Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

["E" Sharp]

OK.  A start.  Here they are in the 1910 census

Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA

 

Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children born 2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer

wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA

ch:  Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA

      Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA

      

 

I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road, Washington Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA:

Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909

wife:  Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores

ch:  Helen 14 b. CA

 

Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census.  Should be able to find her birth record somewhere.

 

Elaine

 

 

["E" Sharp]

I believe this is Filomena's birth record:

 

No first name given  Caton female b. 2/20/1890 Provincetown MA

father:  Manuel Caton fisherman b. Pico Azores

mother:  Philomena (nee Constance) b. Faial, Azores

What do you think?

 

These parents also had these children:

 

Unnamed Female Caton b. 12/25/1872 Provincetown, MA

father Manuel Caton born Peak???(that is how Pico is pronounced) Pico, mariner

mother Philomena Caton b. Faial, Azores

 

This might one of theirs but mother's name is given as Mary

John Francis Caton b. Nov 30, 1873 Provincetown parents Manuel and Mary?? Caton both b. Western Islands. Father is mariner. (I think mother's name is incorrect on record)

 

Jennie Caton b. Feb. 13, 1881, Provincetown, MA parents Manuel and Philomena Caton.  He born Pico, she born Faial.

 

Carrie Caton b. Mar. 18, 1885, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and Fermana?? Caton.  He born Pico, she b. Faial (I think mother's name is incorrect on record).

 

Oren Lewis Caton b. April 24,1887, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and Philomena Caton.  He born Pico, she born Faial

 

I will do more checking for other children but I need to know if these are the right parents as their are other Caton parents in Provincetown.

 

"E"

 

 

 

 

 

[Shirley Allegre]

Food for thought.  I was born and raised in Washington TOWNSHIP.  There are several towns in Washington Township.  I believe they were:  Decoto, Alvarado, Niles, Centerville (the center of Washington Township), Mission San Jose, Irvington, Newark, AND I think Milpitas. 

 

Sam:  Was Milpitas in Washington Township?

 

Shirley in CA

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["E" Sharp]

You can see a lot more here including marriages. 

 

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Acaton~%20%2Brecord_country%3A%22United%20States%22%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22provincetown%2C%20massachusetts%22~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1870-1900~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3AManuel~%20%2Bfather_surname%3ACaton~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3AFilomena~

 

If it does not work, go to

www.familysearch.org

Click on Search

In Names put just surname -  Caton

In Country put in United States

Birthplace put in Provincetown, Massachusetts (as this seems to be where the children were born)

Year Range - 1865-1905

Parents:  Father: Manuel Caton  Mother:  Philomena (do not check match all terms)

then click SEARCH

 

Records show Manuel came to US 1860 and Filomena in 1863.  So far I have not found their marriage record. Now searching for ship's records.

 

"E"

 

 

[Sam Koester]

No, I don’t believe Milpitas was in Washington Township but; I’m pretty sure Warm Springs was.

 

Sam in Calif.

[Shirley Allegre]

Okay thanks.          Shirley in CA

["E" Sharp]

1880 US Census

Name:	Manuel Caton
Event Type:	Census
Event Date:	1880
Event Place:	Provincetown, Barnstable, Massachusetts, United States
Gender:	Male
Age:	38
Marital Status:	Married
Occupation:	Sailor
Race (Original):	W
Ethnicity:	American
Relationship to Head of Household:	Self
Birthplace:	Azores
Birth Date:	1842
Spouse's Name:	Pheama Caton
Spouse's Birthplace:	Azores
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:	Azores
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:	Azores
Page:	280
Page Letter:	B
Entry Number:	81
Affiliate Film Number:	T9-0520
GS Film number:	1254520
Digital Folder Number:	004241686
Image Number:	00044
	Household	Gender	Age	Birthplace
Self	Manuel Caton	M	38	Azores
Wife	Pheama Caton	F	31	Azores
Daughter	Mary Caton	F	15	Massachusetts, United States
Son	Manuel Caton	M	10	Massachusetts, United States
Son	Joseph Caton	M	3	Massachusetts, United States
Other	Manuel Enos (boarder)	M	22	Azores                     "E"

["E" Sharp]

Sorry for numerous emails...but search is not so easy. Sure hope this is them???   This is it for while till I know I have the right family.............."E"

 

Name: Manuel Caton Event Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1840 Marriage Date: 19 Jan 1865 Marriage Place: Provincetown, Massachusetts Marriage Age: 25 Father Name: Frank Caton Spouse Name: Felimenia Constantina (or Constancia??) Spouse Marriage Age: 18 Spouse Father Name: Manuel Constantina Spouse Mother Name: Mary Louisa

[Tish M]

Shirley,

I don't know if you are interested but there is a free ebook on the internet on the History of Washington Township you might be interested in viewing.

History of Washington Township, Alameda County, California ...

Tish

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["E" Sharp]

One more before turning in:

 

• Name: Manuel Francis Caton
• Birth: 26 Dec 1839 in Pico, Azores
• Death: 24 Feb 1918 in Provincetown, Massachusetts  

Provincetown Advocate, 28 Feb 1918
Manuel Francis Caton died Sunday February 24th at his Bangs' street home, aged 78 years, 1 month and 29 days. He was born on the island of Pico, Azores, came to Provincetown at the age of 16 years and lived here thereafter. He married here Jan. 19, 1865, Philomena Constantino, who, with two daughters and one son survives him. Mr. Caton was occupied at fishing work until a comparatively recent date, since which time he was occupied in garden work and posing as an artist's model. He leaves a good record for industry.

[Susan Vargas Murphy]

Hello Rose,

Your name is familiar to me:) My family came from the Warm Springs area and I just recognize your name.....I think my aunt Anita Maciel DeValle mentioned you to me when we were talking about Mission San Jose people....she is deceased now. I grew up in Centerville but went to St Mary of the Palms in Mission San Jose. I feel like you were connected to the MSJ festas.....Do you know Velma Valencia?  She is not so well now, but she collected a lot of information on the MSJ Holy Ghosts.....I feel like I saw your name in her hand made book?  Also Harvey.....I remember there was an Adeline Harvey that was a hairdresser in MSJ or Irvington?  My parents were Isabel Maciel Vargas and Ernest Vargas.....lived in Centerville after WWII. My mom worked for Dr. Grimmer, Dr. McMahon and also Dr. Romito at various times as a receptionist. My mom was also very active in organizations....SPRSI, YLI, etc.  Does any of this ring a bell?  Just thought I would say hello.......I have lived in Sacramento for the last almost 50 years...so been away from Fremont.  If you want to chat you can email me at Uberl...@aol.com

Susan Vargas Murphy

On Saturday, July 13, 2013 12:17:29 PM UTC-7, rose.zb...@gmail.com wrote:

My great grandmother died in 1953, when I was 5, said name was Caton. Filomema Polycena. Said her parents were from Flores. Her mother was pregnant with her, one of 14?. Went to Mass., then Ashland area of Bay Area because other family/friends lived there. Somewhere around turn of the century, both parents died of possibly influenza. All children given to family and or friends. Great Grandma was give to friend of Father's who lived in Mission San Jose. Married eventually to Manuel Alvernaz  from Pico,changed name to Harvey. I don't know why, maybe sounded more "Americanized.I was blessed to have known her. She had 4 children, 2 dying in a terrible home fire when stove exploded., and My Grandmother, Helen Evelyn Alvernaz Harvey, died in 1970, and Clarence Harvey,died in the late 1980s.My Portuguese side has connections deeply in Mission San Jose.Family names, Caetano, Caton, Garcia, Andrade, and Harvey.Would appreciate any info, especially about Ashland years or those in Massachusetts. Also all very active in Holy Ghost Festas,Garcia from Castelo Blanco,Fayal.

[Robin Borba Besotes]

My 2nd great grandmother was:
Luisa Canhoto Jacinta

Born 1847 in Santa Cruz das, Flores, Azores

Death Jan 22 1879 in San Juan or Hollister, California

Her parents were:
Manuel Canhoto Jacinta

Mariana Julia da Gloria Rodrigues 1810 -

Her widower married Luisa's Niece:

Filomena Jacinto

Birth 21 Sep 1878 or 1862 in Flores, Azores, Portugal

Death 16 Aug 1952 in Contra Costa, CA 

Luisa, above came to Massachusetts as well, then onto San Juan, California. She married Daniel Francisco DeRosa (from Pico). They had two children.  She died a few months after giving birth to twins (one twin being my Great Grandmother).  Daniel married Luisa's niece Filomena.  They had five children between this marriage.

When I went to San Benito County, California to do research I too was told the family names on this line were:  Caetano, Garcia as well as Jacinto and Rodrigues.  All these name have panned out and were correct.  Some took on Caetano, some Jacinto, etc.

Feel free to email me at besotes (at) succeed.net.  I have met another genealogy person who is related on this line as well.  He's not on this group, or I'd introduce you to him.

All the best,
Robin Borba Besotes

On Saturday, July 13, 2013 12:17:29 PM UTC-7, rose.zb...@gmail.com wrote:

My great grandmother died in 1953, when I was 5, said name was Caton. Filomema Polycena. Said her parents were from Flores......

[rcapodc]

Susan,

 

You email me, your prima Rosemarie, instead of Rose who has family in Mission San Jose. I know you probably just clicked on the first “Rose” that came up on your list!

 

Prima, Rosemarie

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[eric edgar]

Rose, 

You can see here that she is still living in 1920 with her daughter and son in law in Provincetown. I'll look through my Flores data for her birth record.

Eric Edgar

[eric edgar]

Here's the Calfornia death index for her

HARVEY   MARY   POLCENA   1888   01   11     Fathers last- CATON   FEMALE   MA   ALAMEDA   1953   04   28      65   1298843 

 The 1900 census shows her Manuel F and Philomena F Caton in Provincetown. He's a fisherman. Mother shows 14 children born 4 living. Two daughters are in the household. 

We know that the father died in 1918, and the mother was alive in 1920, in the house with the other two daughters. 

I can't quite get how the Mary Policena can connect to the Caton family in Provincetown. Anyone?

Eric Edgar

[eric edgar]

If we look at the total information of the posts, then these are not the parents of Mary Policena Harvey. 

The Obit for Manuel Caton states that he leaves two daughters and a son.  Both of his daughters Carry and Josephine are accounted for on the 1920 census. 

This Caton family never left Barnstable county it seems from the arrival in the 1860s until ther parents deaths. 

 We need to rule them out and start over. 

Eric Edgar

[eric edgar]

Manuel A Harvey is shown on the 1900 census in Murray Twnshp, Alameda co, Ca  born May 1870 Portugal and immigrated in 1887.  He is single, an employee of the Remmillard Brick works in Pleasanton.

The marriage would be likely in Alameda county 1900-1904.

Eric Edgar

On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:23 PM, "E" Sharp <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[eric edgar]

Robin, 

Do these people connect to this Caetano family, or do you mean to start a new thread?

Eric Edgar

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[eric edgar]

I can't find anyone who could be Helen Evelyn Harvey or Alvernaz in California records. I do see her on the censuses up to 1940, married as Helen Garcia 

The image adds a little confusion. Both 1910 censuses, both on Mission San Jose Road. Top one Manuel A Harvey is 49 yrs, bottom one Manuel a Harvey is 37 yrs.

 Mary is 22, or Polcena is 21, both born California

Both have a Clarence 11 months or 1 years,

 both have a Helen, 5 years or 4 years

 The top one was taken April 15th, the bottom one was taken April 21rst. 

Did they move and get counted twice?

Are they different families . just coincidence?

Eric Edgar

On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:17 PM, <rose.zb...@gmail.com> wrote:

My great grandmother died in 1953, when I was 5, said name was Caton. Filomema Polycena. Said her parents were from Flores. Her mother was pregnant with her, one of 14?. Went to Mass., then Ashland area of Bay Area because other family/friends lived there. Somewhere around turn of the century, both parents died of possibly influenza. All children given to family and or friends. Great Grandma was give to friend of Father's who lived in Mission San Jose. Married eventually to Manuel Alvernaz  from Pico,changed name to Harvey. I don't know why, maybe sounded more "Americanized.I was blessed to have known her. She had 4 children, 2 dying in a terrible home fire when stove exploded., and My Grandmother, Helen Evelyn Alvernaz Harvey, died in 1970, and Clarence Harvey,died in the late 1980s.My Portuguese side has connections deeply in Mission San Jose.Family names, Caetano, Caton, Garcia, Andrade, and Harvey.Would appreciate any info, especially about Ashland years or those in Massachusetts. Also all very active in Holy Ghost Festas,Garcia from Castelo Blanco,Fayal.

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[Sam Koester]

Tish;  This is great.  Thanks for the heads up, Sam

[Cindy D]

I have Caetano from Lages, Flores in my maternal side, although haven't accumulated enough documentation to know exactly how it all connects.  I'm still floundering around with all the surname confusion.  My g-g-grandmother was Caetano according to my g-grandmother's birth record from Lages, Flores....heck, I thought Caetano was the name of a village. Learning more as I go along.   My g-grandmother came to New Bedford/Fairhaven when she was 15 in 1895, she lived and died in 1957 in Bristol County, Mass. 

 You can search the Flores church records online which is how I found my g-grandma's birth record.  I also found her parents marriage after studying a few Portuguese words to help me and using Bing's translator, I'm sure the administrators have the link they can post for you.

Cindy D

Out on the hot Kansas Prairie where being steamed means something else.

[eric edgar]

Caetano is a common given name and a common surname in Flores. There is no village of Caetano I've seen there. The link to Azores records online is:

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/

Without establishing her birthplace, then parents birthplace, the records are just a blind fishing expedition. 

Eric Edgar

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[John Vasconcelos]

The Parish church in Lomba, Flores (where my father was born) is Sao Caetano. I also have cousins from Lomba with the surname Caetano.

John Vasconcelos

[Lynn]

My earliest Azorean immigrant of Caton/Caetano name was Capt. Manuel (Emanuel) R. Caton to Provincetown, MA., B: 28 May 1862, Santa Maria Isl., Died/Lost at Sea with his whole crew @ Dec/Jan 1918 off Florida coast.  He married Ida Silva/Silver, a daughter of Captain Joseph Silva and Rosa Bernardo Silva. He was known as the "Strong man of Provincetown" for supposedly dragging a 400+ pound piece of iron from a P-town shore to his home. They had 8 children born and at least 4 died before age 5. Those who made it to adulthood were: William, Frank Fish, Emma F. and maybe Rosa (unproven).  

There were at least 2 other Caton men who made their homes in P-town around the same time. John, the gardener, is said to have worked for the artist Charles Webster Hawthorne's property, and the records the artist kept still exist. His granddaughter have them - mentioning John Caton as sitting for her grandfather as a general model, probably mostly when weather would not allow John to do his garden chores. The other man was also named Manuel, and I think this is the one who is your direct. I am very interested in learning more about these three Caton men of P-town, as I suspect they were related somehow. An interesting sidenote:  Your "Alverez" sounds a bit like my 3x's great grandmother's name of "Alves," but I suppose they are entirely different names - like Johnson and Johnston?  Some Caton's are still in the Cape Cod area, and my research with them is going slowly.  I live in Arizona. 

Lynn Wilson Pritchett

Azorean heritage:  Caton/Caetano, Alvez/Alves, Cabral, Silva, Rodrigues, Luz/Luiz/Luis

On Saturday, July 13, 2013 12:17:29 PM UTC-7, rose.zb...@gmail.com wrote:

My great grandmother died in 1953, when I was 5, said name was Caton. Filomema Polycena. Said her parents were from Flores. Her mother was pregnant with her, one of 14?. Went to Mass., then Ashland area of Bay Area because other family/friends lived there. Somewhere around turn of the century, both parents died of possibly influenza. All children given to family and or friends. Great Grandma was give to friend of Father's who lived in Mission San Jose. Married eventually to Manuel Alvernaz  from Pico,changed name to Harvey. I don't know why, maybe sounded more "Americanized.I was blessed to have known her. She had 4 children, 2 dying in a terrible home fire when stove exploded., and My Grandmother, Helen Evelyn Alvernaz Harvey, died in 1970, and Clarence Harvey,died in the late 1980s.My Portuguese side has connections deeply in Mission San Jose.Family names, Caetano, Caton, Garcia, Andrade, and Harvey.Would appreciate any info, especially about Ashland years or those in Massachusetts. Also all very active in Holy Ghost Festas,Garcia from Castelo Blanco,Fayal.

On Saturday, July 13, 2013 12:17:29 PM UTC-7, rose.zb...@gmail.com wrote:

My great grandmother died in 1953, when I was 5, said name was Caton. Filomema Polycena. Said her parents were from Flores. Her mother was pregnant with her, one of 14?. Went to Mass., then Ashland area of Bay Area because other family/friends lived there. Somewhere around turn of the century, both parents died of possibly influenza. All children given to family and or friends. Great Grandma was give to friend of Father's who lived in Mission San Jose. Married eventually to Manuel Alvernaz  from Pico,changed name to Harvey. I don't know why, maybe sounded more "Americanized.I was blessed to have known her. She had 4 children, 2 dying in a terrible home fire when stove exploded., and My Grandmother, Helen Evelyn Alvernaz Harvey, died in 1970, and Clarence Harvey,died in the late 1980s.My Portuguese side has connections deeply in Mission San Jose.Family names, Caetano, Caton, Garcia, Andrade, and Harvey.Would appreciate any info, especially about Ashland years or those in Massachusetts. Also all very active in Holy Ghost Festas,Garcia from Castelo Blanco,Fayal.

[Robin Borba Besotes]

Hello Eric,

I'm not sure yet.  Need more information from the OP to see if we have a connection. 
Could be as they both come from Flores and are descendants of Caetano, Garcia and
Jacinto's settling in Massachusetts before coming to Northern California. 

Eric, this is the line you and I spoke about before (DeRosa).   The person you emailed me
about a while back - his 2nd or 3rd Great Grandmother Philomena was Luisa's Niece.
Luisa is my 2nd Great Grandmother.  Your person and I share the same 2nd or 3rd Great Grandfather. 
Both of these women (the Aunt and Niece) were married to the same man.

Did you find a connection to the OP of this thread by chance?

~Robin Borba Besotes

On Monday, July 15, 2013 3:14:29 PM UTC-7, luiznoia wrote:

Robin, 

Do these people connect to this Caetano family, or do you mean to start a new thread?

Eric Edgar

On Saturday, July 13, 2013 12:17:29 PM UTC-7, rose.zb...@gmail.com wrote:

[eric edgar]

I don't know what an OP is.

Eric Edgar

["E" Sharp]

Cheri, Eric, others

 

Did the person who we did this research for ever respond to any of you????  Me, no.

 

"E"

[Robin Borba Besotes]

LOL  OP = Original Post(er)

[eric edgar]

No, I've had no response on this from the original poster, 

ERic Edgar

["E" Sharp]

Would be nice to know that the hours we spent researching for him/her were of some use.

 

"E"

[pi...@dholmes.com]

Unfortunately, as you well know, this sometimes happens.

You two are probably the most helpful to new members and people might not realize how much time it takes to do all that research. They can take it for granted.

These days, it's it not so uncommon for people to get their ancestry handed to them on a silver platter, with websites like Neps and the fact we all have so many distant relatives we find.

Twenty years ago, such things were rare.

I suppose there is always the chance it also helped others who will find your research valuable in the future.

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618

www.dholmes.com

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: caton or caetano to ashland area,
bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

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[Elizabeth Migliori]

I have s friend that wants to start to research is family.  They are Filipino and live in Sacramento so I need to get the address of the Family History Library there in Sacramento to guide them to. 

If someone could send me that info I would be greatly appreciative.

Liz

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[Sam Koester]

Liz, Here you go:  Address: 2745 Eastern Avenue, Sacramento, California 95815

§  The Sacramento Family History Center is located on the west side of Eastern Avenue behind the LDS Sacramento East Stake Center.

Sam in Calif

§   

[pi...@dholmes.com]

It's on Eastern Ave, near Marconi in Carmichael.

But these days, there isn't so much reason to go there to do research. That depends on location, of course.

I still have some films from Chile there, I hope, and need to look at them again.

You can have them call me, too.

But if they don't have Portuguese ancestry, then maybe someone at the Family History library there can guide them. I think there might also be an online guide for other nationalities from the LDS website.

[Liz Migliori]

Thx much. No Portuguese roots

Sent from my iPhone

[rose.zb...@gmail.com]

I just read your post. From the bottom of my soul and heart, thank you. Are you related? Again, with gratitude and blessings,Rose.

On Saturday, July 13, 2013 12:17:29 PM UTC-7, rose.zb...@gmail.com wrote:

[rose.zb...@gmail.com]

I just found this info,just learning computers. I am so grateful to all of you. Blessings and Gratitude.

[E. Sharp]

Rose

Thank you for the response. We are just wondering if any/all of the info those if us who did the research was your family or not. Learning computers and genealogy ar the same time is a huge task. Just let us know if you have any specific questions on the research.

"E"

Sent from my iPhone

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