Velas marriage Manuel Avila and Anna dos Anjos

[climb...@gmail.com]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860_item1/P162.html

Hi.  My cousin asked me to post this.  She needs a basic translation of it.  Specifically if it talks about the couple needing  a dispensation and why.

It takes up both pages of the book.

Thank you.

Suzanne

[Cheri Mello]

Suzanne,

People got dispensations because they were related up to 3rd cousins.

Consanguinity (consanguinidade) = related by blood, i.e.,  marrying your cousin

Affinity (affindade) = related by marriage, i.e., marrying your sister-in-law.

To find out exactly why, you'd need to get the dispensation, if it exists.  Many do exist and they are held in Angra (does not matter which island the marriage occured on).

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Suzanne,
 
Is this your cousins ancestor and if so has she taken the Family Finder test?
 
Manuel Teixeira de Avila is my 4th ggrandfather. I descend by his first marriage to Maria de Jesus (she was a Bettencourt). Manuel is my most interesting ancestor thus far. His father was Jose Antonio da Silveira and his mother was Maria de Jesus ( daughter of Manuel de Avila Teixeira.) He was given his maternal grandfathers name. He and Maria de Jesus had quite a few children (would need to look for #)...they married when he was 26 and she was 19.
 
He married Anna dos Anjos, his 2nd wife when he was 84 and she was 36. They had their first child (Maria) out of wedlock Nov 2 1853....CCA Velas baptisms 1845-1857, pg 0206.....they married in Dec. 1854, he died Sept 17th, 1855, CCA record, Velas obits, 1826-1855, pg 295, 1 month before their 2nd child, Maria Santa was born...CCA record, pg.256.
 
I've gleaned what I can from the various records but would also appreciate translation of your record by more fluent speakers.....I don't know the connection between he and Anna but feel like there may have been one.
 
He was from Beira but one of the records seemed to indicate that Anna dos Anjos was from Nossa Senhora do Rosario which is in Topo.....not sure.
 
From Manuel and Maria de Jesus I descend from their daughter, Isabel de Jesus married to Antonio Jose de Sousa Pereira, from their son, Jose de Sousa Pereira Mancebo....who left Velas on a whaler in 1853 and ended up in New Bedford in 1865.
 
Any insights into the records would be appreciated.
 
Best regards,
Nancy Jean Baptista
 
Sao Jorge, Pico and Santa Maria
 
 
 
 
 

 

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 16:43:45 -0700
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[climb...@gmail.com]

Yes Nancy,  it is my cousin's people.  Her name is Marlene Teixeira Gregorio (married last name).   She will be thrilled to learn she has another cousin.  I will see what I can find out.

Thanks.

[climb...@gmail.com]

Ok,   I have a correction.  You and she are directly related.  Manoel d'Avila Teixeira is her 3rd great-grandfather and Maria de Jesus is her 3rd great-grandmother.   Their son Joao Teixeira da Avila married Maria Josepha Coracao de Jesus.  They had a son Manuel Teixeira d'Avila  who married Maria Luiza Silveira.  They had a daughter Maria Teixeira Avila who married Joao Rapinha Silva (from Ribeirinha, Pico).  They had a daughter named Myrtle Silva  who was Marlene's mother.  (phew).

To go a little further back for you---Manoel d'Avila Teixiera's father's father is Manoel Machado Fagundes who married Joanna Baptista on 16 Feb 1732 Beira.  If you have that info, then you must have their parents, etc.

No she has not taken the Family Finder test.  She might do it, but hasn't decided.

If you would like to contact Marlene, message me privately, and she has given me permission to give you her email address.

Suzanne

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Suzanne,
 
Is Marlene a group member....I have a memory of emailing with a Marlene Teixeira around 2007 or so and at the time we thought we might be cousins because of the Sao Jorge Teixeira connection.
 
It would be great if she took the family finder because I have so many new cousins with Sao Jorge ancestry and perhaps we could figure out if any of them were also this line. Regardless, I'm happy to know we descend from brothers of Manuel and Maria. Also, wonder if she has any one behind Manuel Machado Fagundes and Joanna Baptista...they're the farthest back I have found.
 
I post to the group in hopes that someone else may have any of these couples.....in my 9 pages of Family Finder cousins MANY of them are Sao Jorge.
 
Would enjoy "meeting" a new cousin....please give her my email or send me hers if that's better for her.
 
Thank you for your help!
Nancy Jean
 

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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 15:57:27 -0700
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velas marriage Manuel Avila and Anna dos Anjos

[climb...@gmail.com]

Yes she does.   Here it is: Manoel Machado Fagundes (husband of Joanna) son of Manoel Machado Fagundes and Barbara Cardoza who married probably at Velas before 1701.

Joanna Baptista (wife of Manoel Machado Fagundes)  daughter of Manoel Pereira d'Oliveira and Izabel Teixeira (deceased before Feb 1732).

Maria de Jesus (wife of Joze Antonio da Silveira)  daughter of Manoel d'Avila Teixeira and Beatriz Maria (deceased bef 1773)

Maria de Jesus (wife of Manoel d'Avila Teixeira b: abt 1774) daughter of Francisco Teixeira Gomes and Francisca de Jesus.
Francisco and Francisca married 9 Feb 1777 at Beira, Velas.
Francisco Teixiera Gomes son of Antonio Luis Gomes and Catharina d'Sousa (dec: bef 1777)
Francisca daughter of George de Quadros/Coadros and Phelipa Teixeira (dec before 9 Feb 1777)

This is all I could find, though I have not conducted a really thorough search.

I will pass on your email to her.

Suzanne

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thanks Suzanne,
 
Takes me back another generation.....I need to continue working on this maternal side.
 
Look forward to hearing from Marlene.
 
Best to you,
Nancy Jean
 

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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 22:52:26 -0700

[Shirley Allegre]

DOMarriage 14 December 1854

Matriz of Sao Jorge, village of Vellas

impedements  1st degree (consanguinidade)  {I think they were first cousins.}

Manoel de Avila Teixeira, WIDOWER of Maria de Jesus.  (He) native of this Matriz

SPOUSE

Anna dos Anjos, daughter of

(Jose Borges, deceased X Maria Santa)  (She) native Nossa Senhora Rosario, place of Rosais.

Something else happened 6 February 1855.

 

This is the best that I can figure out.  Hope that someone else will chime in with more info.

 

Shirley in CA

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[mnk]

The impediment is first degree affinity. Maybe she was his daughter-in-law or step-Daughter.
MNK

[nancy jean baptiste]

I seem to remember 1st degree is "niece or nephew"......is that correct? Thanks for help.....could someone confirm that she's from Topo?

 

Thank you,

Nancy Jean
 

> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:36:21 -0700
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> The impediment is first degree affinity. Maybe she was his daughter-in-law or step-Daughter.
> MNK
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[pi...@dholmes.com]

Hello Maria Natalia,

Apparently this gives a lot of confusion.

In this instance, the groom was a widower and is said to be related in the 1st degree of afinidade.

To understand that, one must realize being related in the 1st degree is like two siblings. So of course, these people are not siblings. What they must be are siblings by marriage. The groom is marrying his sister-in-law.

His two wives are the siblings by consanguinidade.

It happens to be almost the exact scenario of my latest article that came out this week in O Progresso.

www.sacramentophcs.com

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618

www.dholmes.com

[Sme]

No,  she is from Rosais  (Rozaes), which is a village a little over from Beira.

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[Mary Bordi]

On Friday, June 6, 2014, nancy jean baptiste <fishso...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for help.....could someone confirm that she's from Topo?

Shirley translated above that she is from Rosais. I have not looked at the record myself but I do know that the churches in both Rosais and Topo are Nossa Senhora do Rosario. 

Mary

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thanks everyone for the help.......now to figure out how they're related!
 
Nancy Jean
 

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