Emigration from Azores to Australia

[JR]

I am aware of the mass migrations of emigrants from Azores to Brazil and USA, and to lesser extent other places. Does anyone know if there was migration to Australia and when?  

JR

[Cheri Mello]

JR,

Yes.  Ask Christine Macedo.  She's on this list.

Cheri

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JR

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[A Faria]

Hi JR,

There was no mass migration from the Azores to Australia although a few Whalers jumped ship in the 1800's and I believe some Azorean immigrants to Hawaii moved to Australia.. Mass migration from the

Azores I am only aware of Brazil, United States, Hawaii before it became a state in 1959, Canada and Bermuda.

I think some of the Portuguese immigrants to Australia were Madeiran immigrants that moved from South Africa but Madeira is a separate island chain.

A.Faria

[JR]

Sometime the stories we get handed down are not always 100% accurate, but have some substance. I am looking for Jose de Sousa Dourado, native of Ponta Garca, that may have travelled abroad for work, possibly in 1853 and 1863, when his baptism shows that he was issued two certificates. I was and still am questioning the story that he went to Australia, but perhaps he went to Brazil. I am told he never married and had a sister by the name of Jacinta. There are many Jose's and Jacinta' born to families with the Sousa/Dourado name. This is why I can't link him to any family. Since he never married and this one certificate showed up with two certifications, I think this might be him.

JR

[Marilyn Thompson]

Are there records for Emigration from Azores to Australia? Sorry I am
coming in on this post a little late. I just realized that I was
supposed to have had a great uncle that went to Australia from the
Azores.

He was born on Sao Jorge. I will have to look up his information

Marilyn

[JR]

I just looked, the passport records begin 1875. But they must have lost some because the numbered index begins at 247.Even so, that would only be a couple more years at most.

JR

[A Faria]

Marilyn,

I can't find any good links regarding the Portuguese in Australia in English or immigration records. The current Portuguese population in Australia is 55,000 it is heavily Madeiran and the Madeirans are

recorded as the first wave of Portuguese immigrants to Australia. Although clearly some Azoreans immigrated to Australia they were in the minority, I know some went there I have some Family Finder

matches there.


 A.Faria

[cmurray56]

Hi JR . 

 There was a ship called 'The Water Lily"  that departed the Azores  for Victoria Australia in the 1800's. 

 Many of the people from the Azores went hunting for gold in the gold rush in Victoria Australia. I am a decendant of one.

  My GGG Grandfather came from the Azores to Australia and lived in the Ballarat region of Victoria.  He did not come on the Water Lily and im still searching for details of his arrival. I have his Australia marriage cert but no entry details.

 Maria Lima who is a member of this group , did have relations on the Water Lily and she kindly gave me a copy of the ships list.  I will post it as soon as I can find it,  with the hope that you may find a name on it of your ancestor.   Mariam Lima's ancestors lived in the region of Creswick and where miners,  they have their graves there and are registered.  If you can give me details of youre ancestor , I will go to the library and check the records to see if there are any for him.

Best Wishes

Chris  

On Sunday, October 26, 2014 2:42:53 PM UTC+11, JR wrote:

[Robyn Horan]

Hi JR

Some time ago Eliseu Manuel Pacheco da Silva posted this -

List of Azorean participants in an expedition to New Holland (Australia) to look for Gold.

They left S. Miguel in 28 July 1853 aboard the English boat “Water Lily”. The trip took 108 days. They arrived on the 13th November. The expedition landed in Geelong, main port of Por-Philip, a town as big as Ponta Delgada in the 19th century. Then they took a ship to Melbourn and from there they went to Fores Crick mines.

The adventure was not profitable for them. The investors had a very big loss.

João de Sousa Dourado, from Ponta Graça, was one of the feww who profited from. For a long period of time he received interest on the money he invested there.

Jacinto António dos Reis married there and succeded in Melbourn. They were a well knownand very considered family there.

Commander and ship owner was  Mr. John Busk (he had his wife and little daughter on board).

Crew members:

-          William Percey Notprued Luck - Squire Midshipman, son of an English millionaire


-          2 pilots, one English, another American, a master Cook and 7 sailors

Passengers were:

From Faial da Terra:

-          Joaquim Pereira

-           Francisco Pereira

-           João de Freitas

-           José de Freitas

-          José Raposo Cipriano

-           José Nogueira

From Povoação:

-           Manuel Carreiro

From Ponta Garça:

-          Jacinto Carreiro (sailor)

-          João de Sousa (sailor)

-          Francisco Estrela

-          José de Sousa Dourado (It appears to be the only one who did well in the expedition)

From Ribeira das Taínhas:

-          André

-          Miguel  Furtado

From Ribeira Seca , Vila Franca do Campo:

-          Francisco de Andrade

-          Manuel Furtado

-          António Furtado

-          José Furtado

-          Manuel de Amaral

From Vila Franca do Campo:

-          José Furtado

-          António de Hilário

-          mestre Mariano de Sousa (nickname: batata), (today the word mestre is used to designate a  man who is a knower of his art; also means a mason)

-          mestre José de Oliveira

-          António de Sales

-          mestre  João da Estrela

-          João Correia

From Água d’Alto:

-          mestre Felício Botelho

-          Francisco Botelho (nickname: pataca)

-          Francisco Furtado

From Porto Formoso:

-          Manuel Bento

From Ponta Delgada:

-          João Gomes, mestre canteiro (mason who worked/carving  the stone)

-          Manuel José (nickname:bispo)

-          mestre Manuel Dias

-          António de Freitas

-          António José de Lima

-          José de Lima

From Capelas:

-          Manuel Raposo

From S. Vicente:

-          Inácio de Viveiros

-          Nicolau da Câmara

-          Manuel Vicente

From Arrifes:

-          Bento Ferreira

-          José da Câmara

From S. Jorge :


-          Manuel de Amarante

 From Lagoa:


-          João José Tavares

-          Francisco José Tavares

-          António José Tavares

-          FrancIsco Inácio Botelho Âmbar

Passengers who have paid the ticket: (Because of the names, I can say some of them belonged to the whealthy/noble  families of Ponta Delgada)

-          João Francisco Gomes, (brother of the expedition doctor)

-          Jose Manuel Gomes, expedition doctor

-          Jacinto António dos Reis

-          João Lourenço

-          Simplício Gago da Câmara

-          Diniz Gago da Câmara (brother of the above, partner in the investment with his brother )

-          José de Arruda Botelho

-          Nicolau de Arruda

-          António Borges da Câmara Medeiros

-          Victorino Augusto Soares

-          João Jacinto Borges

-          Jacinto José de Lima,

-          J. Girard, french, interpreter

-          Frederico or Henrique José de Sampaio, bookeeper, clerck .

4 women were amongst the passengers but no names…

Cheers

Robyn

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[JR]

Well thank you very much! How do you want me to send the info. I can post or send it privately. 

This is a connection to my wife's family. It seems her grandfather was related to the Sousa Dourado's through his grandparents, and inherited property from them. There are at least two by the name of Joao de Sousa Dourado and they all Sousa Dourados descend from the same family. If you don't already know Dourado means gold. So for me this now becomes a mining expedition, just like the people who went to Australia. I have to determine when they adopted the name Dourado, as this seems too good to be true. All the Sousa Dourado's originate from Porto Formoso and settled in Ponta Garca by 1800. I know Eliseu has a close connection with Porto Formoso.

The story is that one Jose de Sousa Dourado went to Australia to work and returned wealthy. I will try to get more details to see if it could have have been Joao. This Jose had a sister named Jacinta with same last name. They were godparents to many of my wife's ancestors. Since neither Jose or his sister married, it was my wife's grandfather that looked after them when they were older. Jose has two certifications noted on his birth registry, usually issued for passport or other events. Certified- May 12- 1853 and April 8, 1862 

Does this help? Let me know what kind of info you need.

JR

[Cheri Mello]

JR,

Regarding the Sao Miguel passaportes....I know that some of the missing ones were NOT missing in the 1980s, when Bob De Mello did his passengers to Hawaii book.  He extracted passengers from the 1890s and that book is missing.  Also, Roberta Ingram sent me a link for passengers who left Sao Miguel in the late 1770s, some 1800s and went to Brazil.  Someone had those books and extracted the information from them.  And probably forgot to return them.  I hope someone finds them one day and returns those books to the archive. They have more information in then to other locations that weren't extracted.

Didn't a few of the Azoreans wander over to New Zealand as well? Probably from Australia?

[A Faria]

Cheri,

Looks like initially a few Whalers made their way there but not many.

http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/1966/whaling-in-new-zealand-waters-1791-1963/page-5


 This link states that in  2010 650 people in New Zealand claimed Portuguese ancestry 195 of those were born in Portugal.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_New_Zealander

A.Faria

[Cheri Mello]

Repost for Christine Macedo Lee, gandclee at bigpond.com

Most of the Azores Emigrants in the 1800s came to Australia looking for gold and went to the goldfield in Victoria or Kalgoolie in Western Australia. There are lists of the people who came to the goldfields and I can find them but it will take a while I.m leaving in a 1 hour to go for a week’s break. When I get back I can find if the local family history Centre on the Gold Coast has copies of the lists, they have an extensive micro fiche library.  My great grandfather Jose de Andrade de Macedo came to Australia about 1860 and might have come on the Waterlily . I will have to look up my Argentinian Aunts letters when I get back. The gold rushes were almost finishing by the time my g grandfather got here and then he went on to New Zealand. He married in N.Z then went to Argentina leaving his son in N.Z.  hence I was born in N.Z. but now live in Aus. I know from my aunt that we have relatives in Sao Miguel but haven’t had time to research it. There are certainly a number of Sousas in the family. I’ll be in touch when I get back and if someone else hasn’t helped you I’ll see what i can find out for you.

 

Christine Macedo  

[A Faria]

Interesting that your contact is Christine Macedo her uncle and I believe either cousins or brothers  are my family finder matches and her Macedo line traces to Candelaria, Pico.

[Maria Lima]

Wow!  I am amazed to learn my husbands gr gr grandfather went in the Water Lily as part of an EXPEDITION  to Australia.  I always wondered how he and his 2 sons and his brother in law and many other azoreans left the Azores to go to the Goldfields. I wondered how all that came about because it had to cost big bucks to be outfitted to go to the goldfields in Australia.   How can I get more information?  

For years I've researched  Antonio Jose de Lima and his two sons who were on that ship, the Water Lily.  The sons names were Jacinto Jose de  Lima and Jose Jacinto de Lima.  Antonio's friend named Jacinto Jose Borges was also on the ship.  He was the godfather to the two sons of Antonio and was actually his brother in law (married Antonio's wife's sister, Francisca.  

I searched the Creswick and Clunes Register in Australia  and found the 2 "boys" listed many times mostly for court cases.  I searched for the names JJ DE LIMA.  There they were.   The minors took each other to court for anything little thing.    I sent away to Public Records Office Victoria and received copies of each article where they were mentioned.  This gave me a lot of insight into their lives, comings and goings.   I received a lot of help from people on the Rootsweb Goldfields List.  

I learned the Two sons became partners in the Humbug Hill Sluicing Company there in Victoria.  One of them (Jacinto) married an English girl named  Charlotte Staley but she died within 10 months of the marriage.  I received  a photo of her grave stone where his name is mentioned.  Charlotte owned a fruit store there on Albert Street and I have an advertisement where Jacinto was selling the store and their furnishings from their upstairs apartment after she died because he was returning to the Azores.

According to our  family stories, they did make money and I believe they became property owners there in Ponta Delgada.  After Jacinto returned to the Azores, he married his cousin/niece, Maria Adelaide Da Silva but then  HE DIED WITHIN 3 months of that marriage.  He sired a son who was given the exact name as his father.  Fast forward many years later when I was cleaning out my mother in law's house upon her death- and I found a 32 page autobiography of Jacinto (the son)  where he described his disappointment in that his father died and he was not introduced to society as might have been had he lived.  His mother remarried a man whom  he abhorred and wouldn't mention it and according to family story, the stepfather squandered the money.    He was also very hurt that his mother sold all the properties that were his inheritance.  

I have photos of the mother  and her sisters and one could see from their clothing and hair styles and jewelry that they had some wealth.  

I've wondered many times about how they were able to go to Australia and set up business and become part owners in the Sluicing company.  One of the articles does mentions a Jacinto Dos Reis.  

I would like to know more about how the expedition came about; how it was financed.  They travelled to Australia as "Unassisted" passengers, meaning they paid their own passage.  

Thank you for posting about the expedition and the ship and the names.  Any information would be so welcomed.  

Maria Elena 

[Maria Lima]

Here's link to a page with passengers on the Water Lily to Australia. ( I know for a fact they lied about their ages because the age of the two JJ DE LIMA's- I have their birth record and they said they were older than they were. )

http://prov.vic.gov.au/search_results?searchid=23&format=freetext&FamilyName=&GivenName=&Ship=Water+lily&Month=0&Monthto=0&Year=0&Yearto=0&SearchSortField1=&SearchSortField2=&SearchRecords=50&x=31&y=21

Maria Elena 

On Oct 25, 2014, at 10:42 PM, JR <jmr...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am aware of the mass migrations of emigrants from Azores to Brazil and USA, and to lesser extent other places. Does anyone know if there was migration to Australia and when?  

JR

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[Maria Lima]

JR:

Sorry- the other link I sent had the first 50 names- here's a LINK  with all the names

http://prov.vic.gov.au/search_results?searchid=23&format=freetext&FamilyName=&GivenName=&Ship=Water+lily&Month=0&Monthto=0&Year=0&Yearto=0&SearchSortField1=&SearchSortField2=&SearchRecords=4000&x=27&y=13

Maria Elena 

On Oct 25, 2014, at 10:42 PM, JR <jmr...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am aware of the mass migrations of emigrants from Azores to Brazil and USA, and to lesser extent other places. Does anyone know if there was migration to Australia and when?  

JR

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[cmurray56]

Hi Maria ,  so good to see you are still working on the family,   long time since you sent me the Water Lily passenger list ,  take care

Best Wishes

Chris

[JR]

Thank you Maria, Chris , Robyn, Cheri and Eliseu for the very interesting information. To be clear the people that went to Australia are not my ancestors or my wife's. We have a side connection to Jose and Joao de Sousa Dourado. So, according to the information received to date, Jose de Sousa Dourado is the only one that profited from this specific venture. He either returned in April 8, 1862- the year of the second certification, or he ventured out again. Jose never married and lived with his sister Jacinta in Ponta Garca. My wife's grandfather looked after them when they got older and came into some inheritance.

Jose de Sousa Dourado was born in Ponta Garca, Concelho of Vila Franca do Campo, 18 Sep 1828;

Joao de Sousa Dourado, brother, and co-venturer of said Jose was born same place, 22 Sep 1832;

Jacinta de Sousa Dourado, sister of said two, was born same place, 14 Jun 1841.

They are children of Antonio de Sousa Dourado and Vitoria Felicia married in Ponta Garca 12 Jul 1824. Said Antonio was born in Porto Formoso abt 1798 (if I recall correctly the records are poor condition in the 1798 period) and is the son of Jose de Sousa Dourado and Francisca Inacia de Jesus. They settled in Ponta Garca where Vitoria Inacia if from. 

Maria Elena, there are many Limas in Ponta Garca and Vila Franca, where are yours from?

JR

[chris murray]

Hi JR,  I have checked the Water Lily passenger list , it docked in Geelong Victoria Australia 1853.   There are 5   ' J De Sousa" people on the the list , there is no Dourado on the list .  

I will search  the Australian achives for  :   Jose de Sousa Dourado  b Ponta Garca Azores, possible arrival  in Australia  1853  ,  with a few years either side of that date.  

It may take me about a week but I will get back to you as soon as possible with any details I find of arrival and departure

Best Wishes

Chris

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[Maria Lima]

Chris- yr email made me smile- yes we still searching and isn't it amazing- all of a sudden there's more answers jeep coming.  From  Eliseu's email I learned it was an expedition!  I have to look at the names I've found since I was searching the de lima's because I since have found Furtado's and that name is on the list.  Also need to go to newspaper articles and see what it says about Antonio dosReis because he's linked in with the2 JJ DE LIMA's. This us the stuff for a big movie like the old movie Hawaii- or Roots!!

Take care my friend and kindred in Australia:)

Sent from my iPhone

[Kathy Cardoza]

A Faria…..

Christine and I are related by that line. Her great grandfather and mine were brothers. My guy, Joao Andrade Macedo, immigrated to California and never left. Her great grandfather, Jose Andrade Macedo, went to Australia and New Zealand. Interestingly, I don’t see you as a match on my Family Finder…...

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In a message dated 10/27/2014 6:43:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, antoni...@gmail.com writes:

Interesting that your contact is Christine Macedo her uncle and I believe either cousins or brothers  are my family finder matches and her Macedo line traces to Candelaria, Pico.

On Monday, October 27, 2014 10:32:42 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:

Repost for Christine Macedo Lee, gandclee at bigpond.com

Most of the Azores Emigrants in the 1800s came to Australia looking for gold and went to the goldfield in Victoria or Kalgoolie in Western Australia. There are lists of the people who came to the goldfields and I can find them but it will take a while I.m leaving in a 1 hour to go for a week’s break. When I get back I can find if the local family history Centre on the Gold Coast has copies of the lists, they have an extensive micro fiche library.  My great grandfather Jose de Andrade de Macedo came to Australia about 1860 and might have come on the Waterlily . I will have to look up my Argentinian Aunts letters when I get back. The gold rushes were almost finishing by the time my g grandfather got here and then he went on to New Zealand. He married in N.Z then went to Argentina leaving his son in N.Z.  hence I was born in N.Z. but now live in Aus. I know from my aunt that we have relatives in Sao Miguel but haven’t had time to research it. There are certainly a number of Sousas in the family. I’ll be in touch when I get back and if someone else hasn’t helped you I’ll see what i can find out for you.

 

Christine Macedo  

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Yes, indeed.  I am also related to Christine Macedo!

[cmurray56]

 Hi JR   ,  I have one answer from the Ancestry boards and im posting it for you,  maybe it will help, I cant confirm it is youre Jose.

Best Wishes

Chris. 

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Jose de Sousa Dourado cmurray56 (View posts) Posted: 28 Oct 2014 10:28PM Classification: Query Surnames: help needed please for the following person, I am trying to help a person trace his ancestors trail in Victoria Australia. I have very little information on the person we are looking for but anything at all we would be gratefull for. the man we are looking for came from the Azores Isles in Portugal to Victoria approx. 1853. He was a miner then returned to the Azores. JOES de SOUSA DOURADO b Ponta Garca Azores Islands Portugal overseas from Portugal approx. 1853 - 1863. Thankyou Chris

Re: Jose de Sousa Dourado jackiecallinan (View posts) Posted: 28 Oct 2014 11:59PM Classification: Query Surnames: Could this be his return? No further detail - this from Outward Victorian Shipping from Public Records Victoria. Family Name Given Name Age Ship Name Month Year Destination Film_Mth Film_Yr Page DOURADO JOSEDES 30 GREAT BRITAIN JUL 1873 LIVERPOOL JUL 1873 006

[cmurray56]

Hi Maria, so pleased to hear from you .  Im still looking for my Francisco,  I wish he would appear on a ship.   This would really make a great movie

Best Wishes take care my friend

Chris

[A Faria]

Kathy,

There is a Kathleen Maria Cardoza on my family finder is that you? If so we match a total of 41CM longest block 8CM which likely means we share quite a few lines distantly.

A.Faria

[Kathy Cardoza]

Antonio

Yes, that’s me ….. I didn’t look far enough, I guess.

Kathy

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