surname if her family was more pretigious (usually related to wealth). If the mother had no male siblings, the son sometimes took the mother's surname to continue the line. In my family tree, there are several cases where a son took his mother's surname.
John Vasconcelos
Iris Bilodeau
Jul 25, 2011, 9:24:42 PM7/25/11
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Herb -
Did I answer your post back in December. I can't remember.
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George Demelo
Mar 28, 2018, 12:37:10 AM3/28/18
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My name is George DeMelo. My family was from Água de Pau Sao Meguel Azores . I have found records going back to 1716.
Marie Shantz
Mar 28, 2018, 12:09:48 PM3/28/18
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George Demello I am from the de Mello line from Vila Franca do Compo. The next village over. Francisco de Mello and Tereza de Jesus. In 1883 they with their children left on the Bell Tick for Hawaii. I have past your village on my way to Vila Franca on my numerous visits to the island. Still trying to match up with related family
Cheri Mello
Mar 28, 2018, 12:23:16 PM3/28/18
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This thread is about the Melo family from the Nordeste area (and its freguesias). Agua de Pau and Vila Franca are on the other side of the island. If you have a question, please start this thread over. It came through as spam, I was tired and approved it accidentally. It's a closed thread/post (over 30 days old --- more like 7 years old). Thank you, Cheri Mello
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