Violante Velho Cabral=Diogo Gonçalves de Travassos

[mances]

I also descend from D. Violante Velho Cabral through my 11th grandmother Maria Travassos married to João Rebelo from Ribeirinha, São Miguel, parents of Ana Cabral married to Baltazar Manuel on 1 June 1629 in Ribeira Grande, Estrela, São Miguel.

 

Linhagem medieval dos Velhos

 

De Nuno Soares Velho II (século XII) a Maria Travassos (século XVII) 11ª avó de Manoel César Furtado.

 

Os Velhos: ramo colateral dos Baiões, descendentes dos condes repovoadores do baixo Lima, Portugal. Patronos do Mosteiro de Santo Antonino de Barbudo, conselho de Vila Verde, ligados ao Mosteiro beneditino do Carvoeiro.

Nuno Soares Velho II acompanhou a corte Afonsina entre 1117 e 1162, ocupou o cargo de alferes e o governo do território de Neiva entre 1127 e 1145 (J. Mattoso: Identificação de um País – vol. 1, p. 140), e teve:

 

1. Sueiro Nunes Velho II =  (1) Teresa Anes de Penela
2. Pero Soares [Velho], Escaldado = Maria Vasques [Carpinteiro] de Coimbra

      Escaldado, porque tinha poucas barbas – Livro de Linhagem, LL 42E6, e com

      essa  alcunha é diversas vezes referido nas Inquirições de 1258. Falecido anos

      antes, aquela fonte aponta-lhe bens nos julgados de Neiva, de Ponte de Lima e

      de Caminha. As Inquirições de 1288 acrescentam-lhe, ainda, outros bens nos

      julgados da Vinha e de Penafiel de Bastuço.

3. Pero Pires Velho = Sancha Pais de Santa Logriça ( filha de dom Paio Pequeno, abade de Santa Logriça [de Aguiar] – LL42F8 )

      Pero Pires Velho esteve, como seus irmãos, na conquista de Sevilha de 1248. É

      várias vezes referido pelas Inquirições de 1258 nos julgados de Caminha, de

      Cerveira,  de Ponte de Lima, de Penela, de Neiva e de Aguiar de Neiva.

       Faleceu antes de 1280.

4. João Pires Velho = ?

      Filho ilegítimo tido em Sancha Pais de Santa Logriça, e contrariando um destino 

      que lhe seria desfavorável, acabou por se tornar a figura mais relevante e 

      documentada da linhagem dos Velhos, durante o período dionisino.

5. Gonçalo Anes Velho = Margarida Anes de Urrô

      Legitimado em 1299. Vassalo de D. Dinis, depositário da confiança do monarca,

      foi incumbido de averiguar as Inquirições de 1312, e o exercício destas funções

      vem explicar porque é referido como  o Contador em LL 42O10. Faleceu pouco

      antes das Inquirições de 1343, última fonte que o refere.

6. Fernão Gonçalves Velho = Maria Álvares Cabral

      Foi criado na freguesia de Santa Maria de Quintães, no julgado de Aguiar de

      Neiva. Alcaide do Castelo de Veleda em 1370.

      Sua esposa Maria Álvares Cabral era irmã de Fernando Álvares Cabral avô de 

      Pedro Álvares  Cabral, descobridor do Brasil.

      (Fonte: Linhagens Medievais Portuguesas, 2 volumes – J. Pizarro)

 

7. Violante Velho Cabral = Diogo Gonçalves de Travassos

      D. Violante era irmã do Frei Gonçalo Velho Cabral, comendador da Ordem de  

      Cristo e “descobridor” das ilhas dos Açores.

8. Pedro Velho de Travassos = ?
9. Gonçalo Velho Cabral = Catarina Álvares de Benevides
10. Beatriz Velho = Afonso Anes da Costa Cogumbreiro (o Mouro Velho)
11. Beatriz Velho = Fernão Pires do Quental
12. Bárbara Travassos = ?
13. Maria Travassos = João Rebelo

   Num maço de habilitações aos dotes da instituição do Padre João Soares da Costa, na  

               Misericórdia de Ponta Delgada está a habilitação e justificação (1614) de Maria Travassos,

    mulher de João Rebelo, lavrador, morador na Ribeirinha, justificando ser neta de Beatriz

               Velha (filha esta de Afonso Anes da Costa Cogumbreiro e irmã do Padre João Soares) dizendo

   ser ela justificante filha de Bárbara Travassos.  (Rodrigo Rodrigues - Cap.º 78.º § 1.º N.º 5).

 

(Fontes: Saudades da Terra – Frei Gaspar Frutuoso e Genealogias de São Miguel e Santa Maria, 6 vol. -  Rodrigo Rodrigues)

 

 

Manoel Cesar Furtado.

(Junho de 2010)

 

[mances]

Just a correction to my text below:

 

“conselho de Vila Verde”, the correct spelling is “concelho de Vila Verde”.

 

Manoel

 

 

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[Marr...@cs.com]

Dear friends and fellow genealogists:

Please do not shoot the messenger! I too am a descendant of Velho Cabral's sister Violante and his brother Álvaro. For many years I included Afonso III and Madragana among their ancestors. But more recent research has shed new light on their lineage and, alas, I have had to correct some very long standing, but eroneous, lines. I include the fruit of my research in an attachment. The best contemporary research on the lineage of the Cabrals is "Subsídios para Uma Biografia de Pedro Álvares Cabral" by , Luís de Melo Vaz de Sampaio, Universidade de Coimbra: 1971.

I offer this research in good faith and to prevent others from chasing after false genealogies.

Best regards,

John Miranda Raposo

[Iris Bilodeau]

Thanks a bunch for the info John. Iris --- On Sat, 6/5/10, Marr...@cs.com <Marr...@cs.com> wrote:

[Semperfimama]

Thank you, John. That's very kind of you to provide the corrections
for us.

Kind regards,
Beth Barcellos Bell.....one of your distant primas ;-)

[mances]

John,

 

Thank you for sharing your informations.

 

I am including now an attached file with a yet partial ancestry of our Pedro Velho de Travassos, a precious gateway to iberian medieval times.

Among the main sources I used are the ancient “Lineages’ Book” from c. 1340 (Livro de Linhagens do Deão e Livro de Linhagens do conde D. Pedro) and the book “Linhagens Medievais Portuguesas – Genealogia e Estratégias (1279-1325)” by José A. de Sotto Mayor Pizarro.

 

Manoel Cesar Furtado

 

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[Marr...@cs.com]

In a message dated 6/7/2010 7:59:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, man...@netsite.com.br writes:

John,

 

Thank you for sharing your informations.

 

I am including now an attached file with a yet partial ancestry of our Pedro Velho de Travassos, a precious gateway to iberian medieval times.

Among the main sources I used are the ancient “Lineages’ Book” from c. 1340 (Livro de Linhagens do Deão e Livro de Linhagens do conde D. Pedro) and the book “Linhagens Medievais Portuguesas – Genealogia e Estratégias (1279-1325)” by José A. de Sotto Mayor Pizarro.

 

Manoel Cesar Furtado

Dear Manuel:

Thank you so much. The notes are priceless!

John

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Manoel,
 
    Thank you for sending this. Since I descend from Pedro's brother, Nuno, I assume it is the same ancestry for him. I have read and reread your attachment with my limited Portuguese....filling in words with my dictionary as needed. However, that has it's drawbacks. I'm wondering if there is a translation available for this document or if anyone could tell me how to translate it on line....or best yet, if one of our native speakers could translate it for us?
 
    I was disappointed when I saw John's correction to Dona Violante's ancestry because I am very intrigued with being related to Madragana and her history......but alas, not through this line......perhaps my " da Sousa Pereira" line. Regardless, now that I see what is a possible connection to Urraca...Queen of Leon and Castilla, by her father, Afonso Vl, I'm hoping the connection to her is valid. Earlier this year I read a biography of her......she was quite a woman and added territory to the lands she inherited from her father. Her life was very interesting and she had not only great determination and stamina but was also great passion!
I like that and hope I'm reading this document correctly.
 
Best regards and thanks for sharing knowledge!
 
Nancy Jean Baptista
 

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[mances]

Hi Nancy,

 

Thank you for your kind words.

 

Unfortunately I don´t feel myself sufficiently capable and qualified to work through the english translation of the texts in portuguese especially the excerpt I took from the book by José Pizarro related to the royal origin of the Bragançãos. Sorry!

 

As to Urraca and Alfonso VI, you can find on line at this link two very interesting books about their lives:

 

http://libro.uca.edu/title.htm

 

The Kingdom of León-Castilla Under King Alfonso VI, 1065-1109  by Bernard F. Reilly (Print edition: Princeton University Press, 1988)

The Kingdom of León-Castilla Under Queen Urraca, 1109-1126  by Bernard F. Reilly (Print edition: Princeton University Press, 1982)

 

 

 

Best regards,

 

Manoel César Furtado

 

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[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Manoel,
 
   Thank you for the links and especially to the online library source. I'm looking forward to learning more!
 
   I understand about translating the document.....it's quite challenging! But I'm glad to have the information even with my limited understanding of what it actually says!
 
Kind regards,
Nancy

 

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[Karlushko]

I looking through old emais, I noticed you have Pedro Travassos.

I am related to him and I am sending some records I have perhaps you

need it.

I cant guarantee about the source, because it wasnt researched by me

 

Regards

 

Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil - New York/USA
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John,

 

Thank you for sharing your informations.

 

I am including now an attached file with a yet partial ancestry of our Pedro Velho de Travassos, a precious gateway to iberian medieval times.

Among the main sources I used are the ancient “Lineages’ Book” from c. 1340 (Livro de Linhagens do Deão e Livro de Linhagens do conde D. Pedro) and the book “Linhagens Medievais Portuguesas – Genealogia e Estratégias (1279-1325)” by José A. de Sotto Mayor Pizarro.

 

Manoel Cesar Furtado

 

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Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Violante Velho Cabral=Diogo Gonçalves de Travassos

 

Dear friends and fellow genealogists:

Please do not shoot the messenger! I too am a descendant of Velho Cabral's sister Violante and his brother Álvaro. For many years I included Afonso III and Madragana among their ancestors. But more recent research has shed new light on their lineage and, alas, I have had to correct some very long standing, but eroneous, lines. I include the fruit of my research in an attachment. The best contemporary research on the lineage of the Cabrals is "Subsídios para Uma Biografia de Pedro Álvares Cabral" by , Luís de Melo Vaz de Sampaio, Universidade de Coimbra: 1971.

I offer this research in good faith and to prevent others from chasing after false genealogies.

Best regards,

John Miranda Raposo

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[Manoel Cesar]

Thank you so much.

In "Subsídios para uma Biografia de Pedro Álvares Cabral", Luis de
Mello Vaz de Sampayo raises doubt about the marriage of Alvaro Gil
Cabral, D. Violante’s grandfather.
According to Sampayo, Alvaro Gil Cabral married Catarina Anes de
Loureiro instead of the daughter of Constança Rodrigues Pereira whose
ancestry goes far back to king Afonso III.
I really don´t know yet all the documentary evidence but I use to keep
in my chart the amendments made by Sampayo until I have a more exact
knowledge about them.

In my point of view the soundest path in this line towards medieval
times still is the Velho’s lineage.

Best regards,

Manoel Cesar Furtado

[owl...@gmail.com]

Aloha,   One of my family line is Sampaio, Jose da Silva born 1817, 26 Sept 1817 in Rabo de  Peixe, Sao Miguel.  I do need help as his mother is only listed as a Maria de Jesus, her father (his grandparents) is Manoel Furtado, mother Maria da Estrella.  From my paperwork, this family is from Santo Antonio.  I'm assuming because this is child was born incognito, they moved to Rabo de Peixe to have this child.   Can anyone help point me to where I can find out more information about this Maria de Jesus?    Also, doing this time...how badly were woman treated for having a child out of wedlock?  And did they normally keep the child?    Always with aloha,   Frannie Pueo        -------Original Message-------

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